The true violent ones
The second season of Showtime’s Masters of Horror series has just been released on DVD and includes an episode by John Carpenter called “Pro-Life.”
“Pro-Life” has a plot that is both stereotypical and old (“Rosemary’s Baby,” anyone?), what one would expect from MSM, particularly Carpenter, who directed the first slasher film of them all, “Halloween.” “Pro-Life” is about “a young girl who is raped and impregnated by a demon and wants to have an abortion, but her efforts are halted by her fanatic, gun-toting father and her three brothers,” says Wikipedia. You can view trailers here (must click on “Pro-Life”). The ultrasound scene is amusing.
But we live in opposite world. If you knew nothing except a group opposed an industry that made its living aborting babies, from which would you logically expect the violence to erupt during protests?
(See video of pro-abortion violence on page 2.)
And so it is. In actuality, the pro-life movement is the most peaceful social movement in history. On every day of the week there are likely hundreds of peaceful pro-life prayer vigils or protests outside of abortion mills… hundreds of thousands over the years.
People calling themselves pro-life have murdered seven abortion industry workers in the past 34 years, but as AbortionViolence.com reminds us, “[A]ccording to the United States government, more janitors, bartenders, secretaries, hairdressers and cosmetologists have been killed on the job than abortionists.”
Meanwhile, Human Life International has documented more than 7000 acts of violence and illegal activities by pro-abortionists, aside from the 50,000,000 babies they have killed. These include::
880 homicides and other killings
86 attempted murders
23 arsons and bombings
787 assaults
1,798 sex crimes (including 169 rapes)
59 kidnappings
420 cases of vandalism
270 drug-related crimes
1,577 medical crimes
And, of course, it all stands to reason. Here is an example of the violence pro-aborts continually mete out. Warning: explicit language.
I was part of a similar incident when a worker at Lutheran General Hospital in Park Ridge, IL, tore through our group, ripping signs out of our hands, mine included, and threw them on the slushy street. And I have written just a tad about the sexual abuse abortionists commit.
Mark Crutcher’s chilling book, Lime 5, also documents the pro-abortion violence.
Joel Belz of World magazine made an astute point in the March 24/31 issue. In a column about global warming entitled, “Protesting too much,” Belz could just as esily inserted the words “abortion propoents” for “global-warming folks” when he said this:
Seems to me the global-warming folks just keep hurting their own case, and weakening their own argument, with two silly tactical mistakes. The first is that they exaggerate their evidence. The second is that they bully their opponents. Both tend to be signals that they aren’t as sure of themselves as they’d like you to think they are….
Is your argument a little weak on facts? Well, don’t worry. Just exaggerate the facts you’ve got, and raise your voice a little.
And so have pro-aborts all these years… and their fists… and their weapons…
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
As a supposed “pro-abort” (which I’m not) I have never raised a fist or a weapon at any pro-lifer.
On the otherhand, I have experienced immense verbal abuse from pro-lifers (though I KNOW you will deny that they are pro-lifers, they identify themselves as such and I will continue referring to them as that as well) who tell me that I should be murdered, my mother should have miscarried or aborted me or that I should go kill myself. I have never said anything like this to any pro-lifers.
Curious, isn’t it?
I might laugh at that ‘Pro-Life’ film if it weren’t so sad and perverted.
I bet some pro-aborts actually feel that unborn children are demons invading a woman. It’s their complete disregard for human life that is so upsetting to me.
Looks like I’ll be seeing that movie. :)
Rae, I experience the same every single time I participate in a pro-life picket – on a constant basis – from pro-aborts giving me the finger and the “f-you!” and other such rubbish.
Some even tell me to “get a life,” which I find curious as well.
I find it implausible that a pro-lifer would tell you you should be murdered, you should kill yourself, or that you should have been aborted or miscarried. Exactly when does this happen?
To me, the thought of pregnancy is even scarier than a creep movie like this. *shivers*
Alyssa, I’ve read of your fear of pregnancy and I’m sorry about that. Pregnancy is a sign of good health. Billions and billions of women have gone through pregnancy through the ages and did well. I’m sorry you don’t have a support system around you that relishes pregnancy and the miracle of life.
As far as labor goes, I always tell first-time Moms who haven’t gone through it to try Lamaze and then get the epidural… :)
I never want to have children, and I’ve had that mindset since I was young.
If I get pregnant while still in college, I’m aborting, and my boyfriend supports my decision.
If a woman wants an abortion, it’s her decision and no one else’s. After all, it’s HER body.
I participate on a pro-choice message board and nearly everytime I go on there, pro-lifers (often high school boys who attend christian or Catholic high schools) come on there and tell us to “get back in the kitchen” and that we only have the choice “to make them a sammich” or they come in there and say things like, “YOU SHOULD DIE YOU BABYKILLING WHORES!”
And Jill, if you are in a picket line that shows pictures of aborted fetuses or calling abortion “murder” you are pretty much asking for the “f-yous” and what not.
Jill and Alyssa,
I love it, except I’d skip the Lamaze and go straight for the epidural.
I had the first four with nothing (they never offered it) and the last two with an epidural.
I was workin’ a crossword puzzle when Mary Pat crowned and I didn’t even realize it til I noticed my stomach had moved down a foot!
Yep. Epidural for sure.
mk
Rae,
Tell me where this site is and I’ll have a word with those boys. That is obnoxious and upsets me greatly.
Seriously, tell me where I can find them. Especially if they are minors.
mk
Oh, and by the way.
I’m pro-choice, not “pro-abort”.
I support a woman’s right to CHOOSE.
MK-
My mom had all three kids without any medications. She said the births were easy…which amazes me because my baby brother was 10 lbs and nearly 2 feet long when he was born. My poor, poor mother.
When I was born, my mom nearly died due to blood loss from her uterus being delivered along with her placenta after I was born. The hospital that I was born at had never seen anything like that before.
She envies the women who had easy pregnancies and labors.
I never said that I was afraid of the labor or anything…I just think the thought of having something grow inside of me is kind of…bizarre. And where do you get off thinking that I don’t have a support system that loves babies? That’s complete nonsense…my family is wonderful. I just don’t see them “relishing” pregnancy like its a brand new roller coaster at a theme park…I think they’d be more concerned for the reasons pregnancy ISN’T wonderful sometimes.
Lamaze is crap…if it wasn’t for people trying to feed my mom crap about Lamaze and the “wonder” of natural childbirth, she wouldn’t have suffered the way she did. She said it herself….go straight for the epidural. Amen to that.
Rae, it is the same young men who give me the finger and f-yous. No wonder. They’re the ones who benefit most from abortion.
As for signs, the pro-life movement is the first social justice movement since photos began being used to advance social justice movements where certain people have become angry at the people holding the signs and not the content of the signs.
Why? They’re complicit.
High school boys are such twits aren’t they? At least we agree on one thing. I am all for high school boys all being shipped off to military school to learn some respect.
If you were really for social justice Jill, I think you should spend more time trying to reduce the number of abortions via solving the problem that they are being used to answer: Unwanted pregnancies. By attempting to decrease unwanted pregnancies, you will decrease the number of abortions.
And as much as you try to demonize sex you have to realize that people are going to have sex anyway. I think it’s a lesser of two evils to have a person have safer, responsible sex and attempt to prevent pregnancy rather than have unsafe sex that leaves you open for STDs and pregnancy.
If I get pregnant while still in college, I’m aborting, and my boyfriend supports my decision.
Cute couple. I’m a firm believer in discussing major life decisions with your significant other.
Did you do that over dinner?
Nice…
mk
Sarcasm, MK?
I don’t think it’s needed.
And an extra bit of information?
While I want no children at all right now (and certainly none of my own in the future), I may change my mind. In that case, I will be adopting.
Alyssa,
I have seen the sweet, sentimental side of you. Remember?
I have the feeling that the day you become pregnant, your fears while still there, will become quite manageable. Carrying a baby is hard work. No doubt about it. But it is also waaaay cool. I had morning sickness (okay, all day and night sickness) for all nine months of all six pregnancies. But in between the boat rockin’, those little characters would do a summersault or get the hiccups or push their little foot so hard against my tummy that I could see the outline of their foot. And when that little fella gets big enough that he gives you the worst heartburn imaginable, he also positions himself so that you can rub his head while you’re watchin’ TV or readin’ a book. And when you’re shakin’ like a leaf from the adrenaline surge after delivery, and they hand you a little thing that looks like it should be named seymour? Well, that’s when you can’t think of anything to say except…awwwwwww!
You’re a big fat mush, and I promise, you’ll do fine.
Besides, trust me, pregnancy and delivery are a piece of cake compared to the teenage years…
Did I ever tell you about the time…
mk
Heather,
While I want no children at all right now (and certainly none of my own in the future), I may change my mind. In that case, I will be adopting.
Well, that will be your choice, now won’t it?
And how would have liked me to respond to a statement like:If I get pregnant while still in college, I’m aborting, and my boyfriend supports my decision.
You are on a pro-life site for heavens sake.
I couldn’t very well have told you “Good Job”.
Sheesh..If you don’t say anything you get accused of ignoring people.
If you say something, you get accused of being argumentative.
You can’t win.
Okay, Heather, tell me why you and your boyfriend have decided to abort?
mk
Haha, yes I am on a pro-life site. I realize this.
And why did we decide on it? Because neither of us are ready and won’t be for years, if ever.
When it comes to certain things, I’m a selfish individual. I don’t want to sacrifice my dreams, my wants and needs, for eighteen years…nor do I want to endure everything that pregnancy involves.
Gotta love catch-22’s.
I should also add that abortion, for me, is only an option while I am still in college.
After that, if I get pregnant and still do not want a child, I will but him/her up for adoption.
Heather,
Now don’t get upset…this is a conversation after all.
You are with a boy/man who is willing to sleep with you, but up front tells you that if you become pregnant with his child, he wants you to abort it.
By the same token, you tell him that you want to sleep with him, but if you get pregnant with his child, you want to abort it.
And you honestly feel that this is a healthy relationship. Where before the imaginary child is even conceived, a child that would be created out of an act that is supposed to be an expression of love and deep commitment to one another, you would actually discuss killing this product of your creative love? And this is the kind of relationship you want to be in?
I just think that you should treat yourself better. Find someone who cares enough about you to say, sweetie, if you’re not ready to be a mom and I’m not ready to be a dad, then out of respect for you, and out of the deep love that I feel for you, I refuse to put you in a position where you have to decide to kill our child. So let’s hold off on the sex thing until we are both a little more centered and old/mature enough to take on the responsibility for our actions. Then go to a movie.
Cuz I just can’t see myself with someone that would ever put me in the position of having to “erase” the proof of our love.
I just like myself too much. And I could never respect a guy who could eliminate that which is troublesome…like his son or daughter. I would forever be in fear that if I became troublesome, he would get rid of me too.
MK
I’m sorry, there must have been a slight misunderstanding.
If I get pregnant, he’s not going to tell me I have to abort it or anything. He is going to be supportive, whatever my decision is in the end.
And it’s something that I feel should be discussed BEFORE it happens. That’s why we’ve already discussed it.
There’s always the possibility, of course, that I will decide to carry the child to term. It all depends on the circumstances at the time.
And I feel that he and I do have a healthy relationship. We get along, and unlike most couples we know, we COMMUNICATE.
Oh.
Something forgot.
I like myself quite a bit.
There was more, but it’s about time that I got to studying for some tests and writing a term paper.
Okay,
Maybe we’ll talk more tomorrow. Good luck on those tests.
mk
Thanks, I’ll need it.
Our opinions obviously differ, but you don’t seem all “in your face” about it, just firm in your beliefs and I’d like you to know that I respect that.
You’re not half bad.
I HAVE SEEN THIS MOVIE!
MY good friend thought I would be entertained and I was. The acting was absolutely atrocious, the whole thing couldn’t have cost them more than a couple hundred bucks, and the message was so twisted it was hard to see who was sending the message.
I mean, the baby that crawled out of this girl (crawled, it wasn’t delivered) was a huge crab with a baby’s head attatched. I’ve never seen anything look so ridiculous.
It was incredibly gory. A lot of people get shot in the head and the images aren’t pretty. There was a crazy pro-life dude named Wayne who had three sons and a daughter. The daughter goes in for an abortion because she was impregnated by the devil, and knows God wants her to abort the evil growing inside her. The father demands to be let in, but he isn’t allowed because the clinic put a restraining order on him because of some allusion to violent threats to the clinic and its doctors in the past. He finally gets his sons together with a bunch of shotguns (after inside the clinic the girls belly swells to what looks like 8 months, even though she was raped by the devil last week) and shoot the security guard.
There’s another family inside who came for their daughter’s abortion. They aren’t important but there is one scene where the father is freaking out about all the shooting and slaps his daughter, saying, “It’s your fault we’re here”. The nurse slaps him back, saying, “How dare you raise your hand to strike your pregnant daughter?” I mean, that’s about all they do.
The movie is only an hour long and just serves to be as gory as possible. It was so incredibly stupid and not pro-life or pro-choice at all. There were terrible people from each camp. It kind of echos a post I made earlier. The media focuses on extremists because it’s more entertaining, but the majority of the group does not identify with these actions.
See, Jill? One movie I have watched for once : )
It’s seriously not worth your time. Unless you like blood and watching the devil look like an alien with a rams head walking around on muscley legs.
Jen, thanks for the synopsis! I wouldn’t have ever seen it but am glad it was as bad as its premise… :)
It was just stupid. It didn’t send a message either way. Well, it did send the message that they are terrible at making movies and just wanted to see as much blood as possible.
The worst scene is where the pro-life father storms into the director of the clinic’s office. He’s wearing a bullet proof vest but they get out a shotgun and shoot his arm or something. They lay him out on a table and tell him he needs an abortion. He gets a hook and an aspiration device, and well, the details are way too disgusting for this blog. I’ll just say they performed an “abortion” on him, in the same region as is done on a woman.
It sent the worst possible message. This movie was just gross, not constructive to politics or discussion.
Horror films suck
Heather,
You’re not half bad.
Right back at ya babe!
mk
Other great movies dealing with pregnancy and birth: ALIEN, IT’S ALIVE (and sequels), CITIZEN RUTH, COMA. DAWN OF THE DEAD, I suppose.
That girl in the video was a psycho!
I can’t wait to buy Lime5.
Heather – although I agree with MK on how the “pregnancy” dicussion should have gone, I have to say “good for you” for even discussing it. Some of my cousins college friends have gotten pregnant ( I think it has been an epidemic there!) and the guys have taken off. They never talked about it. If these girls had, at least they would know what they are getting into.
And – of course I would have to put this in – if you do get pregnant we are here for you! Many here think we will condemn, judge and blaa blaa, but that is not true. And anyway, you know who are so you’ll know what you are getting into.
Alyssa – I shouldn’t say this… I know that… But get a back up plan if you do decide to have a baby. An epidural, although wonderful and great, sometimes doesn’t work. My son came so quickly that I didn’t have a chance for an epidural. He was 3 pounds 10 ounces and although there was pain it was nothing to my 7 pound daughter! I planned on an epidural. I counted on an epidural. They couldn’t get the needle in between the vertabrae. I never had lamaze or anything like that. Get a back up plan! They did give me some pain killers early on in the labor, I couldn’t stop laughing! I did like that part!
Heather and Alyssa…..
In the 3rd Chapter of Genesis, God pronounced a curse on Adam and Eve becasue of their sin. It goes like this
“16 To the woman he said, “I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”
17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat of it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.”
So I can understand how someone still living under sin’s power may feel the way you two do about having children. But Jesus came and died to release us from sin’s power and said this in John 10:10:
“The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.”
Will both of you still choose death or will you choose life? Satan or Jesus.
His Man,
I’ve never wanted children. Religious beliefs have no bearing on that decision.
Thanks, though.
FraggleRocker:
There’s no requirement to have children to be a believer, I agree. In fact, having children takes away from your ability to devote your life fully to Christ.
However, it’s so, so much deeper than that.
So don’t have unmarried sex (i.e., immoral sex)and therefore put yourself in a position where you might want to justify killing an innocent human being. Because then you’re decision not to have children becomes very religious.
Don’t understand the expression of gratitiude, i.e., “Thanks” in your post, since I wasn’t commenting on anything you wrote prior. So, was that the smart alec coming out of you? Yeah, you’re a pro-deather. You all have this similar spirit about you.
What’s so immoral about having sex with the person you love and intend to spend the rest of your life with?
A marriage certificate is nothing more than a piece of paper.
By the way, you should know that I am the same person as “FraggleRocker” and the same person you replied to earlier, along with Alyssa.
His Man:
I also have no desire to be pregnant in the future. This is mostly due to my dislike of the idea of being pregnant, and not the child. Therefore, my fiance and I will likely adopt sometime in the future: as we both have issues with the adoption system, we’d probably adopt a 5-6 year old. We want to make some sort of difference. Our decision was not religiously motivated, despite the fact that he remains quite committed to his (Christian) religion.
Now, as I never wish to be pregnant, should I abstain from sex with my husband? Should I absolutely never have sex because I never want to be pregnant, despite the fact that I would use two different types of birth control? How does that work? Marriage isn’t a sudden green card for parenting, and a marriage certificate doesn’t suddenly make pregnancy an acceptable or even desirable outcome of sex. My reaction to becoming pregnant would be the same whether or not I had a ring on my finger.
–Less
Jill
“In actuality, the pro-life movement is the most peaceful social movement in history. On every day of the week there are likely hundreds of peaceful pro-life prayer vigils or protests outside of abortion mills… hundreds of thousands over the years.”
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Jill, it was 8 murders of abortion stuff, plus 16 attempted murders, plus more than 200 cases of clinic bombin and arsen. Not to forget the shouting in front of many clinics and the “truth-trucks’ which give many unprepared children who see the pictures nightmares. The anti-abortion movement has a fundamentalist and also violant face for many people. How many anti-aboriton activists/staff/campaigners have you heard of as being murdered, and how many anti-abortion headquarters have been bombed an burnt?
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The website you give for the alleged incidents of pro-choice violence is ridiculously biased, as it is a Catholic pro-life missionary website. In lieu of lacking statistics they probably throw dice to determine the violant incidents committed by pro-chociers. I am not saying there is no violant pro-choice violance. I am just asking for a somehwat reliable source.
You also draw quite an inadequate analogy to janitors and hairdressers being murdered. These people have not been murdered by explicit “anti-janitor” or “anti-hairdresser” movements. Why did you even post that paragraph?
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And there are definitely way more peaceful social movements than the anti-abortion movement. Ghandi, Las Madres del Plaza de Cinco de Mayo in Argentina and the tree-hugging women in India are the first thre I can spontaneously think of.
“Las Madres del Plaza de Cinco de Mayo in Argentina” are not a social justice group to be proud of – thier children were mostly Stalinists or Marxists who wanted to bring a communist dictatorship to Argentina. They are a farce.
– they are supported and are connected to communist Cuba, their leader is in Havana all the time – as we all know – Cuba, under castro has one of the highest abortion rates in the world – where abortion is used as a birth control method. Their leader has even spoken out against peaceful human rights dissidents in Cuba. This is a terrible group hiding behind a facade of human rights and social justice. Their children were monsters I am sad to say.
Mandingo
Las Madres are a social group constituted of MOTHERS whose children were abducted, killed and tortured by a highly authoritarian government- without warning, without explanation, without trials to prove anything. Among the abducted were highly pregnant young women whose babies were raised by the same people who killed the mothers shortly after giving birth.
The government who committed these atrocities were put on trial and have been found guilty. Seems like the world disagrees with your wrong and unfounded point of view. The convictions are also due to the unwavering peaceful protest of the Madres, who refuse to just accept that thousands of innocent people -yes, imagine, a diverging political view (if they did hold that view in the first place) does not make you a monster- disappeared or were killed.
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Valerie,
what do the quotes you posted have anything to do with the fact that Gandhi led a more peaceful social movement to end oppression than anti-abortionists in the US? I can;t see the link, honestly.
Joe,
How is there no link in her response to you?
What you wrote was that there were “more peaceful movements than the anti abortion movement”, and listed Gandhi as one of those “more peaceful” types.
Valerie responded by proving that Gandhi was actually anti-abortion as well.
Bethany
I saw what Valerie was trying to do. But it still does not matter at all regarding what I said. Gandhi did not head an anit-abortion movement. Jill was talking about anti-abortion movements in particular as being the most peaceful one in history. Of course he could have been anti-abortion.That does not make his movement an anti-abortion movement. Gandhi also started having sex at age 13 and treated his wife terribly for a few years- does that make his movement a woman-hating movement that condones child-marriage?
Joe –
I just found it odd that you chose Mahatma Gandhi as one of your examples. He was against contraception, against abortion, against feminism as it is described today, against most things liberal and he was a peaceful activist. I just found it ironic.
I also found your other example quite ironic as well. I had just finished reading one of your posts from “Pro-aborts suppress pro-life free speech” on this site. You said: Posted by: Joe at March 30, 2007 09:49 AM
“Yes, keep telling women it is wrong. You are very much entitled to your opinion. Just hands off the legislature :-). ”
But Las Madres del Plaza de Cinco de Mayo were a group of women who saw an injustice and slowly formed a group of women to stop this injustice, hence change legislation.
It looks to me that the peaceful social movements you mentioned would have either agreed with pro-life politically or were trying to change what they saw was unjust laws just as the pro-life crowd is doing.
However, this doesn’t really answer your question does it. Well, since you were not the only person who has posted here and I was thinking of Mahatma Gandhi I thought I would post a couple of his quotes in answers to what was being dicussed previously.
I also thought, as Bethany explained, that it would lead you to see the irony in it.
Right on Valerie! I didn’t know where Joe was coming from either.[????]
I have read of those comments, and I am sad and very upset with all of you and your one cause or another. It seems to me, all the whole bunch of you want to do is argue. So, many of you have fought so long and so hard about this issue, that you all seem to have forgot what the real issue is here. It is not whether a women should or should not have a baby.
The real question here, is whether these women should be having sex or not, and if they are why are have not taking birth control, too stop pregnancy. This is not 1950, or 1960 or 1970. This is 2007 and there is a Planned Parenthood Clinic and free birthcontrol on every bloody street corner now, and there are no laws now where teenagers or adult women can not get birth control. Why are they not taking birth control, so there want be a pregnancy, so there want be a need for abortion. This is the question that needs to be addressed. There are 30 to 50 different kinds of birth control today, so there is no excuse for getting pregnant, unless you are raped and a victim of incess. So, stop arguing about which side you are on, and start asking yourself why abortion is just as high today, with all these different methods of birth control, as there was back in the 60’s, 70’s, when there were not all this birth control. That is the Really BIG Question, and I know some of you are going to get angry and start yelling and cursing, but that is just because I have proven my point. Yes, it is a womens right to choice, what she does with her body, but it is not her right to have unprotected sex, not take birth control and use abortion as birth control, that is not only the height of disgusting and lazy, but that is just almost grounds, for being drummed out of the human race, because that is just plain rotten and sad, and makes people like this less than human and calling them animals, is insulting to the animal kingdom.