Tiller charged with 19 new misdemeanor counts; 30 previous dismissed
I previously blogged that it appeared new pro-abort KS AG Paul Morrison was stonewalling on 30 criminal charges brought by his pro-life predecessor Phill Kline, whom he defeated last fall, against late-term abortionist George Tiller. My linked post contains more details and a timeline. Update:
Wichita Eagle, June 29:
… Those charges were dismissed on a jurisdictional issue and Morrison chose not to revive any of them, choosing instead to file on a different issue….
Morrison [pictured right at press conference] filed 19 criminal charges against… Tiller on Thursday, alleging Tiller had financial and legal ties to a doctor who signed off on late-term abortions he performed.
The charges stop short of alleging that the abortions were unjustified, and Morrison said the violations he cited are technical….
Although all are misdemeanors, each count carries a potential sentence of a year in jail and a $2,500 fine.
If convicted, Tiller could also face disciplinary action against his medical license… rang[ing] from no action to censure, suspension, or revocation of a doctor’s license to practice….
Morrison stressed that the charges he filed are different than those contemplated by Kline….
More from the Capital-Journal, June 29….
Morrison, speaking at a Topeka news conference amid heavy security, said… Tiller has been charged… with 19 counts of failing to obtain a second opinion from a consulting physician “not legally or financially affiliated” to him before performing the abortions….
Of the abortions at issue, 13 of the 19 women were 16 years of age or younger, including a 10-year-old….
More on that second abortionist from the KS City Star, June 28:
The physician who signed off on abortions performed by George Tiller was disciplined in 2001 by the Kansas Board of Healing Arts.
The board placed temporary limitations on the medical license held by Ann Kristin Neuhaus after its staff filed legal documents alleging, among other things, that Neuhaus performed an abortion after the patient withdrew her consent.
Neuhaus, 49, could not be reached for comment Thursday. But at the time, her attorney denied the allegations. Neuhaus accepted the limitations to resolve the petition filed in December 2000.
According to the petition, a patient agreed to an abortion but then withdrew consent and tried to leave. But Neuhaus sedated her and performed the abortion, the petition states.
The petition also alleged that she failed to document the patient’s previous adverse experiences with sedation and failed to document her vital signs.
Pro-life feedback on these developments:
“While we are happy that charges are being filed against Tiller, we are guarded about this because we believe that these charges are the weakest…” said Troy Newman, president of Operation Rescue in Wichita (as quoted by Capital-Journal). “Part of me is a little bit gratified to see that (Morrison filed charges),” said Cheryl Sullenger, policy adviser for… Operation Rescue. “In another part of me, I am disappointed to see he didn’t file late-term charges” (as quoted by the Wichita Eagle).
[Hat tip: LifeNews.com]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
can we all agree now that maybe, just maybe, Tiller was doing *something* illegal?
At least there is some progress being made. I hope they charge Tiller and jail him for life. I hear that he was performing abortions on women who didn’t want to miss rock concerts and sporting events. Go look that up on the Operation Rescue web site.
How could Tiller not be guilty of failure to report statutory rape when he did a late abortion on a TEN YEAR OLD GIRL and didn’t report it?
And how come it took the brilliant minds at Morrison’s office months to notice that Neuhaus had signed off on every single case, when this had been pointed out to them before they even picked up the files?
Christina, isn’t it amazing that a 10 year old is having an abortion, and there is no adult reporting her pregnancy? Where are the police? The entire industry is so sleazy it makes my skin crawl.
Morrison is a bum. This is a cop out because he is closly tied to the Tiller/Kansas death mill operators since he received campaign donations from them:
http://www.dr-tiller.com/paul-morrison.htm
I’d like to second the motion. Morrison is a total bum! He’s always got Tiller’s back!
Christina, isn’t it amazing that a 10 year old is having an abortion, and there is no adult reporting her pregnancy? Where are the police? The entire industry is so sleazy it makes my skin crawl.
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Tiller ALWAYS filed the proper reports.
Posted by Kansas City Star Jan 11, 2007 | Permalink
Prosecutor says doctor complied
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Complete Coverage: 7 more versions of this story are available
Foulston: Tiller didn’t break law in reporting 15 cases – The Wichita Eagle
Sedgwick prosecutor: Tiller reported suspected abuse – The Associated Press
Sedgwick Prosecutor: Tiller Reported Suspected Abuse – KMBZ-AM Westwood
Morrison will ‘dance with the gal that brung him,’ McKinney says – World Net Daily
Foulston calls Kline on abuse charges – The Wichita Eagle
D.A.: Tiller properly reported abortions – The Wichita Eagle
Tiller Did Not Break Reporting Laws, District Attorney Finds – Msmagazine.com
Heather, the really creepy, tragic thing is that to a lot of abortion supporters, having aborted the 10-year-old was Tiller’s way of “respecting her privacy and right to choice.” As if a ten year old could make a decision to have a late term abortion! Or to have had the sex that led to it!
Why do I smell incest on this one?
Laura, it doesn’t say that Morrison found that Tiller actually filed reports and that the cases were properly investigated. It said that Morrison SAID that Tiller didn’t break the reporting law “in 15 cases”.
Which might simply mean that Morrison concluded that Tiller had concluded on his own that there was no need to do any reporting.
“can we all agree now that maybe, just maybe, Tiller was doing *something* illegal?”
I think if you put any clinic or hospital under the same microscopic scrutiny… your going to find some problems.
Can we agree that beurocratical short-comings and bending the rules for conveniance’s sake aren’t exactly particularly criminal.
You all are hypocritical twits if your driving over the speed limit.
If you reed the Wichita article, you’ll find that our Kline was breaking judicial protocol and withholding favorable tiller evidence from the judge.
Nothing epitomizes everything that is hypocritical, foolish, and ugly about americans more so than a prolife lawyer.
Cam,
You filling in for Jerry?
jerry,jerry,jerry
Where did you get that pic of me Jerry? LOL!
Jerry Springer, aka Cameron, are you testing me again? It goes without saying – no links to porn. Don’t do that again.
I think Cameron is addicted to porn. Remember when he used to post it all the time. Here’s a tip Cameron. Respect a woman, and she might date you.
As I predicted, the constitutionality of the law Tiller is supposed to have violated is now under dispute.
Smaug,
Good, now maybe they’ll rethink the constitutionality of all the abortion laws.
Wouldn’t it be ironic if Mr. Tiller was the straw that broke the camels back and brought the abortion issue (roe v wade in particular) back to the Supremes (as Jill likes to call them).
Go George.
That’s DOCTOR Tiller, to you.
Oh, my G_d!!!! Cameron, you are a cartoon. I’m saying to myself: “naw, not even Cameron would try and defend not reporting rape against a 10 year old girl.” I should have known better.
So Cameron, how about Tiller botching a late term abortion on a 19 year old girl suffering from Down’s Syndrome? How about his office asking: “Please, please, no lights and no siren…” from the 911 dispatcher as the girl lay bleeding to death from internal hemorrhage.
Yup, speeding ticket. C’mon, you cartoon. You can come up with some witty retort, can’t you?
Tony, Tiller was cleared of wrongdoing in the case you mentioned.
One patient death of this type in thirty years of doing abortions late in pregnancy is no disgrace–it’s expected, statistically.
You will not succeed in impugning Tiller’s skill–he’s too good at what he does. His safety record is famous throughout the western world.
George Tiller butchered Christen Gilbert. He didn’t call for medical attention in a timely fashion. He is a dangerous abortionist. He needs to be stopped.
No, he didn’t. She died of sepsis.
Tiller’s safety record is unchallenged in the western world.
You, Heather, don’t know what you’re talking about.
Tony, Tiller was cleared of wrongdoing in the case you mentioned.
Of course he was. One phone call from the Governor (who is in Tiller’s pocket) was all it took.
Ok, SoMG. Let’s take a look at the number of women rushed to the hospital by ambulance from Tiller’s abortuary.
Tiller is a butcher. He needs to be stopped. Had this been any kind of medical doctor instead of an abortionist, he would have lost his license and been indicted long ago.
Tony: Two percent of Tiller’s patients experience complications requiring hospitalization. So what? That’s a good record for a late-term abortion doc.
Tiller is the best in the western hemisphere at what he does, and docs send patients to him from everywhere. His safety record is unmatched.
All you prove by trying to impugn him is that you do not get your information from inside the GYN industry.
How did she become septic? Something in the air that day?
*claps for Tony* That sure doesn’t look like 1 botch job to me. I’ve never heard of any other medical facility asking 911 to turn off their lights and sirens. Somg, why do you think that his assistant asked 911 to do that? Why was it a big secret? An emergency is an emergency.
Gee, Heather, my guess would be it might have something to do with wanting to keep his patient’s medical information private from the right-to-lifers who picket his clinic. Most medical practices and clinics don’t have to deal with a hostile mob. But that’s just a guess.
With regard to your other question, you never know in individual cases. If you read the minutes of any medical oversight committee (or sit on one) you get used to that very quickly–you never know in an individual case what caused the problem; all you can do is compile statistics and look for docs with bad safety records overall. Tiller’s safety record is excellent.
People drop dead for all kinds of reasons. Any surgical practice will have a few patient deaths.
Every year some people drop dead during prayer. I could build a web site featuring those people and their life stories. Should we outlaw prayer in an effort to save those people?
His staff wouldn’t even inform the 911 dispatcher as to what was going on. Why didn’t she tell him that they had a woman in cardiac and respiratory arrest? That call was from one medical professional {Tiller’s nurse] to another medical professional [911 ambulance service] Again, what was the big secret? She [Marguerite] withheld crucial information.
“Tiller is the best in the western hemisphere at what he does”
I agree Smoggy, he one the best killers around….
More typical right-to-life behavior.
http://www.kake.com/news/headlines/8324012.html
Somg, So? he’ll have to do a little remodeling. he he ha!
Right-to-lifer shows true colors. Vandalism and property damage are funny to you. It’s the one-sided-ness, the fact that this sort of thing doesn’t happen to right-to-life “Crisis Pregnancy Centers” that says the most about the two sides of the abortion question.
SMOG, death threats are funny to you.
Right-to-life-ism: a criminal, terrorist enterprise.
Suggesting that innocent people be assassinated is criminal.
Not to me.
Paul Hill paid for his crime. He has been executed. Shelly Shannon is in prison. What more do you want?
BTW, what ever happened to the man who killed Bernard Shlepian?
I hope Tiller is eventually brought up on the criminal charges he deserves. He’ll be in the same surroundings a Shelly Shannon.
Governor Sibelius would pardon him.
SoMG, it appears that you haven’t done your research. Crisis pregnancy centers aren’t immune to hate crimes and such crimes as vandalism, pickets, and death threats have been perpertrated towards CPCs by pro-choice activists as seen below:
“…There was also a crisis pregnancy center that was damaged as well as another billboard truck”
July 5, 2007
http://www.kake.com/news/headlines/621072.html
“In an opinion piece published by The Arizona Republic on Monday, Arizona Corporation Commission Chairman Jeff Hatch-Miller relayed a story about a young mother. “Baby in her arms, her 2-year-old in tow” arriving at a crisis pregnancy center in Phoenix, where she was met with a note posted on the door: “Closed Due to Vandalism.” It may as well have said “Sorry, you will not receive a few cans of formula or a warmer sweater for your daughter for one week,” because that is what she sought, and that is how long it took to replace the electric power cable stolen from the facility.”
12/22/2006
http://www.kingmandailyminer.com/main.asp?SectionID=13&SubSectionID=18&ArticleID=10973
Pro-Life Activist Attacked in Detroit by Pro-Choicer picketing CPC
September 14-17, 2006
http://www.prolifeaction.org/hotline/2006/0914.htm
Detroit Action Network For Reproductive Rights (DANFORR) picketed CPC
September 9, 2006
http://www.workers.org/2006/us/pro-choice-0921/
Pro-choicer brags of picketing a CPC
May 11, 2006
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/archive/index.php/t-165393.html
Another Pro-choicer brags of picketing a CPC
4/24/2006
http://www.hipmama.com/forward/21097
Pregnancy Center in Maryland Offering Abortion Alternatives Vandalized
January 25, 2005
http://www.lifenews.com/state855.html
City Officials Find Vandalism of Pregnancy Center Disturbing
January 24, 2005
http://www.cityofbowie.org/news/press%20releases%202005/press_hate_reward.htm
Maryland Pregnancy Centers Vandalized, Police Begin Investigations
June 4, 2004
http://www.lifenews.com/state597.html
California pregnancy centers targeted
“Chris Slattery, whose New York City-based Expectant Mother Care clinics are among those targeted by Spitzer, said, “I’ve studied CARAL’s website….what worries me is the level of aggressiveness they seem to have displayed with picketing and postering and letter writing.”
February 22, 2002
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26611
“Pennsylvania CPC Receives Anthrax Threat Letter.”
Lehigh Valley News [Pennsylvania], October 17, 2001
http://abortionviolence.com/PA.HTM#ANTHRAX
“Canadian Crisis Pregnancy Center Vandalized.” March 23, 2001
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2001/mar/01032201.html
A photo of the damage: http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2001/mar/010322b.html
“Wisconsin Crisis Pregnancy Center Receives Anthrax Threats.”
“On January 9, 2000, a Racine crisis pregnancy center received an anthrax threat. A volunteer opened a letter which contained a powder along with a note threatening that the substance was anthrax. The CPC called police, and those who came in contact with the powder were decontaminated and checked at local hospitals. The incident would have been contained to one office and only two people, but a worker at a dental office in the building walked into Affiliated Pregnancy Counseling Service after the envelope had been opened. The dental office employee then returned to the dental office, potentially contaminating the other five people in that office, said Racine Police Sgt. Jerry Baldukas.”
January 13, 2000
Steven Ertelt’s Pro-Life Infonet
California Crisis Pregnancy Center Receives Bomb Threat, Others Vandalized
Source: Associated Press, San Francisco Chronicle 1/23/99 Page A16 UNION CITY, Calif.
http://lists.asu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9901d&L=christia&P=7785
http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=9443
“In Atlanta, volunteers at the Gwinnett Crisis Pregnancy Center arrived and found the center vandalized, the bolt lock spray-painted shut, and a note that read, “Stop the fake clinics. Stop the bombings. It’s time to fight back.” Two other metro Atlanta area CPCs were also targets of vandals.”
Inauguration Day
January 19 or 20th, 1997
http://www.worldmag.com/articles/636
“Daniel Adam Mathison was the first pro-abortion activist indicted under the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act on April 11, 1995. He called the crisis pregnancy center First Way in Wenatchee, Washington on January 2, 1995 and threatened to kill workers at the office….He pleaded guilty to the charges and, on August 31, 1995, was sentenced to 30 days of home confinement, 10 weekends in the Chelan County Jail, and five years probation in the United States District Court in Spokane.”
April 11, 1995
http://www.hli.org/commentaries_fr_tom_legal_action_suing_abortion_2.html
“Pregnancy Center is Vandalized.”
Life Advocate, May 1992.
“Ni-Ta-Nee NOW members organized a picket in front of the Centre Region Crisis Pregnancy Center”
June 1991
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/1991/09/09-26-91tdc/09-26-91dnews-04.asp
SoMG, you are perpretrating that all pro-lifers are guilty of being “criminal” and “terrorist” based on the actions of a few extremist who call themselves “anti-abortion” and have received just punishment. And yet the majority of us are law-abiding citizens and would never imagine of committing hate-crimes nor violence towards others in the name of the pro-life movement, and as pointed out in another thread I believe, the majority of major pro-life organizations have a clear and written stance against violence. True pro-life is just that, respecting all human lives at all stages of development, from life until death.
People drop dead for all kinds of reasons. Any surgical practice will have a few patient deaths.
Every year some people drop dead during prayer. I could build a web site featuring those people and their life stories. Should we outlaw prayer in an effort to save those people?
The fact is, providing abortions is a medical practice and any doctor providing surgeries, whether in a clinic or hospital setting should be held to certain standards. Sloppy practice, poor health conditions, and negligence (in today’s abortion providers), as well as putting political correctness in front of patient safety should never be acceptable.
Bravo. But rare events happen to everyone who practices long enough.
Smaug,
Right-to-lifer shows true colors. Vandalism and property damage are funny to you. It’s the one-sided-ness, the fact that this sort of thing doesn’t happen to right-to-life “Crisis Pregnancy Centers” that says the most about the two sides of the abortion question.
Posted by: SoMG at July 5, 2007 05:55 PM
The Pro-Life movement is the most peaceful civil rights movement in history. Compare it to any other movement anywhere in time and check the numbers.
When you look at the “statistics” on clinic violence, you’ll notice that the vast majority of the acts considered violent, were simple picketing…talk about a stretch!
Posted by: parkay Location: Overland Park
Gosh, let’s hope all those highly sensitive abortion records of 2004-2007 weren’t damaged, eliminating the possibility of more technicality charges that have to be thrown out by baby-hating federal judges.
I am not advocating what was done to Mr. Tillers clinic.
Let me repeat:
I am not advocating what was done to Mr. Tillers clinic.
That said, Is the it? That’s the best example you’ve got? A garden hose? Oooooooh scary,scary pro lifers…almost as scary as the Pope and Mother Theresa! Make next they’ll get out the leaf blower!
And because I can hear it coming…wait for it…there it is…
“Are you saying there is nothing wrong with what those “vandals” did?”
I say again: I am not advocating what was done to Mr. Tillers clinic.
Just pointing out that 1 garden hose to 45 millions children…hmmm…starts to sound silly.
AND
I’m not sure I don’t agree with the comment from Smaugs post that perhaps it’s a little convenient that all of his records may have been damaged…
All together now…
I am not advocating what was done to Mr. Tillers clinc…
Bravo. But rare events happen to everyone who practices long enough.
Posted by: SoMG at July 6, 2007 04:11 AM
Oh, you must mean, like if someone like Mr Tiller is in practice long enough then rare events like “violence” against his clinic are bound to happen?
MK, good point. How do you know a RTL person did this? Maybe Tiller hired someone to “soak” his records.
Tell him to call the plumber! LOL!!
Bravo. But rare events happen to everyone who practices long enough.
Prehaps, but we’re not talking about doctors in good standing making an occasional mistake over the years. I’m talking about abortion providers who flaunt the law, neglectful, unskilled, careless and are providing outpatient surgeries in poor health conditions and this is occuring more often then you think:
New Jersey A.C. Abortion Clinic Closes For Health Violations
Jun 26, 2007
http://cbs3.com/local/local_story_177075633.html
State shuts abortion clinic over health risks
February 28, 2007
here
http://www.lifenews.com/state2146.html
Abortion clinic in Huntsville “cited by state inspectors last month for violating 10 state laws governing abortion providers.”
November 30, 2006
http://www.al.com/news/huntsvilletimes/index.ssf?/base/news/116488190012710.xml&coll=1
Alabama Women’s Center for Reproductive Alternatives cited for violating 10 state laws
November 30, 2006
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/14623212.htm
http://realchoice.blogspot.com/2006/11/sweet-home-alabama.html
Documentation of Abortion Providers falsifying patient’s records
November 1, 2006
http://realchoice.blogspot.com/2006/11/something-fishy-this-way-comes.html
Randall Whitney ends abortion practice rather than comply with state law, had been found guilty of 4 violations of state law, including “gross and repeated malpractice” and “unprofessional conduct.”
September 15, 2006
http://realchoice.blogspot.com/2006/09/whitney-to-stop-killing-in-daytona.html
Center for Women’s Health (a NAF member) forced shut after “state regulators uncovered more than a dozen health code violations.”
September 11, 2006
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1157791518303420.xml&coll=2
Exceprt of article at:
http://realchoice.blogspot.com/2006/09/naf-clinic-closed-in-ohio-for-safety.html
“Abortion death cited in action against doctor” (August 14, 2004)
By Andy Kanengiser
The Clarion-Ledger, Mississippi News
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040814/NEWS01/408140347/1002
Lawsuit Alleges Medical Malpractice in RU-486-Related Death” (September 03, 2002)
By Christine Hall, CNSNews.com Staff Writer
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%5CCulture%5Carchive%5C200209%5CCUL20020903a.html
OB/GYNE abortion malpractice lawsuit against Marion Verp MD et al (2001)
http://www.malpracticeweb.com/uch_verp.htm
“Malpractice caused woman’s death, lawyer says: Teacher went to Sinai Samaritan for abortion”
By TOM KERTSCHER of the Journal Sentinel staff
Appeared in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on April 25, 2001.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/apr01/abort25042401a.asp
B.J. vs. Edward Steve Lichtenberg MD et al – Abortion malpractice/vaginal…
July 26, 2000
http://www.malpracticeweb.com/lichtenberg_familyplanning.htm
Abortion Provider William Malcolm Knarr’s license revoked, reinstated under suspention: information based on an affidavit by a former employee
1997
http://realchoice.blogspot.com/2007/02/seek-and-ye-shall-find-william-malcolm.html
That’s just a short list, there’s more malpractice cases for the last ten years for abortion providers including gross medical malpractice.
Kudos to Rachael!
Rachel, you could make a similar list of poor practicioners (and/or sued practicioners) of any speciality. I could make a list of poor ophthalmologists or obstetricians, who by the way pay much more in malpractice insurance premiums than abortion docs do. Unless you have information that shows malpractice to be more common among abortion doctors than in other fields of practice, your list is meaningless. And you don’t.
But of course you already know this. You’re not stupid, right?
Rachel, two clinics in my state closed down in just the last year…one was due to a violation and I think the clinic conditions, the other was due to a crime. Seems to happen so often with abortion clinics.
And one closed in my state!!! YAY!
SMOG, George Tiller is not a doctor.
Heather, isn’t that awesome? I have a little celebration every time I hear of yet another abortion clinic shutting down.
If abortion clinics were all investigated properly, I believe there would not be a single one left.
Bethany, this abortionist was Martin Ruddock. He was one of the few abortionists still doing PBA’s. He didn’t have emergency transfer agreements with local surrounding hospitals. The arrogant jerk thought he could break the rules. He botched an abortion, and he called 911. This is when he was investigated for breaking the rules. He was investigated and closed down! His nurses weren’t even documenting vital signs prior to the abortion procedures. No wonder women die in these places.
Heather, I was wrong,…it’s actually been a little over a year since the Summit center was closed. But listen to some of the stuff they shut down for!!
http://realchoice.0catch.com/library/weekly/aa052106a.htm
Summit Medical Center, the abortuary that has been killing children in Birmingham, Alabama for the past 24 years, has been shut down for good. … The Alabama State Health Department walked into the doors of Summit Medical Center at 11:00am, Wednesday morning, May 17, 2006, and closed the doors of this horrific business forever. …. Two department officials entered the building and, in a few short minutes, all the clientele began to leave. ….
Imagine that! Yay! Now for the background:
In February, 2006, a young lady had come to Summit Medical Center for an abortion. A sonogram was administered by a non-physician (against Alabama State Law) and she was told she was 6 weeks pregnant. In reality she was 8 months along.
There’s professional skill for you. Unable to distinguish between a 6-week pregnancy and an eight month pregnancy!
A non-physician gave the woman RU 486, again, in violation of Alabama law.
Six days later, the woman was rushed to the emergency room, where she gave birth to a dead baby weighing 6 lb. 4 oz. baby. The Health Department was notified. Six weeks later, the health department shut Summit down.
Read the link above for several more stories from the Summit center!
Yes, what fine “top notch” people these clinics employ! It’s not the back alley anymore. It’s the front alley.
Oh and the other one that shut down is a goody. An example of pro-abortion violence against pro-lifers..
Mobile, AL ? The Center for Choice in Mobile, Alabama, has closed, furthering the trend of diminishing numbers of abortion clinics nationwide. The abortion mill had operated under that name since 1994, and reported an annual income in abortion sales of $81,000. Phone calls to the abortion mill ring in but are not answered. The office space is up for lease.
The Gulf Christian Newspaper reported in an undated article that the registered agent of the Center for Choice, Patricia Mitchell, had been convicted several years ago of reckless endangerment after she brandished a handgun at two pro-lifer supporters after a clinic protest.
?Those who promote the killing of innocent babies in the womb were dealt another blow with the closing of this abortion clinic,? said Operation Rescue Troy Newman. ?Abortion mills are closing all over the nation, and new ones are not replacing them because of the dramatic success of pro-life efforts in recent years that have led to a decrease in demand for abortions. This is yet another evidence that we are winning the battle for the hearts and minds of Americans, and that the days of abortion in our nation are numbered.?
Where are NOW and NARAL when things like this happen? What a joke they are! I have seen 3 bumper stickers within the last month in support of Choice. One said “Keep abortion legal” the other said “Pro woman, Pro family, Pro Choice” The next one read “Support NOW and NARAL” Do these people even know what they support? Organizations that kill children and maim and kill women. The worst one was a very small car I was behind. This girl had like 25 stickers on the back window and bumper of her Dodge Dart. All Choice slogans. I was laughing, because most of them were peeling off.
Heather,
I love the visual of 25 choice stickers peeling off..
Kind of like the whole pro-choice thing is starting to peel away…layer by layer, the truth comes out and the arguments start to sound old and tired…
Just a matter of time til they are like the people still runnin’ around with vote for John Kerry stickers on their car…you know, a thing of the past.
MK, LOL! I STILL pass cars with BSkers that say ‘Vote for Kerry’ Maybe next time I’ll clue em in.
MK, could you imagine the stickers if abortion were abolished? ‘Please vote to make abortion legal again’ ‘Back to the coat hanger’ ‘All of my choices are gone’ ‘You put your rosaries on my ovaries’….. feel free to add.
Where is carder when you need him/her.
Rachel, you could make a similar list of poor practicioners (and/or sued practicioners) of any speciality. I could make a list of poor ophthalmologists or obstetricians, who by the way pay much more in malpractice insurance premiums than abortion docs do. Unless you have information that shows malpractice to be more common among abortion doctors than in other fields of practice, your list is meaningless. And you don’t.
Who says I don’t, you’re one quick to assume. You’re ignoring the issue and refusing to address the issue of quack doctors and poor health conditions among abortion providers by diverting the issue to other medical professions. Also, I would ask that you refrain from making personal attacks towards me.
Now keep in mind that many of these organizations were members of prestigous abortion providers such as Planned Parenthood and the National Abortion Federation. But where were PP and NAF when these clinics were being shut down for serious health violations and where were they when women were injured and killed by the providers at these clinics. Also, most other medical practices are held to basic medical standards, but pro-choicers fight regulations at every twist and turn in the name of abortion access. Also, abortion is one of the few practices where politics and making a good press appearance are placed as a higher priority than the acutal quality of medical care being received by and the safety of the patients, where medical malpractice and horrendous health conditions are excused in the name of “choice”.
But of course you already know this. You’re not stupid, right?
Come on, we’re not in elementary school anymore, folks, we’re above these childish taunts and bullying aren’t we? (and this goes for all around)
Rachel, I’m waiting for you to post statistics showing that malpractice and poor conditions are more common among abortion docs than among other kinds of docs.
You can’t, because it’s not true. (If you had such statistics, you would have posted them already.)
Every field has poor practicioners, and every field has practicioners who get sued. A list of closings and lawsuits such as you posted proves nothing about abortion overall.
Abortion in the USA is, for the most part, very safe, very well-provided. Approximately ten times safer than giving birth. See for instance JAMA Vol. 268 No. 22, or http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/140/8/620
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If you are going to profess strong opinions about abortion, you should learn more about it.
Geez, getting a little impatient are we? First of all, I was out of town for the weekend and had no access to internet (I was visiting family for a 4th celebration) and second-of all, I work during the day. It doesn’t matter even if I come up with a list, you’re just seeking to only prove your view right and will use information which supports your view, and are closed-minded to any information which differs otherwise.
Despite your final catty comment, I’ve been involved in the abortion debate for 7 yrs, read pro-choice and pro-life blogs on a regular basis, have peer counseled women considering abortion and/or seeking resouces for carrying to term, counseled post-abortion women, and hold intellectual conversations with others of differing views. Also, I’m particularly interested in the field of medicine and have read a number of medical journal articles on induced abortion and in fact have a number of them bookmarked. So if I were you, I would think again before spouting off like that.
*It doesn’t matter even if I come up with a list, you’re just seeking to only prove your view right and will use the information to support your view, and are closed-minded to any information which differs otherwise. On the other hand – I recognize that not all ob/gyn’s or physicians are quacks and mistakes happen, but that doesn’t excuse or negligate the poor behavior, negligence, or medical malpractice of those individual doctors.
Rachel, you wrote: ” It doesn’t matter even if I come up with a list,…”
You’re right. Lists prove nothing. Come up with some statistics, from an authoritative source, and maybe I’ll take you seriously.
Rachael, I must tell you something. SOMG is a man who claims that childbirth causes more damage to the cervix than does abortion. We all asked him to post some proof. He could not. His reply was “You look it up.” LOL! He idolizes George Tiller, and he has made death threats on this blog. I wouldn’t lose any sleep over him and his stupid remarks. *just a heads up*
SOMG, Where were YOUR statistics?
Heather, I have posted two references; here they are again:
JAMA Vol. 268 No. 22, and http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/140/8/620
And by the way I have never made death threats. You are mixing me up with that unsavory character, Doctor Defense.
Evidently you’ve missed Jill’s new post. You must work for the NOW or NARAL liars! Abortion is safe? I don’t think so. We all know you double as Dr. Defense.
Heather, let me correct you on one point. I don’t “idolize” George Tiller. I admire him as a master of his craft, and as a victim of terrorism who refuses to give in to the terrorists’ demands.
Also, did you ever ask a GYN about damage to the cervix during (early) abortion vs childbirth? I bet you haven’t because you know what his answer will be: Childbirth damages the cervix more, OF COURSE. Among GYNs the rule of thumb is, with respect to any relevant physical complication, childbirth is about eleven times worse than early abortion.
Did you know, childbirth leaves a lasting change to the cervix–I can tell whether you’ve had kids or not by feeling your cervix. I could even make a reasonable guess/estimate how many kids you’ve had. Childbirth changes the shape of the external os of the cervix.
Jill’s latest post–another bad NJ clinic being shut down–actually makes me MORE confident in the American abortion industry–it shows that bad practicioners are getting weeded out.
This is the system working as it should. It’s one of the reasons serious complications from legal abortion are so rare.
Don’t worry, I don’t loose sleep over or let people like him get to me, they’re no better than school bullies *winks*