Two major pro-life First Amendment court wins
In the past few days, pro-lifers were handed two major First Amendment court victories of significant impact.
1. On June 22 an Ohio federal district court judge ruled that a state branch of the powerful pro-abortion National Education Association cannot force teachers to become union members who have religious objections to abortion. (It’s incredibly stupid that a profession would seek to kill off its clientele in the first place .)
This ruling has broader implications, as the AP explained: “An employee whose religious beliefs conflict with the political positions of their labor union cannot be forced to pay dues….”
2. Yesterday the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Wisconsin Right to Life, striking down a portion of McCain-Feingold. I gave the backdrop to this decision April 26.
Explained National Review Online….
McCain-Feingold made it a federal crime for any corporation to broadcast, 30 to 60 days before an election, any communication that mentions a federal candidate for elected office and is aimed relevant voters.
Wisconsin Right to Life is an ideological corporation that accepted funding from other corporations. Its members wanted to run ads in 2004 urging citizens of their state to contact its two senators and urge them to oppose a filibuster of judicial nominees.
Sen. Russ Feingold, one of the senators and a co-author of the law in question, was running for reelection. WRTL’s advertising plans thus constituted a federal crime. At least, they were a crime if the relevant part of McCain-Feingold was constitutional as applied to WRTL.
In fact, McCain-Feingold was constitutionally invalid in this case and probably many others.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Hardly “major” wins. Peripheral at best.
You know what really really annoys me? When people who are pro-life, people like Jill, think that just because I am pro-choice, I want to “get rid of” EVERY SINGLE unborn fetus. I support the womens right to choose. So if she chooses that she wants to keep the child I support it. If she chooses that she wants to abort the fetus, I support it. If she chooses that she wants to give the child up for adoption. Then I support it. I have been reading your website Jill for months now and I have always felt this way.
Like SoMG, I wouldn’t think there’s much cause for jubilation… but hey, hyperbole is your forte, and you do it so well… I mean who’d of thunk the the NEA is all about killing pre-babies till they read this.
I’ve been watching the supreme court decisions with more dismay than I’d anticipated. It’s interesting that every decision by this supreme court not only overturns numerous forehead slappingly obvous previous rulings they’ve made, but are somehow always party line splits. Judicial activism much?
You know what really really annoys me? When people who are pro-life, people like Jill, think that just because I am pro-choice, I want to “get rid of” EVERY SINGLE unborn fetus. I support the womens right to choose. So if she chooses that she wants to keep the child I support it. If she chooses that she wants to abort the fetus, I support it. If she chooses that she wants to give the child up for adoption. Then I support it. I have been reading your website Jill for months now and I have always felt this way.
Posted by: JM at June 27, 2007 08:25 AM
You know what really really annoys me?
People who are pro-choice, but don’t stand up for the women who want to keep their babies but are forced to abort because their parents, boyfriends, or husbands force them to, or for women who change their minds but are coerced by clinic staff to continue with the procedure.
You know what really realy annoys me?
People who are pro-choice that don’t stand up for women who have been hurt by abortion through infertility, depression, and death.
You know what really really annoys me?
People who are pro-choice but don’t take action against the clinics who operate with unsterile conditions, rusted bloody instruments, employ quacks for abortionists, falsify records, and coverup statutory rapes.
You know what really really annoys me?
People who are pro-choice and have bought into this whole ridiculous argument that a fetus is nothing more than an univited parasite in a women’s body.
You know what really really annoys me?
People who are pro-choice who have no emtional feelings towards these defenseless little lives and support the grusome act of tearing an innocent baby limb from limb and disposing it like it was yesterday’s garbage just for the sake of convenience.
You know what really really annoys me?
People who are pro-choice and say they support a woman’s right to choose, but stand by and keep their head in the sand and play deaf, dumb and stupid on how this act of violence devalues human life.
You know what really annoys me?
Sandy!
*who, not what.
Gee,
Another childish attack from the pro-choice camp.
No surpise.
LMAO
Stephanie: vacuous posts. Best you got?
Sandy-
Don’t forget about those that are forced to carry to term when they don’t want to. They’re boyfriends, husband and parents forcing them. I bet you don’t feel sorry for them.
And as far as the unsterilized and poor conditions abortions are sometimes done in… expect that to get worse and worse if Roe Vs Wade is overturned.
And sandy, what about the emotional well being of the person carrying the fetus/baby? What if they are not ready for it emotionally or physically?
Smoggy, Cameroni: You’re right. Busting up union dictatorships and putting a major chink in McCain-Feingold are yawners.
You know what really annoys me?
Pro-lifers who believe that so many women are coerced into abortion
Per Less:
“Pro-lifers who believe that so many women are coerced into abortion
Sandy, are those statistics? I requested statistics, not personal stories. Understand the difference, please.
Show me unbiased statistics that
Less:
Why are there so many support groups for women who regret abortion???? Are they all a fallacy to you?
Here is a link for you to check out. You can read for yourself about the negative impact abortion has on women.
http://www.afterabortion.org/
Per Less:
“Sure, I
Per Less:
Hm, maybe you should consider than when you post paragraphs with babies being torn limb from limb? That sounds to me like an episode of shark week on the discovery channel.
Less,
Honestly, what do you think happens during an abortion?? Look up the procedures if your stomach can handle it.
Also, it really really annoys me when people don’t understand the basic concepts of grammar as exampled in the first sentence of your above post. It makes no sense.
Typo?? Maybe. I thinks not. Ooops another grammar errror on my part. Sorry Ms. Less.
“Pro-lifers who believe that so many women are coerced into abortion
“Pro-lifers who believe that so many women are coerced into abortion
Sandy-
Don’t forget about those that are forced to carry to term when they don’t want to. They’re boyfriends, husband and parents forcing them. I bet you don’t feel sorry for them.
And as far as the unsterilized and poor conditions abortions are sometimes done in… expect that to get worse and worse if Roe Vs Wade is overturned.
And sandy, what about the emotional well being of the person carrying the fetus/baby? What if they are not ready for it emotionally or physically?
Jill…I wasn’t trying to be serious at all. Sandy was just really annoying me. That’s all I had time to say this morning before I ran off to work in the lab. *shrug*
And now that I’m back and wanting to add more to this, I find that JM and Less has already said everything that needs to be said.
Oh, one last thing.
Sandy, that wasn’t an attack. If I were attacking you, I would have addressed you directly. I was being facetious.
Oh, one last thing.
Sandy, that wasn’t an attack. If I were attacking you, I would have addressed you directly. I was being facetious. It’s hard to convey emotion over internet text.
Per Stephanie:
“Jill…I wasn’t trying to be serious at all. Sandy was just really annoying me.
Sandy, that wasn’t an attack. If I were attacking you, I would have addressed you directly. I was being facetious.”
OK?????
Luv,
Thanks for the back up!
I just find it really really annoying when people call out mistakes of others when they make the same mistakes themselves.
Per JM:
“Don’t forget about those that are forced to carry to term when they don’t want to. They’re boyfriends, husband and parents forcing them. I bet you don’t feel sorry for them.”
No, I don’t feel sorry for them. They were engaging in a sexual relationship and along with that come the reality that they may become pregnant. I don’t know of anyone who brought a baby into the world and regretted it. I do know many women who had abortions and regrettted it and are suffering the negative effects for the rest of their lives.
“And as far as the unsterilized and poor conditions abortions are sometimes done in… expect that to get worse and worse if Roe Vs Wade is overturned.”
You have bought into the rhetoric of the pro-choice movement. So you think it’s ok now that women are being treated in substandard conditions?
“And sandy, what about the emotional well being of the person carrying the fetus/baby? What if they are not ready for it emotionally or physically?”
Again, refer to my first comment. If they are not emotionally ready to be pregnant, then they are not emotionally ready to be having sexual relations.
Women who say they are pro-choice because they think they are being so noble and supportive of women. By being a pro-choice you need to understand you support all of what I stated above. Why do you support the items I addressed?
I really want to know!!!
Lemme help ya. Out Less. That just ain’t good grammar? Not cause I expect you to have perfect grammar but because you felt the need to pick apart Sandy’s post.
LOL
Sandy, are you confused or something?
Stephanie, maybe you could address the points she raised?
Sandy, do I have to repeat myself? I asked for statistics. You know, numbers? Personal stories aren
Per Less:
“I asked for statistics. You know, numbers?”
Globally, 58% of married women are practicing contraception. About 65-80% use a method in developed regions, Latin America and the Caribbean, and East Asia; 42% in the rest of Asia; and only 20% in Africa.”
I’ve given you these statistics before Less. Take a look at you know…the numbers???
These statistics below (you know the numbrs) are right from the Guttmacher website.
Fifty-four percent of women having abortions used a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant. Among those women, 76% of pill users and 49% of condom users reported using their method inconsistently, while 13% of pill users and 14% of condom users reported correct use.[13]
The statistics (you know the nummbers)obviously show that a very small percentage of women use birth control effectively.
But since you’re an English major I guess you don’t understand you know….numbers.
Per Less:
“You bet if I screwed up, I did it on purpose to prove a point, or was rushing the post because I have, you know, a life.”
Less,
I could point out gramatical mistakes everyone’s posts here. We are ALL busy multitasking and do the best we can to get our points out there. I don’t edit my posts as I am toooooo busy with my life. Yes, and I am sure if you screwed up it was on purpose. Give me a break. LMAO
Per Less:
“Life generally does interfere with arguing with batty old shrews who believe sex automatically equals pregnancy and that every child is a blessing.”
Less,
Yes, my life also interferes with agruing with flipant, condescending know it all type pubecents. But I try.
PS
I hardly think the twenty-something year olds on the hockey team I play with would consider me a “batty old shrew”
Sandy. The numbers you gave me are taken from women who have abortions. Women who have abortions are not all women. They’re taken from the segment of the population who have abortions. I’ll say again, women who have abortions aren’t all women. That’s from a completely different sample, and you can’t put that to the general population.
Take general statistics, it might improve your ability to debate.
Sweety, I’m far past puberty. Flippant (notice the two ‘p’s) and condescending depends on who I’m talking to, and women who honestly believe that forcing their own gender to carry unwanted children is perfectly okay, well, they deserve ever bit of my condescension.
Less hun,
I don’t care about the women who don’t abort.
The debate here is the women that do.
Try to stay focused.
Per Less:
“Sweety, I’m far past puberty. Flippant (notice the two ‘p’s) and condescending depends on who I’m talking to, and women who honestly believe that forcing their own gender to carry unwanted children is perfectly okay, well, they deserve ever bit of my condescension.”
Less,
English major really? Those on-line degree schools need to up their standards.
You go back and correct all of the gramatic errors and spelling mistakes in the above statment and maybe I will raise your grade from an “F” to a “D-” Sorry that’s the best I can do.
You may want to think about a tutor. They can be very helpful and if your lucky you just might pass remedial english 101.
Good luck with all that.
See, this would be one of those posts that contains no substance whatsoever. Just ad-hom attacks. Honestly, Sandy, not got anything better to say? As you, you know, didn’t point out any specific errors…I’m going to consider that, perhaps, you didn’t get time to finish your post.
And I don’t know what college you went to, but when you reach junior level, most of the 101 classes are taken care off, sweetheart.
Your statistics reflect women who abort. They do not reflect women who do not. Thus, using your statistics when referring to all women would be a fallacy. My statistics reflect all women. Thus, they are more appropriate. Do you understand the difference now?
“Stephanie, maybe you could address the points she raised?”
Nah. There are people who will address them more eloquently than I ever could. I’ll just kick back and enjoy the ride.