Good liberal reads on Obama’s support of infanticide

A column by David Reinhard, associate editor of the liberal Oregonian:
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It’s often said that it’s not the crime, it’s the coverup. Here, it’s the crime and the coverup. Misrepresenting the reasons for a key vote is the coverup. Opposing efforts to help babies born alive in botched abortions is the crime – enabling infanticide….
At the risk of committing blasphemy, you have to ask: What’s with this guy?…

A column by Joan Vennochi of the liberal Boston Globe

[H]ard as it is for some die-hard Democrats to imagine after the last eight years of the BushCheney White House, Obama can still lose.
He can lose if… he keeps responding to debate questions by saying the answer is “above my pay grade.”… feeding the Republican script that Obama is not up to calling the shots in the Oval Office.
He can lose if he is cast as an abortion-rights extremist, a theme that Republicans are also pushing. A focus on abortion would give the GOP a wedge issue it can use to undercut Obama on the so-called “values” front.

By Damon LInker of the liberal New Republic:
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The campaign’s response to the controversy shows that it recognizes the damage it could do to Obama’s ambitions: Instead of defending the vote, Obama and his surrogates have sought to excuse it. First they insisted he would have supported the Illinois bill had its language resembled the federal version. Then, when it came to light that the language of the two bills was virtually identical, they claimed that the candidate opposed the bill because it had no “neutrality clause”….
And yet it appears that the final version of the bill contained precisely such language – a fact that apparently did nothing to change Obama’s mind about its merits. If conservatives get their way, these crumbling excuses, along with Obama’s refusal to answer a question about when a baby acquires human rights at Rick Warren’s recent Saddleback church event, will transform Obama in the eyes of evangelicals from an electoral temptation into a morally and politically radioactive “Senator Infanticide.” (That’s what the National Review called him on its website’s homepage yesterday.)

A couple great conservative reads…

  • Matt Barber, “Obamacide,” on The American Thinker
  • Erick Erickson, Human Events, “Obama in his own words: There is no doubt he supported infanticide,” – a great overview from which I even learned a thing or 2
  • 58 thoughts on “Good liberal reads on Obama’s support of infanticide”

    1. “Senator Infanticide” Well you know if the shoe FITS…..
      gotta love that one! Almost as good as the cartoon with dumpster and the baseball bat….

    2. I shudder at the pics of Obama holding the babies…reminds me of the cartoon where he shouts ..”Ahhhh..Kill it…kill it!”

    3. “Obamacide. It means,
      1) Killing the newborn survivor of a botched abortion through a deliberate act of omission; and,
      2) That which a nation commits upon itself by electing one who would allow such a thing.”
      —from American Thinker

    4. For such a time as this……..I just ran again the original interview with OReilly and I pray he runs it again. When he becomes speechless. You clearly pointed out the connections to UCC in the interview and I hope that comes out again along with the Wright presence on the board. Obama was just cozying up to PP in Il during that time and putting political ambitions ahead of all. Now it is those very things that may be his undoing. I am so glad you are there and hope you get alot of attention. I feel like this is what is needed to bring him down. We have to keep hammering this again and again.

    5. See also “Myths and Falsehoods regarding Obama’s votes on Born Alive Bills” Media Matters 8/22/08.

    6. PPC
      The next time Media Matters writes an honest and fair story concerning abortion or any other subject will be the first time.

    7. “I think America’s greatest moral failure in my lifetime has been that we still don’t abide by that basic precept in Matthew that whatever you do for the least of my brothers you do for me.”   (Applause.)
      Barack Obama, at Saddleback Church, 8/16/08

    8. Arlen:
      But according to Obama, whether or not a fetus or a born alive abortion baby is covered by Mathew is above his pay grade. And since he doesn’t know, every pregnancy is fair game for an abortion.
      Geez, that cartoon of him pummeling the babies in the trash dumpster is so apt.

    9. Zorn’s article in the Chicago Tribune 8/20 laid this “issue” to rest for all reasonable people.

    10. Ok, so apparantly my mom ran into Cecile Richards (you know the pres. of Planned Parenthood) and tried to convince her to not vote for Obama! LOL

    11. The lawsuit will no go anywhere. Some legal blogs covered this when Obama’s birth certificate and McCain’s birth in the Panama zone first became issues.

    12. Actually reality, the link you provided to media matters has the title ‘Media cite anti-abortion activist and Obama critic Jill Stanek as though she’s credible’, but if you read the article nowhere does it show she’s not credible

    13. Andy, unfortunately, they assume she’s not credible and then go from there. Assuming someone is inherently correct or incorrect is dumb no matter which ‘side’ you’re on, and it is, sadly, something neither ‘side’ is immune to.

    14. I agree, Sandy, I read Zorn’s piece the other day and it just made the whole thing more confusing. I think that was Zorn’s idea, you’d quit reading and agree with him.

    15. I keep doing google searches of ‘obama infanticide’, the count keeps going up it was 343,000 the last time. That includes all duplicates of course.

    16. “America should be a place where you can make it” – Micheel Obama, August 25, 2008, Denver, CO……unless of course, you’re an innocent newborn baby in the womb targeted for abortion.
      Does anyone with half of a brain believe any of this BS?
      Big Al:
      Wow, that’s an interesting name. Bet you really had to think about that one. Probably about as much as you thought about the qualifications of Obama.
      Yeah, I know the type. Squeal like pigs at the sight of a needle and the first one to tell all about little Suzie the night before.
      So you’re a big guy huh? Seems to me a big guy like you might want to protect an innocent child in the womb, no? What d’ya say Big Al, you prefer dilation and extraction or just stopping the beating heart of a tiny baby by poison injection? Or maybe Partial Birth Abortion is your kick? Yeah, pull ’em out half way, suck their brains out, and then let it be born….DEAD.
      And tell me this Big Al. What human being would ever vote against any bill that would support protection for a born alive infant targeted for abortion? What kind of human being would make any kind of excuse for voting against such a bill?
      I don’t even think a guy like Al Capone, another Big Al from Chicago, would think that killing a pre-born baby was a manly thing to do.
      And Big Al, if you’re Italian, you’re a freaking disgrace to your heritage. Or don’t you know your mama would never dream of aborting a baby? I know my Sicilian mama wouldn’t and she was 43 when I was born.
      And what’s Obama done for you and what do you think he’ll do for you if he becomes president? Maybe restore your manhood? Approve that liquor license. A wink on the zoning issue. C’mon Big Guy, what gives, what’s the payoff?
      Anyone that would call himself Big Al is well, anything but. Don’t believe me, just take another look. I know, compensatory thinking.
      One more thing Al. If you’re a Catholic, you know the kind that thinks by wearing a gold crucifix around his neck and makes the sign of the cross now and then, you know before he gambles, and by doing that gets some sort of holy dispensation from sin, I suggest you go bury your head in a catechism for a couple years because you obviously missed a few lessons.
      Here ya go…….
      Who is God? God is the Sumpreme Being.
      What is the purpose of life? To know, love and serve God?
      Adinfinitum.
      Then write this 500 times: “Abortion is a mortal sin. Committing it, supporting it and promoting it, if not repented of, will send me to hell”.

    17. HisMan:
      So why did the truth have to be distorted? Why the lies? Isn’t the act itself enough of an argument? What’s in it for Stanek other than getting yet another war monger elected to office?
      So where is the righteous indignation of the children that are being killed in the “war” on terror? How can you abhor one act and turn around and support another that is just as heinous?
      Save your self-serving religous zeal for someone that buys into your garbage – my faith in God has never been stronger… my faith in those who claim to spread the word of God has diminished considerably over the years. Your ridiculous attacks on me only serve to strengthen my views.
      I am very much pro-life – so much so that I will not support either of the mainstream candidates. I also have no patience for those that would twist the truth to suit their own needs. You have obviously decided to throw your support behind what you perceive to be the lesser of two evils but at what cost?

    18. Big Al:
      I doubt very much that you are pro-life. Pro-lie is much more likely.
      You come on this site and diss Jill, the most courageous pro-life woman on the planet, willing to put all on the line to demonsrate it. I see, Jasper countered your lies against your liar for hire.
      You try to make people think Jill lied about Obama, when Obama voted, not onece, not twice, but three times, against a bill that would have protected innocent children targeted for abortion at being murdered. What a freaking hack you are.
      So you’re outed buddy, another Liberal hack from Chicago or whatever hole you crawled out of.
      Try again, better yet, go away.

    19. Hal:
      Sorry to rain on your “Catholics for Obama Parade” but, here ya go, Mr. 9000:
      “Biden Pro-abortion Stance Will Cost Obama Election
      Monday, August 25, 2008 11:48 AM
      By: George J. Marlin
      The Obama campaign knows it is in trouble in the key swing states of Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Missouri, Indiana, and Wisconsin. Public opinion polls show that many practicing Catholics who voted for Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries as the lesser of two evils are now leaning toward the pro-life, pro-gun John McCain.
      To blunt this voting trend, Sen. Obama has chosen as his vice presidential running mate, a baptized Catholic from blue-collar Scranton, Pa.

    20. HisMan:
      Spin it any way you want – whatever makes you feel good about yourself because after all it’s really just about you, isn’t it.
      So now I’m a liberal hack? Why is that? Afraid to admit that you are just as bad as Obama? That you are willing to turn a blind eye to the killing that goes on in other parts of the world in the name of terror? It’s great that your so-called faith allows you this luxury.
      Jasper countered with Jill’s “explanation”. How about something substantial? Maybe Zorn’s retraction?
      And I apologize for all of the questions – I’ve been hoping that possibly you might have the courage to answer one of them truthfully at some point. Obviously I made a mistake in thinking you may actually be a man/woman of character.

    21. Big Al,
      Big Al: “Jasper countered with Jill’s “explanation”. How about something substantial? Maybe Zorn’s retraction?”
      Actually he refuted the blogger who posted about the issue. He also personally contacted Jill and explained where the confusion in his article arose. Do you want him to send a video of himself begging for forgivness or something?

    22. you know what i realized tonight?
      even if i disagreed with everything barack obama said
      even if he was opposed to everything i supported
      i think i could sit back and be happy that we’ve come far enough for him to be where he is
      it wasnt too long ago that watching videos of the civil rights era seemed closer in time than the possibility of a black president
      no matter how this election turns out, the bigots lost.

    23. I would give you that for sure. Its a shame that his ascendancy is marred by a violation of rights to another caste of people.

    24. Big Al:
      Perhaps you don’t believe what you wrote about Jill Stanek. You called her a liar. I guess dissing one of the most pro-life advocates out there squares with that?
      Perhaps you should get off your high horse and take on her mantle. I mean you’re gonna waste your vote. Now, that’s real leadership, a lukewrm pro-lifer. There’s no such thing. You sure you aren’t Al Gore? I mean not voting for Obama will guarantee legalized abortion for at least another generation. At least with McCain, we’ll have a shot at 3 maybe 5 conservative Supreme Court Justices.
      Democrat Barack Obama voted against John Roberts as Supreme Court chief justice.
      And if you base your decision not to vote for McCain on George Bush’s supposed inabilty to eliminate abortion, are you forgetting what the Democrats did? They filibusterd every appointee unless they passed an abotion litmus test. It’s amazing that he got Alito and Roberts in.
      McCain has repeatedly voted against federal funding for abortion; he has opposed federal Medicaid funds for abortion even in cases of rape or incest. He voted to require parental consent for abortion and voted to criminalize anyone but a parent crossing state lines with a minor to help get an abortion. McCain also supported a ban preventing women in the military from getting abortions with their own money at overseas military hospitals. He also has cast conservative votes on judges. In fact, McCain has never voted against a Republican nominee for the Supreme Court or federal courts, the Democratic National Committee pointed out.
      No one ever said Jill was perfect. But you don’t have a clue.
      For you to come on this site and claim to be a pro-lifer and attack her is ludicrous. You cut your nose off despite your face.
      And I do not support an unjust war. Where did you get that? I support a war when we take it to a vicious enemy, who if not dealt with forcefully, would do everything to destroy the country I live in and where my kids and their kid’s will be living in the future.
      And my son was a combat pilot in the Middle East for five years, so I had a lot to lose. If I could have taken his palce I would in a heart beat.
      Sorry, I show loyalty and faithfulness to friends and you’re not one.
      I suggest you apologize to Jill like a man and then come back on this site and explain why you are pro-life.
      I think you are a liar and I’ll prove it once you start posting or I will apologize. Go ahead, so far you’ve shown me nothing that gives me a shred of evidence that you’re pro-life. Match your values to what you say.
      Why are you pro-life? Why is abortion murder? What is the biblical basis for your view?
      And Zorn’s retraction as proof that Jill didn’t lie? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. You want me to believe anything a pro-abort says, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. The arseholes are willing to kill babies for goodness sake, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

    25. no matter how this election turns out, the bigots lost.
      Posted by: JustWitnessedHistory at August 25, 2008 11:58 PM
      I agree that race, ethnicity should never be a problem when running for an elected office. But I wonder if American’s would be so welcoming if a Muslim were in the running?
      Obama shouldn’t loose because he’s black (although if he does, people will blame it on that).
      HE should loose because he believes it’s okay to do something evil (abortion) to achieve a good. That is always unacceptable. Therefore, morally he doesn’t qualify to be the leader of his country.
      As for Biden, it’s even more terrible because he’s a proabort “Catholic”. Let’s hope his bishop acts in the way he should, and denies him Holy Communion.

    26. SoMg, you are right. His Man’s bigotry, ranting and threats accurately depict the RTL’s, and the persistent failure to remove or edit his posts shows that Jill and the moderators agree with him.

    27. Wasn’t it you SOMG who was removed from this site more than once for making death threats to the bloggers on this site?

    28. “Democrat Barack Obama voted against John Roberts as Supreme Court chief justice.”
      Roberts never saw government power he couldn’t uphold. The man will be a disaster, unless Obama appointments can keep him a permanent minority on the Court.

    29. Sandy, you’re not mistaken in your recollection.
      “Doctor Defense” is the name you’re thinking of…
      SOMG claims repeatedly that Doctor Defense is not the same person as him (he even goes so far to call him a “highly disreputable character” and has said that he has been investigated by the FBI on more than one occasion).
      Doctor Defense and SOMG share the same IP address, and SOMG says that is because they simply share a computer. I am not sure whether I believe him completely or not, but he has been honest as to other parts of his life, I am trying to give him a small benefit of a doubt.

    30. no matter how this election turns out, the bigots lost.
      Posted by: JustWitnessedHistory at August 25, 2008 11:58 PM
      I agree that race, ethnicity should never be a problem when running for an elected office. But I wonder if American’s would be so welcoming if a Muslim were in the running?
      Obama shouldn’t loose because he’s black (although if he does, people will blame it on that).
      HE should loose because he believes it’s okay to do something evil (abortion) to achieve a good. That is always unacceptable. Therefore, morally he doesn’t qualify to be the leader of his country.
      As for Biden, it’s even more terrible because he’s a proabort “Catholic”. Let’s hope his bishop acts in the way he should, and denies him Holy Communion.
      Posted by: Patricia at August 26, 2008 8:01 AM
      ……………………………….
      Oooooh! Scary! No wafer for you!
      Hopefully Biden won’t drop anything in the collection plate either.

    31. “SOMG claims repeatedly that Doctor Defense is not the same person as him (he even goes so far to call him a “highly disreputable character” and has said that he has been investigated by the FBI on more than one occasion). ”
      I’ve read Doctor Defense refer to abortion as “justifiable homicide” before, and SoMG is the only other person I’ve ever heard refer to abortion as that.

    32. “Oooooh! Scary! No wafer for you!”
      Amen, Sally.
      “Hopefully Biden won’t drop anything in the collection plate either.”
      Amen again!

    33. You’re right Bobby 7:15…this is one thing that makes me wonder, too. They both use the term “right-to-lifers” instead of pro-life, anti-choice, anti-abortion, etc.

    34. “Barack the Baby Butcher” is catchier than ‘Sen. Infanticide”.
      That said, Arlen should read Aaron D Wolf’s Chronicles column a few years back in which he argued that exhibiting photographs of those butchered babies merely compounds the crime. If a relative of yours was raped and murdered, would you want placards with photographs of the crime waved in the street? Treat the not-quite-born with the same respect.

    35. Re: the abortion-as-justifiable-homicide idea
      Bobby B., you surely know Professor Robert P. George, the celebrated Catholic legal theologian and member of President Bush’s committee on bioethics? Read this:
      http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/abortion/ab0041.html
      Money quote: “…supporters of the pro-choice position are increasingly willing to sanction the practice of abortion even where they concede that it constitutes the taking of innocent human life. Pro-choice writers from Naomi Wolfe (

    36. “Hmmmmmm. Maybe Doctor Defense and Professor George are the same person.”
      Haha, OK fair enough. I agree with Bethany that you are always in nothing else honest. I believe you when you say it isn’t you.

    37. Oh also my point was that you don’t hear your average internet pro-choicer using sophisticated language like “justifiable homicide.” I’d heard that phrase before, but from the professionals like you mention. That’s all.

    38. “Besides, I don’t think DD says abortion is justifiable homicide.”
      Ah, you are correct about this! I just looked up the Doctor Defense quote I was thinking of, and (s)he says
      “I was in Western Pennsylvania when Clayton Waagner was doing his thing. If he had killed anyone, I would have killed his wife Mary Waagner, and it would have been justifiable homicide, not murder.”
      http://www.topix.com/forum/baltimore/TDC9J7S37L7UA27RE/p2
      So I was misremembering. OK, I’m done with this topic now… for real this time…

    39. SOME PEOPLE will believe ANYTHING…that`s the MAIN sickness going around this country today..not the flu!!

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