Mass manipulation
An October 27 comment (#25) on the pro-Hillary blog HillBuzz has been making the blogospheric rounds. I understand Rush even read it yesterday.
The scenarios presented seem plausible, creepy, even scary. About the disclosure that people are paid to demoralize on blogs, Stanek moderators can attest I’ve suspected this here for some time, which is why we’ve been banning more lately.
The following is quite a read. The dynamics of this presidential campaign can’t be explained as pure politics. There’s something seriously crazy about it. This information would help account for some of its surrealness….
If your appetite for Sarah’s mea culpa has been whetted, she followed up with another comment on October 30 (#61). At the end she offers hope, real hope. Read on…
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Thank Jill, just like I suspected it. Thank you for the info.
I knew it! Thanks for posting, PEOPLE VOTE YOUR HEART!
Our goal is to make you lose your moral. I know she meant morale. :)
I hear and understand and that has been the battle all along. Those for McCain are treated with such disdain for going for such a loser and I, for one, will NOT LOSE HEART!! You may have noticed a lot of moderators not posting much anymore. Reading but not commenting. It gets to be too much at times. It has been months of comments about how BO has it in the bag.
Can’t wait to vote!!
what makes anyone think “sarah p” (sounds like a joke on Sarah Palin?) is not “playing a role” in her supposed confession? I think it’s more likely someone is playing to your paranoia by making up a campaign to ruin your morale. The letter seems too long and detailed to be what it claims to be, a confession. It contains at least three telltale signs of a lie: it contains unnecessary details, is more complicated than the obvious alternative, and it confirms what you want to believe.
I think this person is pretending that there is a sinister campaign to artificially enhance Barack Obama’s image, when in fact the truth is simple: he is a very charismatic person who has many, many legitimate supporters.
So Ellen – what do you do with the enormous amount of lying and backtracking that the Obama campaign has gone through – one of which has been his lying about rejecting the born-alive votes in the IL Senate? When the truth was revealed, he himself never owed up to it, though he had the temerity to call the National Right to Life Committee liars on a widely seen network.
He said he would use public financing, then went back on his word.
He refuses to produce documentation from his past that is critical for American voters to properly assess him.
The truth is simple: as charismatic as Barack Obama is being made to seem (along with all the show and tell features, like his own presidential seal, and a mock whitehouse, and over the top adoration), the smoke and mirrors are being seen for what they are – nothing. The facts, hard irrefutable facts, which can be gleaned from all his actions over the last eighteen months, conveys not a leader, but a puppet figurehead, with nefarious forces arrayed behind him.
His own gaffes, such as with Joe the plumber and remarks such as “bitter people clinging to their guns and religion”, combined with his mockery of Joe at other rallies, and the overwhelming violations and media blacklisting campaign against an average citizen who dared to ask him a serious question, are a truth that Obama can’t hide.
A presidental candidate of the United States should never openly mock a US citizen, and condone the media trashing that has occured against Joe. The MSM trashing of Sarah Palin has been despicable. A very telling indicator of death threats is the number of Secret Service agents surrounding her at the rallies. They’ve recently increased dramatically.
What do those activities portend? Is that the future, we, as a people, really desire? Or are we, as a people, no longer united?
We may not see all the facts of Obama’s past, we may not understand all the nefarious relationships he may be hiding, but based on the highly visible actions of himself, his selected VP, and his supporters, the truth is clear to those who wish to know it.
Without a reliance upon the immovable, tangible truth, one is set adrift upon a sea of evil.
That’s a journey our country can’t afford to make.
Ellen, and you could be Ellen Malcolm of EMILY’s List, couldn’t you? Your reverse conspiracy theory doesn’t ring true, because the email itself rings true with what we know.
Your only defense of Obama as one of his supporters is “he is a very charismatic person”? You don’t help your case.
Of course Obama has “many, many legitimate supporters,” people who honestly believe in him for whatever reason, “sheeple,” sarah p aptly calls them.
But I am confident this desribed underbelly exists, to whatever large or small extent. And why not to a large extent? He’s pulled in $650 MILLION. He’s got the means.
Sorry, but if giving a baby human rights is above his pay grade, I put nothing past B. Hussein.
“Steal, I mean, spread the wealth!”
“Support 4th Trimester Abortions. Vote Obama”
I heard just this week 2 cartoonist for newpapers in large cities (one was Dayton, Ohio) say they will have nothing to creat political cartoons about when Obama wins. ‘He is so aware and ‘with it’. This was just crazy. ‘He’s so smooth’. This was on NPR. Maybe if they look at the truth and do some real investigating of the news they would see what a liar he is. I don’t trust him on bit. I mean really, calling National Right to Life liars and no one in MSM picking up on this. It makes me ill.
Also wanted to add…
This womens comments seem to ring with some truth. Why would they spend that kind of money if they have this election won? Well, then again, just to waste money wounldn’t surprise me (just sicken me).
Dear Ellen,
What if you’re wrong?
Forget voting with your heart. Vote with your head.
This is incredibly paranoid and reeks of desperation. I LOVE it!
Of course they’re doing stuff like that. Ever look at one of the internet polls about “Who won the presidential debate?” Ten minutes into the debate there are already 100,000 votes for the Democrat candidate. It was true in 2004 and it’s true now. Then those polls are used along with others to “prove” that the Democrat is a better debater. This kind of trickery and deception is nothing new for liberals, who do not have souls.
Somewhere on my pc either at work or home I have an article snipped from Kos about this very thing. I’m not sure if they ‘paid’ in actual money or not, but you would get the satisfaction of Obama winning. The method was to flood blogs with questioning comments about McCain or Palin, inuendo, just short of trolling, sometimes actual trolling. Another method was to flood all online polls and rack up as many votes for Obama to skew the polls this way, thinking it is demoralizing when you go to vote in an online poll only to find it is 93% in favor of Obama. Us PUMA’s call them them bots or obots.
If I find the screed, I’ll post it.
Regarding the demoralization work by the Kossacks
It’s called Freeping for Jesus:
Link is: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/2/205127/601/705/612540
Read it and weep, or laugh.
steal, cheat and lie. The Obama campaign.
It is obvious that Hal, PPC, and Reality are a paid bloggers.
They should have all been banned along time ago.
I told you all a long time ago about this.
Keep the faith.
Pray.
God is in control.
McCain will win.
HisMan @ 11:20,
Paid bloggers. Agreed.
McCain will win. Amen!
It doesn’t “ring true” to me. It smells fake, not that somone couldn’t have similar views, but this person uses words and attitudes of the right. I don’t buy it.
And HisMan, be careful. You say “God is in Control, McCain will win.” What are we to draw from that statement if Obama wins? God isn’t in Control or God wanted Obama? I’m fine either way.
Hal,
Do you work for the Obama campaign?
I doubt any of those people are paid bloggers for any campaign, they’ve been here for far too long. IF a campaign was to do this (and if it is you can bet BOTH are doing it, one cant let the other have an advantage) they would throw this in towards the end (the demoralization). As for the swaps, obviously both sides have people claiming those stories (legitimate or not) there are people claiming to be PUMAs, when their true numbers are likely lower than they say, and people claiming they were republican who switched to Obama when clearly there arent likely to be too many who would do such a thing.
As for online polls- realistically they arent scientific, period. If you go to comment sections on any site that supports a candidate the link will be posted to a new network poll saying go vote for (Supported candidate), no matter if its McCain or Obama.
And again to touch upon their being paid bloggers here:
everyone has been very open of their support, and many indicate it does bias their posts. Why admit that if their being paid to SUBTLY demoralize the opposition? They can’t do anything if caught or banned, so again, why confess such open support or try to outright attack them? It simply hurts the campaign (the supporters seem like idiots) and just makes the other side angry, more driven, and laugh at those posters.
Dan,
Huh?
Janet-
My post jumped around a lot, im sorry. I couldnt keep myself focused, I was writing an article and typing that comment at the same time.
Quite simply, I dont think there are paid bloggers here. And you can bet if there are people paid to demoralize the opposition, both sides are doing it. Neither wants to be at a disadvantage, and the goal of said bloggers would be to demoralize without being obvious, so subtletly is necessary otherwise they will not be able to effectively carry out that work.
Make a bit more sense?
And I want to thank you all for reading my articles. In a little less than a month I’ve gotten 6,008 views, which will add about 20 bucks (I hope) in my pocket Nov. 15th if the rate keeps up. :)
Hal,
Do you work for the Obama campaign?
Posted by: Jasper at October 31, 2008 12:10 PM
Just volunteering as a good American Jasper.
Pssst, Jill. Real journalists check their sources – relying on a comment (not even another blog, but a comment on a blog) then trying for an air of authority by saying Rush even said it, is a clear indication that you are part of the problem and so far from being an objective journalist (a mantle you’ve tried to claim) that if it weren’t for the divisiveness you encourage in a country sorely in need of unity,it would be laughable.
“Keep the faith” is an admonition.
“Pray” is an admonition.
“God is in control” is a fact.
“McCain will win” is my opinion and hope.
Let’s take your sily post one point at a time CHris: “So Ellen – what do you do with the enormous amount of lying and backtracking that the Obama campaign has gone through – one of which has been his lying about rejecting the born-alive votes in the IL Senate? When the truth was revealed, he himself never owed up to it, though he had the temerity to call the National Right to Life Committee liars on a widely seen network.”
NO lie by Obama there Chris – state legislation and national are different – and thus a similarly worded law at the national level may have a far different effect than that at the state.
“He said he would use public financing, then went back on his word.” CA
No. The system as it stands isn’t fair – it allows unregulated 527 and PAC monies. McCain is the one who would have gamed the system by using PAC’s and RNC money and lobbying money – unregulated spending. Obama left the public money on the table and used grassroots support.
Obama wants the system fixed in order for public monies to be a truly fair system.
“He refuses to produce documentation from his past that is critical for American voters to properly assess him.” CA
Like what? His birth certificate – it’s there for all to see – and the idea that it isn’t real has been so debunked your even bringing it up is laughable.
“His own gaffes, such as with Joe the plumber and remarks such as “bitter people clinging to their guns and religion”, combined with his mockery of Joe at other rallies, and the overwhelming violations and media blacklisting campaign against an average citizen who dared to ask him a serious question, are a truth that Obama can’t hide.” CA
Joe the Plumber (who wasn’t really a plumber and is nowhere near being able to purchase a business – that tax lien and all) has now hired a publicist. Sorry CHris, regular citizens don’t have publicists. Joe isn’t some ordinary citizen – bet the RNC put him up to the initial question – can you say plant? since you see one in every Dem poster – could it be that you just assume it is – based on your own sides actions?
Joe chose this route. He is no longer a private citizen – he is a campaign prop of the RNC. As such, he’s fair game.
“The MSM trashing of Sarah Palin has been despicable. A very telling indicator of death threats is the number of Secret Service agents surrounding her at the rallies. They’ve recently increased dramatically” CA
What utter BS and innuendo! Not to mention illogical (might I also add slanderous and incendiary). Every single poll shows that Palin is a drag on the ticket – with the exception of the hard right base. If security has been increased, it’s to protect her from her own people. Everytime she opens her mouth, she alienates a few more moderate voters – heck, she’s the Dem’s best vote-getting weapon.
There was no Obama “gaff” with Joe the Wanna Be Plumber. If you watch the whole exchange, Obama looks great.
Careful Hal – Obama’s face can’t cave in before the election.
Amen, HisMan!!
Jill, please get this information sent to you to Hannity or O’Reilly to check out. I just received an email from a trusted source that an A.A. minister had her name and picture falsely put on a blog for supporting Obama when she preaches against ABORTION and HOMOSEXUALITY. She just sent out an email debunking the deceitful lies that were told about her supporting Obama. The A.A minister and musician that had an email letter telling why he has could not vote for Obama has received threats and his family has received threats. Pray Christian prolifers, do spiritual warfare. Pray Psalms 35 and the Lord’s Prayer. The pro-aborts are desperate, they will do anything or say anything. God bless.
HisMan: you are correct. God IS in control and there are lots of people praying for the right outcome. America may be in bad shape but it’s no Sodom and Gomorrah – YET!!
I suspect there are at least 4 paid bloggers on Jill’s site who purpose is to demoralize and debate silliness. It would only be logical.
Like I wrote on another thread the same sort of thing happened with the polls in Canada during our election. Harper was losing, Harper was only 3 points ahead, blah, blah, blah. Yet, when we drove around, all we ever saw were PC (Harper’s party) candidates signs. No one from the liberal candidate ever called me (but maybe that was because I ran him off the property 4 years ago!! hehe).
And Hal does puzzle me. For a supposed lawyer circling the block in your limo, you have a heLL of alot of time to post on a blog.
NO lie by Obama there Chris – state legislation and national are different – and thus a similarly worded law at the national level may have a far different effect than that at the state.
Posted by: phylosopher at October 31, 2008 1:06 PM
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You’re be-clowning yourself. Stop, it’s not pretty.
What utter BS and innuendo! Not to mention illogical (might I also add slanderous and incendiary). Every single poll shows that Palin is a drag on the ticket – with the exception of the hard right base. If security has been increased, it’s to protect her from her own people. Everytime she opens her mouth, she alienates a few more moderate voters – heck, she’s the Dem’s best vote-getting weapon.
Posted by: phylosopher at October 31, 2008 1:23 PM
Take the above post, from a person who thinks the mispelling of the ” love of knowledge”, increases his credibility wherever the person, named phYlosopher, post.
A appeal to the principle of BS and that famous paranoia, of “innuendo”.
Why not erase that post Mods? It’s worthless.
P person, is embarassing itself.
Total personal attacks, with not a shred of logic in the post.
But, let’s allow this “lover of knowledge”, to rank it’s post in matters of breaking the rules of logic.
One of your best self refuting post ever?
A close contest between ad nausem, reducto ad absurdum, or plain old, ad hominem?
Which one wins Phylo? Your ad nausem post or just your appeal to ridicule? Or, self refuting, contradicting, your moniker as a ” lover of knowledge””
To be polite, I have not mentioned the “intrinsic hypocrisy” of your chosen name, when you post such “false knowledge” by commiting logic fallicies as in the above post from you.
BTW, P, apppeal to ridicule is ad absurdum, if you haven’t figured that out yet?
Hey, did I just ridicule you as being one of the most illogical,rank propagandist, “lover of knowledge”, at this site?
Gee, that’s illogical or a contradiction of terms, for one to be a “lover of knowledge” and also a be a “lover of false knowledge”.
Dude, hang it up, your a example of being unable to post without the ad hominem and ridicule that makes you a embarassment to philosophy.
On my part, I can ridicule you as I want, since I carry no burden to not ridicule a person that uses a name that shouldn’t use ad absurdum fallicies in their post. You would think the idiot, who named itself after the science of “logical reasoning”, would hold themselve to a higher standard of logic.
But, that’s how ignorance and hypocrisy enters into the mind of the person named and mispelled as “phYlosofer”.
Right dude?
“Why not erase that post Mods? It’s worthless.”
You don’t want that to be the standard yllas, trust me.
Hal at October 31, 2008 3:52 PM
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Hal – I agree.
phylo @ 1:19,
Joe chose this route. He is no longer a private citizen – he is a campaign prop of the RNC. As such, he’s fair game.
The Dems went into his private files on government computers. Because he asked a politician a question, That’s OK?
Fox talked about this last night. With that logic, any news reporter’s private life is open game, any baseball player, any CEO of a corporation, orchestra director, phylosopher, etc….
Phylo 1:19PM
A campaign prop? Give me a break. Joe the Plumber, a very ordinary citizen, was tossing a football with his son in front of his own home when he was approached by Obama. I’m sure some prophet in the RNC foresaw B. Hussein Obama walking down a street in Ohio and set Joe up. Unlike Obama, Joe doesn’t mind the use of his middle name. Joe had the audacity to ask a direct question of Obama and Obama gave a response that showed his true self. Government should “spread the wealth”. Obama, as he often does, tripped over his own tongue, a common occurence without his teleprompter.
Joe is not licensed to be a plumber but can work for a licensed plumber. He may be in the process of serving an apprenticeship or plan to. My husband spent several years doing just that when he worked for a homebuilder. Like Joe my husband is not a member of a union. My husband, until he became a contractor, did not have to be licensed to build homes while he worked for a homebuilder.
Joe dreams of one day owning his own plumbing business. He better be careful not to make too much money or hire too many people. The Annointed One knows best how American citizens should spend their earnings.
Ordinary citizens also don’t have DNC operatives and their media lapdogs snooping into their lives. Aren’t the Democrats the party of the “little guy”? Where’s all the liberal outrage?
The guy has a tax lien? Well, fie on him! My husband and I had the IRS on our tail for two years because our accountant had Alzheimer’s and I recently got another notice from the state.
Like Joe, that must make us hardened criminals.
He hired a publicist? Great! He can thank your guy for being able to do so.
Mary, you are awesome!
It has been very obvious that the political hacks in Obama’s camp have been engaging in this mischief for months. One place where it has been especially evident is talk radio, where volunteers or paid staff have been monitoring and making calls to try to throw off the audiences. It seems that lately though the screeners are getting better at identifying the pretenders.
One of the more disturbing aspects of this multi-layered distortion approach is how it so accurately mimics the propaganda methodologies of our wartime enemies. One presumes that the smoke and mirrors image making would continue right on through an Obama presidency if it to become a reality.
A few months back one of the foreign news organizations did an interview with an Obama camp operative. In it the operative went on about how the campaign was a “juggernaut” that was going to roll over McCain. We will see.
It has been very obvious that the political hacks in Obama’s camp have been engaging in this mischief for months. One place where it has been especially evident is talk radio, where volunteers or paid staff have been monitoring and making calls to try to throw off the audiences. It seems that lately though the screeners are getting better at identifying the pretenders.
One of the more disturbing aspects of this multi-layered distortion approach is how it so accurately mimics the propaganda methodologies of our wartime enemies. One presumes that the smoke and mirrors image making would continue right on through an Obama presidency if it were to become a reality.
A few months back one of the foreign news organizations did an interview with an Obama camp operative. In it the operative went on about how the campaign was a “juggernaut” that was going to roll over McCain. We will see.
Eileen,
Thank you.
No. The system as it stands isn’t fair – it allows unregulated 527 and PAC monies. McCain is the one who would have gamed the system by using PAC’s and RNC money and lobbying money – unregulated spending. Obama left the public money on the table and used grassroots support.
Obama wants the system fixed in order for public monies to be a truly fair system.
Posted by: phylosopher at October 31, 2008 1:11 PM
Oh please, and you complain the Repubs whine? Give me a break. No one held a gun to Obama’s head and made him promise, HE DID THAT ON HIS OWN, and then WENT BACK ON HIS PROMISE. Just the first of many.
Waaa, waaa, waaa. Cry me a river.
Carder, 7:51 AM…you have always been SO good at those. I wish I had them as bumper stickers.
And Hal does puzzle me. For a supposed lawyer circling the block in your limo, you have a heLL of alot of time to post on a blog.
Posted by: Patricia at October 31, 2008 2:12 PM
Yes I’ve noticed that too. How interesting.
And here is an endorsement you need to see Hal. Already over 12 million hits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8
Go ahead.
Erase my post. Makes no difference to me.
And Chris, many of your post can be eliminated from this site. I don’t try and play the logician game as you do, and then shrug off a person as “begging the question”, as you did with Doug.
When trying to have a arguement/debate with a moral relativist, you lose every time by being unable to respond as a moral relativist does and thinks.
So tell me Chris, which post of yours should be easily erased from this site as being worth less then mine? Puff yourself up Chris, it’s good for your esteem, and bad for your humility.
Come on big ego Chris, lower yourself and name one post of yours at this site that you would remove as being just plain “erasable”.
None?
One?
Two?
And for Hal.
I would not want to be a client of your’s in any civil or criminal matter your involved with.
Hal; As usual your honor, your facts are wrong again, just as I argue daily with those who oppose killing innocent human life at that web site of Jill Stanek’s. They think they have a good argument against the taking of innocent life, but they don’t.
BTW, your honor, are you pro choice, or pro life, ask Hal.
Judge; Why, I’m for the killing of innocent human life, when weighed in the scales of my opinion, against a human being just making a mistake based on pleasure, a want, why do you ask?
Hal; Just asking.
Judge; Why did you ask?
Hal; I always wondered why I never lost a case of murder in your court, but now I must admit, your for the killing of innocent human life when it’s weighted against mistakes of pleasure, or should I say as my friend Doug writes, a unwanted act of life.
Judge; And?
Hal; It’s legal to murder innocent human life and name it anything but murder, which means you can’t convict anyone of murder that “wants” to murder innocent human life from mistakes of pleasure, and deep down in your heart, you know it. Your for allowing the murder of innocent human life, just as I am, Judge.
Judge Greer; Gotta go Hal, and remember, your contributions to my election, makes my pay grade actually higer then yours Hal. And don’t forget that.
Judge;
All I have to say is, I KNEW IT.
And, doesn’t really matter that much, as I already cast my ballot for McCain, as my husband will on voting day (a California vote for McCain, WOO!), much to his liberal mother’s chagrin.
I always did like an underdog. I always did hate “going with the flow”. As the only republican atheist I know, those people trying to dishearten me with talk of “everyone’s doin’ it!” accomplish nothing but getting me to ignore them, as “everyone’s doin’ it” is the dumbest reason ever to do anything. One thing I am proud of, though: my husband is straight from Iraq, and has little knowledge or news or politics over the last 11 months because they don’t have much access over there. He asked both myself and his mother about the candidates. He said that I was the only one who provided any policy facts, statistics, or substance. He said his mom’s rebuttal was pretty much “McCain is old. Barrack looks nice.” He said this wasn’t typical or her, and I believe it. She was a Hillary supporter before.
Xalisae,
Welcome back!! I hope you had an awesome reunion with your husband! He is back to stay??
if this lady was telling lies to the people of America, working for some one that she could not support just think about it what kind of a person is she. Money will by your sole. God help her.
x,
Good job!
only temporarily everyone. just popped in during a lull in the action while everyone was asleep but jr. and myself. i want to thank you all for your prayers and well-wishes. our son has really taken so well to his father, it’s amazing. we had a great halloween last night. dad was an angel, jr. was a little crusader, i was a devil, and our 6 year old was snow white. we’ve really been having a blast. take care, I’ll be back around the 13th of november.
Mary you are really some sort of naif.
Certainly your farfetched scenario is as ludicrous as Obama’s mother had a fake birth cert done because she knew he would one day run for the US presidency – which is why I never suggested it.
Certainly also a politician can talk to a “regular citizen” – that’s what good pols do. IT was McShameful who brought up Joe in the debate and then Joe who hopped on the Erratic Express. All he had to say was, look I’m an ordinary guy and don’t want to comment (as he did at first). Now, he’s in way over his head.
Phylosopher,
LOL. Your guy stepped in it on his own accord. His media toadies did everything possible to trash Joe because he made Obama, who should never be without his teleprompter, say what he is really all about.
Live with it.