Two questions:
What stands out in your mind as the biggest pro-life story of 2008?
Who would you nominate as Pro-Lifer of the Year for 2008? I’ll run a poll after getting suggestions.
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I would it has to be Sarah Palin: with her example of carrying a child to term that she knew (I believe she knew) would have Down’s syndrome and then helping her teenage daughter with her own pregnancy, she served as an example that life is always the right choice, even in two of the situations that “pro-choicers” cite as strong cases where abortion should be allowed. Without even saying much on the topic during the campaign, her example showed a greater message than any speech she might have could have provided.
Lila Rose, for her willingness to show the world with undercover video what Planned Parenthood is doing to protect child abusers.
Paul Smith, great post and great choice!
Hmmmm….biggest pro-life story of 2008? I’d say a toss-up between Sarah Palin (namely, her unpopularity among voters outside the conservative right) and Dr. Morgentaler being awarded the Order of Canada. Not encouraging stories for the Pro-life movement, but big nonetheless.
#1 Sarah Palin. The highest female prolifer in the land. Which REALLY infuriated the Left.
#2 Lila Rose. What’s cool is that there is more to come from her and her partner in justice.
“…I don’t want to know the age…” Ha!
What are you talking about? Sarah Palin was absolutely encouraging for pro-lifers.
The fact that liberals hated her so much for the silliest things was not a negative thing for us in the least – it was an awesome way for us to be able to witness them, without our help, showing the world how much they truly hate people when they choose life (especially for disabled children), or who actually walk the walk when when their daughter gets pregnant out of wedlock… It was proof positive that they don’t even really believe what they say about feminism, because they even attacked her for being a working mom! lol I found it wonderfully refreshing to see how brutally honest they became about what was in their hearts when Sarah Palin was running.
The world got to see them for what they really are- and it’s not the compassionate liberals that they want to paint themselves out to be.
Sarah Palin is a terrific example for us all, and I think that many, many lives have been saved as a result of her example.
Here’s my brownie points post.
I nominate Jill Stanek for giving her testimony to just about every conservative talk radio show AND Hannity & Colmes to an incredulous audience. All in the space of approx. 3 months.
And letting Obama have it with the Born Alive Truth 527 ad.
Amen, Carder! :)
Sarah Palin makes pro Life look splendid.
Lila Rose looks good and allowed pro abortion to look really bad.
What am I talking about? It can’t be encouraging to the Pro-Life movement that her Pro-Life/anti-choice/abstinence- only position did not appeal to the masses. Or it was not appealing enough to make up for the rest.
I already explained it to you, Asitis. I respect a woman of principle.
(you know, a woman who doesn’t let the “masses” dictate how she should believe)
Not Sarah Palin, not Lila Rose, definitely not Henry Morgentaler!
Sarah Palin helped take down Senator Ted Stevens in Alaska when she could have helped save a Republican Senate seat in a year in which that was absolutely a critical thing to do. Of course, she helped Saxby Chambliss in Georgia but he would have won anyway, I believe.
Also, when interviewed she said mothers and fathers should not be prosecuted for their freely chosen abortion crimes (wrong), that the killing of unborn children should be returned to the states (wrong, we need a federal statute), that the people should be able to decide whether or not to respect the rights of the unborn (wrong-they can decide not to?) and that her position was her own “personal opinion” (wrong, it represents natural law or moral law). I think she cares about unborn children but she could have done a lot better.
Lila Rose exposed the criminal sociopathology of Planned Parenthood, but we already knew that. The real problem is not covering up statutory rape, but the vast killing of millions of unborn children (that criminal organization has killed that many). If we focus on rape, we get sidetracked from the main argument. Lately, I have heard a lot about how PP covers up some rapes; I don’t want to hear this. I think we need to hear about how many human beings they have destroyed.
Who should be named? Perhaps nobody. I can’t think of anyone who has tremendously advanced the cause of ACTUALLY PROTECTING UNBORN CHILDREN. Our movement goes on year after year doing all the things we do and talking about what we do, but the vast slaughter of our children never seems to go away. Last year we had about 46,000,000 children die by this violence and I think we will have the same number die this year. Our movement simply has not done what it takes to end this evil and until we do, the loss of life will continue.
That’s fine Bethany. But it can’t be discouraging to your movement that those principles cost her the election or weren’t enough to get her elected.
oops! I meant to type ” But it can’t be ENCOURAGING….”
That’s fine Bethany. But it can’t be discouraging to your movement that those principles cost her the election or weren’t enough to get her elected.
Okay. Let’s say that it was her principles that cost her the election. Well, great! A politician sticking to principle despite opposition, wow! That is something to be admired, as rare as that is in politicians.
My vote goes to David Bereit!
oops! I meant to type ” But it can’t be ENCOURAGING….”
Nope, you were right the first time.
:)
Most definitely it’s good to see a politician stick to their principles Bethany even if those principles are unpopular!
I’d have to say the biggest pro-life story of 2008 was not one story but many stories:
All the unexpectedly pregnant, abortion minded women who changed their minds, delivered their babies in 2008 and having become pro-life had the courage to tell others their story.
I don’t think any other story comes close, because I know of a few babies in particular who wouldn’t be here, save the desire of their mothers to really understand and face the truth.
As much as I love to see the courage expressed by Sarah Palin, Jill Stanek, Gianna Jessen and Lila Rose, nothing beats those stories of personal change and candid courage.
A second place would have to go to:
Women and men who for the first time have publicly declared that past abortion killed their child and yet they found forgiveness and redemption in Christ, and were accepted by those who they felt would shun them.
Those are challenging stories to tell, but I think both really capture what we in the pro-life movement are really working towards – a view of life that is infinitely valuable, and worthy of our greatest love. No matter how much celebrity or political excitement, nothing touches the impacts of lives changed I witnessed myself over the last year.
My vote goes to David Bereit!
Posted by: Aaron at January 2, 2009 1:45 PM
I also would pick Sarah Palin. I was shocked to discover that something like 90% of downs preborn babies are aborted now. Did not know that before Sarah Palin was picked to run with McCain. She brought out a lot of issues people need to know.
David Bereit.
Two campaigns… a minimum of one thousand lives saved.
The 40 Days for Life Campaign. That really made a DIRECT and measured impact on hundreds (possibly 1000?) of children’s lives. They are alive because of the prayers of the saints and because of the loving testimony given to mothers considering abortion. Now THAT is something to talk about! :)
“I already explained it to you, Asitis. I respect a woman of principle.
Posted by: Bethany at January 2, 2009 1:23 PM”
Yup. Woman of principles. *Cough*”TROOPERGATE”*cough* Yup. She’s got great principles.
I’d say the biggest pro-life story of 2008 was the election of Obama. (I don’t think it said the story that was best for the pro-life movement?)
Does it count if it didn’t actually happen this year? I think the BAIPA thing was the biggest pro-life story. I consider it more an issue relating to Obama’s candidacy than to the actual issue itself, because I don’t think it would have been anywhere near as big a story if it were not told in opposition to an Obama presidency. So I kind of consider it part of “this year.”
Personally I’d still like to hear why the other guys voted against the act, as well. But I’m one of those people who always assumes that there can’t possibly be an easy answer, that the response to the question, “Why did someone do that?” is never as simple as, “Because they’re bad/stupid/wrong.” So I constantly second-guess my perception of situations that seem indefensible or absurd. But still, I have heard people who otherwise are gung-ho about abortion rights express shock at the BAIPA thing, and I think that even getting some pro-choicers to consider a vote alongside abortion rights to be indefensible is a pretty big story.
Biggest story?
It’s a toss-up between the war to label BC pills as abortion and the protracted and failed legal harassment of Tiller’s clinics in Kansas.
Prolifer of the year? That conservative law professor who stood up for Obama and raised a big hub bub when he was denied communion.
Doug Kmiec
“If one strategy has failed and failed over decades,” Kmiec told Salmon, “and you have empirical information that tells how you can honor life and encourage women to make th[e choice to keep their child] by meeting real needs that are existing and tangible, why not do that?”
It’s not often I think Prolifers seem reasonable.
Lila Rose, then Sarah Palin.
There is child out there somewhere who was scheduled for destruction, whose mother changed her mind at the last minute. That mother made a selfless choice to give her child every opportunity to succeed in life, to fulfill the destiny that was ordained only for her/him. Tens and hundreds of thousand of other children were denied that same opportunity and we are poorer for it. That child is a survivor. He/she will grow in wisdom and grace and the trials of life will not diminish her/his capabilities, but will enhance them. And in the fullness of time she/he will change the world in big and small ways, one life at a time.
LORD grant us the grace to see the gifts and talents with which YOU have endowed every human being YOU have called to life. Let us treasure the uniqueness and diversity in each individual person. Open our hearts O Lord that we may see what YOU see in our fellow man. Help us to encourage them in the quest to to fullfil the destiny YOU had in mind for them before they were even that single cell in their mothers womb.
I am reminded of baby boy who was born into slavery. He was forcibly removed from his mother while he was still an infant. He only saw her a few times in his remaining childhood for just a few hours at at time. He never knew his biological father. It could hav been his ‘master’ or some other black slave selected only for the purpose of breeding a sturdy and dependable laborer.
The boy witnessed and sufferred the indignity of slavery. He carried the reminders in the flesh of his back and many year later when he had escaped from the slave system, he began to speak and write forcefully and eloquently for his people were still subject to the taskmaster’s whim and his whip.
When challenged by the apologists for the slave system as to his authenticity, he removed his shirt and exposed his bona fides etched in his black skin to the scoffers and doubters. But even then the bigots, who where blinded by their self emposed willful ignorance refused to believe this self educated black man could ever be their equal, much less their superior.
This former slave went on to serve in President Abraham Lincoln’s administration and in subsequent administrations. Lincoln identified him publicly as his friend, Frederick Douglas.
Frederick Douglas changed his world and ours for the better. He fulfilled his destiny in God. He was a follower of Christ and his relationsip with God informed both his heart and his mind. He measured all of life against the knowledge of God.
God give us men and women of destiny who will not compromise with the world systems, but whose heart is steadfast on saying and doing only those things which they know will be pleasing to YOU.
yor bro ken
I would nominate Jill Stanek, Lila Rose, Gianna Jessen and Operation rescue…
Cameron, “a war to label BC pills as abortion”? I thought you were kidding when I read that. But no…. Holy crap. Wonders never cease.
Kristi Burton, The Personhood movement is going to end abortion. Plus, you and Lila have won enough awards this year and Palin got enough press to last three lifetimes. Lol.
I agree with Chris A. on this one.
However I think Bristol Palin is important too. Imagine when she learned she was pregnant. Her mother was already a public figure in the community. Yet she made the choice to face her difficulties head on and choose life for her little baby. Having counselled teens outside abortion “clinics” I can say this was a monumental decision taken with great courage and maturity.
Yeah, I gotta go with either Kristi Burton or Bob Enyart or even the entire ARTL leadership for their promotion and success at getting PERSONHOOD on the ballots and giving people some awareness to go along with voting on it.
That provided THE MOST HOPE for success in the future for pro-life victories since Obama is about to wipe out all the meager gains (with some alleged “gains” not being gains at all, but just vile pro-abortion laws) made by the incrementalists over the years.
This was the year that incrementalism began its quick death and personhood got a firm foothold in the pro-life ranks to change the direction of the future for many years to come.
FYI – Sarah Palin would be a foolish choice to put up for vote BECAUSE she waffled greatly on abortion for rape and incest.
Before being picked for the McCain ticket she was firm in opposing abortion for rape and incest, but once she got on the McCain lame train express she changed her response to the question when asked during national interviews.
I hate her for it. I do. She let all of those babies down. She could have said “I promote loving the innocent child and killing the rapist. Not the other way around as you do” or something like that, but she didn’t in an attempt to try and fool people into voting for her and McCain.
Palin is one of the biggest losers of 2008 because she ruined her future for running for popular office and compromised her positions in that attempt.
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Suggestions for the poll:
Fr. Frank Pavone
Jill Stanek
Sarah Palin KEEPING Trig.
Her daughter Bristol keeping her baby although unwed at the birth of the child.
Those two are the ones I remember.
:)
I would nominate Gianna Jessen for having the courage to film those two Obama BAIPA ads and withstanding the hatred that followed and for speaking to the Aussie Parliament.
I would toss in the question… what image do you remember that best captures the pro-life movement in 2008?
Picking Pro Lifer of the Year is like picking the Detroit Lions’ MVP. Both teams went 0-16.
James,7:25 in response to your latest post, let me quote the United States Supreme Court:
Go sell crazy somewhere else, we’re all stocked up here.
I think you and your buddy Philip Berg, Esq. need to go back to his previous obsession, proving George W Bush planted explosives in the World Trade Center and orchestrated the 9/11 attacks.
It’s pure hypocrisy for anti-choicers to praise Sarah Palin for giving birth to a Down syndrome baby and her daughter for having a child herself.
The Palin family has the means to take care of these two babies. They won’t grow up poor, unwanted, malnourished, neglected, abused and poorly educated.
But conservatives support Republican presidents who want to make abortion illegal, but refuse to do anything to see that poor, unwanted children will be subsidized, and to improve the quality of our schools and teaching so that those children will have a chance for a decent life. Just saying that poor preganat women should give up their children for adoption is not a viable alternative. It just won’t work. There is still no guarantee that those children will grow up alright.
We already have plenty of children waiting for adoption.
Sarah Palin: pro-lifer of the year, pro-woman of the year, pro-person of the year, pro-what-it-means-to-be-a-true-follower-of-Christ-Christian-of-the-year.
To everyone: I hope 2009 is a great year in that you all come to a saving faith in Christ Jesus The Lord. For apart from Him you can do nothing.
Yep Robert:
Let’s add a quality of life guarantee to the Constitution. We’ll call it the Robert Berger amendment.
It will say:
“The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is guaranteed to all who can prove, at conception and prior to birth, that they can live happy, healthy, and prosperous lives. Those who can’t meet this qualifications will all be terminated.”
Mr. Barger, you are a bonafide nut case and your man won the election. God help us.
robert berger, I remember you. Aren’t you the one who claimed to be a pastor but supported BHO???
First do you know how many approved couples are waiting to adopt??? Do you know the average wait to adopt??? We should not birth babies unless we can guarantee them a wonderful life??? What planet do you live on?? As someone who worked in social work, we have many subsidies and programs to help the disadvantaged. Most of them ended up producing a dependency and did not work. We still have more programs than any other nation to help the poor.
Again, what planet are you living on??? So if there is a glimmer that the child might have some hardships, we should kill them??? With that reasoning, everytime a breadwinner gets laid off or there is a divorce or a parent dies leaving minor children, we should the children rather than think they may have a disadvantaged life. Amazing!!!!!
On the subject of Sarah Palin…. I see she has just been awarded the Worst Political Quote of the Year Award for this:
Q: One of the things you talked about last night was the flexibility the vice president has– PALIN: Yeah.
Q: –Uh. What did you mean by that?
PALIN: Uh. That thankfully our founders were wise enough to say we have this position and it’s constitutional — vice president will be able to be not only the position flexible, but it’s gonna be those other duties as assigned by the president. A simple thing.
She makes Caroline Kennedy look good!
Those poor and pregnant women wouldn’t be poor if we all(Robert!!)held out our hand to them. Poor and pregnant can actually lead to a woman who is encouraged by support and given a chance to be a mommy. It might be a stretch for you to believe that Mr. Berger but it happens.
We have 4 children. We cannot afford them. What to do. What to do.
pro-life image of the year
No, I’m not a pastor. I’m a non-observant secular Jew, but not an atheist.
I am no nut case. i just realize, like other pro-choice people, that you cannot make stupid and futile laws decreeing that all women who are pregnant must bear those children, or else.
These laws just don’t work. they never have and never will. There is absolutely no way to enforce such laws. And there are far more abortions in countried where this is illegal than those where it is permitted. Abortion is not murder. It’s the termination of a pregnancy. Life begins at birth. Don’t you people get this?
But the law that says we can kill our children throughout all 9 months of pregnancy for any reason has worked?? How??
List for me all of the benefits, as you see it that legalized abortion has brought our country? How does abortion HELP????
I fed the troll AGAIN. Dang it. I just broke my New Years resolution. Bah.
Zeke, 7:18 “personhood” lost 25-75 statewide and lost big in each and every county in Colorado, including losing 35-65 in El Paso County,(Colorado Springs, Haggard, Dobson), the right wing nut capital of the United States.
Interesting that Bob Enyart has deemed himself the “personhood”sponsor. I am sure that “personhood” will do much better across the country when people learn that its “sponsor” spent time in jail for mercilessly beating a 7 year-old with a belt. Pro-life at its finest.
Jasper,
I love the photo!! I also love that it says Not for public use across it. :)
LOL, Carla — hey, your words are never wasted.
“not for public use” That is funny Carla! I didn’t see that. Guess Sarah didn’t either!
Want to know the benefits of legalized abortion ? How about a tiny handful of women dying from them, as opposed to the thousands before Roe v Wade ? To object to abortion because a woman might die is ridiculous. Far more people die in heart surgery or other medical procedures than abortions. People have died from botched appendectomies.
Also, the benefit to society. When large numbers of poor, unwanted children are born,
it only increases poverty, unemployment and crime. We have enough of that already.
We have enough difficulty providing for those poor children who ARE born.
What good is it bringing children into the world who will never get decent food, shelter, clothing, education and medical care ?
Malnourished children suffer from stunted mental development and lowered intelligence. Combine this with woefully inadequate education and you get more and more dropouts. Resulting in more poverty, unemployment, crime, illegitimate children etc.
It’s a vicious cycle.
Unless we find a way to decrease poverty, provide better education and opportunities, reduce unwanted pregnancies etc, things will never get better. This is why I am pro-choice.
And Honorable Mention Pro-Lifer of the Year goes to Eduardo Vestuaragi(sp?) because he’s hot, he’s outspokenly pro-vida, he’s hot, he’s saved babies in front of abortion facilities, he’s hot, and he produced those bilingual anti-abortion ads.
My dos centavos.
Robert.
Provide some unbiased stats and I just might be able to listen to the utilitarian opinions.
There are so many dedicated pro-lifers that give of themselves unreservedly that it is difficult to name any single person.
The movement that David Bereit has started has tremendous power. Lives have been saved, clinics closed, and abortion industry workers converted.
Jill Stanek’s tireless dedication gives solid pro-life witness, and her blog a forum for spirited discussion. Her appearances on national MSM gives pro-life a credible public face.
Perhaps it is the baby that Jill cradled in her arms while it was dying is the person that deserves the designation–not only for this year but in years past for enabling the Born Alive legislation. Had it not been for that little baby a nation would not have been shown the fundamental error of its ways.
Finally, we must not forget that through the executive decisions and efforts of President Bush, untold thousands of unborn babies have had their lives spared worldwide. A Supreme Court is in place that gives us a fighting chance to overturn Roe v. Wade. His efforts to combat AIDS has also saved countless lives. And yet he is despised by the hard left unlike none other.
Hello Eileen! Hi Virginia! :)
Carder,
Do you think Ed is hot? Be honest.
tiny handful of women dying? I believe that Christina from RealChoice could beg to differ as she has kept a tally of women who have died POST R vs W. And thousands did NOT die prior to the baby killing legalization. That was an exageration created by the group NARAL to get abortion legalized!
And I agree — Lila Rose for her courageous undertaking of undercover work to expose Banned Parenthood.
Carla,
Slightly.
Hey Berger! Name this commentator. You get three chances.
“Democracy, after all, is geared toward participation and engagement, and it’s based on a common faith: every human being is of infinite and incalculable value, each a unique intellectual, emotional, physical, spiritual, and creative force. Every human being is born free and equal in dignity and rights, each is endowed with reason and conscience, and deserves, then, a sense of solidarity, brotherhood and sisterhood, recognition and respect.”
Hint number one: it’s a guy.
Go for it.
D.C. Carder?
What’s the connection with Bergen? Excuse me, but I’m relatively new here…………
Asitis,
Since Berger ranted about why he was pro-choice (see his 1:20pm essay “Want To Know The Benefits of Legalized Abortion?”), I thought I could contrast his utilitarian view of individuals with someone who is, shall we say, utilitarian to be sure, but can sure sing Kumbaya when it’s advantageous.
According to Berger’s proven scientific opinion, life begins at birth. This liberal mystery writer’s perspective tends to be a little more encompassing. And yet, I would bet my bailout dollar that he would embrace Berger’s misplaced compassion.
You’re welcome to play “Guess That Commentator”, too.
Let’s review: Three chances. He’s a “he”.
Jasper’s choice of the photo of Palin, and the many references to her are interesting, in view of the many people in AK who do not think she is Trig’s mother. Palindeceptions.com is a website dedicated to the question.
Her refusal to release the birth certificate or any medical records, the concealing of the pregnancy from her mother and the citizens of AK until well within the 7th month, the claim of a 10 hour plane ride from TX to AK after her water broke, not appearing pregnant a few weeks before the birth, etc. have raised a lot of questions.
I don’t pretend to know the answer, but I do understand how Palin’s obsession with secrecy, deception and self-promotion have lead to doubts.
Was I right on the initials D.C.?????
BTW Berger said he is a Jew. Don’t jews beleive that human life begins at birth? If so, it would be his religious belief, n’est ce pas?
And why would someone who is vehemently pro-life have an amniocentesis anyway?
Bystander, I agree there are enough wonky things around that pregnancy/birth to lead anyone to tin-foil cap status!
Well, hey, I gave away a second clue by accident. No matter. Still fun.
He’s a liberal. A liberal’s liberal.
Asitis,
Just carder. No D.C.
Carder, are the initials D.C.?
Asitis,
Just carder. No D.C.
Posted by: carder at January 3, 2009 4:23 PM
Not yours! The source of the quote.
According to Berger’s proven scientific opinion, life begins at birth. This liberal mystery writer’s perspective tends to be a little more encompassing. And yet, I would bet my bailout dollar that he would embrace Berger’s misplaced compassion.
Posted by: carder at January 3, 2009 4:05 PM
Okay…. so Bill Ayers believes in democracy and equal rights for all people. Berger believes for religious reasons at least, that human life begins at birth and that women should have the right to choose and that we need to reduce unwanted pregnancies and provide better support for poor children that are born.
I’ll bite. What are you suggesting?
Not all Jews agree on abortion. Many are pro-choice. Generally, it’s the orthodox Jews who are opposed to abortion rights,
but they are the most conservative and traditional. This is not to be confused with conservative Judaism, which is not the same as Orthodox, if less liberal than reform Juadaism. Myself, I’ve never been observant.I don’t go to Synagogue or observe Kosher dietary laws. These dietary laws are just ancient superstition.
I like pork, and people have been eating it all over the world without any problems for thousands of years.
Jesus was not only a Jew, he would be appalled at the attitudes of many people today who call themselves Christian(not necessarily you Christians on this site).
They make a mockery of everything he stood for.
Carder…
FYI… Berger’s argument is that you all are hypocrites.
FYI… Saying “life begins at birth” is not scientific by any stretch of the imagination.
It looks like your trying to start the asinine prolife “it’s alive” it’s “human” strawman equivocations.
You all know you’re not going to convince anyone that an embryo is a person… so you equivocate and invoke biological criteria that is neither necessary or sufficient to establish person.
… as though neither the sperm or egg were alive, and as though conception is somehow more meaningful than viability.
The reality is that personhood is a philosophical concept.
The nature of your dishonest equivocation is to humorously pawn off biological life (metabolism sin viability) as philosophical life (experience/agency). Alternatively, to assert that biological membership to the species human is supposedly philosophically personhood.
Alas… the whole world knows an acorn is not a tree.
I like pork too Berger (mmmmmm bacon….) so I would definitely not make a good Jew! For that matter, I like sex for the sake of sex so I never made a good Catholic!
Ham is a beautiful thing.
Very true Cameron. And by saying an acorn is not an oak tree does not mean we are suggesting it is a beech tree. (Which is what some people here would accuse us of!)
Ham IS a beautiful thing Carder! So is sex for that matter.
Pro-Lifer of the Year – David Bereit for all he’s done through 40 Days for Life
I’d nominate Leslie Unruh, the VoteYesForLife.com staff, & Steve Hickey
They worked tirelessly to try and pass an abortion ban in SD
But they failed…………
Pro-lifers of the year:
#1 – Sarah Palin, a walking endorsement for the pro-life movement, so powerfully pro-life that the media focused its full efforts on destroying her. She endured endless ridiculous attacks from a media which painted her as a corrupt idiot when she is obviously less corrupt than Obama (who is best friends with Rezko, Blago & Rev. Wright) and less of an idiot than Obama (who once said that he visited “57 states” in America, called one of them “New Pennsylvania”, and while talking about asthma medication, first called the device used to treat asthma attacks a “breathalizer”, then corrected himself and called it an “inhalator”. Of course it’s actually called an “inhaler”, so, yeah, let’s put this guy in charge of health-care, sounds like a great idea…). But, I’m sure you Obamanazis know all about every mistake or incomplete answer Sarah Palin ever spoke, and the Fey-ification of her remarks to make them sound dumber, but I’m also sure you didn’t know (or care) that Obama slyly gave Hillary Clinton the finger during a debate. I guess that means it’s pro-woman for a man to flip off a woman now?
#2 – Gianna Jessen, who courageously stepped into the political realm to speak out against Obama’s historical support of unbelievably extreme pro-abortion measures. Of course, for doing this, she was viciously smeared by our candidate of “hope” and “change” who would definitely never say anything bad about anybody because that’s “old politics”. Naturally Obama and his Obamanazis were allowed to get away with calling Gianna Jessen a liar for telling us exactly what Obama did as a member of the IL state senate, because the far-left media did everything it could to make sure Obama was going to win the election.
Considering the evil hatred that was launched at Palin and Jessen by Democrats, I find it interesting that I’ve been seeing a lot of those “Had Enough? Vote Democrat” bumper stickers lately. I think they should sell one which reads, “Hate America? Vote Democrat”. Then we can see how long it takes for the loving, peaceful Obamanazis to key your car.
Pro-abort of the year should always be the same “person”:
#1 – Satan. Considering that every pro-abortion and phony “vote Obama for pro-life” argument actually comes from the mouth of Satan, who the Obamanazis revere as their god, whether they will admit it or not, Satan should always be pro-abort of the year.
#2 – Obama, who learned from Saul Alinsky how to deceive people. And who did Alinksy dedicate his book to? That’s right – Satan. So just as Aristotle was ultimately a pupil of Socrates with Plato being the middleman, Obama is ultimately a pupil of Satan.
“Sarah Palin, a walking endorsement for the pro-life movement, so powerfully pro-life that the media focused its full efforts on destroying her”.
No, she pretty much did that herself John. Especially when she had rare opportunity to go off-script.
Here’s an example: Here’s Katie Couric asking Palin what newspapers and magazines contribute to her world view(a valid question). Palin flubs the answer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyoafptEm5c
Palin tried to spin in later in interviews with Fox News and others by saying she was merely annoyed at the question being asked “What do you read UP THERE IN ALSAKA”. Shucks! We read what you’se guys read down there in the rest of the U.S.A.
Okay, yep…. thing is Couric was asking what she, Sarah Palin, read to stay informed. There was no “up there in Alaska” in the question. Nice try Sarah. Two strikes.
Alas… the whole world knows an acorn is not a tree.
Posted by: Cameron at January 3, 2009 5:35 PM
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Cameron – An acorn, a seed, is a nascent oak tree. It doesn’t show the characteristics of a full grown tree, but that doesn’t change the kind of thing it is – a germinal oak tree. The substance of flesh and blood of the unborn is a human kind of substance, and it exists – it is a human being. This is basic biology. You’re trying to make your case on the difference of development.
We don’t kill human beings because they aren’t fully developed. A toddler has just as much right to life as a full grown adult. Philosophically, if such a difference does not change rights between other development stages of a human being, there is no reason to believe it should change for those yet to be born.
As for your philosophical argument regarding personhood: You define personhood as a basis for granting moral agency. I’ll accept your philosophical construct of person as valid provided you pass the same test you give the unborn – kill the body, the flesh and blood.
If you can pass that test, then obviously your “moral person” is not intrinsic to your body. Otherwise you’re placing a restriction upon the pre-born human beings that you yourself cannot endure.
That’s called discrimination.
Hmmm… I’ve heard of people tying themselves to massice old oak trees slated for demolition by developers, but never tying themselves to acorns!
asitis at January 3, 2009 7:50 PM
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If you want to compare soundbites – let’s look at Obama lying about his votes on IL BAIPA on CBN and then having a staffer admit that he was wrong less than 24 hours later.
NRLC should have sued him for libel.
Here’s another example of that evil MSM trying to destroy Sarah:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nokTjEdaUGg
Oh wait…. she’s the one who just keeps talking and talking and talking…….
“But they failed…………”
Posted by: asitis at January 3, 2009 6:12 PM
But didn’t we all fail? Our president elect is pro-death/abortion
Speaking of sound bites Chris, here’s a goodie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npUMUASwaec
I almost feel bad for her. In so over her head!
Posted by: asitis at January 3, 2009 7:56 PM
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You’re making my point – thanks!
Pro-choice didn’t fail lou lou. We won!
You’re making my point – thanks!
Posted by: Chris Arsenault at January 3, 2009 8:02 PM
How so Chris? That’s Palin doing the talking.
Hahahahahahahah sorry… just being a brat. I’ll stop now. Promise.
Hey Cameron:
I’ll bet you a billion bailout dollars that if acorns became a profit making delicacy or their “choice to demise” resulted in a life convenience and they started to dissappear, even you, as well as all the value twisted liberal environmentalists out there, would find a biological way to twist what an acorn was.
You see, since you are blind to God, you cannot fathom how any of us belivers/pro-lifers feel or think on the matter. To us, embryos are not just cells of non-sentient mass but an expression of God’s intent. He does say we are planned from the foundations of the earth you know. And since we respect and fear God and what He can and ultimatley will do against a rebellious people, we seek to please Him.
I do not expect one so ignorant of such a magnificnet God to understand for one moment what a human embyro means or be able to comprehend its incalcualble value and our horrific sorrow at its senseless and never justifiable destruction.
Here’s another thing. How one so educated as you of the wonders of life, can so callously and arrogantly be so set in stone about your opinions on abortion is indicative of utter stupidity. You either know every thing there is to know about life and creation and are therefore able to make such judgements without fear of error or you foolishly place yourself on a higher plain of judgemnet than the rest of us simply because you know really, just a “little bit” more, than most on the subject. It’s very dumb.
Posted by: asitis at January 3, 2009 8:05 PM
Check the time stamp – I’m referring to the massive trees.
Robert,
You said….”It’s pure hypocrisy for anti-choicers to praise Sarah Palin for giving birth to a Down syndrome baby and her daughter for having a child herself.
The Palin family has the means to take care of these two babies. They won’t grow up poor, unwanted, malnourished, neglected, abused and poorly educated.
But conservatives support Republican presidents who want to make abortion illegal, but refuse to do anything to see that poor, unwanted children will be subsidized, and to improve the quality of our schools and teaching so that those children will have a chance for a decent life. Just saying that poor preganat women should give up their children for adoption is not a viable alternative. It just won’t work. There is still no guarantee that those children will grow up alright.
We already have plenty of children waiting for adoption.”
I dont think you know what hypocrite means. How are we hypocrites for supporting someone who did not abort, even though they had the financial means to raise the child? What does that have to do with any form of hypocrisy?
I also find it fascinating that you believe adoption “wont work” because it cannot guarantee that the children will “grow up alright.” Do you think there is ANY guarantee that ANYONE will grow up alright? Besides, when and how do we determine who has the option to continue living or not based on what we think is a good enough life? It is not only preposterous but also downright terrifying.
Robert: ” How about a tiny handful of women dying from them, as opposed to the thousands before Roe v Wade ”
Let me ask you a quick question. Are you using reason alone to make this statement or did you make this statement based on a sufficient observant study (preferably studies)? I noticed that when you were called on this earlier, you simply did not respond, a typical pro-choice tactic. Is it because you didnt look at any statistics before you made that comment, emphasis on the word before?
This is what is wrong with the average “thinker.” They use reason alone to build a premise without observing what actually happens. It essentially comes to a veiled circular reasoning really. You think that legalized abortion is helpful, so to prove this you establish as a premise that women died from illegal abortions in great number before it was legalized in the US. The switch is where did you come up with THAT? Well, in your head you just know that legalized abortion is wonderful, so obviously illegal abortion is bad, so obviously women died from them.
Be careful how you think there Robert. Reason unfortunately is not always sufficient to conclude what is happening in the “real world.” Our world is too chaotic and there are too many unquantifiable or unforeseen variables.
Now of course Im sure you will either not post again and “not see” this post, or you will respond back with some statistics that seem to support a significantly greater number of deaths due to illegal abortions before the legalization of abortion in the US, but what I want you to secretly consider is, did you come up with your belief after seeing the information, or did you assume the belief to be true based solely on reason and then as a result found statistics that supported your idea?
Cameron,
I see you are still the platitude throwing paper tiger Ive come to know you as. Keep in mind that you have been trounced enough times without retort or capitulation now that you have revealed yourself to most people here as a fake. Its easy to claim something, but as you have learned, it is much harder to back it up.
And by the way, the acorn is a tree, regardless of what “the whole world” thinks. Not that you care to really respond to rebuttals anyways.
Asitis: yes, ham is quite the chow. Especially in a pot of black beans.
And thank you for granting me that “duh” moment. No, not DC. Yes, BA. What a bastion of universal love, that Billy Boy. You won.
Cameron, you stole my line. Berger despairs over the horrors of this existence, puts forth all sorts of remedies brought to us by the good folks at Big Abortion. I respectfully requested unbiased sources for his claims, but I’m given some beechnut/ oak tree/ acorn mush. And a mini lesson on Judaism to boot.
MK’s cookie dough analogy was much better. And scrumptious.
Pro-choice didn’t fail lou lou. We won!
Posted by: asitis at January 3, 2009 8:03 PM
you THINK you’ve won.
What have you won?
The right for women to destroy, murder, kill their own children whenever, whereever and however they want. Not even the baby’s father can protect his child.
I am disgusted that your idea of equality is for a woman to have the right to kill her own baby under the guise of bodily autonomy.
And since you’ve had children you KNOW, that when you first found out you were pregnant you weren’t grow a toad in your uterus, or a potential human being. You KNEW, as a woman you were nurturing and grow an brand new, unique life – a baby that you and your husband made.
If you didn’t know this asitis, then you have serious serious problems and they are a lot deeper than anyone on this BB can ever help you with.
Oliver! Arsenault! Hisman!
My heroes.
*smoochy kiss*
And yet, asitis, the president-elect is clearly far more stupid than Sarah Palin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU
It is a good idea to put a guy in charge of health care when he doesn’t know what an inhaler is? Asitis and the rest of the Obamanazis say, YES!
Obama’s also an expert at public speaking, just like George W. Bush!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThEAO0lt4Dw
Someone get that man a teleprompter!
Oh John, dont you know that when we are making fun of Republicans it is okay to point out those kinds of errors but not when we are making fun of Democrats? Unless of course that Democrat is a woman, seeing as the Demos have shown themselves to be more misogynistic than I previously thought.
Media double-standard on display:
Media: Sarah Palin, what’s the Bush Doctrine?
Palin: What are you talking about, exactly?
Media: The Bush Doctrine, y’know?
Palin: Not really sure what you mean there.
Media: LOLOLOLOLZ U R DUM!!!!
Charles Krauthammer: Actually I invented the term “Bush Doctrine” and it has multiple meanings. He should have specified.
Palin: The VP is in charge of the Senate.
Media: ROFLOLOLOLOLZZZ NO!!!
Actual text from the Constitution: “The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate”
So being president of the something doesn’t mean you’re in charge of it? Wow! I sure am glad that Obama’s not in charge of anything, then.
Obama: Give a kid a breathalyzer, an inhalator, y’know, whatever it is.
Media: Wow, Obama is soooo great! Glory to Barry in the highest!
Obama: Uh, uh, uh…. uh…. uh, uh… uh… uh, uh…
Media: Obama is a wonderful speaker!!!!
Oliver, personally I’m finding it fun to accuse the Dems of RACISM!!! for opposing Blago’s nominee for Barry’s Senate seat. I think that’s what every Republican should do on the poli-chat shows when the issue comes up.
Host: Democrat, what do you think about Burris?
Democrat: We need to block this appointment, because Blago is bad.
Host: What say you, Republican?
Republican: I must say I am shocked! Why are you Democrats so RACIST?! You’re blocking this man just because he’s black! I guess if someone’s half-white you’ll run him for president, but if he’s all black, you won’t even let him in the Senate, huh?
This is just way too much fun. I almost can’t wait to see what happens when Barry is coronated… oops I mean inaugurated. We’ll have a new scandal every month, and of course, Barry will know nothing about it! Hahaha!
It is a good idea to put a guy in charge of health care when he doesn’t know what an inhaler is? Asitis and the rest of the Obamanazis say, YES!
Posted by: John Lewandowski at January 3, 2009 9:20 PM
A couple weeks ago I was giving someone stitches and I asked for “string” to do it with. Everyone knew what I meant.
I drew blood yesterday and asked for a “bloodstick” instead of a syringe. Everyone knew what I was talking about.
It wouldn’t have bothered me had he called it a “breathing thingy”…
Josephine,
The point is that the liberals rife on Republicans that make slips of the tongues or freeze on camera for a bit, but when Obama does it, hes “folksy.”
(By the way, personally I would be worried about your skill level if you equivocated between a blood stick and a syringe. Those two examples seemed pretty innocuous but that is the kind of thing that makes the medical field so inefficient, and therefore dangerous.)
I suppose it also wouldn’t have bothered you if you asked for digoxin and they gave you Dilantin instead. Same diff, both start with a “D”, right? Oops, the CHF patient is dead. My bad.
no of course not Josephine, because of course you liberals have one standard for your kind and another for the rest of us!
consider the differing responses to Obama and McCain owning homes and Palin and M. Obama wearing designer fashions.
What hipocrisy!
John: “I suppose it also wouldn’t have bothered you if you asked for digoxin and they gave you Dilantin instead. Same diff, both start with a “D”, right? Oops, the CHF patient is dead. My bad.”
Exactly.
FYI:
Breathalyzer = Breath test for alcohol
Inhalator = Device which helps supply oxygen to the lungs
Inhaler = Small pump with albuterol or another asthma medication in it
Nebulizer = Device which allows for easy inhalation of asthma medications
So if Barry had said something like, “Get the kid a puffer” or “Get the kid one of these breathy pump thingies”, that actually would have been better than using the entirely wrong term.
Re: “A breathing thingy”. Obama could get away with using that, but you can bet Tina Fey would have made it a household phrase had it been a Palin blooper.
Face it, the MSM was, is, and always will be in the tank for their hero. The only thing that could change that would be if Obama were to become a pro-lifer.
“consider the differing responses to Obama and McCain owning homes and Palin and M. Obama wearing designer fashions.”
If you recall, McCain couldn’t remember how many homes he owned. That was the problem. If he would’ve said “seven” it wouldn’t have been as big of a deal. Second, the difference with Palin and Obama’s designed fashion was that Obama paid for his, the GOP paid for Palin’s. Notice how no one commented on McCain or his wife’s designer fashions? It’s because they paid for them, so no one cared.
He’s not a doctor, he’s a politician
John: “I suppose it also wouldn’t have bothered you if you asked for digoxin and they gave you Dilantin instead. Same diff, both start with a “D”, right? Oops, the CHF patient is dead. My bad.”
Again. Obama isn’t a doctor. If he were a DOCTOR who asked for the wrong DRUG… that’d be bad. He’s a politician who misspoke when talking about an inhaler. Big freakin’ deal.
BTW, Oliver, the medical field is anything but inefficient. Kthx.
Oh, I love the “the left does it, so it’s okay if we do it” logic of the right. LOL.
@Josephine: Actually, the medical field is full of inefficiencies. If it were efficient, we wouldn’t have people collapsing and dying in ERs and not being noticed for hours.
…That’s because of healthcare/providers, Rae. If HEALTHCARE were efficient ERs wouldn’t be completely packed which interferes with the quality of care people get. Completely not related to wrong terminology.
Mule fritters, Josephine.
If you are crowded and overworked, you’re more likely to make a mistake due to stress, for example prescribing the wrong medicine to a patient.
Josephine: “Oh, I love the “the left does it, so it’s okay if we do it” logic of the right. LOL.”
Whoever did that? We were pointing out the riduclousness of insulting Bush or Palin based on soundbites but supporting Obama when he makes similar mistakes. Of course, Im sure you NEVER made fun of Bush for sounding stupid on camera right?
By the way, we were also not concerned with Obama asking for the wrong drug, be careful how you read. If you look it said “you.” I think both John and I were concerned to hear a medical “professional” not care very much about specificity when working on patients. Its one thing when you make a mistake, but its a whole other when you blithely brush it aside.
(Kthx? LOL? Really? Are you text messaging your posts during History class?)
Liek, OMGWTFBBQ!
LOL!!!! r u a Goon ????
Do you have stairs in your house???
y so srs?
Oliver, I’ve made fun of Bush. I’ve made fun of Blagojevich and Al Gore too..
By the way, if you’re going to comment on how someone types.. maybe you should start using apostrophes? Just a thought!
Rae, it sounds to me like you know very little about the medical field. You do realize that most doctors don’t write a prescription where no one else comments, correct? Nurses check and pharmacists check. Checks and balances, sort of..just like government.
Josephine,
So then you will admit that Obama sounds about as stupid as Bush does right? I guess you should make fun of his IQ as well.
People screw up all the time with medicine Josephine. I cant think of the article I read off the top of my head, but it listed the number of deaths and/or wrongful dismemberment by doctors in the hundreds of thousands. Certainly I didnt do enough of a factcheck on the study to see what they deemed “wrongful” but the point still stands that doctors DO make mistakes BECAUSE of their fault. This is all the more concerning because you dont seem to care when you do. Its like checking your blindspot when changing lanes. The truth is that 99 times out of 100, you dont need to and its okay, but that ONE time is enough to kill someone. I think you should be a little more concerned when you ask for the entirely wrong implement.
Also, just for clarification, there is a big difference between leaving out a couple of apostrophes and typing like a 14 year old kid, especially when you are trying to be dismissive. It heightens the preteen affect.
Rats- I wrote a post with several links in it to various sources that describe the medicinal error rate in US and UK hospitals. It’s in “holding” right now. :-/
Oliver, you’re wrong. The point is I make fun of conservatives and liberals, only when they deserve it. :) There are several conservatives I’d never make fun of.
When, exactly, did I say medical professionals didn’t mess up? I said the medical field is efficient. Isn’t there a difference there? Do you know what the word efficient means?
” This is all the more concerning because you dont seem to care when you do. ” LOL. That’s funny. I said I used the wrong terminology, and that apparently means I don’t care when I make medical mistakes? Interesting… way to be a conservative and twist words!
Also, just for clarification, words mean different things when you don’t use apostrophes. Maybe you should consider that? I mean, you wouldn’t want to look to a fourteen year old. :)
Josephine: “Oliver, you’re wrong. The point is I make fun of conservatives and liberals, only when they deserve it. :) There are several conservatives I’d never make fun of.”
Right. So you basically defend the people you like for doing something, but make fun of the people you do not like for the very same thing. Gotcha.
Josephine: “When, exactly, did I say medical professionals didn’t mess up? I said the medical field is efficient. Isn’t there a difference there? Do you know what the word efficient means?”
Granted there is a difference. However, there are CARELESS mistakes, which imply needless waste. I over simplified, however, you cannot argue that there is “zero waste” in the medicinal field. It is therefore not efficient.
Joesphine: “” This is all the more concerning because you dont seem to care when you do. ” LOL. That’s funny. I said I used the wrong terminology, and that apparently means I don’t care when I make medical mistakes? Interesting… way to be a conservative and twist words!”
You implied that it did not “bother” you to invoke the wrong implement in a medical procedure. You did not use the wrong terminology, you asked for the wrong thing. Luckily your coworkers were not also so careless to give you the wrong device. This is how people die for no reason in hospitals.
Josphine: “Also, just for clarification, words mean different things when you don’t use apostrophes. Maybe you should consider that? I mean, you wouldn’t want to look to a fourteen year old. :) ”
(Apostrophes are actually highly unnecessary in almost every case. It is extremely easy to derive the meaning from context, seeing as we do so when we speak every day. [With or without an apostrophe makes no pronunciation difference.] Because of this, whether it is a good or bad thing, few people use them correctly except in formal writing. “LOL” and “Kthx” are used by a small, and annoying, percentage of young people and a handful of outliers. Moreover, those terms are meant to be insulting when used in response to someone’s argument, especially “kthx.” The net effect is that you look like a bitchy preteen. Go ahead and keep using it…I dont really care. I just wanted to point out how foolish you make yourself look.
Oliver, you forgot to close that parenthetical statement with a “)”.
I cant tell who you are being sarcastic to honestly.
Oliver, I’m not being sarcastic- you did forget to close your parenthetical statement, not that it matters or anything.
“Right. So you basically defend the people you like for doing something, but make fun of the people you do not like for the very same thing. Gotcha.”
No. I defend people that aren’t stupid, and I make fun of people that ARE stupid. Okay!??
“you cannot argue that there is “zero waste” in the medicinal field. It is therefore not efficient.”
In that case, no professional field is efficient because there is no field where there is “zero waste”. That’s some crazy logic.
I didn’t ask for the wrong thing. I used the wrong terminology. Do you think while I was doing stitches I asked for SEWING string? I asked for string and my coworkers aren’t stupid. They knew I was working on stitches, so obviously I wouldn’t be asking for sewing string. That’s terminology.
Have you ever worked in the medical field? If not, you probably shouldn’t say WHY mistakes happen. I have, and I know why mistakes are made. It’s generally not because of terminology.
Apostrophes are unnecessary? Without apostrophes, words have different meanings. So, I will continue to look like a fourteen year old (or a preteen… you said both, but fourteen is clearly not preteen…) and you can continue looking like you don’t know how to utilize the English language.
I just wanted to point out how foolish you make yourself look when you use the wrong word.
cant: the characteristic or secret language of a particular group.
can’t: contraction of cannot.
Bystander said:
“Zeke, 7:18 “personhood” lost 25-75 statewide and lost big in each and every county in Colorado, including losing 35-65 in El Paso County,(Colorado Springs, Haggard, Dobson), the right wing nut capital of the United States.”
It was a HUGE VICTORY to just get it on the ballot so it could be voted on.
Now, all we need is to better educate the voters and have those that voted the first time for it find 2 people each to vote for it a second time to make it pass.
We’re on our way to getting real victories instead of regulating the murder of babies!
Medical mistakes from a doctor’s POV:
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/a-doctors-view-of-medical-mistakes/
Wow. One doctor’s point of view. I get more perspective from my living room.
By the way– that kind of proved my point. It’s not just a doctor that notices prescriptions. It’s nurses and pharmacists too. That prescription went through THREE hands before it came to him.
I’ll say it again: being efficient is not the same thing as never making mistakes. Mistakes happen in EVERY field of work.
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Josephine- it was an article to give some perspective. It’s not an end-all-be-all study, it was just an article I found interesting. It wasn’t even about prescriptions you friggin’ idiot! Yes, they mentioned it but what I wanted you to read was about that doctor’s story and how a medical mistake harmed *him* (and the medical mistake wasn’t on him).
http://medicaleconomics.modernmedicine.com/memag/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=379590&pageID=1&sk=&date=
Rae, I read it. I never said medical professionals never made mistakes. I said they’re efficient. They are. The way the entire medical system is set up is very, VERY efficient.
NO THEY AREN’T. Medical errors are frequently due to inefficient staffing of nurses and systems errors (RE: INEFFICIENT SYSTEMS).
Here are some papers you can look up on PubMed:
“Medication Errors: Why They Happen, And How They Can Be Prevented”
Hughes, Ronda G. PhD, MHS, RN; Ortiz, Eduardo MD, MPH
Issue:
American Journal of Nursing, Volume 105(3) Supplement, March 2005, pp 14-24
This paper specifically discussed systems errors (such as illegible writing) that lead to mistakes- and that demonstrates inefficiencies in health care. If you can’t do your job in a timely and accurate manner because of communication problems- that is a sign of inefficiency and that leads to mistakes.
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“Why Nurses Make Medication Errors: a Simulation Study”
Kazaoka, T., Ohtsuka, K., Ueno K., Mori M.
Nurse Education Today, May 2007, 27(4): 312-7
Electronic Publish 2006 Jul. 21
This study specifically lays out communication issues- specifically, “These findings suggested that there is the possibility that some medication errors occur due to preoccupation that nurses feel it is less necessary to explain and confirm everything related to medication administrations as their length of service increase.”
But you know what? Whatever. You’re right Josephine, you’re always right. You are so *fricking* smart, I only wish I were half as intelligent as you were.
Rae, mistakes are caused by UNDER STAFFING. Not insufficient staffing. maybe the way to fix it is for more government programs that can help more people go to school. Wait, that’s crazy– that’s exactly what Obama wants!
Oh, am I supposed to feel bad because of your little rant at the end? You think the WHOLE medical system is inefficient, so you must think YOU KNOW how to improve it, I’m sure?? The medical profession has been around a hell of a lot longer than you have.
I’m done arguing with you on this. It’s not worth the effort.
Did you say the medical system is efficient?
That’s rich… I shudder to think what it would cost to give a patient an asprin (now about $20) in an inefficient hospital? And btw…those efficient idiots cut limbs off the wrong patients all the time, but I guess they are doing it efficiently huh?
TS, the medical system is efficient. It makes mistakes. Unless you believe EVERY business that makes mistakes is inefficient, you really shouldn’t talk “smack”.
By the way, maybe you should start looking at pharmaceutical companies when you want to complain about the price of drugs.
Zeke 11:42 when the people are “educated” and learn that “personhood” is the product of a bunch of kooks who want to put a cop, a lawyer and a judge into every bedroom and every doctor’s office, ban all birth control, and force women to die from ectopic pregnancies, the margin of loss will increase.
Very few Americans want an extremist right wing theocracy and an American Taliban.
That’s rich… I shudder to think what it would cost to give a patient an asprin (now about $20) in an inefficient hospital? And btw…those efficient idiots cut limbs off the wrong patients all the time, but I guess they are doing it efficiently huh?
Posted by: truthseeker at January 4, 2009 12:55 AM
what about the poor fellow in the news this past year, who lost a significant body part wrongly! Ouch!
Wow. One doctor’s point of view. I get more perspective from my living room.
you meant to say “the same perspective”!
If you recall, McCain couldn’t remember how many homes he owned. That was the problem. If he would’ve said “seven” it wouldn’t have been as big of a deal. .
Josephine, no matter what answer or lack of answer McCain gave, it would have not passed muster. You know it.
Second, the difference with Palin and Obama’s designed fashion was that Obama paid for his, the GOP paid for Palin’s. Notice how no one commented on McCain or his wife’s designer fashions? It’s because they paid for them, so no one cared.
And you KNOW this for a fact. You saw Obama’s pay check go into his/her/their bank account and then the money they “earned” go directly to the purchase of those clothes. Uh, yeah, right.
Ok, Cameron we know how much you love strawman arguments, so I thought I’d point out this gem posted by bystander.
“Zeke 11:42 when the people are “educated” and learn that “personhood” is the product of a bunch of kooks who want to put a cop, a lawyer and a judge into every bedroom and every doctor’s office, ban all birth control, and force women to die from ectopic pregnancies, the margin of loss will increase.
Very few Americans want an extremist right wing theocracy and an American Taliban.”
You’re right, bystander, that is *exactly* the pro-life agend./sarcasm
Josephine: “Again. Obama isn’t a doctor. If he were a DOCTOR who asked for the wrong DRUG… that’d be bad. He’s a politician who misspoke when talking about an inhaler. Big freakin’ deal.”
Obama is a politician who wants to overstep his constitutional authority and create a national health care system. Considering that he thinks he knows enough about health care to put the US government in control of it, I would hope that he knows what an inhaler is. After all, he thinks he knows so much better than the rest of us, and he says that EVERYBODY knows that it makes no sense that you put a kid in the hospital when you can just get him a “breathalyzer” instead.
I also have to wonder why you Democrats are now pretending that Welfare does not exist. I have seen thousands of people on Welfare get free asthma medication through Medicaid. It happens every day all around the country. So what’s the problem? The poor are already being taken care of, so why do you want to put the ENTIRE COUNTRY on Welfare?
John, the EXTREMELY poor are getting taken care of. What about the people just above them? The ones that make too much money to get any help, yet not enough money to live?
That’s what’s wrong with most conservatives. There’s only rich and poor, nothing in between.
“Wow. One doctor’s point of view. I get more perspective from my living room.
you meant to say “the same perspective”!”
Do you know what you’re talking about? I get two doctor’s points of view from my living room, as opposed to one in that paper. 2>1.
“Josephine, no matter what answer or lack of answer McCain gave, it would have not passed muster. You know it.”
Oh, I know it? Gee, thanks for speaking for me? No. I don’t know it. You know Clinton has multiple homes, right? You know why no one cares (including conservatives)… first, she remembers how many she has. Second, she didn’t try to cover it up, because there’s NO REASON. It’s lying for the sake of lying. I have no doubt in my mind he just didn’t want to say seven because it made him sound too rich.
“And you KNOW this for a fact. You saw Obama’s pay check go into his/her/their bank account and then the money they “earned” go directly to the purchase of those clothes. Uh, yeah, right.”
You can see where all of the money from the Democratic contributions went. It’s on the internet. ….Again, didn’t you EVER WONDER why no one commented on McCain’s or his wife’s clothing? I mean, really, his wife wore a $300,000 Oscar de la Renta, and no one cared. I thought it was gorgeous, and that was pretty much the extent that it was talked about. …Back to my point though, any democrat can see where campaign contributions went. Nice try, though! :)
Lauren 1:24 I suggest you do a little research on Bob Enyart who claims to be the “sponsor of personhood” and his websites, including shadowgov.com, which is dedicated to ovethrowing the government of the United States and replacing it with a theocracy, including a comprehensive set of religious fundamentalist laws, imposing death for adultry, death to any woman having an abortion, etc. These “laws” are quite similar to the “laws” enforced by the Taliban in Afghanistan.
My statement that “personhood” is a product of those who want to establish a theocracy is a fact, not a “strawman argument”.
Bystander,
Do you think it is a fact that this group wants to establish a theocracy?
Josephine: “What about the people just above them? The ones that make too much money to get any help, yet not enough money to live?”
If they’re too poor to afford to buy an albuterol inhaler, then they should be eligible for Welfare. Change the rules so that they can apply for it.
Of course, albuterol inhalers used to be much cheaper, before you liberals banned them because they have CFCs in them, forcing people to have to get much more expensive yet less effective “HFA” inhalers. As usual, environmentalism BS comes before human lives with you guys.
The problem with you liberals is that your answer to everything is to dramatically expand the economic power of the federal government. Some people can’t get health care? Hey, how about we tweak the system so that they’re eligible? NO, say liberals, we need to spend trillions of dollars on an all-new health care program which covers EVERYBODY!
The second problem with you liberals is that you declare that anyone who disagrees with your socialist economic policies is a “hater of the poor”, “not truly pro-life” and other nonsense.
I hope you do realize that Obama’s health care plan as he has pitched it is not going to work. It’s going to cost billions if not trillions of dollars and it’s not going to work. Why not? Because unlike Hillary Clinton, he’s not forcing you to participate. He’s trying to be more “moderate” with his proposal, and give you the option to buy into government health care if you do so desire. Well, unfortunately, you’re about to find out that millions of Americans don’t have health coverage not because they can’t get it, but because they have decided to trade off the cost of insurance for other things.
No, the only way the socialist health care plan could work is if everyone is forced to belong to it. That’s the only way to put an end there being millions of people without health insurance. And if everyone is forced to belong – just as Democrats force people to pay Union dues – people are going to want to get their money’s worth. That means that for every sniffle, scrape, or sore throat, everyone’s going to be running to the doctor, and the people who truly need medical attention won’t be able to get it. It’s going to be a horrible mess, and, as usual, the liberal policies are going to hurt the poor most of all.
As for Obama’s campaign contributions, too bad we never did and never will get to the bottom of those allegedly illegal contributions he got from overseas. Plus I love how the media and all of you Obamanazis completely ignored that Obama crapped on his pledge to go by the public financing system for his campaign. That was a major, important vow that Obama broke, proving that his word is worthless. But obviously, the media didn’t care, and Democrats couldn’t care less. They’re happy as long as the president has a “D” after his name and is a pro-abortion socialist who hates America. Party before God and country!
John, McCain didn’t want to change the rules either. Honestly? I think you’re right. I think that would be best. Neither candidate was going to tweak the system a little bit. If either of them would’ve said, “Let’s just change the system a little bit, and leave it at that!” …It wouldn’t have worked for either of them. They had to do something different.
You said that some people that didn’t have healthcare didn’t have it because they chose to spend the money on other things– I agree. I think that’s why McCain’s plan was dumb. If you’re poor enough that you can’t afford healthcare, that extra check you get for healthcare probably won’t go to insurance. It will probably go to other bills or needs.
You have NO idea if Obama’s healthcare plan will work. It could, it couldn’t. No one knows.
Who is being forced to belong to this healthcare plan, John? I’m not… I don’t know anyone who is being forced. Do you know why it’s better if EVERYONE is covered? There aren’t going to be people in the ER wasting the time and effort of doctors and nurses. They can make doctor appointments instead. I think you’ll see cheaper healthcare eventually because of this plan!
“That means that for every sniffle, scrape, or sore throat, everyone’s going to be running to the doctor, and the people who truly need medical attention won’t be able to get it.”
Those are the people who are currently going to the EMERGENCY room for things like that. Isn’t it better they just go to a freakin’ general practitioner?
There’s a reason why the poor lean to the left. They know what’s beset. If the liberals were hurting the poor, why would the poor keep voting liberal?
This is America. It’s not Party before God, because we’re not a theocracy. Those are separate and different things.
John L. nails it again with precision.
With all of the talk about how efficient our health care providers are, perhaps someone could explain how a Chicago hospital could hire Michelle Obama at $300,000 a year, even as her husband was in a position to vote for legislation that favored them. What exactly did she do to justify that “efficient” use of money? Is it any wonder why the industry is looking for bailouts?
Josephine, it matters little whether you criticize both conservatives and liberals, as though that is a litmus test for being credible. What really matters is accuracy, fairness, and content.
But obviously, the media didn’t care, and Democrats couldn’t care less. They’re happy as long as the president has a “D” after his name and is a pro-abortion socialist who hates America. Party before God and country!
Posted by: John Lewandowski at January 4, 2009 4:40
Myybe they’re pro-abortion socialists because they love America.
Josephine, in my experience the medical field is efficient enough, but there are a lot of problems. Most medical residents can attest to the fact that mistakes are made under sleepless, stressful and overworked conditions. I think it is important you realize that we are not arguing that the medical field is inefficient due to people’s mistakes; we are arguing that inefficiencies in the medical field often cause people to make mistakes. I’m sure you’d agree it is important to address these inefficiencies instead of denying they exist.
PIP, I completely agree. I just don’t think it should be considered inefficient, because while there are problems like you described.. many of those problems are caused by the fact there just aren’t enough medical professionals. The only thing that can help is from people outside the medical field who decide to become medical professionals. Know what I mean?
Josephine,
That can help, for sure. But, I think there are also some systematic inefficient “standards” that continue to be in place just because they were there before. Some problems can also be traced to funding problems. Hospitals are not rich, they lose out to big insurance and pharmaceutical companies. Hospitals soak up cost and those specifically addressing the needs of lower-class communities often have the hardest time having the funding to even out, and yet insurance companies are making up to 100% profits, billions of dollars profit a quarter.
also, some medical professionals get paid less than post office workers and require up to 3 years training..
PIP,
I can’t argue with that at all!
By the way, maybe you should start looking at pharmaceutical companies when you want to complain about the price of drugs.
Posted by: Josephine at January 4, 2009 1:00 AM
What are you talking about? I can get the same aspirin for a nickel at the pharmacy. Why does it cost $20 at your so-called “efficient” hospital?
I work at a hospital, TS. Aspirin doesn’t cost $20. Maybe if you thought of a real example, I’d take you a little bit seriously.
How much do they charge for aspirin at the hospital you work at then Josephine? Last time I stayed I wanted to use my own blood pressure medicine and they made made me use theirs at $20 a dose.
TS no doubt – I was in the hospital a couple years ago and it was over $10 for one tablet of Tylenol.
I told the nurse that for Pete’s sake I could go down to my truck and get some for free out of a bottle there. She said that wouldn’t go – that the hospital had to maintain dosage consistency and be aware of and responsible for everything patients were taking.
blood pressure medicine
Have to laugh – after 2008 was all said and done, I bet quite a few people needed some of that after reading Jill’s blog.
Thanks for all suggestions on Pro-lifer of the Year. Just posted the new poll.
The preview is here–
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFg0eprhPzg
Posted by: Hal at January 4, 2009 6:16 PM
‘Maybe they’re pro-abortion socialists because they love America.’
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‘Socialists’, can not love America because America is still a capitalist/free market society. Socialists may love the prosperity and the freedom and the natural beauty of the country, but they cannot love the nation.
Captitalism and socialism are antithetical. They are at war with one another. Capitalism is about freedom. Socialism by defintion is about control.
The pro-slavery democrats loved America so much that rejected the nation primarily for the sake of slavery. Then they started a war with the nation they had rejected in an attempt to remake the whole country in their perverted, twisted, convoluted image.
yor bro ken
kbhvac,
Have you ever heard anyone say the Democratic party of today is more in line with the Republican party of Abraham Lincoln than the current Republican party is? It’s something I hear a lot in school. Both parties have changed so drastically that it really makes no sense to go all the way back to the civil war and pro-slavery Democrats. We might as well start talking about Whigs, the Bull Moose Party…