Merry Christmas, abortion style

gift my fox orlando.JPGWere abortion illegal, pro-aborts would be trumpeting the case below as evidence abortion should be legal. Otherwise desperate mothers are driven to dangerous acts, they’d say.
But abortion is legal. And its legality has only resulted in increased access to dangerous acts of abortion.
Because this abortion was committed at 7 months gestation, and all this mother did was take a medication stimulate premature delivery, chances are her baby was born alive. If so, will she be charged with murder? From FoxNews.com

A south TX couple put an aborted 7-month-old fetus in a gift box under a Christmas tree after they were unable to flush the remains down a toilet, authorities alleged Monday.
Ruby Lee Medina, 31, and Javier Gonzalez, 37… have been charged with abuse of a corpse and tampering with evidence. Bond was set Monday at $20k each….

San Juan Police Chief Juan Gonzalez said police found the fetus inside the woman’s trailer home Thursday after getting an anonymous tip.
Autopsy results are pending, but Gonzalez said police believe the woman used pills to induce an abortion Thursday, then called an ambulance after she began bleeding and told doctors she didn’t know where the fetus was.
The police chief said the couple tried to flush the fetus down the toilet, but that didn’t work.
“Apparently they cleaned up the fetus and they placed it inside a gift box under the Christmas tree,” the police chief said.

More from TheMonitor.com

… Medina’s mother said she already named her unborn grandson, who was due in March 2010.
Instead, baby Noel was born last week during an apparent backroom abortion. The incident was punctuated by the unborn child’s father allegedly burying the fetus wrapped in a Christmas gift box in the back yard….
Medina and Javier Gonzalez, her married boyfriend, turned themselves in Monday afternoon at the San Juan Police Department. The parents are accused of inducing an abortion, wrapping the fetus up as a Christmas present and burying it in the yard at her residence….
Those alleged acts translate into abuse of a corpse and evidence tampering charges the couple faced at an arraignment Monday afternoon….
Gonzalez, 37, had 2 other children with Medina, even though he remains married to another woman.
The married man and his mistress could eventually face capital murder charges pending autopsy results or an Hidalgo Co. grand jury’s decision after prosecutors present them the case….
Medina, 31, delivered the fetus last week after she apparently took pills typically given during abortions, Perez said, adding that she did not know the drug’s name. Perez said her daughter told her she took the drugs brought over by friends from Reynosa to treat heartburn.
Instead, the pills apparently induced labor, with Medina delivering the fetus while sitting on the toilet in her bathroom….
The male fetus was cremated at an area morgue early Monday afternoon….
Police continue to investigate the case and the possibility that another fetus delivered by Medina during a similar incident may be buried at an area cemetery….. In addition to the abortion drugs, police suspect Medina had taken cocaine during the forced labor, the chief said….
Should the corpse abuse charge be upgraded to capital murder, Medina and Gonzalez could face the death penalty, if convicted. Medina told investigators the fetus was not breathing after she gave birth.
“The autopsy report will indicate what type of investigation we have and where we take it from there and if there’s any additional charges to file,” Chief Gonzalez said….

And more from TheMonitor.com

TX is one of at least 19 states that have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy…. The law here in the Lone Star State defines an individual as a human being who is alive, including an unborn child at every stage of gestation from fertilization until birth.
Otherwise healthy babies born at 28 weeks have a 90% chance of survival without physical or neurological impairment, according to the Mayo Foundation for Medical Education and Research.

45 thoughts on “Merry Christmas, abortion style”

  1. Abortion……the gift that doesn’t keep on giving or…
    Have a Happy Abortion or….
    Not Many Happy Returns or…..
    Wishing You and Your Could-Have-Beens a Happy Holiday Season or….
    ‘Twas the night before Christmas and all through the house, the parents were trying to figure out how to get rid of their problem or….
    Silent Night, Unholy night or….
    Mom got caught kissing Santa and then expected him to pay for the abortion…
    God help us. For the darkness that has descended on our country via Liberalism is too much to bear.
    Crush them in 2010 and 2012.

  2. Hey…I thought abortion was LEGAL! I thought things like this were not supposed to happen unless abortion was illegal!
    And why won’t she hold her head up and look at the judge in the eye??
    None of this is ever going to stop until we can fully come to grips that life is precious! All lives…including our own.
    Goodness gracious…what next??

  3. @Danielle, One major argument for legalizing abortion was that it would do away with “back alley abortions.” “No more coat hangers!” was the anthem. This story proves making abortion illegal did not eliminate back alley abortions. The promise of no back alley abortions was another lie to sell the larger lie.

  4. @Danielle, One major argument for legalizing abortion was that it would do away with “back alley abortions.” “No more coat hangers!” was the anthem. This story proves making abortion illegal did not eliminate back alley abortions. The promise of no back alley abortions was another lie to sell the larger lie.
    Posted by: Kyle at December 15, 2009 12:42 PM
    -Which was never true in the first place. Yes, legalized abortion certainly may have REDUCED back alley – significantly, hence the rally cry ‘no more hangers’ etc – but there is no and never was a guarantee that there would/will never be another person who jeapordizes themselves in this way, for infinite reasons. Legalized abortion can no more eradicate situations like this any more than criminalizing it (or ‘de-legalizing’) can stop people from seeking it out.

  5. We bought all of the lies. That abortion was good for women, that it would eliminate child abuse and lower the crime rate. Hows that working out for us?

  6. Danielle,
    The year before Roe v Wade the death rate from illegal abortion was at an all time low, so much so that the abortion leadership had to deceive the public with wildly exaggerated numbers they knew perfectly well were fabricated.
    To the abortion establishment, the ends justified the means, even if those “means” meant lies and promotion of religious bigotry.
    So please, this notion about “coat hangers” is a fallacy. How could the death rate be steadily decreasing if women were using such dangerous methods?
    Well, the fact most illegal abortions were done in doctor’s offices might explain it. My cousin had a couple. Also these doctors, unlike the ones doing assembly line legal abortions, had to fear legal consequences. As such, they had to be highly selective of what patients they took and be darned careful the women suffered no complications.
    No guarantees? Well, we certainly didn’t hear that when the struggle to legalize abortion was in full swing. No longer would women resort to dangerous methods once abortion was legal was the famous battle cry.
    Human nature all too often does not follow logic.
    There are factors such as fear, mental illness, protection of privacy, to name just a few. The human mind is a very strange machine. That is why abortion clinics can get away with being ratholes. They have women in a very compromised position. Also we have to dispense with the absurd notion that legalizing something puts the criminal element into an unemployment line. All too often it gives criminals opportunities they never dreamed of. Plenty of examples can be found of this when abortion was legalized,
    I read years ago about generations of women in Europe, I don’t recall the country but it may have been France or Belgium, going to women called “angels” who were trained in abortion. These “angels” apparently had quite a good track record, their trade was passed down through generations and they had earned the trust of women.
    Abortion became legal and guess what? The “angels” didn’t have to collect unemployment!
    Business was never better. It wasn’t that women couldn’t have a legal abortion its that they didn’t want them! For generations they had trusted the “angels” so why should they stop now?
    Efforts to put the “angels” out of business were futile.
    Again, human nature. The women did not have to fill out forms, give their name or any information, and no questions were asked. An “angel” would likely be more sympathetic and supportive than some doctor.
    Sooo, the number of illegal abortions was not significantly curbed.
    I personally know a nurse who planned to self induce an abortion if pregnant, but fortunately she was not. Again, protection of privacy and no hassle going to a clinic.
    Sorry Danielle, but human nature isn’t some simplistic slogan that fits on a bumper sticker.

  7. Sorry Danielle, but human nature isn’t some simplistic slogan that fits on a bumper sticker.
    Posted by: Mary at December 15, 2009 1:55 PM
    -Agreed. On this point only, but, agreed.

  8. Danielle,
    On what do you not agree?
    Posted by: Mary at December 15, 2009 2:37 PM
    -Excluding the take on human nature, pretty much everything else you said.

  9. So, can you show where I am wrong and how?
    Posted by: Mary at December 5, 2009 3:12 PM
    -I don’t know if it will benefit either of us. I don’t know if ‘wrong’ is how I would see it – rather our perception and deductions of the how and why is completely opposite of each other.
    I have no desire to get into a ‘show me your source for those numbers’ debate. I have no way to cooberate the anecdotal stories and conclusions you put in your post, so lets 1st take that off the table. You and I disagree on the agenda and deception intent of ‘abortion leadership’ in the early years of RwV and the severity of the illegal abortion problem pre/post. We disagree on the cause/correlation of abortion complications in the hands of licensed doctors. We disagree on whether or not the headlines from the PC side in the 70s was meant to guarantee a future with no criminality or complication to abortion. We disagree that abortion clinics are ‘ratholes.’ We disagree with the philosophy of whether legalizing formerly criminal acts upends the criminal element. We disagree with the idea of celebrating those who perform abortions and what their ultimate objectives are/were. Like I said, everything.
    It’s two people looking at a rorscach and coming up with entirely different responses as to what it is.

  10. Danielle,
    You state the obvious, we disagree. So point out where I am wrong as I pointed out where you, and the American public as a whole, has been misled.
    The agenda of the abortion leadership is not my personal opinion, but rather is stated by Dr.Bernard Nathanson in his book, “Aborting America”. Dr. Nathanson was a leader in the abortion legalization movement. Who better than he to say what really went on and what motivated the abortion leadership and movement.
    Also, check out the “clinic” of Dr. Roy Carhart and tell me if you would consider that to be anything more than a rathole. How about Tiller hiring people off the street to work in his clinic, administer drugs, and supervise patient care? Ironically it has been Operation Rescue at the forefront of exposing hacks and their rathole clinics. Check out Operationrescue.org to get documentation on abortion clinic scandals and hacks performing operations.

  11. you can not seriously expect to convince anyone with “data” from a source as dripping with bias as operation rescue

  12. “The agenda of the abortion leadership is not my personal opinion, but rather is stated by Dr.Bernard Nathanson in his book, “Aborting America”. Dr. Nathanson was a leader in the abortion legalization movement. Who better than he to say what really went on and what motivated the abortion leadership and movement.”
    Thanks Mary, I have that book, so you motivated me to find exactly where he talks about it. It is primarily on pages 197-198 where he acknowldges that there were approximately 39 deaths in 1973, not the 5,000 – 10,000 that the abortion activists claimed. He even says that they all pretty much knew this was a lie, but the number was helpful to their cause so no one corrected it.
    I think Danielle should also learn Norma McCorvey and Sandra Cano’s stories, the original Roe and Doe in the 1973 abortion cases. They both feel that they were deceived and are now very powerful pro-life activists.

  13. “It’s two people looking at a rorscach and coming up with entirely different responses as to what it is.”
    Well Danielle, the law has looked upon it and decided that it was tampering with a corpse. That would imply the desecration of a human person’s remains, otherwise the charges would have been along the lines of improper disposal of medical waste.
    Of the many gut-wrenching dimensions of this story is the juxtaposition of the Christ Child in the Nativity set under my tree and the similar placement of this little human who was so close to being born. It is the enormity of evil that spits in God’s face shown here in this story, the grotesque mockery of the Nativity meant to save us from precisely this malevolence.
    “I came that you might have LIFE and have it more abundantly,” was mocked by this couple.
    Any woman can walk into ANY Catholic hospital and have all of her prenatal care provided for free if she states that she is without means. The same goes for social services should she decide to keep the baby or place it for adoption.
    Some things are pretty straightforward Danielle, even for pro-choice folks. Eventually one comes to the point where they can no longer defend the indefensible, or go mad trying.

  14. l
    “Dripping wit bias” or not, if they can show documentation then you have to take them seriously, unless of course you can prove them wrong. They have done far more to expose abortion hacks and dangerous clinics than those great protectors of women, NOW and NARAL have.
    If you can prove OR’s exposure of these hacks and dangerous clinics to be false or biased, let’s hear from you.

  15. Hi Peg,
    You’re welcome. It should be pointed out that at the time the book was written, Dr. Nathanson was not pro-life. He was not particularly fond of PL people but was having some reservations about the abortion movement. Dr. Nathanson was never one to concern himself with being anyone’s friend and he was devoted to the abortion movement.
    I think these factors give the book a great deal of validity and objectivity.

  16. Can we just get “Safe Haven” to be a national and nationally-agreed thing? Can we not concentrate on something so apparently crucially needed? It is so much better than boxing a baby who might’ve lived, who was indeed wanted by other parents. Where is that option? The only times I read of Safe Haven is when some authority wants to hunt down parents and either press charges or get history. If that means death for a little one, forego it, dammit.

  17. Hi Peg,
    You will note that abortion advocates now treat McCorvey with only seething contempt.
    Hey folks, you had no issues with her character flaws, which she will readily own up to, when her situation could be exploited to your benefit so dispense with the sanctimony. The little white trash served her purpose, right?
    It was being treated with such contempt that drove McCorvey to the PL side.

  18. Carol,
    Exactly. The parents apparently cared enough to leave the child in a safe place where he/she would be found. Leave it at that. They are unwilling/unable to care for the child and this does not merit prosecution.

  19. You state the obvious, we disagree. So point out where I am wrong as I pointed out where you, and the American public as a whole, has been misled.
    Posted by: Mary at December 15, 2009 4:59 PM
    -I state the obvious because its the crux of the entire debate so far on this post. You provide proof of a malevolent agenda…from a renowned pro-life activist. One who for the past 30+ years, has shared what I will assume are many of the same viewpoints on abortion as your own. Dr. Carhart’s clinic is shabby and run down, from the pictures I’ve seen on pro-life sites. For what reason, I don’t know. You’ve deducted that this proves the entire industry’s disregard for women who seek abortions. You also found a problem with the staffing of another doctor’s offices, as though this also correlates to your existing viewpoint on abortion.
    These were the points you addressed to conclude that, as you stated, I and the American public have been ‘misled’ (I’m not quite sure on what, specifically, but I’ll assume we’re talking about the procedure and industry as a whole). Again, the conclusions drawn from all the points here are…matters of perception.

  20. I think Danielle should also learn Norma McCorvey and Sandra Cano’s stories, the original Roe and Doe in the 1973 abortion cases. They both feel that they were deceived and are now very powerful pro-life activists.
    Posted by: Peg at December 15, 2009 6:04 PM
    -Heard them both. Unmoved.

  21. Well Danielle, the law has looked upon it and decided that it was tampering with a corpse. That would imply the desecration of a human person’s remains, otherwise the charges would have been along the lines of improper disposal of medical waste.
    Posted by: Gerard Nadal at December 15, 2009 6:42 PM
    -Gerald, FYI, I was not referring to this case when I was responding earlier. Thanks.

  22. Danielle 7:29PM
    You will note in my post to Peg that when Nathanson wrote his book, he was not involved with, nor did he particularly like PL people. He was not writing his book from a PL perspective.
    He was beginning to have qualms about the abortion movement, which he had been fiercely devoted to, and its aftermath. He won no popularity contests when, in taking over the largest abortion clinic in the world, he demanded strict medical procedure, including surgical scrub and clean gowns and gloves for each patient. Aborionists didn’t like this as it meant fewer patients they could operate on every day and less money. They couldn’t race from patient to patient as was their custom.
    His conversion to the PL cause was gradual.
    I think that gives him more validity and objectivity.
    Tiller’s clinic was staffed by people with no medical training or credentials. That’s a fact. You had only to check his website. Carhart’s clinic had been powered by an outdoor generator. Something you would expect to see in an impoverished third world country. Central Women’s Center in Kansas was a cockroach infested firetrap that violated every safety code. It was approved by the National Abortion Federation.
    Not matters of perception Danielle.

  23. I have no desire to get into a ‘show me your source for those numbers’ debate. I have no way to cooberate the anecdotal stories and conclusions you put in your post, so lets 1st take that off the table. You and I disagree on the agenda and deception intent of ‘abortion leadership’ in the early years of RwV and the severity of the illegal abortion problem pre/post. We disagree on the cause/correlation of abortion complications in the hands of licensed doctors. We disagree on whether or not the headlines from the PC side in the 70s was meant to guarantee a future with no criminality or complication to abortion. We disagree that abortion clinics are ‘ratholes.’ We disagree with the philosophy of whether legalizing formerly criminal acts upends the criminal element. We disagree with the idea of celebrating those who perform abortions and what their ultimate objectives are/were. Like I said, everything.
    It’s two people looking at a rorscach and coming up with entirely different responses as to what it is.
    Posted by: Danielle at December 15, 2009 4:20 PM
    not really.
    What I see is someone who is bound and determined to believe what she wants despite evidence to the contrary.
    Sort of like, when proaborts insisted years ago that the unborn baby at 8 weeks was a blob of cells, despite scientific evidence and anecdotal accounts by women who had miscarried. :)

  24. Not matters of perception Danielle.
    Posted by: Mary at December 15, 2009 8:39 PM
    -Neither of the topics you readdressed here were really issues of debate, Mary, other than whether or not the Silent Scream doctor is a credible, objective and accurate depictor of the early abortion movement. I didn’t argue whether Carhart’s office was a mess, only on what the conclusion of it was. On these points you and I will continue not to see eye to eye.

  25. What I see is someone who is bound and determined to believe what she wants despite evidence to the contrary.
    Posted by: angel at December 15, 2009 8:43 PM
    -I know. It’s easier that way.

  26. What I see is someone who is bound and determined to believe what she wants despite evidence to the contrary.
    Posted by: angel at December 15, 2009 8:43 PM
    -I know. It’s easier that way.
    Posted by: Danielle at December 15, 2009 8:53 PM
    no what it is, is sad. Because of people like you millions of babies die every year.
    ignorance is NOT bliss, Danielle.
    How many abortions have you had or participated in either directly or indirectly?

  27. no what it is, is sad. Because of people like you millions of babies die every year.
    ignorance is NOT bliss, Danielle.
    How many abortions have you had or participated in either directly or indirectly?
    Posted by: angel at December 15, 2009 9:07 PM
    -Ignorance is a terrible teacher, that is the truth.
    As a clinic volunteer and friend, I do not know the number I’ve indirectly participated in. I’m not sure what ‘directly’ participated means, though.

  28. As a clinic volunteer and friend, I do not know the number I’ve indirectly participated in. I’m not sure what ‘directly’ participated means, though.
    Posted by: Danielle at December 15, 2009 9:24 PM
    ahhh, as I suspected……..
    you poor thing.

  29. you poor thing.
    Posted by: angel at December 15, 2009 9:45 PM
    -Thanks for your concern, Angel. I’ll take this note of sympathy, vigorously sift through the condescension, and try to embrace it in the manner it was given. Have a good night.

  30. Danielle, 8:51PM
    Who would be more credible than Dr.Nathanson? As I said, he was never a man who was out to be anyone’s friend.
    I think denial is your way of coping and I can understand why. Its called human nature. We’re your friends here Danielle.

  31. Sad story. At Christmas. How sick are we humans. This couple could pay for cocaine, but not for a baby. And here it comes — the pro-life people will declare how these poor victims (the adult-age people with plenty of knowledge about where babies come from, since they already had a couple) could not “afford” an abortion, since we don’t have socialized health care. –They can afford cocaine, but not a baby, or an abortion. So, they sneak some pills over from Mexico. Sad.

  32. Danielle, almost every person who comes on this blog vigorously supporting abortion, participates in abortion to some degree.
    This is also my life experience – every person I’ve ever met who is proabortion either has had at least one abortion, or is heavily involved in the abortion industry or is deeply entrenched in the contraceptive lifestyle.
    My sympathy for you is genuine: to have helped destroy such innocent life as a baby under the notion of helping women is terribly sad.
    How can death of a baby ever be a solution?

  33. Angel, here i am.
    One person who is pro choice who has never had an abortion, has never been involved in anyway in the industry and doesnt take contraceptives.
    nice to meet you.

  34. Danielle…
    There are less than a 1,000 abortion clinics left in the US. Probably not ALL of them are dumps but photos/videos have proven a LOT of them are. I can’t remember what abortion clinic it was that health inspectors came in and found they were sterilizing surgical equipment by running it through a dishwasher that was sitting by the toilet.
    Another police officer was called to a clinic (again, can’t recall which one but I can google these stories and find out for you) because the abortionist was accusing his staff of stealing money from him. The police officer had to give testimony later as to the FILTHY conditions of the clinic.
    When operation rescue (yes a pro-life group) bought Central Women’s Services (an abortion clinic) they found exposed wiring, dead cockroaches everywhere, blood on the floor, stains on the carpet etc..It was a nasty, dirty place. They have documented all of this through video and photographs.
    I’m sure you think you’re really helping women Danielle. I think from the testimonies of women on here who have aborted you will find you are an instrument being used in their emotional destruction.

  35. No hot water
    Florida’s Health and Rehabilitative Services (HRS) 10/10/1989 inspection, uncovered that at the Miami International Aesthetic Abortion Center, Florida inspectors noted that there was no restroom at the facility. Patients and staff were forced to share a portable commode. Inspectors also noted that there was no hot water to ensure proper sterilization of the equipment and physicians or employees.
    No surgical gloves, soap or hot water found
    At the Ladies First abortion clinic in Florida, inspectors stated that there was no hot water and the hot water taps had been broken for some time.
    According to an October 5, 1989 PR Newswire story (Florida HRS closes Broward County abortion clinic, agency claims facility worse of recent closings), there was no soap at the clinic’s three sinks and there wasn’t a single sterile surgical glove in the place. Meanwhile they were doing abortions.
    Reports stated that a filthy mop that a veteran public health doctor said stunk of dried blood was stored with medical supplies.
    Green mold, blood soaked table, and no soap inside
    Florida’s Blue Coral Medical (abortion) Center in Miami was inspected by the state.
    Greg Coler, secretary of the State Department of Health said, “the Blue Coral clinics, appears to be little more than a satellite operation. There was actually an abortion-suction device in this place that had green mold growing on it. When we got there, there wasn’t any soap in the place, so our inspectors had to go next door to wash their hands.”
    It also reported that the stirrups on one table was covered with blood and an oxygen mask still had lipstick on it from a patient who had needed it some time before.
    In addition to inspectors finding that that there was no soap in the abortion facility, they also noted that the facility staff could not find a single sanitary surgical glove, yet they were doing abortions.
    The clinic inspectors temporarily shut them down under an emergency order describing “deplorable conditions,” including a suction device with “green mold” growing in it; improperly discarded bloodstained sponges; generally poor infection control; about 70 different kinds of medication with expired dates; unsafely administered general anesthesia; stirrups covered with blood; and untrained workers monitoring women in recovery.
    Abortion clinic uses dishwasher to sterilize
    On June 16, 2005, the Kansas City Pitch Weekly did an in depth article on the horrific conditions at one Kansas abortion clinic.
    The article, uniquely entitled, Mm, Mm Good, Startling allegations against an abortion doctor have been the centerpiece of two years of legislative warfare in Kansas, described photos taken at an abortion clinic owned by abortionist Krishna Rajanna in this way, “One photo showed that a bathroom used by patients and staff doubled as an instrument-sterilization room. The toilet had a brown stain smeared across the seat, and Styrofoam soda cups were stacked next to and on top of it. A pile of clutter and a broom sat next to the toilet, and a bottle of Always Save bleach sat on a dingy, peeling linoleum floor near full, open trash bags”
    The Pitch indicated that Rajanna’s medical equipment was cleaned with Clorox and water then put in a “dishwasher”.
    Inspector calls abortion clinic the most appalling
    The Boston Globe (Board suspends Malden doctor mistakes cited in abortion: 5/8/2003) and the Boston Herald, (State board: Abortion case ‘appalling’: 5/9/2003) reported that Malden police shut down the one-room office of Massachusetts abortionist Jian Yu which the medical board said had no running water or sterilization equipment.
    Yu had voluntarily stopped practicing in March because of the investigation.
    The Boston Globe reported that state medical board suspended Yu’s license after he endangered the life of a 21-year-old woman by twice botching an abortion.
    Achen Audesse, executive director of the state Board of Registration in Medicine said Yu had met all the requirements for obtaining a license in Massachusetts.”He was certified by the international certification organization, had gone to an acceptable medical school, had all the required training and English skills and had passed his national boards,” she said.
    In any case, Audesse said, no procedure of any kind should have been performed “in an office without running water, appropriate sterilization equipment, emergency equipment or a plan for an emergency response in case of complications.”
    Audesse called the standards evidenced in Yu’s office “the most appalling I’ve ever heard of in my time here.”
    She said the patient was “particularly vulnerable. She didn’t speak much English and wasn’t familiar with the U.S. health-care system.”

  36. Ugh, how disgusting and sad. What on earth is the matter with people, anyway?
    Reminds me of a case where a teenager gave birth in a school bathroom and tried to flush the baby down the toilet. She stuffed his mouth with toilet paper when he started to cry. She “succeeded” in murdering the child before she was discovered.
    Our society is in a sad state when an infant is seen as something that SHOULD be flushed down the toilet… or killed by any means at one’s disposal and thrown in the trash. Or abused, neglected, or murdered in any other fashion. Heaven help us.
    And by the way, pro-abortion folks who were directly involved in inflating pre-legalization “back-alley” abortion death statistics have ADMITTED to doing so.
    The VAST MAJORITY of pre-legalization abortions were performed by LEGITIMATE DOCTORS – they just did it without fanfare/advertising because of the legal status of abortion. MOST illegal abortions (something on the order of 90 percent) were done using the same medical skill as any other procedure of that day. Very few abortions were self-induced or done by a layperson. See the RealChoice blog (www.realchoice.blogspot.com) for LOTS of good info about all that.

  37. This is also my life experience – every person I’ve ever met who is proabortion either has had at least one abortion, or is heavily involved in the abortion industry or is deeply entrenched in the contraceptive lifestyle.
    Posted by: angel at December 16, 2009 7:19 AM
    -For the record, similar to the poster above…I do not fit your profile of those who are ‘proabrotion’, either. I am a former clinic volunteer, taking a hiatus due to scheduling conflicts (perhaps this labels me as someone ‘heavily involved’ to you). Instead, I’m just someone who believes in the cause. No tragic backstory, I’m afraid.
    And what does ‘deeply entrenched in the contraceptive lifestyle’ mean? Are you referring to anyone who uses birth control?

  38. For the record, similar to the poster above…I do not fit your profile of those who are ‘proabrotion’, either. I am a former clinic volunteer, taking a hiatus due to scheduling conflicts (perhaps this labels me as someone ‘heavily involved’ to you). Instead, I’m just someone who believes in the cause. No tragic backstory, I’m afraid.
    You support killing babies so much that you donate your time to a business that kills babies. How is that not pro-abortion?
    I donate my time to lots of charities and I’m proud to say that I’m pro-child advocacy and pro-prenatal care and pro-the work these groups do. If you are ashamed to support what you enable so much so that you reject the label, then something is wrong there.

  39. Did you know that the founding women of womens lib such as Susan B. Anthony were very against abortion not because of religion but because they believed it exploited women. Planned Parenthood and abortion clinics were originally funded in part by the KKK and placed in poor inner cities to “control the minority population.”
    I have counseled many post abortive women over the years and most say the same thing, “I wish I’d never had it.” If you work at an abortion clinic then you do not see the aftereffects a year, five years or twenty years down the road. Planned Parenthood will tell you Post Abortion Stress, PAS is a myth. That’s interesting since it is an approved psychiatric diagnosis in the DSM. I’ve personally counseled women who exhibit signs of this illness with symptoms as mild as sadness over the abortion to a few who were suicidal and felt they could not live with what they had done. (These women were sent to the hospital immediately.) Here is the question, if you feel bad about something doesn’t that usually mean you did something wrong?
    How can you perceive an unborn child as a thing? The baby’s heart is beating at four weeks. Doesn’t that mean the baby is alive?
    90% of our ultrasound clients change their minds about having an abortion after seeing there baby on the monitor. This is whether it is a six week or 16 week pregnancy. Most people are horrified at second and third trimester abortions but not first. Being a sonographer I can assure you that it is not a blob of tissue even in the first trimester. Most abortions are done at ten weeks. At ten weeks the baby has eyes, nose and a mouth and even fingernails on his/her fingers.
    How many couples out there have been on adoption lists for years without success? I always applaud the woman who keeps her baby or decides to make an adoption plan. That is a selfless woman. Abortion is the ultimate selfish act never giving the child a chance.
    Women out there need to be responsible with their sexuality. 98% of all abortions are performed on women who it is not convenient for them at that time. Less than 1% are for rapes due to DNA evidence. It is not right to end a human life whether unborn or elderly.
    It is very true that there is so much financial help out there for women with unplanned pregnancies that abortion should not be an alternative.

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