Obama to sign pseudo pro-life exec order behind closed doors; no press allowed
From the Washington Times this morning:
A day after a lavish bill signing White House ceremony on health care reform, President Obama will sign an executive order barring the law from allowing federally funded abortion, but he’ll do so behind closed doors and with no media allowed….
The executive order, which the WH said Tuesday “reaffirms the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Acts consistency with longstanding restrictions on the use of federal funds for abortion,” was crucial to securing the votes of at least 10 pro-life Democrats.
Led by Rep. Bart Stupak, the group threatened to vote against the bill – which passed by a 7-vote margin, 219-212. In furious last-minute negotiations, the WH offered the executive order as a compromise, and with just hours to go before the vote, the group abandoned its opposition.
The order bans the federal government from using taxpayer money for abortions offered through insurance exchanges created under the new law. Critics feared that community health centers would be allowed accept federal money for abortions.
On Wednesday, Mr. Stupak and 12 House Democrats will attend the subdued ceremony, along with Sen. Bob Casey, who helped draft compromise language.
At least according to the WH: Not even a photographer will be allowed into the Oval Office to capture the moment.
My guess is neither side wants the attention. BTW, you can’t “compromise” on abortion. Either you allow it or you don’t. And interesting that Casey had his hand in this. Another turncoat. But we knew that.
[HT: Michelle Malkin on Twitter; photos via United Press International]<
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
This doesn’t shock me in the least. I wish the media would be honest and admit that the EO does jack squat, but what can you expect?
Mythological creatures:
1. The Tooth Fairey
2. Unicorns
3. Pro-Life Democrats
I was skeptical of “Democrats for Life” when I first became aware of the group a couple years ago, largely because overturning Roe was not on their agenda. But as the months leading up to Sunday’s vote passed, I began to think they might actually be sincere.
I was had.
“Democrats for Life” exists for one and only one reason: to further the party’s anti-life agenda by giving the likes of Stupak and Casey cover.
Mythological creatures:
1. The Tooth Fairy
2. Unicorns
3. Pro-Life Democrats
I was skeptical of “Democrats for Life” when I first became aware of the group a couple years ago, largely because overturning Roe was not on their agenda. But as the months leading up to Sunday’s vote passed, I began to think they might actually be sincere.
I was had.
“Democrats for Life” exists for one and only one reason: to further the party’s anti-life agenda by giving the likes of Stupak and Casey cover.
If they were serious about the EO provisions, then they would have amended the legislation. They aren’t serious, which is why they want as little attention and no photo-documentary evidence of the sham.
Tuesday, March 23, 2010
The Profound Nature and Origin of Civil Rights
The man who occupies the Oval Office says that it is a human right to have health care. The list of “rights” oft enumerated by socialists are many, but few are ever allowed once the heavy hand of government forcefully intervenes in the private lives of citizens. This is why Americans must understand where their rights originate and be able to discern and identify the cleaver wiles of evil principalities’ and their human minions’ deception of using heart strings to access purse strings. How often have we heard the socialists say that every citizen has the right to a house, to health care, to welfare, to abortion, to sexual perversion–all rights that come with a cost to society as mandated by government.
The original right of self determination and free will was documented in Genesis 2:16, “And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof, you shall surely die.” Here the Lord God put man in charge of the garden (the right to property and dominion over it) and he gave him free will to commune with God and to partake of all that was in the garden, except for one thing–the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God said here that if you take of this tree you shall surely die. Here the Lord was protecting man from sin, which causes death.
God revealed His law to man through the Ten Commandments and the subsequent laws found in the first five books of the Bible. These enumerated the rights of mankind and how they were to be lived. All rights come from God, not from man or from government. The government of Moses and subsequent rulers in the Bible was set in place to administer and to guarantee that the rights of man given by God were protected from those who would infringe or usurp them. It is in this template that great charters of human government were developed–the Magna Carter, English Common Law, the Constitution of the United States.
These documents recognized that the rights of mankind were endowed by God and that government is established to protect these rights. It cannot be clearer why those with wicked hearts would wish to undermine God and establish their own system of rights and government. If the socialists, for example, can dispel the people from believing the Creation account and confuse citizens on the basic tenets of God’s word, then laws and rights endowed by man can be established giving certain men advantage over others. Even better if this confusion can come from the pulpits in the houses of God. Then the evil ones have control over the life and death of the citizenry.
Have a Blessed and Powerful Day!
Bill Wilson
Word of Life Ministry
http://www.dailyjot.com
The ironic thing is that Obama’s health care, which horrifies conservatives, could very well prevent many poor women from having abortions in the first place, because it might do a lot more to help the poor.
If this happens, I will be all for it.
But the same conservatives who are so vehemently opposed to what has just beem passed support conservative econonomic policies which create conditions which cause so many abortions.
It’s so deliciously ironic.
Robert,
Why would you want to prevent poor women from having abortions in the first place?
Oh Mr. Barger:
You are so, so silly.
Haven’t you heard?
THE US IS BANKRUPT. OBAMA’S AGENDA IS TO DESTROY AND WEAKEN THIS COUNTRY FROM WITHIN. WE ARE COMMITTING NATIONAL SUICIDE.
But this doesn’t surprise me since as we have allowed the slaughter of millions of innocent children, we too will perish without mercy.
Deliciously? What a very “odd” word to use to describe anything having to do with abortion…
Anyway, let’s be honest. How are US economic policies to blame for women not keeping their legs together and their dignity intact, or is that too old fashioned a concept?
Let’s call this what it is… this is not an economic problem, it is a morality problem.
This is about women demanding more of themselves and their men, because God made them all beautiful and worthy of way more than casual s*x.
They wish abortion was a non-issue and they don’t want the public talking about it. One good thing that came from all this is that by mandating we pay into their abortions they have given us a reason and a “right” to bring up the issue anywhere and everywhere. It is no longer a private decision between a woman and her doctor cause we are being forced to pay for it so we can object ANYTIME ANYWHERE till this is repealed. This has given ne the ability to talk openly with many people and in places that I previous could not bring up the subject. And I am taking the opportunity to tell them about Obama’s partial birth background etc. etc.. etc…
Robert doesn’t know it but he is a closet eugenicist and really cant’ be taken seriously.
To him the solution is to eliminate poverty by having the government provide womb to tomb benefits.
He forgets one major, major problem which is the condition of the human heart.
He is a typical Liberal without the ability to think clearly and is exactly why we must crush his Party of Death in ’10 and ’12.
Phil, CBO says this Bill will cut the budget by many millions. Haven’t YOU heard?
The last great pro-life Democrat was Bob Casey Sr. Despite being called a “redneck Irishman from Scranton,” he was beloved by the people of Pennsylvania. I met him in person and he was a charming man.
In a way I’m glad he’s gone because he would have been horrified by his son’s behavior. Rest in peace, Governor Casey.
Pro-Life Dems certainly looked bad this past week. That being said, I want to say I think that its important to move forward with an understanding eye.
There certainly is no “compromise” when it comes to abortion; and in that vein, the EO should not be tolerated as a victory for Stupak & co.
That being said, pro-life law will never become the standard in this country if we allow the issue to become politicized – the two-party system is not going away, and the pendulum swings too often for any one party to enforce its will for too long a time. I think we should make a better effort to embrace pro-life dems, all the flaws considered.
As angry as I was with Stupak’s position, and whether or not it results in more unborn deaths, I would still root for him or Casey like crazy if either decided to bid for the democratic party’s candidate for the White House or other bigger position.
Robert,
40 Years of welfare and free healthcare for the poor, along with abortion on demand has led to the collapse of the Black family and further enslaved a people for whom civil rights have become a farcical illusion, the fruits of which being kept just out of reach by the poverty and misery they have engenedered.
Abortions are not a function of poverty, nor are they a function of wealth.
Abortions are a function of a societal narcissism that encourages sex beyond the protective bonds of marriage. That narcissism then demands that the baby be destroyed.
Narcissism, to the extent that we have welcomed it, is the very face of the demonic in our lives.
“Phil, CBO says this Bill will cut the budget by many millions. Haven’t YOU heard?”
Hal, the CBO immediately issued corrections that upped the price, and failed to consider the Dr. fix and other budgetary slights of hands.
Oh Hal:
You still are believing what you want to hear.
The CBO made so many qualifying caveats in the report conclusions that nothing in it can be relied upon or believed, further, garbage in/garbage out. You can control the what any report says by what you tell the analysts. Believe me, it happens to me every day. And you think I’m gonna believe that the Obama administration was 100% honest about this. C’mon, they think killing unborn children is OK.
Use some logic my friend. You can’t add 30 million people to the health care roles and not add costs, a lot of costs. Further, everything done by the government, because of the bureaucracy and lack of competition makes any estimates fruitless. Or haven’t you heard than SS and Medicaid are insolvent or that they are going to hire 16,500 IRS agents to enforce compliance?
Nations rise and fall my friend and we are about to fall. History proves that pride goes before a fall and whenever I look at Nancy Pelosi she is possessed by pride, savors in it and is defined by it. I can’t stand to even look at her. God is laughing at us.
It was a good ride, however, I’m looking forward to my heavenly home anyway and I’m trying to take as many people there with me by telling them about the love of Jesus Christ. Sadly, many will not take the offer since the tendency of the human heart is to believe a lie. And this government health care program is one of the biggest lies ever told.
Hal: You are an intelligent individual. Because of that I am thinking what you are saying is in jest. But just in case you are serious can you give one example of a federal entitlement program that came in at or under the cost projections?
This is about women demanding more of themselves and their men, because God made them all beautiful and worthy of way more than casual s*x.
Posted by: mama at March 24, 2010 10:42 AM
Your contempt for women is duly noted – but it certaily dovetails with the patriarchal world view which seeks to portray women as the cause of the demise of many a virtuous man. In fact, the Catholic Church believes that women “carry” original sin. But back to your statement about women “not keeping their legs together” – a statement which seems to say that sexual women are “sluts.” Are you aware that many married women have abortions? I thought that the traditional view of marriage is that a woman must give in to her man. Go figure. The idea that single women must be celibate is truly idiotic and doesn’t work. Believe me, I went to a Catholic school which taught abstinence under penality of mortal sin and that didn’t work!!!! I do believe that the anti-choice movement is also anti-sex and resents the sexual freedom that today’s single women have – freedom that is enhanced with contraceptives which occasionally fail and hence the need for abortions. And BTW, you cite women’s legs needing to be kept shut. How about men’s zippers?
Perhaps since Jill likes to keep running tallies on various items (votes pledged to the health care bill, how many Vicodin Angie Jackson has taken, etc.) she could be so helpful as to keep a tally of the number of non-Hyde abortions paid for by taxpayer dollars.
Kudos to Artemis! Well put!
“I think we should make a better effort to embrace pro-life dems, all the flaws considered.–Alex”
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Why? AT least with true Pro-lifers and true Democrats, you know where they stand come hell or high water…these so-called “pro-life Democrtats” only pay lip-service to the issue and fold when the going gets rough…
“Phil, CBO says this Bill will cut the budget by many millions. Haven’t YOU heard?”
Posted by: Hal at March 24, 2010 11:00 AM
This bill is robbing Peter to pay Paul in more ways than one.
Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. stated this morning in a radio interview that this healthcare bill will REQUIRE cuts in OTHER social programs. When asked which ones, his response was “I don’t know”.
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Isn’t it ironic that the MSM is obsessed with bashing the Republican Party just days after the MOST IMPORTANT piece of legislation in the history of the world has passed? I’d like to hear a line by line reporting of what we have to look forward to as far as our healthcare is concerned. Obviously they don’t have a clue and don’t care. They can keep their jobs. Case in point – A woman went in for a mammogram on Monday morning and was livid when she found out she had to pay for it. She thought the new healthcare program would pay for everything.
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Hal, Rush L. is on a roll today. You’d probably enjoy his show.
Jill,
That first photo of the two giddy school girls fawning over that rock star is PRICELESS.
My guess is that the Oval office signing is the cover for a major lunchtime victory celebration with champagne and caviar. Of course, no cameras allowed.
“Use some logic my friend. You can’t add 30 million people to the health care roles and not add costs, a lot of costs.”
having uninsured people get sick and then paying for it is very expensive too.
Let us remember, an executive order can be rescinded with the stroke of a pen.
Peter,
Let’s also remember this EO is good for the bottom of the bird cage and little else.
It insults the intelligence of the American people.
Hal,
I hear reports there are people already showing up in ERs and at health centers expecting “free” tests and treatment. Gee, I thought gov’t care meant no more crowded ERs. Everybody would visit the doctor.
They apparently thought passage of this bill meant Christmas is here already. Wasn’t some guy in North Carolina quoted as saying how health care would be free, no bills, just like having Christmas? Kind of reminds you of the woman who thought Obama’s election meant she wouldn’t have to make her house or car payments.
Believe me my friend this is only the start. I’ve been in the medical area long enough to know what happens when people think they’re getting something for nothing.
Rescue squad treatment in my city used to be free. It was so badly abused the city had to start charging.
You see Hal, people don’t realize that “free” only means someone else is footing the bill.
Oh, and did you hear tanning salons will already be hit with tax increases? Yes, those small businesses often run by young women. Gee, that could mean fewer customers, less employees, and business closings. I thought just the wealthy would be taxed.
For heaven’s sake Hal open your eyes.
Nancy looks like she’s had some fresh botox injections.
Yep, Mary. I think we can thank Nancy for avoiding the “BoTax.”
That might have actually effected her. Can’t have that…
Hi Lauren,
And to think we could have paid off the national debt…..:)
Hiding behind closed doors-I guess- is the Chicago way. Nothing Barry does surprises me. Barry is a student of Saul Alinsky’s. Sad but true.
Being pro-choice doesn’t mean that yo WANT abortions to happen. It just means that you are realistic enough to realize that you cannot stop abortion by making it illegal, and that this only increases the them,causes many women to die or be seriously hurt, and that this just increases overall human misery,despair,poverty,crime and unemployment.
And if you think that there’s no connection between poverty and abortion,you are dead wrong.
It’s not the existence of welfare etc that you cite which has caused so many problems in Americansociety. The situation is much more complex than that, and it isn’t liberal democratic politicians who are to blame for the so-called”breakdown of the family”. Conservative republicans are just a smuch to blame. There’;s plenty of blame to go around.
But the economic policies which conservative politicians in Washington and the tea partiers advocate would be be far worse.
That’s right; just keep reducing taxes,give all the tax breaks to the wealthy,deregulate business,
make abortion illegal and also ban contraceptives, get rid of all or most government entitlements etc. This is a recipe for a catastrophe infinitely worse than anything that might happen during the Obama presoidency.
And yes, like all pro-choicers, I want to prevent as many unwanted pregnancies as possible and eliminate the need for abortions, and do more to provide for poor unwanted children. That’s the only way to deal effectively with the abortion problem. What anti-choice conservatives advocate will only make a bad situuation far,far worse.
Guys, look. There are pro-life Democrats out there. I’m a pro-life liberal, though I don’t like to call myself a Democrat because they aren’t liberal enough for me.
Robert:
Stop making the absurd “argument” that prohibiting abortion crime will not reduce the incidence of this crime, but will increase it. This is completely preposterous.
Do you think that statutes prohibiting crimes increase crime? Do you favor the repeal of laws against murder, rape and armed robbery so that we might reduce the incidence of those crimes?
An illegal abortion crime industry is actually very fragile and vulnerable. Criminal abortionists do not usually get repeat “customers” and must continually advertise for new “customers”. This leaves them highly vulnerable to stings and to disruption by the hundreds of thousands of pro-life volunteers who will be mobilized to help law enforcement by relentlessly exposing and disrupting abortion criminal activity.
Prior to 1967, we did not have an organized unborn human rights movement. That will not be the case in the future. When we prohibit prenatal homicide, we will have the strongest effort in history to suppress this crime. I believe it can be suppressed up to 90 per cent, by making it virtually impossible to operate an abortion crime business or to find a criminal abortionist to kill your child without being caught up in the stings that will be literally everywhere.
No stone will be left undisturbed in the effort to stop the killing of children.
Remember, only ignorant and irrational people support prenatal homicide. Show some conscience and stop promoting this terrible crime against human beings.
Nulono,
Would you be interested in running for Congress? :)
Mary @ 2:09 PM,
The amount of confusion will be incredible. No one supporting it cared about the substance of the bill. Silly people. We are in it for the long haul.
Robert,
What is so wrong with reducing welfare programs? Have you heard the old saying, “Give a man a fish, he’ll eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he’ll eat for a lifetime.” ? When people expect and receive a free ride, they lose their motivation to work and succeed.
RSD,
Because if we ever want an unquestionably pro-life nation, we can’t stay camped out in the GOP. Once we accept strict identification with a party (the GOP) or a religion, or a particular candidate, our views get glued to something they shouldn’t.
As a result, you have what happened this past year. People hated Republicans for issues generally not related to the pro-life issue, but the pro-life contingent took a hit nonetheless. If being pro-life remains simply a niche on the other side of the isle, the issue becomes politicized more than about doing what is right – and that’s the greatest danger in my eyes.
Posted by: Joe at March 24, 2010 3:55 PM
Hey Joe – do you remember the “good old days” when abortion was banned? Despite the best efforts of the morality police, women had back alley abortions or used various “remedies” (I did!) to terminate their pregnancies. If you want to read about the down side of that, read “Revolutionary Road” (recently made into a powerful movie). But I suppose these women were sinners and deserved what they got, right? But here’s the thing. Even if the anti-abortion goon squad (perhaps you could monitor every pregnant woman) could eliminate illegal abortion, the wealthy women of means (many of them were moms of my childhood friends) will get “D&C’s.” Others will either fly to Europe or drive to Canada. And here’s another thing. You might be able to ban abortion in the old Confederacy – but you will never ban it in secular, gay friendly, pro-choice New England – home of the original Revolution. We will continue to welcome those women who want to abort their fetuses (and that’s what they’re called in biology textbooks). Unless, of course, armed guards stop them at the borders. While you view these fetuses as children – the law doesn’t. Ah, as the Bard says, there’s the rub. Sorry Joe, that’s the reality.
Well Artemis,
Since you’re still with us this method of self induction must not have been particularly dangerous or difficult. I know a nurse who planned to use one such method herself. Are you aware the death rate from illegal abortion prior the year prior to Roe was at an all time low? Did you know most illegal abortions were done by doctors in their offices, by nurses, midwives, and other medically trained people? Are you aware the late actor Frank Sinatra’s mother was a midwife who was trained to do abortions? Our town abortionist continued to do abortions in his office after Roe, as he did them before.
Obviously abortion horror stories have been exaggerated, even blatantly lied about. Why you even acknowledge that illegal abortion doesn’t mean woman dying like flies from illegal abortion. You’ve just blown a major PA argument out of the water.
Oh, speaking of laws. Have you noticed that laws never stopped rape? People who want to commit acts of sexual violence against another human being will, no matter what the law says. Just look at Bill Clinton. Sooo, I’m sure you will advise that efforts to stop and punish any acts of rape immediately desist. Repeal any laws. Keep rape legal and respectable. Certainly rape in the home or bedroom is preferable to an alley or parking lot. Just using your rationale Artemis.
But abortion is NOT murder, and not a crime. It’s a tragedy. And it’s true. Whenever a nation outlaws abortions, the abortion rate inevitably rises, and more and more women die from botched illegal ones. This has always happened.
All my claims are backed by facts. Just check.
Brazil is the world’s largest Catholic nation, and abortion is officially illegal there. Yet every year, more abortions occur than in the US.
The Brazilian government doesn’t even pretend to enforce the law, because it can’t!
And no, just ending welfare won’t help people the least bit. The saying”give a man a fish etc” doesn’t apply here.
A lot of people on welfare actually want to work and become self-sufficient, but it’s not easy to succeed if you’re born poor and on welfare.
In order to get more people off of welfare, it’s necessary to make it possible for them to find jobs that pay enough to get by, and this is anything but easy.
If you’re poorly educated,as so many young poor people are, it’s awfully hard to get a good job.
Heck,even young people who graduate from college today and even have master’s degrees are having a very rough time today.
Hate to break this to ya, holy Mary; but what Clinton and Lewinski did was consensual sex. As far as his “raping” other women, no charges were ever filed so any talk about rape is just part of the right wing smear machine. And here’s another thing, Mary. Rape and abortion are two different things. An abortion is done because a woman gives her consent. A rape is a crime of violence against an unconsenting post born person. A fetus cannot be “raped.” And regardless of the supposed “horror stories” (and I was there, were you?) should women really be forced to douche with physo-hex acne medication? Illegal abortion was very risky. Legal abortion – despite your horror stories, not so much. But abortion as rape. Talk about apples and oranges. Good lord, that’s truly twisted. I really need to share that one….
Posted by: Robert Berger at March 24, 2010 6:13 PM
There’s a reason why poor women get abortions. In the words of that great 20’s song, “the rich get rich and the poor get babies.” Ain’t we got fun!
And speaking of Brazil. A friend of mine, an Episcopalian woman priest, frequently does mission work in Brazil. She says that the poor women in the slums are so envious of women in the US who can access birth control and abortion both of which are illegal in Brazil due to the influence of the Catholic bishops. Hence, poor women have too many children and that’s why there are armies of street children in Brazil. Of course if the forced childbirth crowd here got their way, we would be in the same situation as Brazil.
Also, France, with it’s socialized medicine that costs far less and has a much better outcome than the US, has abortion on demand and a much lower abortion rate than the US.
Ain’t we got fun.
Hate to break this to you Artemis, I wasn’t talking about Lewinski. Do the names Paula Jones, Juanita Broderick, and Kathleen Willey ring a bell? I thought they would.
Oh of course, right wing smear machine. LOL. The fact charges weren’t filed does not mean a crime wasn’t committed. You ladies on the left have an interesting double standard. Were any criminal charges filed against Clarence Thomas? I would think accusations of sexual assault would be considered far more serious than accusations of lousy pick up lines.
The issue isn’t whether abortion and rape are two different things. Your argument is that if a law doesn’t stop a certain behavior and people will do it no matter what then why have the law? OK, I’m just applying that argument across the board.
Your rationale Artemis, not mine.
Now if illegal abortion was so risky, why was the death rate steadily declining? Why did abortion advocates, by their own admission, deliberately lie about the death rate?
Even you acknowledge that making abortion illegal will not result in women dying right and left from illegal abortion.
Phisohex douche? Good grief Artemis that’s amateur hour compared to what I have seen people do to themselves. Ever see someone after they’ve injested a can of Drano crystals? No Artemis it wasn’t a woman trying to abort, it was a depressed elderly man trying to kill himself. That wasn’t the worst.
Artemis,
I’m sure the poor women of Brazil envy many things enjoyed by American women, like education, opportunity, sanitation, health care, and legal protection from abuse.
Can you tell me if anything is being done to truly better the lives of these women in these areas or is just getting rid of their children a lot quicker and easier?
Check out France and their socialized medicine Artemis, its breaking the country. Also, I don’t recall if it was in France or another European country but women called “angels” who have been performing abortions for generations continued to do business even after abortion was legalized. It wasn’t that women couldn’t have legal abortions its that they didn’t want them. They preferred the privacy provided by angels and saw no reason to stop trusting their abilities.
Ain’t human nature interesting.
Hal,
I’m all for helping poor people get health care.
This has never been about that Hal and you know it.
This is about an opportunity to sieze power.
Well Hal, war has been declared and war is what they are going to get.
Hi Phil,
Violence and intimidation is in no way supported or condoned by tea party members. Let’s face it, people in the public eye are easy marks, and that includes our lawmakers. Any nutjob with a score to settle can make a threatening phone call or throw a brick. Celebrities are continually stalked, threatened, followed, and sometimes attacked and even killed by deranged fans.
Sean Hannity used to play recordings of hate calls he would get. Talk about venemous. What do you suppose the political leanings of these callers might be?
Didn’t the left have some movie out about the “assassination” of George Bush? Mmmmmmm. Gee couldn’t that be seen as promoting violence? I don’t recall any outrage by the left over this.
Did the Democrats have much issue with Obama’s friends, in whose living room he launched his political campaign though of course he barely knew them, having been leftist terrorist bombers?
Now the left whines and cries about violence and intimidation? I hate to say this but when you govern against the will of the people you may be setting yourself up. That’s why dictators have body doubles and private body guards who swear a personal oath of allegiance to the dictator.
having uninsured people get sick and then paying for it is very expensive too.
So is growing government, which is not an essential piece of reforming health care, but is the biggest component of Obamacare.
A lot of Americans cannot afford attorneys. Let’s nationalize legal services next, ok?
Hi FedUp,
My sister in law needed an attorney for her son. He wouldn’t even TALK to her until she plunked down $10,000. Needless to say she had to take out a loan.
The best divorce lawyer in our small city will win for you every time, but you’ll shell out thousands before she even talks to you.
I’m sure we’ve all heard of innocent people going bankrupt paying legal bills to protect themselves from false charges, prison terms, and slander.
Soooo, when will the gov’t take over the legal profession?
Hi Mary. Funny how all the lawyers in DC were bashing the greedy health insurance companies when the profit margin for their own industry is a lot higher.
Artemis:
Without the benefit of a Catholic education, without the benefit of abstinence only education, without the benefit of being a Christian until I was in college, I was a virgin until marriage. I believe this was by the grace of God in large part–but it happened. My husband, who went to public schools after third grade (but was raised in a Christian home) also was a virgin when we married.
Try again.
I have never felt the need or desire to withhold myself from my husband, except when having sex might have been dangerous to an unborn child (early pregnancy is very touch-and-go for me, and we both love our children too much to risk hurting them). It doesn’t matter what our financial situation is, we will welcome any child God sends us.
Try again.
Pro-marriage, pro-family, pro-life, pro-sex,
“Rape and abortion are two different things. An abortion is done because a woman gives her consent. A rape is a crime of violence against an unconsenting post born person. A fetus cannot be ‘raped.'”
Translation: An abortion (which is an unspeakable act of violence against an unconsenting innocent) is okay because I don’t think they’re a person, so I can do what I want to that person.
So if a man thought a woman wasn’t a real person, then it would be okay for him to rape her, right?
“And regardless of the supposed ‘horror stories’…. Illegal abortion was very risky.”
But it’s so easy any idiot with a turkey baster can do it herself.
All it took to transform dangerous, bloody, murderous, back-alley illegal abortion into a “legitimate medical procedure” that is safe and “helps” women was a few strokes of pen on paper.
You can’t have it both ways. Either women are going to men who were dangerous illegal aborters, and they’re still dangerous, or making abortion illegal will just drive it underground but not make it unsafe. You make it clear you are lying by trying to convince people both are true.
And on Brazil… perhaps Robert and Artemis need to compare notes and develop a consensus:
“Poor women in the slums are so envious of women in the US who can access birth control and abortion both of which are illegal in Brazil due to the influence of the Catholic bishops. Hence, poor women have too many children and that’s why there are armies of street children in Brazil.”
“Brazil is the world’s largest Catholic nation, and abortion is officially illegal there. Yet every year, more abortions occur than in the US.
The Brazilian government doesn’t even pretend to enforce the law, because it can’t!”
Either they’re aborting at record rates and the government is powerless to stop them, or they’re having herds of street children because they can’t access abortion. You can’t claim it’s both ways.
Choose your meme and stick with it.