Abortionist arrested for brandishing gun at pro-lifers
As an aside, apart from the “anti-abortion” part, the Post and Courier provided a fair and balanced intro to this October 3 story:
Charleston – For the past 11 days, anti-abortion demonstrators have gathered at the Charleston Women’s Medical Center… as part of the annual “40 Days for Life” movement against abortion, each of them signing a “statement of peace” before participating.
Police say the protest met a threat Saturday morning when an out-of-state abortion doctor flashed a gun at them.
Police arrested Gary Boyle [pictured left], 62, a Blountville, TN, physician, on charges of pointing a firearm.
Boyle drove into the parking lot of the clinic… at around 8:30 a.m. When 3 protesters, including a 17-yr-old boy, approached him, Boyle brandished a black handgun loaded with 15 rounds, according to a police report.
Boyle then stepped out of his SUV and walked into the clinic without further incident, the report says. One of the 3 protesters, 50-year-old John Karafa, called 911.
“We were like, ‘Well, that was a gun,’ ” Karafa said. “You can’t do that.”
Boyle appeared by video conference at a bond hearing Saturday afternoon dressed in a light yellow button-down shirt…. Magistrate Priscilla Baldwin set his bail at $25,000, which he posted later Saturday.
Whether Boyle performed abortions locally is not known. He and another physician operate the Bristol Regional Women’s Center near his TN home….
The incident wasn’t the doctor’s first legal snag.
He and his partner operated their clinic without a required certificate of need from the TN Health Dept. for several years in the 1990s, and the health department tried to shut them down, according to court filings.
The dispute dragged on for years until 2002, when an appeals judge ruled that the state statute requiring the certificate had violated a woman’s right to privacy.
Well, of course Boyle was there to commit abortions. He certainly didn’t come to the abortion mill for tea. More from the National Catholic Register:
One protester who asked not to be named… said he and 2 others went behind the clinic and stood in the parking lot in expectation of the arrival of the abortionist.
He said they never know which abortionist will come to the clinic as there are 3 or 4 abortionists who alternate duties each week and Boyle had come in from out of state on other occasions but the pro-lifers never had any interaction with him.
“As he pulled into the clinic yesterday he had a gun pointed at us. He had his gun at the window,” he said. “I think he showed the gun to intimidate us. But the guy has no respect for life. He’s been killing babies for 25-30 years. Who’s to know he wouldn’t have pulled the trigger and said we provoked it?”
The pro-lifer said that he was most pleased that the clinic “essentially had to shut down” after Boyle, the abortionist, was arrested. He said he hoped that maybe some women who were considering abortion and couldn’t get one would perhaps reconsider. He said that would be one good thing to come out of this situation.
Yes, hopefully true. According to LifeSiteNews.com:
The Charleston Women’s Medical Center is SC’s largest abortion center, performing 2,550 abortions in 2008, and nearly 55,000 between 1988 and 2008, according to Columbia Christians for Life.
[HT: Columbia Christians for Life; reader Carlos H.]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Soooo….someone who has no respect for life, who kills babies for a living, pulled a gun on people there who were against what he does…and does this SURPRISE anyone????
Every picture of an abortionist I’ve seen looks like this guy. What a lineup. Literally.
Must be the eyes.
Pamela,
I’m not surprised at all.
Carla,
Exactly. The eyes are empty.
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I’m praying for the conversion of abortionists. Who knows, perhaps this man wanted to be arrested. He didn’t have to kill any babies that day.
Just a reminder concerning the legality of abortions, since this is a hot topic and there seems to be a lot of confusing. Abortions are NOT legal, and can never be made legal. Why? Because abortion is murder and murder can never be made legal. We have been duped!! We think that abortion has been made legal by Roe v. Wade, which is a court OPINION, not a legislative act. Courts don’t make law. And even if Congress did make a “law” saying that abortion is legal, that still doesn’t make it so. Why? Because God is the source of law, and He says “Thou shalt not murder”. So what should we do about abortion on demand? Please see our website at http://www.IgnoreRoe.com for a truly pro-life strategy. And if anyone thinks that it is not possible to find Godly men who would, upon being elected to office, end abortion in this way, I refer you to Michael Peroutka’s 2004 campaign for President, and Bobby Franklin, District 43’s Representative to the Georgia House. We need to educate ourselves concerning God’s Law first, and then the U.S. Constitution, and then invoke the doctrine of interposition that says that, if a “law” violates God’s Law, it is NO LAW at all.
Vickie
For those who call abortions “rare” 2,550 abortions in 2008 isn’t exactly what I’d call rare. That’s a lot of abortions. A lot of lives lost.
To put it into perspective for you pro-aborts/pro-choicers: Even one willful abortion is one too many for pro-lifers. The willful killing of babies just so a woman won’t be pregnant anymore is just wrong.
Okay Biggz…here is your cue to lecture us pro-lifers about how violent we all are.
Who drew a gun, Nick?
And then he should have followed him home because any drama near the clinic would be bad for the clinic, right Nick?
Just to add a little more information left out by the media. There is a security guard (with a gun) on Saturdays. I know this because I have been at that clinic several times; however, I was not there when this happened. The guard usually escorts the abortionist through a back/side door at the clinic; the guard then takes the doctor’s car to another place to park it. For some reason the doctor will not park his car on his own parking lot but will park it across the street where pro-lifers usually park. The guard was there when the doctor pulled out his gun.
Pro-life people have been coming to this clinic for many years; and pro-lifers are the ones that usually get harassed. A few months ago one of the volunteers kicked a sign that in turn hit a little girl. I another occasion another volunteer at the clinic spit on a seventy year old man praying on his knees. Sometimes the volunteers will use accordions, bells and other noise making gadgets to keep pro-lifers from talking to people. At one time volunteers assumed a teenage girl present on the pro-life side was there for an abortion and they almost took her in to the clinic when the girl’s father stopped them. How is that for harassing!
I would like to see the video from the clinic’s cameras. They have several of them around their parking area. But then again I don’t think this doctor will willfully give self-incriminating evidence.
Nick,
Your saying that “right-to-lifers are extremely dangerous” is akin to saying eight-year olds are extremely dangerous (because they have also been known to have discharged a gun) – therefore, if an eight year-old approaches you, you are in danger of being shot or otherwise attacked. It’s silly.
Yeah right, Nick – everybody here is packing a 9 milly!
Abortionists are extremely dangerous to unborn children.
Gee… I wonder why this doctor feels the need to carry a gun… oh yea I remember now, murdered doctors…
This doctor has every reason to fear for his life when a group of you approach his car where he has no way of dodging bullets. In the end these charges will be dropped for self defense reasons. If you guys think I am making this stuff up maybe you should look at some of your movements other websites…
There are a lot of members of your movement that promote violence and murder against doctors and women’s clinics staff. During the 40 days of life BS emotions and rhetoric are all ramped up and tensions are high. Of course there would be no violence or need for a gun if you people would just keep your church beliefs in your church where they belong or better yet how about you just mind your own business instead of using violence and intimidation like righteous thugs. You can not deny the amount of violence being leveled at Pro-Choice medical staff.
In the U.S., violence directed toward abortion providers has killed at least eight people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort.[5]
Murders
March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of 1992. Michael F. Griffin was found guilty of Dr. Gunn’s murder and was sentenced to life in prison.
August 21, 1993 Dr. George Patterson, was shot and killed in Mobile, Alabama, but it is uncertain whether his death was the direct result of his profession or rather a robbery.[6][7]
July 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside another facility in Pensacola. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings. Hill received a death sentence and was executed on September 3, 2003.
December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi, who prior to his arrest was distributing pamphlets from Human Life International,[8] was arrested and confessed to the killings. He died in prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag tied around his head. Salvi had also confessed to a non-lethal attack in Norfolk, Virginia days before the Brookline killings.
January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with the crime and received two life sentences as a result.
October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death at his home in Amherst, New York. His was the last in a series of similar shootings against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Dr. Slepian’s murder after finally being apprehended in France in 2001.
May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed as he served as an usher at his church in Wichita, Kansas.[9]
Attempted murder, assault, and threats
According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.[10] Attempted murders in the U.S. included:[5][11][12]
August 19, 1993: Dr. George Tiller was shot outside of an abortion facility in Wichita, Kansas. Shelley Shannon was charged with the crime and received an 11-year prison sentence (20 years were later added for arson and acid attacks on clinics).
July 29, 1994: June Barret was shot in the same attack which claimed the lives of James Barrett, her husband, and Dr. John Britton.
December 30, 1994: Five individuals were wounded in the shootings which killed Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols.
October 28, 1997: Dr. David Gandell of Rochester, New York was injured by flying glass when a shot was fired through the window of his home.[13]
January 29, 1998: Emily Lyons, a nurse, was severely injured, and lost an eye, in the bombing which also killed Robert Sanderson.
May 21, 1998: Three people were injured when acid was poured at the entrances of five abortion clinics in Miami, Florida.[14]
Anthrax threats
The first hoax letters claiming to contain anthrax were mailed to U.S. clinics in October 1998, a few days after the Slepian shooting; since then, there have been 655 such bioterror threats made against abortion providers. None of the “anthrax” in these cases was real.[11][15]
November 2001: After the genuine 2001 anthrax attacks, Clayton Waagner mailed hoax letters containing a white powder to 554 clinics. On December 3, 2003, Waagner was convicted of 51 charges relating to the anthrax scare.
Arson, bombing, and property crime
According to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid (“stink bombs”).[10] The first clinic arson occurred in Oregon in March 1976 and the first bombing occurred in February 1978 in Ohio.[16] More recent incidents have included:[5]
December 25, 1984: An abortion clinic and two physicians’ offices in Pensacola, Florida were bombed in the early morning of Christmas Day by a quartet of young people (Matt Goldsby, Jimmy Simmons, Kathy Simmons, Kaye Wiggins) who later called the bombings “a gift to Jesus on his birthday.”[17][18][19]
October 1999: Martin Uphoff set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, causing US$100 worth of damage. He was later sentenced to 60 months in prison.[20]
May 28, 2000: An arson at a clinic in Concord, New Hampshire on resulted in damage estimated at US$20,000. The case remains unsolved.[21]
September 30, 2000: John Earl, a Catholic priest, drove his car into the Northern Illinois Health Clinic after learning that the FDA had approved the drug RU-486. He pulled out an ax before being forced to the ground by the owner of the building who fired two warning shots from a shotgun.[22]
June 11, 2001: An unsolved bombing at a clinic in Tacoma, Washington destroyed a wall, resulting in US$6000 in damages.[20]
July 4, 2005: A clinic Palm Beach, Florida was the target of an arson. The case remains open.[20]
December 12, 2005: Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe threw a Molotov cocktail at a clinic in Shreveport, Louisiana. The device missed the building and no damage was caused. In August 2006, Hughes was sentenced to six years in prison, and Dunahoe to one year. Hughes claimed the bomb was a “memorial lamp” for an abortion she had had there.[23]
September 13, 2006 David McMenemy of Rochester Hills, Michigan crashed his car into the Edgerton Women’s Care Center in Davenport, Iowa. He then doused the lobby in gasoline and then started a fire. McMenemy committed these acts in the belief that the center was performing abortions, however Edgerton is not an abortion clinic.[24]
April 25, 2007: A package left at a women’s health clinic in Austin, Texas contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death. A bomb squad detonated the device after evacuating the building. Paul Ross Evans (who had a criminal record for armed robbery and theft) was found guilty of the crime.[25]
May 9, 2007: An unidentified person deliberately set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Virginia Beach, Virginia.[26]
December 6, 2007: Chad Altman and Sergio Baca were arrested for the arson of Dr. Curtis Boyd’s clinic in Albuquerque. Altman’s girlfriend had scheduled an appointment for an abortion at the clinic.[27]
January 22, 2009 Matthew L. Derosia, 32, who was reported to have had a history of mental illness [28] rammed a SUV into the front entrance of a Planned Parenthood clinic in St. Paul, Minnesota.[29]
Yep no need to fear the “Pro-life” movement is there….
This is the FBI briefing I attended that a few of you doubted ever happened. The violence on the Anti-Choice side of the abortion debate is no work of fiction…
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) — Documents LifeNews.com obtained today reveal the Obama administration partnered with leading pro-abortion organizations to host an FBI training seminar in August with the main focus of declaring as “violent” the free speech activities of pro-life Americans.
On August 25, 2010, the FBI and the United States Department of Justice co-sponsored a training seminar with Planned Parenthood, the National Abortion Federation and the Feminist Majority Foundation.
When information about the seminar, which took place at FBI headquarters in Portland, Oregon, reached pro-life advocates, they asked officials for permission to attend and were granted access to the seminar and the training materials.
FBI and Obama administration officials provided participants with an 84-page document entitled “Resource Guide: Violence Against Reproductive Health Care Providers” that contained print copies of Power Point presentations prepared by the Justice Department and an analysis of alleged pro-life “violence” prepared by the pro-abortion groups.
(so called) “pro – life” – murders committed in last 17 years – 9
Pro choice murders committed since 1973 – over 52,000,000
Guess who you should be more afraid of depends upon your point of view.
In addition to 50 million violent deaths of pre-born infants, other instances of pro-choice violence perpetrated by various and sundry supporters/providers of abortion include this partial list:
Abortionist Hipolito Barreiro was charged with manslaughter for the January 1983 death of Shirley Payne. Barreiro had previously killed at least three other women with his “safe and legal” abortions, including Ruth Montero in August 1979; Maura Morales in May 1981; and Marta Baptiste in December 1982 (Florida).
Abortionist David Benjamin killed Guadalupe Negron, a mother of four, in July 1993. During the abortion, he lacerated Negron’s cervix and punctured her uterus, causing severe bleeding. Then the abortionist abandoned her. Negron’s autopsy report attributed her death to massive bleeding causing shock and cardiac arrest. Benjamin was indicted and convicted on murder charges due to “depraved indifference to human life” (New York).
Abortionist Arnold Bickham aborted Sylvia J. Moore in December 1986, using first-trimester techniques for a second-trimester pregnancy. He lacerated her internal organs so badly that she collapsed. Bickham called her “lazy” and ejected her from his abortion mill. Moore then bled to death. The postmortem report stressed “gross negligence and abandonment on the part of the original treating physician. In consideration of the above, the manner of death is determined to be homicide” (Illinois).
In April 1998, Phoenix abortionist John Biskind aborted Louann Herron’s 26-week-old preborn child, then left the abortion mill while she bled to death. In February 2001, a jury found Biskind guilty of manslaughter and clinic administrator Carol Stuart-Schadoff guilty of negligent homicide in the Herron case (Arizona).
Kansas City, Missouri abortionist Lynn D. Weller was shot to death in his home in September 1973 by two masked gunmen who were hired by rival abortionist William Carlos. Carlos was angry that Weller was having an affair with his ex-wife (Missouri).
Abortionist Boyd Cooper performed a 23-week abortion on a 2-pound, 2-ounce infant boy, who gasped and attempted to breathe after he was aborted. Cooper made no efforts to revive or help the little one because his parents wanted him dead. So the little baby was placed in a utility room used as an infant morgue. Cooper instructed a nurse, “Leave the baby there — it will die.” The nurse testified that the infant was still gasping in the closet when she returned to work 12 hours later (New York).
In April 1998, abortionist Malachi Dehenre, the primary abortionist at the New Woman Medical Center abortion mill in Jackson, Mississippi, murdered his wife, Mysha Rose Dehenre, who worked with him, by shooting her once in the head with a handgun. Dehenre, who had lost his license to practice medicine in New York, Alabama and Mississippi due to bungled abortions, pled not guilty at his first trial in 2002, and the jury’s deliberations ended in a mistrial. The prosecution retried Dehenre in 2008 based on new evidence. On January 31, 2008, a Jones County Circuit Court jury unanimously convicted DeHenre of manslaughter after deliberating for just 45 minutes (Mississippi).
Notorious Chicago abortion mill owner Kenneth “The Creep” Yellen literally died in the gutter after his gangland-style execution in November 1979, from five shots in the head as he walked to work. The primary suspect was Robin Dragin, a professional burglar with mob connections, who organized a Chicago abortion clinic that had been in competition with Yellin’s operation. Before abortion was legalized, Dragin was a principal in the operation of an illegal abortion ring in the Northwest suburbs of Chicago (Illinois).
Marc Eason was a vocal pro-abortionist who worked at the Dadeland abortion clinic in Miami. He was sentenced to life imprisonment without possibility of parole for the ax-murders of his two roommates. Eason claimed the murders were “justifiable homicide” because the roommates had “complained about his sloppiness.” He also stabbed his abortionist mother, Betty Eason, in the neck with a steak knife (Florida).
In January of 1975, Boston abortionist Kenneth Edelin aborted a live and viable baby boy and then deliberately smothered him. He was subsequently convicted of manslaughter, but the conviction was overturned because of improper jury instructions (Massachusetts).
There are many, many more, but time and space do not allow posting all of them here.
Human Life International has documented more than 8,519 acts of violence and illegal activities by pro-abortionists. These crimes include:
1,251 homicides and other killings
157 attempted homicides
28 arsons and firebombings
904 assaults
1,908 sex crimes (including 250 rapes)
106 kidnappings
420 cases of vandalism
290 drug crimes
1,616 medical crimes
Pro-abortionists have killed:
· 365 abortion clients
· 268 other pregnant women
· 127 other women
· 151 born children (including 72 newborn
babies and infants)
· 296 wanted preborn children; and
• 99 men
Perhaps when the most ideologically pro-choice President and Attorney General are removed from office in January of 2013 a new day in investigating and prosecuting pro-choice criminality will ensue.
WOW you people are just unbelievable… HLI numbers are just flat made up. There is no documentation to back up any of their numbers I know because I have looked. There website is cute enough but nothing to back up their numbers as creditable.
As for the other cases, sure they may be sad stories but they are not premeditated nor will you find a Pro-Choice site cheering about these deaths. Also these make a great case for legal abortion vs prohibition of abortion. The minute you make something illegal the mob sees it as a money making opportunity. Prohibition has never worked anywhere, no matter what you prohibit. You guys go on and on about how “back alley” abortions never happened and yet here you have proof of its existence. This is what happens when the federal government of any country outlaws abortion and it is forced into the dark parts of society.
Lastly Pro-choice people are not coming to your home, or your church and threatening your life and your families lives with violence. We don’t shoot police officers or firebomb buildings. What you have listed are good medical malpractice suits but not premeditated murder. No Pro-choice person has committed an act of terrorism on US soil but many Pro-life people have.
We can argue all day about if abortion is murder or family planning but I doubt we could have much of a debate on if shooting cops or firebombing buildings is terrorism. I think we can all agree that it is terrorism for the purpose of furthering a political agenda through violence, no matter what that agenda is. There are many Muslims who agree with the political agenda of Hamas but deplore the violence Hamas thinks is ok to use to make their political point.
Abortion = Healthcare – still up for debate in the USA.
Firebomb buildings and murder = Terrorism – no need to debate post 9/11
Oh one more thing, about our “Liberal President” all the files the FBI showed us on Abortion terrorists were started during the Bush Jr. years. Our current President had nothing to do with the FBI keeping track of these terrorists. With the radical right losing their freaking minds lately the prospect of future anti-abortion violence is at an all time high. When the Tea party has uneducated leaders who say things like evolution is a myth or masturbation is adultery, or better yet I can see Russia from my house the rest of us cannot count on them for rational thinking. These anti-abortion terrorists have been under investigation for close to a decade now and need to be continually monitored. Nothing hurts the Pro-Life movement more than these acts of terror, just like nothing hurts Hamas’s political agenda outside the middle east more than its acts of terrorism.
Tina Fey from Saturday Night Live
said “I can see Russia from my house.” while doing a spoof of Sarah Palin.
LOL, Biggz.
Spoof, yes Tina Fey made fun of her but thats what she said in an interview during the early McCain run.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/25/palin-talks-russia-with-k_n_129318.html
LOL, Carla
How about the man SHOT and KILLED a year ago, on September 11th because the gunman didn’t like his anti abortion signs? that’s pro abortion violence.
Human Life International does not have false information. The liberal abortion loving main stream media does not report this violence against those who are NOT pro abortion.
Bigzz,
I guess if I listed the abortion deaths from just the last 12 months I would probably exceed the limitations of this website. I think my list just might be longer than yours, what do you think?
The fact that you actually believe that your list is impressive, when usually anything like this – even the murder of Tiller – is denounced immediately by pro-life people and organizations, says more about you than anything about the mindset of your average pro-lifer.
Whether it’s an act of terrorism or not is not the point, but whether or not people die. You seem to not get that. Murder in an abortion clinic is no different in outcome to terrorism. I think it is you that is “unbelievable.”
And regarding your prohibition argument, I guess we should make murder of adults legal so that hit men are cheaper and no-longer ‘back-alley’ operators, right?
I see how this works. If you don’t like the message, discredit it, besmirch it, shoot the messenger.
We pro-lifers completely understand how certain criminals acting on their own hurt our cause. Of course the lib media is quick to assign the motives of the handful of criminals to the millions of pro-lifers. On the other hand pro-choicers want to think their own side is pure as the driven snow.
By the way you are correct that 8519 acts of violence cited by HLI is incorrect. I am certain it is many times greater then that. As an activist in one location in one city I have seen dozens of assualts on the persons of pro-lifers, twice we have had guns flashed (once by an off duty police officer), signs ripped out of the hands of pro-lifers (one was destroyed), threats shouted, cars swerved at us forcing us to step away for safety….and on and on. Never, not once, did I ever witness any kind of provocation from the pro-lifers.
“I think we can all agree that it is terrorism for the purpose of furthering a political agenda through violence, no matter what that agenda is. ”
Once again, it’s a point of view issue. If you don’t thing 52,000,000 murders is furthering a political agenda through violence, then you don’t know anything about abortion. And why are the HLI stats false? Because you say they are?
And a person working at our local abortion provider drove his car purposely near me at least twice – and said ” you better be careful – you would not want to get run over, would you?” The sneer on his face and his tone told me all I needed to know. I gave him a wide berth. And those incidents were not reported.
Needless to say, when I was there, I kept a reasonable distance away from him, for sure.
And when they could, they took my materials (and denied it!). That’s another story.
I keep expecting people to be decent – but maybe I will finally learn to expect anything, especially from those who actually perform abortions…
Regarding the FBI Briefing – and the “Resource Guide: Violence Against Reproductive Health Care Providers”
Pregnancy centers throughout the state of Oregon were invited to attend the FBI training because they deal with reproductive health care in their clinics. Yes. Clinics. Not “fake medical clinics” – but clinics. The only women’s health center nationwide that literally burned to the ground – where the FBI was on scene for weeks (albeit burned to the ground by a meth addict, not a pro-abort) was in Oregon. The FBI included pregnancy centers because violence against them is just as possible as it would ever be for any other women’s health center.
I applaud the FBI for including them.
Your posts make me laugh.
My rights are not restricted.
I have every right to NOT pull a gun on an innocent person or try to run them over with my car. I have a right to stand on a public sidewalk.
Goodness gracious give proaborts a wide berth cause they feel threatened!!
You wish we would find something better to do than fight for the lives of babies and their mothers. Not gonna happen.
“JoyfromIllinois, the person who threatened you with his car had probably received death threats himself”
Well, it must be OK then.
What you should do Nick is give up your insane fight to continue to slaughter innocent children and join the side of peace. This would free your time up to help those who really need it.
Attention to any children that were scheduled to be aborted but were allowed to live (like my friend’s daughter). According to Nick’s logic you can grow up and wield guns around abortion clinics and at abortionists or anyone pro-abortion (like Nick) because your life was threatened and you obviously will still continue to feel threatened by “co-idealogues of the threatmaker”.
Gee, Biggaz — if we anti-choice fanatics so violent and crazy, why aren’t you afraid that one of us is going to come after you? It’s relatively easy to find someone’s address on the internet.
I don’t go to abortion clinic protests anymore — I’m not the confrontational type and frankly, I’m too old for all that drama — but I did have a friend who had hot coffee thrown in her face at an abortion clinic, and she was just standing there with a sign.
Nick said: “What you should do is leave him alone, stay away from him and his workplace. Find something else to do with your spare time.” Ah, this is that go-to spirit that helped abolish slavery…not!
The number of fatality crimes of a few unbalanced people with pro-life views results in LESS deaths per year than the Ru-486 poison that has killed at least one woman per year since it’s release. That’s less than 10 deaths in over 30 years vs. a death per year for poison.
Of course, you also have to believe that unborn children are outside the physical universe, because if they aren’t alive, they must not be growing and developing in the womb.
Clearly more than 50 million pre-born children were in some nebulous cosmic location, hanging out while their un-animated bodies developed in the unwilling wombs of their invaded mothers, who it has been decided have the power over deciding which organisms in the universe are alive and which are dead. This is so durn scientific, gosh. I just love how fact-based and logical the abortion lovers can be.
Next time someone seems to have died and seems to be in need of a coroner’s verification, just call any old teenage girl because she knows and can decide who is alive and who is not! (this sarcastic sentence is not intended to offend teenage girls).
This is so durn scientific, gosh.
:D Ain’t it though?
You know what? I’m pro-life and I don’t condone violence as a means of furthering the pro-life movement. In fact, I’m against the shootings, firebombs, and such. I’m all for carrying signs telling the truth about abortion, prayer, education, and offering women an alternative to abortion. However, no matter HOW peaceful a pro-lifer is, a pro-choicer will always try to discredit them by bringing up the violent ones. This doesn’t discredit all pro-lifers, just the ones who use violent means and condone violence.
I don’t buy into the menality that we should kill abortionists because they abort babies, I believe in peaceful protest and education.
I have never threatened an abortionist or pro-abort with death, I have never thrown any kind of bomb, or any of that.
I have prayed outside an abortion clinic on Good Friday. I have attended pro-life dinners. I have read about abortion and how it’s done. All different forms from chemical to D&E and D&C. I have read up on the alternatives. I have read pamphlets written by medical doctors regarding the problems with abortion/artificial contraception.
None of these things involved violence.
Not all pro-lifers are violent. And not all violent people are pro-life. And I’m sure not all pro-choicers who have waved a gun at pro-lifers were threatened first by pro-lifers. It could be that the pro-choicer decided that they’d take the preemptive strike. The only way to know for sure is to talk to every single pro-lifer and pro-choicer, and I’m not sure one single person can do that. And I don’t think every organization that claims to have polled or even talked to pro-lifers and pro-choicers has even talked to every single one of them, either.
anti -lifers are so fond of stats and studies……How many people define themselves as pro life? What percentage of those people have committed violence? If the percentage of people calling themselves pro life and committing violence is in the minority, then it doesn’t count. You all said so yourselves. Oh….and the study and stats must be subsidized by a pro life organization.
just in case an anti lifer missed this ….. my last post was sarcasm. If somebody commits acts of violence in the name of pro life, than true pro lifers should quickly renounce any association with that person. Just as the dude who almost ran over JoyinIllinois, the person who threw coffee in someone’s face, the person who stabbed some one, et al, should be renounced by anti lifers…….they shouldn’t try to tell JoyinIllinois she should give the violent anti lifer a wide berth, etc. Careful Nick! True colors shining!
I think the simple truth here is that if you use murder and violence as tools as some pro-lifer have in the past then a certain amount of protection would be prudent to any abortion doctor. Dr. Tiller choose not to carry a gun and it didn’t work out to well for him twice. In the case of the protester that got shot and killed, once again there was no premeditation just an over the top emotional response to someone else butting into his life where they had no business being. This murderer did not go looking for a victim or plan on killing anyone that day; he was faced with protesters hurling insults at his wife/girlfriend at a highly emotional time. I don’t condone murder but anyone calling my wife a whore will receive a broken nose quickly. You protesters are injecting yourselves into someone else’s life decisions and addressing them in their faces while they walk into and out of a doctor’s office.
I am not justifying murder here, but I am trying to show the difference in the mentality of the different murderers. One is an emotional response and the other is premeditated political assassination.
Had the protester in question stayed at home that day he would not have been shot, however It didn’t matter where Dr. Tiller was because his murderer was looking for him, scouted out how best to kill him, and to this day shows 0 remorse as well as advocates to others to follow his example on websites like Army of God, or Abortion is Murder. Have a look at those two sites and then see if you can find a Pro-Choice site that advocates violence against Pro-Life figures as ferociously as those “Pro-Life” sites do.
Biggz,
Many of us pro-lifers on here have rejected the violence of murder as a means of protesting abortion. In fact, a good number of us (including myself) KEEP stating that fact.
Pro-Choicers/Pro-Aborts have websites for murder. Planned Parenthood’s site is one. Other abortion clinics are others. Yes, abortion kills a life and since willfully taking a life is murder and pre-born babies ARE lives, that is murder, so those are murder websites. I have yet to hear a pro-choicer truly decry abortion and denounce it.
I reject violence as a means to protest abortion. All I’ve ever tried to do is educate, pray, and remind people that a pre-born baby is a human being and it is a life.
P.S. Perhaps you haven’t been on that Abortion Thank You Website lately. That person is perptuating the idea that abortion is just fine and should even thank people for them. In fact the slogan reads: This is my blog. I love abortion. You really should too. (you can see it here: http://www.prochoicethankyous.com/ –Jill Stanek even posted a blog post about one of the entries on there awhile back).
This person is telling people “I love abortion. You SHOULD too.” You know what that says to me? The same thing you pro-choicers/pro-aborts have a problem with us pro-lifers saying. Telling people what to think and believe and feel. That’s precisely how that reads to me. In fact, the Oxford Online Dictionary says of one of the definitions of “should” is: “used to indicate obligation, duty, or correctness…” http://oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m_en_us1290273#m_en_us1290273
Biggz:
Basically your entire post at 6:45 is factually inaccurate. It misrepresents the actions and thinking of 99.99% of pro-lifers. It also mischaracterizes some web sites as being pro-life when in fact they are no more pro-life than certain anarchist sites are typical of pro-choice.
You will not be satisfied until you demonize all pro-lifers. That reflects some difficulties that cannot be discussed in an open forum. It would be a good thing if there was less stridency in your position. And c’mon–the suggestion that pro-lifers are typically out there calling women whores is just plain over the top.
If you want to wrap pro-lifers in the mantel of rage and mental illness I assure you those behaviors surface far, far more often from those opposed to pro-lifers than it does from pro-lifers.
Why do I say that? For three reasons. One, I have witnessed it first hand scores of times. Second, because many of my fellow pro-lifers have also encountered similar hostilities. And third, because we have pictures and videos that capture just a tiny percentage of these events, but are nevertheless reflective of a certain strain of over the top aggression and stupidity. Here again (I have posted these previously in another thread) are two links within the space of just over one year–and this is just one abortion clinic.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6860854372894347704#
http://al007italia.blogspot.com/2010/08/just-when-you-think-things-cant-get-any.html
Murderer did not go looking for a victim? I’m pretty sure if an abortionist shows up to work he or she is definitely a murderer looking for a victim. You know what my mom calls it when large people perpetrate violence on small people? Bullying. That’s what abortion is Biggz, it’s murderous bullying.
Have a look at those two sites and then see if you can find a Pro-Choice site that advocates violence against Pro-Life figures as ferociously as those “Pro-Life” sites do.
Biggaz, it’s been said over and over again on this website that 99% of prolifers do NOT condone violence against abortion clinics or providers. PC’ers who are always talking about clinic violence remind me of the white supremacists who are constantly talking about blacks and crime (no, I’m not calling you or other PCers racist). Unfortunately, there is a high rate of crimes committed by blacks in this country, but the majority of black people are not criminals and most are not on welfare, but these racists choose to put all of us in one category to justify their hatred. It’s called guilt by association.
Every major prolife organization from National Right to Life to Feminists For Life has CONDEMNED this violence. None of these clinic bombers, etc., was affilited with a mainstream prolife group. Just as I don’t have any association with or control over black gangsters, thugs, hoodlums, etc., prolife organizations have no control over the crazed people who commit violent acts against the clinics.
But even if there was no violence committed by prolifers at all, the PC’ers would still find a way to demonize us. We’re accused of not caring about women, but look at the way the PC’ers attack the crisis pregnancy centers and hotlines. Okay, let’s put signs saying “we do not perform abortions” on every CPC in the country. Hey, let’s have CPC workers have it tattooed on their heads! I bet there would STILL be complaints from your side.
You just want us to go away, and it’s not going to happen.
Someone who promotes violence is as much a Prolifer as Joan is a Catholic.
Back in the 80’s when I spent a few unfortunate years being pro-choice, I never dreamed or imagined that pro-abortion advocates would today be so viciously attacking CPC’s or our freedom of speech. But its happening daily now.
Everything that Biggz, Cranium, Ashley, Joan, and the other say on these comments only validates this fact: Being pro-abortion is a mental illness. One pro-abortionist hurts individuals, many pro-abortionists hurt a community, and a world full of them? They are absolutely working to spread their illness to the rest of humanity until all of us are dead. It is a disease, one that spreads like a bacteria. The cure? Healing. Healing from a secular standpoint, and healing from the Lord. When a body is healing, it repairs the body. As more and more people wake up, and as more come out as Pro-Life, the human body will heal, heart and soul.
Biggz would have a case if the majority of prolifers were violent or promoted violence, but we’re talking 1% here, which is the fringe, the penumbra. Biggz, take it up with the nutjobs; you’re barking up the wrong tree on this site. Go complain on the psycho “prolife” websites you mentioned – that’s your real audience – mentally ill persons who claim to be prolife. Obviously you can’t be “prolife” while taking a life. Tis an oxymoron.
Also, why are prochoicers so quick to defend the violent extremists on “their side”? Prolifers condemn the actions of violent “prolifers” – so why don’t prochoicers condemn the actions of violent prochoicers? Again, another double standard.
‘Being pro-abortion is a mental illness.’ – wow! Have any evidence for this?
‘One pro-abortionist hurts individuals, many pro-abortionists hurt a community, and a world full of them?’ – I disagree, you base this concept on something which never existed as an individual or community member.
‘They are absolutely working to spread their illness to the rest of humanity until all of us are dead.’ – abortion isn’t retrospective. How does everyone end up dead?
‘It is a disease, one that spreads like a bacteria.’ – give me a break! Once again you claim that people who don’t agree with your personal construct are ‘broken’.
Metaphors and similes don’t go over well the with pro-abortion crowd (unless its about a siamese violinist, lol!), but let’s just give one a go:
A species of bird begins to destroy it’s own eggs before the chicks hatch. It starts out just a few birds doing it, but after a time, 1/4 to 1/3 of the eggs are being destroyed, and in some of the bird communities, 42% of the eggs are destroyed by the adult parent birds. Zoologists, being scientists, would immediately recognize that something was going very wrong with the birds. Once the pre-hatched chick destruction increases to a rate at which the birds are killing off more than their own replacement, the species population begins to decline. As this continues the species will grow fewer and fewer in number as the adult birds age out and die. This will happen even quicker, when the birds start attacking the older members of their own species and killing them.
I repeat: Zoologists, being scientists, would immediately recognize that something was going very wrong with the birds. Zoologists would NOT conclude that this is a healthy, thriving bird population.
Now, take a look at the population statistics in Europe, specifically France, the Netherlands, and Eastern Europe, Russia, and observe the way England is tipping. Population winter is real, despite what the hostile skeptics want to believe. As Spanky said, “I tries and tries to learn you, but you just don’t want to know.”
I look forward with great hope for the day when the men of this beautiful country will stand united as the leaders and protectors they were intended to be. Until men (not mankind) see women as the gift they are, until they promise to protect the weaker of this country i.e. women and children, until all men become aware of the dignity for ALL life, we will not see liberty and justice for all.
From the great wisdom of Abraham Lincoln, “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” And let us not forget, “In their enlightened belief, nothing stamped with the Divine image and likeness was sent into the world to be trodden on, and degraded, and imbruted by its fellows.” I feel it imperative to say “freedom” was not intended to be doing whatever we want whenever we want to, rather having the courage to stand up for what is just. In the case of the second quote, well, you’d have to believe, as I, that we are all children of God.
I am so very hopeful that we will find leaders such as Mr. Lincoln who will be grounded on all moral issues. If we don’t have life, nothing else matters.
ninek, abortion is an outcome of the sociological reduction in birthrates, not the cause.
Cranium, if 1/4 to 1/3 of babies were dying before birth of some kind of disease, it would rival even the bubonic plague. When a species turns on itself and becomes lethal to its own kind, it is most certainly a disease, just like AIDs is a disease that compromises the immune system and depression is a disease that compromises the will to live. The will to abort is a mental illness with catastrophic, fatal consequences. Our species is committing murder and suicide at rates unprecedented in all of human history. Wake up!!
Overcrowding, drought, scarcity of resources, an unlivable minimum wage, peoples desire for ‘a better life’ or standard of living.
These are the things which create a lower birthrate and some of the things you have mentioned.
Abortion is merely a by-product.
Some more info on the incident:
Seems that the doctor didn’t pull into the abortuary’s parking lot but into another business parking lot located behind the clinic. There were two men and a 17yo old kid who were standing on the sidewalk close to the entrance of that business. They were just standing there and talking when the doctor slowly drove, with one hand on the wheel and another holding the gun pointed at them, pass them. Initially the 17yo was calling 911, but was too shaken to talk so one of the two adults ended up talking to the dispatcher. The abortionist came from the median lane in a four lane road (Ashley River Rd/61), so he had time to see the two men and the 17yo kid before they saw him. It seems that it was the abortionist that approached these men; after the abortionist drove into the other business’ parking lot, he drove over the grass of that business to reach his clinic. The only time the three prolifers saw the abortionist was when he drove pass them and they were shock that he pointed a gun at them. Please keep the 17yo kid in your prayers, he is still a little shaken.