Husband says abortion vote a hoax, wife says not; meanwhile she’s been aborted from job
Read my previous posts here and here.
Well, no wonder the true intentions of the couple putting their preborn baby’s life up for a vote were difficult to decipher. Turns out Pete Arnold is pro-life and his wife Alisha is pro-abortion.
(Baby boy “Wiggles” is pictured right, waving at the camera at his 17-wk check-up earlier this week.)
First, his side of the story. CNN reported yesterday Pete admitted “they never intended to terminate the pregnancy”:
Arnold… bought the domain name “birthornot.com” before wife Alisha became pregnant about 4 months ago… adding that his wife is pro-choice but agreed that abortion was not on the table for them….
Arnold told CNN… the site was not a hoax even though there were never any plans to accept the vote results if abortion won.
“A lot of people elect representatives based on this issue alone, yet nothing happens, nothing comes of it, nothing changes.” he said, adding that the couple called the baby “Baby Wiggles” to give people more to think about.
“My intent is not to deceive people, but at the same point, I do want people to talk about this. This seemed like a pretty good way to further the discussion, because people don’t ever seem to want to talk about it for real if there’s no name on it, no Baby Wiggles,” he said.
Meanwhile KSTP reported late Monday night that Alisha had been fired from her job at software firm TempWorks as “a grave threat to the reputation of the company.” TempWorks went further, requesting employees to defriend Alisha on Facebook.
… just another reminder of how radioactive abortion is.
Alisha told KSTP, “I’m just completely shocked. I didn’t expect any of this.” Well, Alisha, neither do babies who are also aborted for being inconvenient reputation risks.
Whatever, Alisha had a temper tantrum on her blog early this morning, miffed that Pete was getting all the attention and (correctly) reminding the public she was the boss of this pregnancy:
Recently we were quoted by CNN as admitting that terminating the pregnancy was never on the table. This is simply not true. My husband may wish that that was the case, but our early disagreement about this pregnancy is what lead us to start the website in the first place. I clearly stated this to the reporter at CNN but my opinion was not included in the article that was published. Although my intentions about this pregnancy may have changed over the course of the last few months I definitely didn’t start out feeling confident about proceeding with it. I was very scared and anxious that I wasn’t healed emotionally from the previous miscarriages to be in the right frame of mind to continue an unexpected pregnancy.
You may think that I have selfish reasons for considering abortion, but anyone who has experienced doubts about whether they want to have a baby surely knows that it’s not an easy decision to make. The fact that I have had major complications from the start just made me more wary and unsure. Even this time around I had a threatened miscarriage which could possibly have made the whole abortion issue moot. I’m the one that lost my job because of the media attention that this website has received and yet my opinions and statements seem to be discounted in favor of my husband’s. Since I’m the one carrying the baby it seems to me that this is a terrible oversight on the part of responsible media professionals.
Pete and I are on different ends of the spectrum when it comes to our beliefs about abortion. I’m sure I will receive considerable harassment about this post, but to me until the baby can survive without the mother (otherwise known as viability) it is not a feasible life. So although my feelings about this pregnancy and Baby “Wiggles” have changed during the time that the website has been up and I don’t believe I could go through with an abortion now, it doesn’t mean that I don’t believe in a woman’s right to make that decision.
Many people have talked about my husband’s conservative/libertarian leanings and have made much of his pro-life and conservative posts on other websites. But when it comes to abortion I am the one that wears the pants in the decision because in the end it would be me going through the procedure. Even though my husband’s opinion and beliefs matter to me, I, as the one carrying the baby have the final say about my body and our unborn child. My fears, anxiety and worries about this pregnancy have been completely discounted in favor of discussing my husband’s opinions about unrelated topics like cars and global warming. Abortion is a serious issue and my opinion and position shouldn’t be ignored. Your comments have helped to ease my fears and although I am still cautious about allowing myself to become attached, I am feeling more optimistic about moving forward….
As we go into our Thanksgiving holiday I will be thankful for the continued health of our baby and that I live in a country where dissension and discussion about difficult topics only makes us stronger and ensures our freedoms.
Obviously Alisha had bonding issues with her baby due to her 3 previous miscarriages, which is understandable and sad. That plus the fact she’s pro-abortion and her husband is pro-life fomented the development of this ill-conceived scheme.
At any rate, pro-lifers can rest assured that despite skyrocketing – apparently robo – votes from the cyber-Colosseum mob urging Alisha to abort her baby (75%-25%, a whopping 1.5 million votes to 385k), she won’t be.
Now we just have to pray for the safety of “Wiggles,” Alisha’s continued bonding with him, and the security of their marriage. I’m also hopeful that through this experience Alisha will be converted on the Life issue.
[HT: LifeNews.com]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
What to tell this child someday when he learns of the hoax?? Ugh.
We can also rest assured that the baby will have a lifetime to think about how 1.5 million people who wanted him dead.
Alisha was shocked, shocked!
Never saw it coming, ladies and gentlemen.
Good grief.
I wonder what their son will think when he sees this “but to me until the baby can survive without the mother (otherwise known as viability) it is not a feasible life.” in light of HER life when she’s 90 years old, stuck in a bed, having to have a catheter and feeding tube, and 24/7 nursing care. She better pray to become pro-life so she can teach him to respect life, otherwise hers in in jeopardy down the road.
I still wish this child could be removed from this home and given to real, mature, loving parents. These two are so screwed up. The baby deserves so much better.
These personhood theories are so comical sometimes. How about “but to me until the baby can survive without air (otherwise known as viability) it is not a feasible life.” Why not air? Why not say that in order to be a feasible life you need to be able to survive without air? Yes, I know, because it is USING the woman’s body. But we are USING the earth for its atmosphere. But a woman is different than the earth. A woman has a right to her body. Okay then, why isn’t THAT the argument you are making then? You are saying that because it does not satisfy condition X, it is therefore not a life. But that is not what this supposed counter-argument is arguing anymore. Whether or not it is a life is irrelevant if no one can use someone’s body. The original argument attempted to say something about the ontological status of the unborn; that killing it would be like destroying a piece of paper or a chair since it isn’t a life. But the counter-argument completely ignores teh question of the ontological stauts of the unborn and focuses on teh woman’s rights.
Though I have basically argued with myself here, this is the standard response, and I am sure if I hadn’t anticipated the counter-argument, someone would have made it. The point is that most people who are pro-choice have given almost no thought to their position and when pressed, will mesh together a plethora of arguments in an incoherent fashion with no overarching main syllogism.
I was very scared and anxious that I wasn’t healed emotionally from the previous miscarriages to be in the right frame of mind to continue an unexpected pregnancy.
And as we ALL know, purposely killing one of your children will certainly help you to heal emotionally after losing other children due to miscarriage. (??!?!??)
@Bobby
Remember, humans are the only living organisms to come into existence at the moment the mother says so.
(tnx Chris)
Sounds like the couple really should have had a heart to heart discussion prior to sexual intercourse.
Isn’t that really at the core of what would be considered “planned parenthood”?
This remains an all-around sad story. I pray the couple has healing and that the birth of their son will cement the natural bonding and love that all parents have for their children, despite the unnecessary debacle that they invited during the pregnancy.
Pregnancy is such a precious time in the lives of the husband and wife. I was always caught up in a sense of wonder about the miracle slowly unfolding, as well as being caught up in a profound reverence for my wife, seeing what her body was going through.
How, in this time, a couple who never would abort their baby could even contemplate such an internet endeavor, much less spend their time and energies actually doing so is simply mind-boggling. It not only strikes at the reverence due the miracle of life unfolding in their marriage, but strikes at the reverence due each other as spouses, as parents.
Not the brightest candles on the altar.
They might not be conventional, but I can see where they are coming from. He was in a Trekky chair, right? So they are among the first people they know having kids. It’s like going to another planet, as far as they are concerned. Also, with the Trekkie-ness- have you noticed how each episode of Star Trek, the moral dilemma is discussed and puzzled over, with no reference to the past, or to the human earth past, or anything? Everything is a bizarre new experience that they have to discuss among friends, or reference the Starfleet Academy? You know, almost like liberals and their college philosophy class or at their dorm, later?
I don’t know that they expected older people, people who were in the media, or people who didn’t get their frame of references, to begin participating.
I really, sincerely, hope she is under good care with her doctor.
Fools grow up. They do, enough of the time.
I agree Jennifer, this nut of a mother should be nowhere near children.
Any person voting to abort this baby has a one-way ticket to hell.
Bobby, I totally agree.
What do mothers want? A registered letter from the child asking permission to be in the womb until he can breath on his own?
This is not a decision a woman should ever contemplate or consider making. That is the real corruption that abortion has brought to our society: even married women, all women, every pregnancy is up for debate. That is so ill. That’s why I’m always saying that abortion advocacy is a mental illness.
Using Your child to play control games with your spouse. Nice. These games don’t usually stop at birth. Get some help folks.
P.S. Jerry, I don’t think the candles have made it out of the box yet!
The site was set up in advance and planned–so I don’t buy that this was an ‘unplanned pregnancy’. And while being pregnant while having miscarried previously can be nerve-wracking, why would you want to abort after having tried so hard? It doesn’t make sense. I could be wrong, but I still smell baloney in the air and I don’t think they’ve come clean about everything.
One thing that does ring true in this whole scenario; that Pete/Zeeboid was hoping to use this as a springboard to some kind of fame. The man even set up a fan page on Facebook trying to market himself as a ‘writer’. As odd as it sounds, I think the man had stars in his eyes and he convinced his wife to go through with this scheme. And even when the going got tough I think he convinced her that if they could just hang in there, old Zeeboid’s ship would finally come in.
Is the man a good writer? No. Even with an editor to clean up the numerous spelling and grammatical errors, his skills are mediocre at best. Was his scheme even feasible? Not really. But everything I’ve read so far leads me to believe that Pete ‘Pierre’ Arnold III is basically an egotistical and overgrown child with ambitions that far exceed his abilities.
I could be wrong, but for now this is my theory.
These two are headed for Splitsville. I saw it coming with Angie what’s-her-name and her boyfriend and I’m seeing it coming here. Wow. this poor kid. I don’t think either of his parents sound fit to raise a child.
He was in a Trekky chair, right? So they are among the first people they know having kids. It’s like going to another planet, as far as they are concerned. Also, with the Trekkie-ness- have you noticed how each episode of Star Trek, the moral dilemma is discussed and puzzled over, with no reference to the past, or to the human earth past, or anything? Everything is a bizarre new experience that they have to discuss among friends, or reference the Starfleet Academy?
Did I miss something? I’m a big Harry Potter fan, but I don’t view life like another year at Hogwarts.
“We can also rest assured that the baby will have a lifetime to think about how 1.5 million people who wanted him dead.”
This to me is the saddest thing of all: that someday this baby will know this. I pray God gives this soul a very special guardian angel.
Ah, Jasper, tell us what you really think.
Makes me wonder if she ever seriously thought of abortion because she refers to the pre-born human being in her womb as a baby and I haven’t heard too many people who are in favor of abortion as an option call the pre-born human being a baby. But perhaps she just started calling Baby Wiggles a Baby because she has chosen to give birth. But still, I found that interesting.
She also cited that unless people have been pregnant or scared about pregnancy they have no idea what she was feeling. I’ve never had a miscarriage (praise God) but I have been pregnant and I have faced those fears. What it came down to was a question between right and wrong–not “it’s my body”. What’s right is NOT murdering the pre-born human being–but rather doing all you can to provide and protect that life. What’s wrong is to go ahead and have an abortion. Unfortunately, sometimes even when someone offers support and help a woman STILL decides to have an abortion.
Dr. Gerard,
What a beautiful statement you made about your wife and when she was pregnant. This is the type of mindset I’d hope every man would adopt. I applaud you!
Someone needs to tell this father, that getting on top of a pro-choice woman is not a pro-life activity. It’s like saying, “here is my child, kill her if you choose”. There are plenty of men that this woman could have chosen to have sex with who don’t care about the issues of life and death. And he could have found a woman who values innocent human life. There are twenty good, decent, honorable women for every man who deserves one. Honoring the Lord’s commandment not to be unequally yoked together with unbelievers should come to mind whenever contemplating this serious break of good judgment.