Quote of the Day 11-5-10
A government’s failure to provide abortions constitutes depraved indifference to human life….
A woman who is forced to remain pregnant against her will faces huge obstacles to success in her education and work, in the form of damage to her physical and mental health, stigmatization within society, and the sheer drain of time and energy involved in bearing a fetus to term.
~Colin McSwiggen and Fatima Hussain, as quoted by The Tech, MIT’s newspaper, November 5
Nov.05, 2010 7:46 am |
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. Stigmatization within society? Are you kidding me?
The out of wedlock pregnancy rate is 30 percent, so I’m not sure there’s much of a stigma any more.
And since when does a healthy pregnancy endanger a woman’s physical health?
They can’t be serious. Depraved indifference to human life? It’s like they don’t even hear the irony and lunacy in what they’re saying.
The whole article is obscene. Devastating shortage of abortionists? Wow, it’s amazing that they were able to kill so many millions of children with such a ‘devastating shortage.’
Ever notice that the post abortive mothers and fathers who speak out for Silent No More only hold signs saying they regret abortion and lost fatherhood? Ever notice how no one says “I regret the conception”? Ever notice how mom’s don’t hold signs that say “I wish my kids were dead”? I have never for an instant regretted the conception of my child. I only wish I had not had the abortion. I have never wished I could go back in time and avoid the pregnancy. I only wish I could go back and not murder the child.
As time goes on, I am more amazed at the open hostility pro-choicers show to women and their families.
Does this sound whiny to anyone else? It sounds whiny to me.
Also, Colin? COLIN!?! I thought pro-choicers thought that men weren’t allowed to talk about this issue. But, yet again, we see that’s clearly not the case if the man is pro-choice.
I guess these students don’t agree with the MIT students who wrote so eloquently about pro-life matters…
If people are so stigmatized by pregnancy, then maybe they should refrain from sexual intimacy so they can avoid all sorts of problems, [sti’s broken hearts, pregnancy and abortion]… stigma included.
Sheesh. And these are the intellectuals from MIT talking? Goodness.
Refrain from sex? Why that’s oppressive pro-liferism, lol! People who won’t drink out of plastic bottles and avoid certain foods think nothing of that, but ask them to apply a little common sense to sexual activity and they get outraged. Go figure.
Allowing your child to be born is a drain on your time and energy huh? Doing my taxes is a drain on MY time and energy. Do you support my right to choose not to pay taxes, Colin? Hello? Colin?
Dear Colin,
Way to insult mothers across the land!! Go you!!
I would really love to meet these mothers who were forced to remain pregnant. I would love to pick their brains a bit. I would then love to meet their little “bunch of cells.”
Ninek,
EXACTLY!! Where is the FORCED TO GESTATE parade and the support groups and the Forced Pregnancy list of resources? Where are the signs and the women with the children they wish they would have killed by abortion?
Wow, thanks for this great article guys! This has so affirmed my decision to never again have sex before marriage!!! I cannot imagine anything worse than being knocked up by one the Colin McSwiggens of the world.
I know, right, ninek? I mean, Happy Meals are now outlawed in San Fran, but list health hazards of rampant gay sex, and you’re public enemy #1. After McDonald’s, that is. :D
“stigmatization within society”
What? Unless the girl is literally in highschool, no stigmatization exists. Have you ever seen the cover of a magazine at the store? It’s Baby Bumps as far as the eye can see. Our society LOVES pregnant women and babies.
Forced to remain pregnant against her will?
How about being forced to pay for an abortion against my will?
Unlike the father, I didn’t even get to enjoy the orgasm.
All I get is the burden.
It’s not the government’s job to support people – it’s the government’s job to defend them.
And if truly believe in what you say – then please – you go first and dedicate your life to providing money for free abortions.
You can then promote yourself as a full-fledged “pro-orgasm without consequences” organization.
“Unlike the father, I didn’t even get to enjoy the orgasm. All I get is the burden.”
LOL, this is one of the best quotes I have ever read! And so true. The father and mother get to enjoy sex, and then WE have to foot the bill to murder their child?
Colin,
1950 called and they want their stigma back.
Mark Steyn’s Song of the Week was “You Are My Sunshine,” but he began his piece in this way, mentioning another song:
As we enter the final days of a long election season, it seems fitting to offer a political Song of the Week. But it’s striking how few songs there are about electoral politics. The best known couplet on the subject may well be from Eddie Cochran’s “Summertime Blues”:
Well, I told my Congressman and he said, quote
‘I’d like to help you, son, but you’re too young to vote.’
This is such a sad statement about our mentality nowadays.
Colin’s math must look something like this:
Birth=humanity
fetus =/= born
therefore, fetus =/= human
My sexual freedoms < life(a) <=> (a)=human as per prior definition
Therefore, my sexual freedoms > fetus
My life = happy <=> my sexual freedoms are protected
Therefore, any sexual oppression = depraved indifference to human life
Responsibility = threat to freedom
Because pregnancy = responsibility and responsibility = threat to freedom, pregnancy = threat to sexual freedom
Therefore, in order for sexual freedom to be protected, pregnancy must be eliminated. (Sex – pregnancy = happy human life)
Makes me pity Colin & his buddies, actually.
“A woman who is forced to remain pregnant against her will
faces huge obstacles to success in her education and work, in the form of damage to her physical and mental health, stigmatization within society, and the sheer drain of time and energy involved in bearing a [HUMAN] fetus to term.”
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Perhaps these hapleess and helpless ladies should have their names removed from the ‘storks’ direct mail list.
They seem to lack the understanding of how these HUMAN fetuses come to be in their wombs.
One day they go to get the mail and they return pregnant. [Maybe there were ‘rufied’ by the postman.]
Apparently they believe you fall into pregancy like you fall into love.
“Depraved indifference to human life” is a legal term with a precise definition. It doesn’t mean, “really mean and unfair because if I can’t get an abortion my life will be hard and stuff.”
Well, has anyone ever considered the notion that having a child is an extremely selfish act? You have a child so, what, another human is forced to love you and depend on you? So you can justify your existence? You can argue that you want to give to another the beautiful life you have-so why not adopt a child out of poverty, war, rape, suffering, etc? Because you absolutely need the child to be of your own blood? I would argue that that is selfish. No one ever asked the fetus whether it wanted to be born, so assuming either way is not possible (unless you use statistics saying that people who are alive want to stay alive-but can you gather statistics on unborn fetuses as to whether they wish to be born or not? No.
You’re a real hoot Aaron. Yeah, having a baby forces that baby to love you. Cause you know ALL kids LOVE their parents, right? I often twist my son’s arm behind his back and shriek “Love me, you little bugger!”
And I’m sure if you could ask a fetus, he would prefer to have his arms and legs torn off than be born. Do you prefer that Aaron? You wish someone would dismember you instead of having to face another day with your bitterness and hate?
I justified my existence long before I became a mom actually. I know I exist to bring glory to my Creator. Becoming a mom, experiencing the wonder of pregnancy, birth and mothering has just added joy and love to my life.
You can have a joyful life too Aaron. You don’t have to live life so full of venom and bitterness. You know bitterness and hate have been linked to health problems like heart disease and high blood pressure. Its not healthy to live with so much hate. Get help.
Hmm there’s a different between living dismembered and not living at all. And is your Creator mine? Are you the one who gets to decide that? For other people? And is your Creator the same one who hates the homosexuals? Those who can derive pleasure without pragmatism? Don’t accuse me of living with hate-hate is what anti-abortion protesters project onto the lives of others.
Furthermore, as a male then, what is my equivalent opportunity to pregnancy? One thing I fail to communicate is how much I love children-how I sometimes do wish that I could understand that connection between a mother and her child that a father does not have because he has not raised the child in his own body. But I will never have the choice. And I still support the choice of a woman to choose-it is not your decision to make. Some of the arguments here are trite about “I don’t want to pay for their abortions”-and the price of raising a child on society? I’m fine bearing that burden-tax me 20% if you want and if it’s going to schools and child’s healthcare I will fully support it. But to make the argument that abortions should not be at the cost of others is vacuous. Abortion is not some sort of disease that will run rampant if the government provides such services. You do an injustice to women to assume it is some sort of easy decision for them-when clearly you understand that it is not, far more than I even could as a male. And I have stated already, I still support their right to choose. It is up to them to decide what is best for them, AND for the unborn fetus.
Well, has anyone ever considered the notion that having a child is an extremely selfish act? You have a child so, what, another human is forced to love you and depend on you? So you can justify your existence?
Is adopting a child to raise as your own also a selfish act?
What is coercion?
It can escalate to violence, forced abortion or even homicide — the #1 killer of pregnant women.
Lost in the politics and rhetoric is the surprising, seldom-reported evidence that MOST, not some, abortions are unwanted or coerced. Many are deceptively informed or even forced. Coercion can escalate to violence. The threats are real. Homicide is the #1 killer of pregnant women.
Coercion can involve professional negligence, deceptive counseling or false information presented by licensed professionals or trusted authorities as fact. It may involve job or housing discrimination, such as the threat of being fired or evicted for refusing to abort.
One mother was turned away from a homeless shelter unless she would have an abortion. In other cases, it is an abuser who seeks abortion to cover up his crimes or parents who force their daughters to abort. Published research exposes the synergy of coercion that is, for many, just the tip of the iceberg:
Before abortion:
“There were about 100 women in the waiting room and no one was talking.”
“We were herded like cattle.”
“I had so many questions. The doctor told me to be quiet.”
“Every Tuesday a scheduled bus took students to the clinic. It was all so organized.”
“The school counselor said, ‘One day you’ll back on this and laugh.”
* 52% felt rushed, 54% uncertain,
* 64% feel pressured to abort, yet
* 67% had NO counseling beforehand,
* 79% were not told of available alternatives1
* 84% were not given enough information to make an informed choice.1
* Coercion can escalate to violence (see Forced Abortion in America report)
An uninformed choice is no choice at all.
An unplanned pregnancy is not some sort of disease.
How is killing the unborn fetus good for the unborn fetus?
Oh and Aaron? Thank you for hanging women out to dry in their greatest time of need.
As though telling her it is her decision is some sort of heroic gesture.
It is called abandonment.
Real men man up, stand beside the woman they made a baby with and step into their role as father.
Aaron said: Hmm there’s a different (sic) between living dismembered and not living at all.
Go study embryology – you’re beclowning yourself.
Real men stand up, locking her into a life she might not want? Right because women are completely helpless to make their own decisions or support themselves. What exactly is the duty these parents have to the fetus?
Good for the fetus? There could be multiple ways. Perhaps the child would be born with a terminal illness. Or deaf, blind, and paraplegic. Or perhaps the product of incestuous rape. Do you oppose assisted suicide for the terminally ill?
And I don’t think that adopting a child to raise as your own a selfish act in the same way-you’re likely to adopt a child away from being an orphan, or out of poverty, or some hard situation which thus offers that child more opportunities. And for women with whom the father of their child don’t stick around, you’re saying they should still have the child nonetheless then?
On a separate note, are you opposed to contraception? What do you do about the hundreds of millions of eggs and sperm that never meet to fertilize? I understand that the active choice of abortion is different, but at the same time it’s not too far removed.
All these arguments tend back towards somewhat religious or traditional family units that don’t necessarily exist for every individual anymore.
Aaron, it does not matter if a child would be born deaf or blind or ill. It does not matter if a child’s father is a rapist, or a criminal guilty of check fraud or whatever! None of these situations, while sad, take away from the child’s humanity. The unborn child is a genetically unique human being. That alone gives them the unalienable right to be born. Being sick or having a criminal for a father does not take away someone’s right to life.
And who cares about millions of sperm that don’t meet an egg? Who cares about an egg that does not meet any sperm? Whats your point Aaron? Do you not understand basic biology? Sperm and eggs are not human lives in themselves. But nice rabbit trail though.
Question-why does it give them a right to be born? Why would you advocate for a child to be born to a life of suffering?
I’ll keep that in mind Aaron next time you have a headache. I don’t want you to suffer so I will certainly be ready to put a bullet in your skull.
Humans have the right to life Aaron because they’re human. Its not a right you can take away. Its not a right given by other humans.
“Perhaps the child would be born with a terminal illness. Or deaf, blind, and paraplegic.”
And perhaps Aaron will be paralyzed by a speeding skateboarder next week. Check the schedule. Can we fit him in to be aborted this week?
OK. I went to my TA 12 step meeting today and then stopped at Walmart and bought a brand new shiny scooper. Kel and Sydney, can you share it until I pick up another?
Have a great weekend.
Ha ha. Sorry Praxedes, I love the trolls. Would it be any fun at all if it was just us sane pro-life people?
Not as much fun for sure.
They keep coming here because they can’t find any love in the proabort barns.
I hope you know how much we love you Aaron. We really do.
Please watch out for those skateboarders and keep visiting here. The tuition is free.
What duty?
Wow. Aaron. The female is called the mother and the male is called the father.
Real men know they are fathers and try to save their children from an abortion.
Well to be honest I could see if for example, I were in a vegetative state I would understand (is that possible?) if my family decided to remove life support. I’d want the best for them. But I’m unintentionally moving the conversation away from the central topic.
Anyway, I don’t really mean to come off rude or anything when discussing here. I do enjoy talking with people whose viewpoints differ from my own. What’s the point in standing around agreeing all day? I’d like to expand my horizons. I honestly appreciate that everyone is taking the time to respond, etc. So I do want to make that clear, so while I hold true to my beliefs, I value that people care to respond. But, I still hold fast to my support of choice. And I hope to continue the conversation, I just have some assignments I need to finish now. Talk to you all soon.
Nice last post, Aaron. Stick around. I think I’d enjoy talking with you later during the week.
*tags Praxedes and Sydney and hops into the ring*
Hi Aaron.
Real men stand up, locking her into a life she might not want? Right because women are completely helpless to make their own decisions or support themselves.
No. Real men take responsibility for their actions, and that includes the sex they have with whomever they choose to have it. See, sex can and does lead to reproduction. If, despite using the most reliable birth control methods available, nature and biology still happen to function properly and a child is conceived, both should be mature enough to accept the fact that they are now parents. They do not have to raise the child (plenty of people would love to adopt their kids, even special needs kids), but since deemed themselves ready to have sex, they should accept what naturally results from it.
Pregnancy isn’t a disease that needs to be eradicated. Pregnancy is a natural function of the human body. Not like a heart attack, but like a PROPERLY functioning biological system.
Women are capable of supporting themselves, but the man and woman both made the decision to lay down and have intercourse. A man saying “I’ll have sex with you, but beyond that it’s your problem” is clearly using a woman for his own pleasure and that’s truly not what most women want to hear. If the man abandons his responsibility to the woman and HIS child, she is capable of taking care of a child. But it obviously isn’t ideal. And thank God for the real men who come along later and love that woman AND her child. The deadbeat dad/sperm donor walks away and washes his hands of responsibility, but a real man comes along the woman as her partner and helps to raise that child.
Good for the fetus? There could be multiple ways. Perhaps the child would be born with a terminal illness. Or deaf, blind, and paraplegic. Or perhaps the product of incestuous rape.
Helen Keller. Ludwig von Beethoven. They were born “normal” and as a result of life circumstances or genetics encountered disabilities (blindness and deafness). Abraham Lincoln was born with the genetic disorder Marfan Disease.
Oh, and I suppose rape and incest babies are just intrinsically EVIL, you know, guilty of the crimes of their fathers? If your father were to rape somebody, shall we execute you for it? Another point of interest… Darwin married and had 6 children with his first cousin. Incest doesn’t guarantee deformity or abnormality, and rape certainly doesn’t.
And I don’t think that adopting a child to raise as your own a selfish act in the same way-you’re likely to adopt a child away from being an orphan, or out of poverty, or some hard situation which thus offers that child more opportunities.
So, finding yourself pregnant and then killing that child before she is born is more charitable? Talk about denying a child opportunities…
And for women with whom the father of their child don’t stick around, you’re saying they should still have the child nonetheless then?
Well, I do happen to know at least ONE person who’s pretty happy to be alive after her father abandoned her mother: ME. And my husband and 3 children, I dare say, are grateful that my incredibly strong, independent mother didn’t choose abortion. See, for my mom to kill me because my dad decided to be a jerk really makes no sense at all.
On a separate note, are you opposed to contraception?
I am personally opposed to hormonal contraception. As for non-hormonal, non-abortifacient contraception, I am not personally opposed.
What do you do about the hundreds of millions of eggs and sperm that never meet to fertilize?
Um…nothing! They die. And it doesn’t matter at all, since there was no newly created human being involved in the matter. What kind of question is that, anyway? lol
I understand that the active choice of abortion is different, but at the same time it’s not too far removed.
So, wait, you’re saying that letting sperm and eggs which did NOT fertilize and become a new human being at amphimixis die is the SAME as deliberately dismembering and snuffing out the life of a developing fetus in utero? WHAT? It is nowhere CLOSE to being the same thing, Aaron. Pardon me for asking, but do you understand basic biology? Do you understand that a sperm by itself and an egg by itself do NOT asexually become human beings? Do you understand that in sexual reproduction a new human being with unique DNA is created and at the instant the egg is fertilized, the head of the sperm explodes and the gametes fuse, thereby creating that new human being? The sperm and egg no longer exist. The two have become one, if you’ll forgive the biblical phrase. :D
All these arguments tend back towards somewhat religious or traditional family units that don’t necessarily exist for every individual anymore.
Actually, the argument for life has nothing to do with religion or traditional family. But those who choose to ignore basic biology often try to make that the subject, when it isn’t. Killing off innocent, unborn, weaker humans because their parents aren’t in the best “family” or “societal” position is not acceptable.
Ok quick break from work (or room cleaning I suppose). I just had to point out that I definitely do not support requiring doctors to conduct abortions (or for doctors/schools etc to provide birth control). Anyway, hope to return to the discussion soon.
@Kel-I am so sorry, I will have to read that response Monday after exams. Thanks for writing though.
Yeah, I know. It’s a book. I apologize. :D
Good luck on your exams! I do not miss those days… :)
Horrible. Creepy.
LOL