Black abortion genocide ad airs on BET

For two weeks, December 26 through January 4, this ad ran 60 times on Black Entertainment Television and BET Centric

The ad, produced by Virtue Media and using footage from Maafa 21, directs viewers to BlackDignity.org for more information.

I spoke with Virtue Media’s president, Tom Peterson. I asked if BET gave him any static before running the ad. Although I suspect there was more to the story, Tom would only say BET approved the ad and he was grateful to it for the opportunity to expose the truth.

What was viewer response? Tom said 85% of the emails they received were “extremely positive.” Dr. Alveda King and Dr. Johnny Hunter took responsibility to answer them all. “There was a good and healthy dialogue,” Tom said.

Truth will prevail. The abortion industry targets blacks.

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    Richard Hartian says:

    Very powerful, assuming you stop to think about it…Thanks Jill

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    CC says:

    Dr. MLK, Jr. received an award from Planned Parenthood in 1966. His acceptance speech was titled “Family Planning — A Special and Urgent Concern.” Here are some of his words:

    …There is a striking kinship between our movement and Margaret Sanger’s early efforts. She, like we, saw the horrifying conditions of ghetto life. Like we, she knew that all of society is poisoned by cancerous slums. Like we, she was a direct actionist — a nonviolent resister…For the Negro, therefore, intelligent guides of family planning are a profoundly important ingredient in his quest for security and a decent life…For these constructive movements we are prepared to give our energies and consistent support; because in the need for family planning..”

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    Rapnsum says:

    CC- Many in the civil rights movement spoke out against Planned Parenthood- (Black Panthers, Jesse Jackson, Dick Gregory, and more) .  MLK wrote that speech well before they performed abortions. Learn why abortion was legalized as in the words of Supreme Court Justicte- Ruth Bader Ginsberg- ” To get rid of populations we do not want to have too many of” Know your facts before you post next time- Watch Maafa21 http://www.maafa21.com

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    Kel says:

    Actually, MLK’s pro-abort wife delivered the speech, and many contest that the speech was actually even written by Dr. King. Interesting.
    PP certainly did use a lot of black ministers. That was their goal: “The minister’s work is also important and he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”

    http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/special_issues/population/the_negro_project.htm

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    Lori Pieper says:

    CC,
    I was at the pro-life rally in New York where Alveda King spoke on January 10. I heard from her directly that a) MLK didn’t write the speech, it was actually written by someone in Planned Prenthood. b) King didn’t deliver the speech, his wife Coretta did, because she was in favor of PP. Alveda King assures everyone that her uncle was pro-life and would be horrified at the number of abortions happening today in the African-American community. Here in NYC, 60 percent of all black women who become pregnant abort. It’s enough to horrify anyone. Except you and other pro-aborts, I guess.

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    Gerard Nadal says:

    CC,
     
    I had dinner with Alveda King the night before the New York rally. She explained this issue at some length. Martin was pro-life and refused to accept the award from PP. Coretta and her daughter were both pro-choice and Coretta attended and accepted the award, reading an acceptance speech written for her by PP. People often reference this award, because they can point to nothing else in his life that would indicate his approval.
     
    Further, during one of her pregnancies when Alveda was contemplating abortion, it was Martin’s father (after Martin’s death) who told her that abortion was unthinkable. Thus we see the grandfather and his son united in a consistent ethic of life.
     
    I share this conversation because Alveda wants the truth of her family known. She is a living part of that legendary family, and her words carry more weight than all of the liars at PP times a million. She was there.

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    Joe says:

    Please, none of us use the expression “pro-choice”, ever.
     
    Anything else but that.

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    ninek says:

    I don’t know how Cranky Catholic gets her pictures to show up but I will have to hope the above link works.
     

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    Prolifer L says:

    Thank you Dr. Nadal for clearing up this myth about Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. that has been propagated by the “Dead Babies R Us” crowd. I heard Dr. Alveda King speak and she addressed this very issue. Trying to tie Dr. MLK to PP in it’s mission to slaughter millions of AA babies for a profit when they were not even in the abortion business until years later is a horrible lie. Even Jesse Jackson was pro-life  and called abortion “genocide” until he ran for president and latched onto the Democratic party’s demonic plan of abortion on demand. Never take the spin and lies of PP and post it on this pro-life blog and not expect to be called out on it.

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    Prolifer L says:

    THANK YOU NINEK. YOU ARE AWESOME. A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS.

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    ninek says:

    Yep, I’m pretty sure after all she wrote and all she said in interviews, she’s not holding up her finger talking about racial harmony.

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    CC says:

    “words of Supreme Court Justicte- Ruth Bader Ginsberg- ” To get rid of populations we do not want to have too many of”

    Actual Quote from the NY Times Interview:

    “Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion. Which some people felt would risk coercing women into having abortions when they didn’t really want them. But when the court decided McRae, the case came out the other way. And then I realized that my perception of it had been altogether wrong”

    Ginsburg was talking about the concern “at the time Roe was decided.” In other words she was describing public sentiment “at that time.” She was not expressing her opinion. Context is everything. But not suprising that the anti-choice movement would take her words out of context.

    In your words, “Know you facts before you post.”

    And Maafa21 is a pure, anti-choice propaganda.

    But I do love the revisionist history, told by anti-choice activist Alveda King, that PP actually wrote the speech and that Martin was really anti-choice. You’d think that a man of King’s stature would not allow somebody else to write for him. You’d think that a man of King’s honor would not allow the public to be deceived. BTW, I read where Alveda King is estranged from her cousins who are the children of Dr. King.

    At the 1993 inauguration of Bill Clinton, I had the opportunity to shake the hand of the beautiful Coretta Scott King. She had such a radiance.

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    Lori Pieper says:

    CC, do you have any facts, sources or actual quotes that would suggest MLK actually wrote the speech? What does your nattering about Aveda’s estrangement from her cousins and Coretta King’s “radiance” have to do with anything?

    Whether or not it was Justice Ginsburg’s personal concern or the perception of society at large that abortion was to be used as population control among the poor also doesn’t make any difference to the facts. Because it is not just perception, it is a fact.

    Another person at the rally on January 10 was LaVerne Tolbert, who was (in her words) “the token black” on the board of Planned Parenthood in New York in the 1970’s. She has written a lot about this subject.

    She write that in 1969, the HEW (Department of Health, Education and Welfare) began looking into this question because of the enormous concern in the “green movement” about overpopulation, which spread to government circles. It was at this time that HEW began partnering with Planned Parenthood to bring clinics to the inner cities, because, heaven knows, it wasn’t white people who were supposed to control their numbers.

    So Ginsburg’s perception was correct. True, abortion ended up being extended to everyone, not just the inner city black poor. Hurray. And her worries about poor women being forced to abort when they don’t want to were justified, regardless of whether Medicaid is paying for it or not. Because PP and the government want it this way.

    Remember, the mantra that Democrats kept repeating during the health-care debate was that “family planning” and “reproductive health” (i.e. abortion and contraceptives) were going to save money and mean fewer welfare babies. To my mind, this is not caring for the poor.

    Equality beetween black and white, to my mind, means an equal right AND opportunity to bear and raise your children. Instead of spending so much money on abortion, why not put it to programs that would provide pre-natal and delivery care to poor pregnant women? There was a bill to this effect put together by pro-life Democrats (the Pregnant Women Support Act), but most Democrats and the Obama administration ignored it from day one. If there is any actual support for pregnant women in Obamacare, it’s very little compared to the “family planning” money. They are interested only in funding abortion and contraception. Shows you where their priorities are.
     
    Why not stop your cries of “propaganda” and provide some facts if you can to refute all this? Or at stop your attempts of clouding over the facts and diverting attention to trivialities and try to address the actual concerns raised?

    Let me ask you one question. Do think a 60 percent abortion rate among black women in New York is a good thing or not?

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    Prolifer L says:

    Thanks for the gossip pro-abort. How pathetic you are. Murdering of babies is so near and dear to you that you would try to discount a prolife warrior, Dr. Alveda King,  who teaches love and nonviolence inside and outside of the womb (the unfortunate disagreement among Dr. Martin L. King’s children about the estate and Dr. King’s Center is pretty much common knowledge). How sad you are.      

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    Rachel says:

    Lori, while providing programs that provide pre-natal care and delivery to poor pregnant women is wonderful, what happens after that?   NYC is the MOST expensive city to live in in the U.S.    Expecting – *forcing* – all women to bring all their pregnancies to term if they’re already living in or near poverty (as of 2009 the black poverty rate in NYC is 21%), and most likely already have other children,  is cruel and punishing to both mother, existing children and potential child.   Our main concern should be helping these women get out of poverty, improving their lives, providing affordable health care to them and their existing families, not forcing them to have larger families they cannot afford.
    Can you not trust Black women to make decisions for themselves?
    And to Prolifer L, you do realize that Alveda has had TWO abortions?   What right does she have to now be the spokesperson of the African American Prolife agenda as such a hypocrite?  She had a choice, she exercised her choice.   And now she wants to take away that choice from women just like her because she  – and you – thinks that’s what’s best for them?
    I ask again:  Can you not trust Black women to make decisions for themselves?

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    CC says:

    “CC, do you have any facts, sources or actual quotes that would suggest MLK actually wrote the speech?”

    Other than Alveda King’s say so, do you have any proof that Dr. King didn’t write the speech? If Coretta Scott King delivered what is considered to be the speech of MLK,Jr., (by news accounts) then you are, essentially, saying that MLK, Jr. aided and abetted a lie? And let’s extend your line of thinking. Who really wrote the “I have a dream” speech? Can we prove that MLK, Jr. actually wrote the speech? And how bout MLK, Jr.’s letter from the Birmingham jail. Did he really write that? We can’t really prove that he wrote these, can we?

    Do think a 60 percent abortion rate among black women in New York is a good thing or not

    The black abortion rate is the business of black women. If a 60% abortion rate means that these women have a better opportunity to get out of poverty, then it’s a good thing. But again, black women know what’s best for them. To say otherwise is to say that they’re just stupid.

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    CC says:

     “Instead of spending so much money on abortion, why not put it to programs that would provide pre-natal and delivery care to poor pregnant women?”

    Medicaid doesn’t pay for abortions but it does pay for pre-natal and delivery care to poor women – at this point. (My State was in the forefront of providing care for poor women – including pregnant illegal immigrants – it’s called “Rite Care”) If conservatives have their way, even these programs will be cut back.

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    Carla says:

    Sucking a “potential child” from its mother’s womb with a powerful vacuum that rips their bodies to pieces is cruel and punishing, Rachel.

     

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    Carla says:

    Just like me Alveda is post abortive and found out the hard way that the abortion industry is based on LIES!! The biggest lie is that the killing of our own children was BEST for us!

    We have every right to speak up about our abortion experiences. Just as you have the right to come here and try to shush us. Ain’t gonna happen!!

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    Praxedes says:

    And Maafa21 is a pure, anti-choice propaganda.

    Have you watched Maafa21 CC?  If so, what parts do you disagree with?   I am ecstatic that this video is becoming so well-watched, supported and shared in our country.  I promote it every chance I get.  I agree with you that Maafa21 is clearly against the choice of a mother to terminate her offspring’s life.

    CC, I see you avoided my last question of you so I’m glad I caught up with you here.

    If a woman you were counseling asked you, “did a human die during my abortion?” how would you answer her?  What would your speech to her be?

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    Lori Pieper says:

    Our main concern should be helping these women get out of poverty, improving their lives, providing affordable health care to them and their existing families, not forcing them to have larger families they cannot afford.

    I am certainly with you Rachel, in thinking that relieving poverty is the most important thing. But this is not an “either-or” question. Nearly 40 years of inner-city abortion in itself doesn’t seem to have relieved poverty one bit.

    And what if these women WANT to have children, but poverty is preventing them? Is it “force” then to help them have their babies? What we are saying is that relieving poverty by killing the poor is not the solution.

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    Alice says:

    And to Prolifer L, you do realize that Alveda has had TWO abortions?   What right does she have to now be the spokesperson of the African American Prolife agenda as such a hypocrite?  She had a choice, she exercised her choice.   And now she wants to take away that choice from women just like her because she  – and you – thinks that’s what’s best for them?
     
    Is it really so hard to imagine someone who has had an experience and is now trying to tell other people not to do what they did might be doing so because that experience is a bad thing?  You might as well say Danny Trejo is a hypocrite for trying to warn young people away from committing crimes. Because if he did it then how dare he tell other people not to?  Or recovered alcoholics who speak about the dangers of excessive drinking.  Are they hypocrites, too?
     
    Someone who has had an experience is the very best spokesperson to explain why it is wrong or bad or to be avoided.  Calling Alveda King a hypocrite is a very cheap shot indeed, and a cop-out so that you need not address what she says.

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    ari says:

    “would you eat the meat of things sacrificed to idols?” christians have always had to have their consciences be pricked, for them to grow. That’s one of the promises of Christ- that you WILL grow in knowledge and judgment and wisdom. Nobody can tell me that abortion is anything other than a sacrifice to Ishtar/Asherah/Moloch. It’s in your own reasons- sacrifice this one infant so that you can make money. Sacrifice this one infant so that another infant can have power and influence when he grows up. Are you kidding? The only thing here is- you don’t have the names of the idols you sacrifice to. You just persuade someone to kill their child, and promise that they will have money, and influence and power and wealth. How? When they have dreams and nightmares? When they hear their child’s ghost calling in the night?

    God calls us from idols and vain worship. Even when we fall, even when we don’t know that we have wandered into a foolish woman’s idolatrous temple of death, god says “repent, repent, repent and be cleansed of all unrighteousness.” Alveda King has repented- and she stands begging for us to not to fall as she did. How is that contemptible?

    When Barack Obama was elected president, I knew of his statements. I knew of Margaret Sanger’s writings. I knew of Planned Parenthood’s goals. I was walking to my kids’ school, with my baby girl in her stroller. I had to stop, and bend over from the pain- I’d never felt anything like it in my life- and when I stood up- I started counting all the children, as I passed them, that would be targeted by these policies. I walk by a park to get to their school. Their school- it’s 60%- now higher- was 60% minority. It looked like that scene from Terminator- the children were being burned up, the school was being emptied. I’ve never felt or seen anything like it. It’s something I still have nightmares about.

    I know I have to be rational and pragmatic and calm and funny and try to be persuasive towards life, but I’m not, not inside. It’s scary seeing something like that, almost a biblical vision. I can’t even really do anything right now- i’m home and raising kids. My mom has just promised to help me with nursing school, so that I can be a part of saving these children. I give everything I can when I meet a young mother- she can be more of a grace- being able to say- people will provide for you- people provided for me–I say over and over and over, to people my age- do you know the abortion rate in the seventies? 30%. Black Plague numbers. We went to school, and played among ghosts. 1/3 of all the people we could be friends with, people we could work with, people we could laugh with- not there. We are the llucky survivors of the plague. Our parents go ” lame. can’t pay taxes. what about social security?” and I say- “how did that sacrifice work for you?”

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    Lori Pieper says:

    Who really wrote the “I have a dream” speech? Can we prove that MLK, Jr. actually wrote the speech? And how bout MLK, Jr.’s letter from the Birmingham jail. Did he really write that? We can’t really prove that he wrote these, can we?

    Is there some kind of eyewitness testimony that he didn’t write them? If not, we can safely say that he did. If someone did provide such eyewitness testimony (and I’ve certainly never heard of any), then maybe it could be called into question. Since there is no evidence whatsoever against him having written these things, why are you even bringing it up? Once again, you’re using a red herring argument — and one that doesn’t even make sense to boot.

    The black abortion rate is the business of black women. If a 60% abortion rate means that these women have a better opportunity to get out of poverty, then it’s a good thing. But again, black women know what’s best for them. To say otherwise is to say that they’re just stupid.

    Yes, it is certainly the business of black women. And many of them are very upset about the situation. Alveda King and LaVerne Tolbert are black, you know. I doubt you could have missed that fact. There were several other prominent black women, equally upset about the situation, at that rally. Have you ever actually watched Maafa21? Are you aware that black women appear in it, and and are its supporters? Black women were promoting this film at the rally (They wanted to sell copies, but they didn’t get there in time). So it’s really you who is completely shrugging off these very serious concerns of black women about the black abortion rate. So you don’t think these black women know what’s best for them? What does that make you?

    You put yourself forward as the great supporter of black women; but the minute black women say anything against abortion, like Alveda King, you hint they are lying.  Could it be that you are actually a bit . . . racist?

    Before you start howling about this, no, I don’t think you are consciously racist in any way. Subconsciously I don’t know. I think your real problem is your inability to admit any hint of doubt about abortion, or even discuss it in a rational manner. You can’t help it.

    However, keep in mind that mere complete silence on Jill’s part about Rep. Giffords and the attack in Tucson led you the other day to run all over the internet claiming she was an anti-Semite. So don’t get upset when someone dares to call you on your complete self-contradiction.  
     

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    Lori Pieper says:

    “Someone who has had an experience is the very best spokesperson to explain why it is wrong or bad or to be avoided.  Calling Alveda King a hypocrite is a very cheap shot indeed, and a cop-out so that you need not address what she says.”

    Bravo, Alice!

    The minute a black woman disagrees with them about abortion, she is attacked. What’s up with that?

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    Prolifer L says:

    Rachel of course I realize that Dr. Alveda King had 2 abortions. I said I heard her speak, silly (I am restraining myself from calling you something else here). I heard it directly from her mouth about her abortions and also her wonderful prolife story about her grandfather Daddy King saving the life of one of his grandchildren when she told him she planned to abort her child he told her “That is my grandbaby you are carrying, we don’t do that here, go talk to your grandmother”, (I am paraphrasing here). Rev Martin Luther King Sr. helped her to choose LIFE for her baby. I would say the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree regarding father and son, that they were probably in synch on the value of precious, innocent babies inside or outside of the womb and were both against violence in any form inside or outside of the womb. If you think going on a search and destroy mutilation mission with dialators, a currette and powerful suction inside a woman’s uterus is not violent you are totally deceived. BTW worked in healthcare for years take it from me an aborting a baby is a bloody gory violent mess. There are plenty of people who post here who can post the link to pictures if you really want to see the truth of abortion. Let them know I am sure they can accomodate you.  

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    Rachel says:

    Alice, there is a difference between speaking from experience to help people, and using that experience to push for an agenda that aims at *banning* something that is a legal right and need to many people.
     
    Lori, if a poor woman wants to have her baby, we are both in agreement that we should do anything in our power to help her.    You are mistaken if you think we would encourage her to abort because of poverty.   That choice is not up to YOU and I, it is up to HER.
     
    I’m sure I speak for CC when I say that it doesn’t matter the color of the speaker’s skin – when someone speaks against abortion, wish it illegal, they speak against women.    All women.

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    Kel says:

    I’m sure I speak for CC when I say that it doesn’t matter the color of the speaker’s skin – when someone speaks against abortion, wish it illegal, they speak against women. All women.

    So, our founding feminist foremothers such as Stanton and Anthony – they were against women? Alice Paul was against women?
    Women do not “need” abortion. Women only think they need abortion. 98% of abortions are done for elective reasons. “Trust women” isn’t good enough. Thousands upon thousands of women said no to abortion when it was illegal. They did not lose their minds and stick coat hangers up their vaginas. Thousands of women did NOT die from illegal abortion (according to the founder of NARAL, Dr. Bernard Nathanson). Do we “trust women” like those who kill their born children? If not, WHY not? Is it solely because of what is legal/illegal at a certain point in history? If you believe something is morally permissible because it is legal, then you need to look very seriously again at your position.

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    Alice says:

    Alice, there is a difference between speaking from experience to help people, and using that experience to push for an agenda that aims at *banning* something that is a legal right and need to many people.
     
    With the standard disclaimers about how abortion is neither right nor necessary and that “pro-choice” is anti-feminist assumed, the difference you are referring to is one of degree, not of kind.  In the case of a recovered alcoholic, he is saying, “You ought not to do this.”  In the case of Alveda King, she is saying, “You must not do this.”  The only differentiation to be made is in the strength of their admonishment, not the intention.
     
    Again, you’re still just trying to dodge responding to what she says by attacking her for saying it.

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    Lori Pieper says:

    You are mistaken if you think we would encourage her to abort because of poverty.  

    The whole present system encourages her to abort because of poverty. It’s composed of everything from the attitude toward the poor and toward blacks, to a messed-up welfare system, lack of real attention to the real needs of the poor and lack of quality programs to serve them, to government obsession with controlling the population of the poor, birth control and abortion. See my my post of Tolbert’s work above. That’s why women are left with seemingly so little choice. That’s what we want to change. Not every pro-lifer agrees on every measure to be taken, but we are concerned with the real needs of poor women. Abortion is just a cosmetic solution — and a deadly one.

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    Carla says:

    How is it choice when a lack of access and knowledge leaves one with no choice?

    The Raving Theist

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    xalisae says:

    I find the young man’s reaction at the end to be particularly moving.

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    ninek says:

    when someone speaks against abortion, wish it illegal, they speak against women. All women.

    Hello, there are a few developing young women that would like to talk to you about who is against whom.  They’ll take it up with you after they learn to talk, that is if they can dodge the chemicals, the cutting tools, and the other human-made threats to their existence.  If they make it out of the birth canal alive, a few young women wish to converse on the subject of their empowerment, and who it is that fights to take their young lives away.

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    ninek says:

    “Ginsburg was talking about the concern “at the time Roe was decided.” In other words she was describing public sentiment “at that time.” She was not expressing her opinion. Context is everything. But not suprising that the anti-choice movement would take her words out of context.”
     
    Wow, talk about wishfully taking things out of context.  Ginsburg was talking about how they hoped abortion would cut down on the poh folks, but lookie what happened up to now: women of means have aborted a lot of their children too.  THAT’s what Ginsburg thinks needs to be ‘straightened out’, to get the wealthy to abort less and the poor to abort more TODAY.

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    Gerard Nadal says:

    CC,
     
    You’re starting to argue in circles again. Now you know every time you do it, you get dizzy and fall down. I love a good argument with you, but not at the expense of you falling and hurting yourself. Linear reasoning is healthier anyway.
     
    So now you question Alveda King’s veracity?? You’ve just destroyed all of your arguments in one thread, as all pro-aborts have is deception and oral history, which explains all of the hand-waving and smokescreens when we quote Sanger’s written word. God knows how you guys hate the written word.
     
    Seriously, if Alveda can’t be trusted to tell the truth, neither can Coretta. See what happens when you get a case of the vapors?

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    CC says:

    “Seriously, if Alveda can’t be trusted to tell the truth, neither can Coretta. See what happens when you get a case of the vapors”

    So MLK, Jr. allowed history to record that he wrote a speech when, according to his niece, a staunch opponent of family planning, he didn’t. Why would both Coretta and MLK conspire to withhold the truth from posterity. Way to dishonor MLK, Jr. I’ll take MLK’s word over Alveda King’s any day, thank you very much.

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    CC says:

    “However, keep in mind that mere complete silence on Jill’s part about Rep. Giffords and the attack in Tucson led you the other day to run all over the internet claiming she was an anti-Semite. ”

    I posted one comment about this on RH Reality check – hardly “all over the internet.”

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    CC says:

    And if MLK, Jr. “refused” the PP award, why, as a man of honor, didn’t he publicly state that he was refusing?

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    CC says:

    Thousands of women did NOT die from illegal abortion (according to the founder of NARAL, Dr. Bernard Nathanson).

    So why did all those women end up in emergency rooms because of complications from illegal abortions? Were they just having bad periods? Women hurt themselves when abortion was illegal. This was told to me and my peeer group from our mothers who grew up in the dark ages. It was also a fact that women with resources and the right connections got “D&C’s” to take care of their problem. “Revolutionary Road” was written in the 50’s and there is a gruesome scene involving how a woman tried to abort herself with a chemical douche. But keep denying a grim reality if it makes you feel better. You’re all about helping women, so it’s all goood.

    And Nathanson became an anti abortion zealot after he converted to the anti-choice Catholic church so it’s apparent that he does have an agenda.

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    CC says:

    CC, I see you avoided my last question of you so I’m glad I caught up with you here

    You asked an iteration of a question that’s asked after any “101” counseling/social worrk/therapy course. The answer is that the counselor says something to the effect of “this isn’t about what I think. What is important is what you think and how you are feeling.” If the client comes to the position that she “murdered” her baby then I would ask her to forgive herself and do some excercises around “separation and loss issues.” If she obsesses about sin, I would then recommend that she seek help from clergy of her choice. Counselors should never assert their values nor should they make value judgements of the clients. The important thing is to listen and be empathetic where appropriate. The doctor on the MTV special was quite good.

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    Lori Pieper says:

    CC, I don’t know why MLK didn’t simply refuse the award, but I can guess. The pressure on the black community back then was enormous. If enough of your potential allies want you to do something, you may think it worthwhile to do it, even when you have reservations about it. People do this all the time in politics and in many other fields. He may have underrstood WHY Planned Parenthood wanted to give him an award, and may have understood at least a little of the goal of reducing the black population (they were NOT doing abortions at that time), but found it difficult not to go along because of the support they gave. Many, many other black leaders have done the same, and only now are they waking up. The fact that he didn’t give the speech himself (I’m sure this is documentable) says something in and of itself.

    I find it rather silly that you would insist on MLK’s utter sinlessness when he himself as a minister of the Gospel would be the first to tell you he was a sinner.

    In regard to Dr. Nathanson, neither he nor anything else denies that there were women who had illegal abortions and died before Roe v. Wade. What he was talking about was the wildly exaggerated numbers — inflating it from hundreds to the tens of thousands — in the propaganda that he and NARAL put out in the interest of getting abortion legalized. Once again, he made up these numbers himself, so he should know.

    And sorry to burst your comfortable little bubble, but Dr. Nathanson began to become pro-life in the late 70’s after a number of years performing abortions. He published the story of his rejection of abortion (Aborting America) in 1979. He worked as a pro-life actvist for some 20 years as an avowed atheist before beginning to believe in God, finally becoming a Catholic in 1996.

    Your inability to look up simple facts like this doesn’t say much about your command of the facts in other areas. Hang around her long enough though, and you will learn a few things.

    But it sure makes you feel good to blame everything on that nasty Catholic Church, right? You seem to need that like a drug. Sober up, please.
     

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    Lori Pieper says:

    Very interesting article I just ran across:

    Dr. Alveda King, full-time director of African-American Outreach for Priests for Life and King’s niece, cited her uncle’s advice columns written for Ebony magazine in 1957 and 1958.

    “In advising men and women on questions of personal behavior 50 years ago, Uncle Martin sounded no different than a conservative Christian preacher does now,” she commented. “He was pro-life, pro-abstinence before marriage, and based his views on the unchanging Word of the Bible. Today, Planned Parenthood would condemn Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. as part of the ‘religious right’.”

    King reported that one of her uncle’s columns concerned a young man who had impregnated his girlfriend and refused to marry her, resulting in a “crime,” a euphemism for abortion. Martin Luther King, Jr. advised the man that he had made a “mistake.”

    He also urged another reader to abstain from premarital sex, saying that such activity was contributing to “the present breakdown of the family.”

    “Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a man of peace, justice, and most of all a man of God,” Alveda King continued, suggesting that he would be working today to secure justice for those in the womb endangered by abortion. . .

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/christian-leaders-rally-against-gay-activists-hijacking-martin-luther-king-legacy/

    Yes, whether King would suport gay rights is also discussed, but that’s for another time (and maybe a different blog).

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    Gerard Nadal says:

    CC You don’t have MLK’s word about this because he was shot a year later. MLK accepted all other awards and wrote his own speeches. So, I’ll see if we can’t get Alveda to address your concerns. Of course , YOU won’t believe her, but others here will get a lesson from a member of the family.

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    CC says:

    To: Lori Pieper
    From: CC

    I know how you enjoy parsing every word and phrase that I write for mistakes. Yet, you claim that I had “run all over the internet claiming she was an anti-Semite.” Please submit proof (links, please) that I had “run all over the internet.” Is it possible that your misrepresented me – dare I say lied?!?

    Game – Set – Match

    CC 

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    Lori Pieper says:

    (Congratulations, CC, I think this is the first time you’ve ever deigned to address me by name)

    My statement was hyperbole, intended to be humorous, and you know it. Care to explain why you think even ONE instance of you spreading a false rumor about Jill is OK? Isn’t that a lie? Isn’t that what it should all be about?

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    Gerard Nadal says:

    Lori,
     
    As the anniversary of Roe approaches, CC is becoming unhinged. The humanity of her aborted child haunts her, and being unrepentant and unreconciled she lashes out at all that is good and holy.

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    Lori Pieper says:

    Gerard,
    Yes, I know it. She drove a relative to her abortion as well. Claims utter indifference but I don’t believe it.
    And since there is no word from CC on any of the issues I addressed re Dr. Nathanson, I can only presume she knows she is wrong about them, but won’t admit it publicly.

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    Praxedes says:

    Counselors should never assert their values nor should they make value judgements of the clients.

    CC, It has never been your place to refer a client for contraception.  Shame on you. 

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    Phillymiss says:

    Our main concern should be helping these women get out of poverty, improving their lives, providing affordable health care to them and their existing families, not forcing them to have larger families they cannot afford.

    Agreed, but who says black women having abortion are poor. There is some anecdotal evidence that many black women having abortions are middle class, not poor.  Quite a few seem to be college students.  My daughter goes to a HBCU and she knows at least two women who had abortions, one at six months.

     Also, Dr. King’s speech was referring to birth control. Just because someone is in favor of contraceptives, like myself does NOT mean that they are pro-abortion.

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    Mary says:

    CC 12:27PM

    Did all these “mothers” who grew up in the “dark ages” actually spend time working in emergency rooms or were they just parroting what “everyone knew”?

    Women with resources and connections.  CC, do you honestly think the society matron or celebrity sits in the same clinic waiting room as the welfare mother or goes to that converted garage of Carhart’s in Nebraska?  Women with resources continue to discreetly have their abortions under the best and most private circumstances.

    Also, you don’t quite have your facts straight about Nathanson.  An avowed atheist, his transition to the PL side was slow and took place prior to his conversion.  If you read his book “Aborting America” you will realize he was deeply ambivalent and equally critical of both sides of the issue, which to me gives him even more credibility.

    He described pulling “statistics” out of thin air, deliberately lying, and singling out the Catholic Church as a common enemy against which all abortion supporters could rally.  Actually the selection of the CC was random as any number of faiths opposed abortion. The CC hierarchy made a perfect target and a lapdog media followed marching orders.
    Sort of how the KKK used blacks and Jews as a means to rally supporters against a “common enemy”.

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    Mia says:

    As an African American woman, I am appalled by your racist intentions. Blaming and shaming black women has nothing to do with uplifting us. These black genocide ads are a ploy devised by white men to play off of fear so that they can co-opt the civil rights movement to use it for their agenda. This campaign is about oppression and exploitation and you should be ashamed of promoting it. I should have known a movement of so called “pro-life” neocons would be using our struggle to capitalize on the suffering of others

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