Video: The most shocking 4-minute abortion debate you will ever see
On January 7 I posted a video produced The Center for Bio-Ethical Reform, which lasted only a couple hours on YouTube.
CBR’s shocking, graphic video juxtaposed a soothing video produced by the Northland Family Planning Centers, a late-term abortion chain of 3 mills in Michigan, with the reality of abortion.
CBR’s video got such a huge initial response, CEO Gregg Cunningham decided to take some time to remaster it to grotesque perfection. CBR is calling this video “the most shocking 4-minute abortion debate you will ever see.” CBR may be right…
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
My view of Love is very different from theirs
Wow, just went on The Center for Bioethical Reform and happened to check out all the tools, or rather, instruments of death, used in killing the pre-born. Can’t even believe how many there are. I suppose one of them was used to murder the baby in the above video. This is so evil. Fr. John Corapi, S.O.L.T. was right when he said Satan dawned on that dark day of the Supreme Court in 1973.
As Father Greoschell has said, “We must heal the original wound.” Separating the unitive from the procreative aspects of intercourse has had disastrous consequences. Adding deception into the already difficult and mysterious man/woman relationship,with words or with the body, considering the fallen nature of man and the brokenness of the world, is a course that will end in shipwreck of bodies,minds, cultures and souls.
As Dr. Scott Hahn has said, sex is not just good, not just great. Sex is holy! As RosalindaL posted “…the sacred act of lovemaking[is celebrated and rewarded] with the ultimate gift of a child. I often wonder how many parents would have been changed from faithless to faithful if they had only seen the face of the innocent they had created together “With the help of the Lord.” Our bodies say to us “pro choice!”, when we see the person of our affections. Our minds say “pro choice!” when we say “I choose you, alone, among all others.” And then , in the marriage bed, even our little “swimmies” say “pro choice!”, and the two become ONE flesh! And nine months later, that lovemaking was so VITAL and so REAL, that you have to give that sacred act a name! Love-making. Making Love. God is Love! PRO LIFE !
As Father Benedict Groeschell has said, “We must heal the original wound”. When the unitive and the procreative aspects of sexual intercourse are separated, when you consider the fallen nature of mankind, one can only expect minds, bodies, cultures and souls will end in shipwreck.
Dr Scott Hahn said “Sex is not just good, not just great. Sex is holy.” When we see the person of our affections, or bodies say “pro choice!”. When we vow to love this person “forsaking all others”, our mouths say ‘pro choice!”. When the two become one flesh, the body says “pro choice!”, and nine months later, that choice is so VITAL, so REAL, you have to give that sacred act, that sacred choice, a name! Love-making. Making love. God is Love! PRO LIFE !
Mary, the video is indeed pornographic, but not because of the nudity. It’s pornographic in that it shows the obscene process of abortion in real time; the slaughtered, lifeless body of the unborn child being ripped from his mother by the emotionless abortionist.
And I have just realized another interesting contradiction. Many of our pro-abortion friends are bitter ex-Catholics turned atheist. They like to argue that the unborn child is just a clump of tissue, no different from a tumor – a part of its mother. Now, because they are former Catholics, they typically express their hatred for Christianity and God. One of their favorite ways to show their hatred for God is to dig up a quote from the Old Testament in which God is killing people and use that to show that God is evil and not worthy of our worship. However, what does Catholic theology teach about our relationship to God? It teaches that Christians are a part of the “body of Christ”, so therefore as members of Christ’s body, we are also a “part” of God Himself.
So… isn’t it interesting that the pro-aborts would argue that women have a right to destroy a “part” of their bodies, but God does not possess that same right? After all, the abortion they adore is little different than their own interpretation of God’s actions in the Old Testament.
Bill Maher and other hateful atheists often refer to the Judeo-Christian God as a sort of Saddam Hussein like character. Too bad that in their arguments in favor of abortion they make themselves into the same caricature of God that they despise.
“Sexual intercourse within the context of the marital embrace and free of any barriers, birth control, etc. is holy.”
Are you a woman? If so, this seems like a curious attempt to reclaim an old-school, conservative view of sex and marriage that has traditionally placed women on a tier of inferiority to men. Sounds like a radical (even feminist!) rhetorical move to me. In a day and age when a woman is free to make her own decisions concerning sex, it must truly be empowering to choose the “path less taken.” In my grandmother’s day, you needed a prescription from a doctor, and verification of being married, to even get a prescription for birth control. And even then, it was culturally acceptable for the husband to make the bulk of household decisions (including sexual). In her late 30′s my grandmother delivered a stillborn baby and suffered serious post-partum depression. Then it happened again: another stillborn, and more emotional devastation.
It’s nice for the high-and-mighty to preach about “marital embrace” and prescribe “proper” sexual behavior and maternal attitudes, but the fact of the matter is that women deserve the option of preventing unintended and unwanted pregnancies. Public health has no place for value judgments.
Megan,
I’ve read some real humdingers of arguments before, but this one has me somewhat stunned.
“If so, this seems like a curious attempt to reclaim an old-school, conservative view of sex and marriage that has traditionally placed women on a tier of inferiority to men.”
Really? Um, I could make all manner of assumptions about what you might mean by that, especially the “tier of inferiority” part. Based on your various arguments thus far, I gather you have a cool dislike for almost any societal view of anything prior to 1970. Please explain more fully what you mean though, because I could easily make numerous (bad) assumptions.
Public health has no place for value judgments.”
I think you must mean, “Public health has no place for value judgements based on moral/religious convictions.” I must warn you, that perspective itself bears serious errors. Almost EVERY concern related to the public good has a moral aspect to it, though some will certainly be less serious than others.
You declare, “the fact of the matter is that women deserve the option of preventing unintended and unwanted pregnancies. ”
I find this assertion quite strange on the whole. I would think that “Pro-Choice” would mean just that: Women have the right to make appropriate choices. Since 1973 though, this “right to choose” has only been promoted vigorously in terms of a woman’s “right” to choose abortion. I never hear the other side of that choice discussed much. It certainly doesn’t come from the “Pro-Choice” crowd.
Women since the dawn of history have exercised their complete rights. When they didn’t wish to become mothers, married or unmarried, they chose to avoid sexual intercourse. When they chose differently, sometimes they faced the natural consequences by conceiving children.
On the whole, I must tell you, your argument reeks of a strong sense of feminine chauvenism. WOMEN MUST HAVE POWER you declare, all the while ignoring the powers that women have exercised since the dawn of time.
I’m still curious though, about your view of “traditional”, “old-school”, or “conservative” marriage?
Megan, I don’t see Mark advocating anywhere that unmarried women should be denied access to birth control.
Marauder. Interesting choice of pseudonym. From the comics, I assume, yes? A marauder is one who roams about, stealing that which he can find, just for the sake of creating havoc, and striking terror into hearts,and gaining notoriety for himself ( a type of power), attracting followers to himself out of fear.
Marauder, I am going to assume you are a young man who admires power images, has been educated to be a social activist by the public educational system, and is therefore an atheist, with a strong Anti-Catholic bias. If you are not any of those things, and have reached a mature age, I can only say that some men get older and wiser, and some men just get older. With maturity should come humility; regret for past prideful actions requires contrition to face honestly, and to act accordingly.
I am a strong advocate for happiness. Happiness attained by following the One Who cannot lie or be lied to. The One Who does not lie is revealed to be unique in human history. His power was exercised in humility, with mercy and justice for all. With humility, He carried a Cross up a hill, was crucified on that Cross, after enduring a humiliating scourging from powerful men, and died on that cross, happily having run the race of life, racing toward His destiny to be the Ruler of all mankind, in righteousness and strength.
This One is the only Way out of our existential traps, the ones we set for ourselves, which are the most difficult ones to escape from, the ones that pin us like a man on a Cross. This One freed humankind from our traps, by living within His Father’s iron law , which required Him to love his enemies, and to defeat the enemy on his own battlefield. Happily, this One confirmed to humankind that His mission was accomplished, by rising from what looked like a completely humiliating defeat. He confirmed that He is THE LIFE by rising from DEATH. He IS LIFE, the Author of life, not DEATH.
Marauder, you “wondered out loud” to Megan if Mark advocates that unmarried women should be denied access to birth control. Artificial birth control is one of those traps we set for ourselves, with which we inextricably trap ourselves, and our own flesh and blood. We put the “other Christ”, the innocent other, ON that Cross, with Him. From His Cross, the One Innocent Man turned to the Good Thief and said “Today, you will be with me in Paradise”. I hope to someday go where I think my little “innocent thieves” were taken by the Humiliated One.
Marauder, about the other thief, the one who railed against all the Innocent One stood for: I hope someday you will recognize who you are in that scenario, today, as you rail against those who do not wish the innocent to hear the words of release from sin from the Cross. “Time” is just what happens so everything doesn’t happen all at once. Were you there when they crucified my Lord?
Yes, Megan, and I’m very honored to be a woman and I love the vocation of wife and mother and believe it to be sacred. Seems to me by all the comments I’ve read written by you, that you cannot relate to this concept. As far as birth control, I’ve been there done that. Was the worst sex I ever had. Sorry to be so graphic, but I’m just being honest. And “Public health has no place for value judgments.” puuulease. Tell that to Planned Parenthood advocating condoms and other forms of b/c to our youth.
@Meghan – ” “Sexual intercourse within the context of the marital embrace and free of any barriers, birth control, etc. is holy.” Are you a woman? If so, this seems like a curious attempt to reclaim an old-school, conservative view of sex and marriage that has traditionally placed women on a tier of inferiority to men.”
How does this place women inferior to men? I see nothing in the statement that applies to women differently than to men. In fact, considering sex as a holy act tends more to elevate the woman than otherwise, because it inherently requires the partners to respect one another.
“it was culturally acceptable for the husband to make the bulk of household decisions (including sexual).”
This is far from true! Most women over the centuries have basically ruled the household – including their husbands – in most matters. Their status under the law may have been unjust, but in their homes they were more often in control than not.
@ Meghan – “Public health has no place for value judgments.”
Really? The logical conclusion of that statement is that we should kill anyone who comes down with a contagious disease. After all, they might infect someone!
BTW, I am a woman.
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Megan acts like babies just show up unexpectedly in women’s bodies like “surprise, you’re having a baby!” When are we going to grow up and take responsibility for our actions? And I don’t mean by “Killing” our mistakes…ya know, people adopt babies, too.
Here is information on all those who think that the pictures/videos aren’t real or was ‘staged’…
http://www.abortionno.org/About_Us/lawsuits/authenticity.html
Hi Amanda,
Accepting responsibility’s called making a decisive choice: abortion or birth, then parenting or adoption.
Hi John,
Get your head out of the sand. What makes you think that a society that devalued women would somehow engender fair practices in the bedroom? Griswold vs. Connecticut was decided in 1965. 1965! It took that long for the state to stop acting as a moral authority on women’s reproductive rights. And marital rape–when did the state recognize it as a serious criminal offense? Mmm, but yes, every good Christian couple was living in absolute marital bliss, I’m sure. “When they didn’t wish to become mothers, married or unmarried, they chose to avoid sexual intercourse.” Ha, okay. Didn’t work for my grandmother. Grampy wanted sex, she had limited access to birth control, and it wasn’t really heard of for good housewives to deny their husbands.
I’m shaking my head at the complete ignorance of that statement. “When they didn’t wish to become mothers, married or unmarried, they chose to avoid sexual intercourse.” Yes, in a just, ideal world, that’s what would happen. But that’s not how things are. Coercion happens on a continuum, from the aggressive act of stranger rape to the boyfriend saying, “Come on, if you loove me, you’ll do it without a condom.” Why? Lack of respect for women.
And my point before, which was lost on you, is that women today who make the decision to live in “barrier-free, marital bliss” and implicitly condemn other lifestyles are privileged indeed. Guess what? Some women HAVE to work to support their kids, and can’t get risk getting pregnant. Some women CAN’T monitor their internal temperatures because their bodies aren’t healthy. And some women don’t even choose to be pregnant. But ah yes, women are completely capable of consenting to sex, yet when they wash up on the abortion provider doors, they’re completely helpless fools. Which is it?
Well, I’d intended for this to be my last comment, but Megan has finally responded to my comments again. I think I’ll wait until tomorrow though, before responding. I need time to contemplate what she’s said and form a civil, thoughtful response.
In the meantime, my original reaction to this video reminds me a great deal of my reaction to two incidents within the past 10 years. Perhaps it’s not super important, but somehow, I think I ought to say this.
In the first, I had been on active duty in the Air Force for close to two years. I’d been to several R-rated movies, had grown accustomed to the idea that people die in war, and had prepared myself to some degree for what I might ultimately need to do. In short, I thought I was ready to take on a war. …Then I saw the execution scene in “The Green Mile”. In spite of all my “preparation” for gruesome sights, I felt shaken to the core of my being after those three minutes or so. Honestly, I wondered over the next few days if I’d be capable of ordering someone to a certain death if I had the military need.
In the second, I’d been deployed to Iraq for 4 months, had addressed life in tent city, and though our air base had only been “attacked” perhaps 3 or 4 times, I felt relieved to return to my overseas duty station. Well, one Army unit wasn’t so lucky, so when they returned home to Germany, AFN (Armed Forces Network) Radio REALLY celebrated. I had quit listening to AFN by then, I’d grown weary of the same old depressing news; I routinely listened to CDs I bought from St Joseph Communications. Well, I chanced to tune to AFN, just to hear what might be going on one day; AFN had worked with several spouses of returning servicemembers to provide voice-overs to Lonestar’s(?) “I’m Already There”. While I’m still not married and wasn’t technically involved, I WAS suddenly reminded of my niece (first God-daughter) whom I hadn’t seen in 18 months and whom I wouldn’t see yet for another 6. Now, perhaps I’m prone to crying more easily than some, but I gotta tell you, THAT thought hit me like a freight train. I do not recall now if I had to pull over to recollect myself, but I DO remember that I half bawled the rest of the way home. Suffice to say, that one hit home. HARD.
I honestly didn’t precisely WANT to watch this whole video. After the first 30 seconds or so, my insides had already begun crawling. I had to school my reactions to some degree, force myself to watch it and acknowledge the horror I felt. And the rage.
I guess my point is this: I’ve heard many complaints over the past 10 years about how we shouldn’t be exposing these kinds of images to public view. I understand full well that people don’t like to see this.
Even so, I must agree that we must do this. If we don’t, we can’t readily end abortion. I really think we’ll have to have many “mowed-down-mentally-by-a-freight-train” moments before people will realize that this practice IS a horror. Far worse truth than the worst horror movie that Hollywood might concoct.
Good Morning,
So, Megan, you believe I’ve had my head buried in the sand? I must surely believe that everyone enjoyed intense marital bliss prior to women’s lib? OK……
I don’t pretend to understand where you got that notion. Well, correction, I DO have an idea of the source; I had hoped I wouldn’t need to confront you on those grounds.
The other night, I asked you about your understanding of marriage. I did so for a reason: Your views seem to reject most possibility of any concept of marriage that’s related to spiritual concerns. Your comments don’t say it directly, but strongly imply a view of marriage purely as a legal and social construct. Essentially, “marriage” consists of a State provision for men and women to mate, bear children if they choose, enjoy tax breaks and related benefits, and grow old and die, all with relatively little harassment from either State or society. I also see a very strong interest in what I’d describe as a rabidly feminist view: You seem to insist that a State ought to be rigorous in enforcing marital rape laws and similar concerns, but to butt out entirely regarding anything else. In this view, the State ought to be involved in marriage primarily as a means of transforming society into a vision that you seek. In a sense, I understand that, but there’s a real problem here…
While I understand your angst with society’s expectations, I’m forced to challenge your idea that the State ought to be prodding society to change. I truly wonder whether some advocates truthfully understand what all they’re proposing.
We can definitely agree that society (and State) has frequently handled human sexuality and marriage only very poorly. Even within the past 150 years, Victorian values did not handle these properly. Unfortunately, the 1960′s rebellion didn’t help anything. Remember that when the State intervenes in anything, whomever creates the law must place a priority on something. Something must be encouraged or discouraged, some value must be placed on something; something must be enforced in some manner.
In various discussions I’ve had with pro-choice advocates, much trouble seems to revolve around differing views of the relationships between men and women. Many times I’ve been (subtlely or openly) accused of “discrimination” and “sexism”. This, even while the other advocates for the virtues of the Constitution, Church/State Separation, and how all we “evil” Christians (and other faiths) need to let go of our “old-fashioned” and “medieval” notions. VERY ironic!
(Seeing that the very same Constitution provides for a republican democracy, but these ideas have never been subjected to an actual vote of We, the People, at large, these accusations are rather hypocritical too, but that doesn’t seem to matter.)
How do we enforce laws against marital rape, etc, without inherently bringing the State into the bedroom as a witness? How do we provoke husbands and wives to respect each other and treat each other as human beings? How do we force people to behave as human beings with reason, not as pieces of meat (animals, in other words) that can be exploited for one’s own self gratification? Each of these difficulties involved a conflict of values. How do we require people to behave according to reasonable values without having the State declare what “values” can be to some degree?
I don’t think we can.
So, ultimately, either we must all worship a secular State–not going to happen–or else we must pick and choose those values that’re most essential to our society.
We choose to address abortion, “safe sex”, and gay “marriage” primarily because, for one thing, they’re current battle lines, but also because they’re the VERY LEAST interference possible by the State without simply abandoning any semblance of morals entirely or imposing one religion’s rules.
Civil rights can’t happen in any fashion if one isn’t alive in the first place.
(By the way, I’ve heard suggestions that ultimately, the Supreme Court may be unable to uphold Roe primarily because the rationale for the decision may be summarily undermined by scientific fact. Fact that comes about, in part, from research done on fetal tissue from abortions, or something similar…. Oops.)
Pardon me.
I don’t remember for sure why it was that Roe might be rendered void, thus overturned by default. A comment on the matter stuck out because the cause didn’t come from the pro-life side. Seems like it came from some practice or fact related to something the abortion industry enabled, like medical research. I don’t remember how it worked though.
My apologies.
this is the most disgusing thing i have ever seen in my life .God have mercy on the people that are doing this to there babies and the people performing this act …How could anyone do this to a baby ???? God have mercy on them couse the fires of hell well welcome them with open arms .God bless the little children and forgive the ones that did this for they no not what they do .God touch and lead them to the right path to stop this and save theses babies and not do this to them anymore ..There are maney familys that would love to have babies that cant ,,there is another opation to them not wanting to have there babies they can give them to someone that wants them .
Thank you ,
Trish Toler
If we overestimate our possibilities and abilities in life, we usually end up with “good”.If we underestimate them, we almost always end up with bad.
“Good” is not good enough. “Good” is a RESULT of striving for excellence. “Bad” is the usually the result of just trying to be good. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Those who strive to be “just good enough” underestimate those who strive for excellence, and fail, and end up with good. Too bad; Only God can judge the heart.
The groups can be permeable; striving for excellence always is always difficult, and not always done. None can afford to lose sight of “excellence”, which is always difficult, but never impossible.
–did you see how nicely the cloth was folded over the torn and bloody baby? As if technique trumps the supposed bone and muscle of a hominid. But we are more than this; we are humans that have the ability to believe in something better–and “Yes!”–there is a better way to handle this situation. We are not the First Cause or the unmoved Mover, and we are not just a teleological experiment! But we are life that knows life and consciousness simultaneously–and this is a gift from the numinous benefactor.
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this video is really disgusting. im all for showing pictures of aborted babies but this is really awful. i wouldnt show it to anyone, is nothing sacred anymore? there is a reason why your genitals are called your privates because they should be kept private.
Abortion is a physical horror and spiritual suicide for everyone involved in the killing of the child. But in spite of the physical horror, as a sidewalk counselor, I still feel more grief and misery for the mother and father choosing this path, and everyone who decieves them and encourages them into this “choice”.
The child is innocent, and has not offended God. Everyone else in that clinic who walks out alive is in grave danger of spending eternity in Hell.
THOSE WHO SEEM TO DESERVE LOVE THE LEAST OFTEN NEED IT THE MOST!!! LOVE AND LOTS OF PRAYER!