The fetus and transsexual appendages as parasites and STDs
And no, abortion does not harm anyone (when done properly), as a fetus is imposing itself on a woman’s body, without permission (unless the woman was trying to get pregnant, in that case – it was a desired result). A woman has a right to try to get rid of it, just as she has the right to get rid of an STD if she contracts it. Whether it was intended or not.
~ Blogger Jessica Sideways in the post, “An object lesson in abortion: parasitic relationships,” at GoldenCoathanger.com, March 18.
Sideways describes herself as a “transsexual woman,” begging the question, given her defined parameters, whether she would consider her penis the equivalent of a parasite or STD.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
“(unless the woman was trying to get pregnant, in that case – it was a desired result)”
How about as a guy, I use this line of thinking to get out of paying child support? Hey, I was just having sex. I wasn’t trying to get the woman pregnant. A child wasn’t the “desired” result so stay away from my wallet! Yes, it’s absurd.
Abortion does not harm anyone.
Abortion always harms the baby, and more often than not harms the woman, either physically, emotionally, or both. The one person it doesn’t harm is the abortionist, who gets money out of it. Although that’s not really true either, since his/her soul is destroyed in the process.
As for the “parasite” argument, I think Gregory Koukl explains it better than me.
http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5689
Oh, and now I can add “STD” to the list of things people call the baby to dehumanize it.
On one hand, we have pro-choicers arguing that it’s ok to abort because a fetus isn’t sentient.
On the other hand, we have pro-choicers like Jessica arguing that fetuses are sneaky, conniving creatures, looking for a uterus to squat in. “Ooh, there’s one… I’ll just climb up her leg, ever so quietly, and hope she doesn’t notice I’ve moved in until I’m viable…maybe if I’m really cute for the ultrasound, she’ll keep me!”
Dear Jessica,
Louis Pasteur disproved spontaneous generation over 150 years ago.
Sexually mature adults make babies by having sex. A fetus cannot create itself.
Having an abortion because you didn’t “give permission” to the baby to start living is like inviting a kid over to play at your house and then shooting him for trespassing.
From one former fetus to another, you need to get a clue.
“SIDEWAYS” IS REFLECTIVE OF OUR COMPLETELY CONFUSED SOCIETY. THEY SAY
THERE ARE NO ATHEISTS IN FOXHOLES. I BELEIVE WE WILL HAVE TO LIVE IN THE
EQUIVALENT TO A FOXHOLE BEFORE WE SEE THE LIGHT. HOLD ON AMERICA IT’S
COMING OUR WAY. WE WILL ALL BE SEEING VERY CLEARLY BEFORE WE KNOW IT.
GOD HAVE MERCY ON OUR SINFUL SOULS.
I don’t know how people come up with this line of thinking (I am really using the term “thinking” in the loosest way here). Sideways (if that is really her name, if fits so well) is in that “If it’s wanted, it’s a baby, if it’s not it’s not” mode. For our mealy mouthed politicians who try to walk the fence and say that there need to be way to reduce abortion, my question is “Why? If it’s not a baby, why worry about how many abortions are done anyway?” That’s kind of like saying it’s your choice to have your gall bladder removed, but the government should do what it can to reduce the incidents of gall bladder removals.
This confused girl/guy uses stuff like this for shock value. He/she is helping the pro life cause by saying outrageous things like this.
it take two to tango. this woman’s comments are absurd. she needs to take biology class again.
What happens when an abortion is done “improperly?” Perhaps Gosnell was an “improper” abortionist.
Do tell, Jessica.
If the unborn are not human, no justification of abortion is necessary. But if the unborn are human , no justification for elective abortion is adequate. -Gregory Koukl
This is the most selfish pro-abort argument I’ve heard! The fetus imposes itself on a woman’s body????!!!! So the blame now lies totally with the baby who has done something wrong and therefore deserves to be killed as punishment? Something like that. Wow, that’s a new one for me.
Lord, open these blinded eyes to see the beauty of life.
It is not new thinking at all. It is straight fronGkoria Steneim and Amanda Marcotte among others. And it is the norm of RH Delusional Check posters. And the idea of blaming the victim is the common tactic used by Nazis, rapists, etc.
I don’t really understand how Jessica “upside-down and backwards” can weigh in on the issue of abortion in the first place. Jessica was born MALE, therefore HE will never be pregnant. If you’re so mixed up and confused that you don’t even know what YOU are…
just sayin’.
*And no, I’m not saying that men have no business arguing about abortion because THEY can’t get pregnant. “It takes two to tango”. I’m only referring to “Jessica”.* This person needs a lot of prayer.
“a fetus is imposing itself on a woman’s body, without permission”
The proaborts really don’t like distasteful little tidbits of reality, such as the thought that sex has only one biological purpose: To make the baby who now finds itself an intrusive presence.
Little proabort girls who spread their legs need to understand that the very act of doing so gives implied consent. Anything else is delusional thinking.
I think Jessica’s analogy is a little sideways. Sending the deadbeat back to Philly is not quite the same as cutting him up into smaller pieces while he’s alive and then tossing him into the garbage can.
“Little proabort girls who spread their legs need to understand that the very act of doing so gives implied consent.”
Even when they’re raped, or are married and aren’t emotionally/physically/financially prepared to have a(nother) baby. You’ve really got women’s best interests at heart, Gerry.
Also, cute website. Guess there aren’t any ADULT women in Staten Island who would appreciate access to reduced-cost preventive care.
Oh, and to pre-empt the diatribe/jeremiad:
Megan is [selfish/foolish/dating a fake man-eunuch/deluded/prostitute/brainwashed/mentally ill/cold/evil/unfeeling/handmaiden of the liberal patriarchy/in denial/damaged goods]
Think that gives you a good list to choose from. Add your own epithet if you need to.
“On the other hand, we have pro-choicers like Jessica arguing that fetuses are sneaky, conniving creatures, looking for a uterus to squat in. “Ooh, there’s one… I’ll just climb up her leg, ever so quietly, and hope she doesn’t notice I’ve moved in until I’m viable…maybe if I’m really cute for the ultrasound, she’ll keep me!”
Hahahahahaha! Oh, thank you! Made my day! I had to laugh out loud! Spot on!
I have had extensive twitter conversations with Jessica Sideways…He was raised in a Christian home and does not say these things for shock value but actually believes them wholeheartedly…He/She needs our prayers…
The pro-abortion zealots like Jessica have been telling us for years to keep our laws off of their bodies and the government out of their bedrooms…We would love to oblige them by removing our hard earned tax dollars from supporting their sexual deviant behavior…See the article Please Keep Your Uterus Out Of Our Wallets Stop Funding Planned Parenthood Now!
Oh the “logic” is so painful. Of course in other articles she brings up the tired we are not required to donate organs, so why should I be required to use my organs to sustain my unborn baby arguement. Of course, the difference is that the unborn baby is already using your body. It would be as if I was breastfeeding my baby, decided I was sick of breastfeeding, and dropped the baby to the floor, killing her. The parasite was using my body and I withdrew consent!!!
Megan,
Breast Cancer
Childhood Leukemia
Alzheimer’s
Parkinson’s
Prostate Cancer
Cervical Cancer
Ovarian Cancer
Pancreatic Cancer
Antibiotic Resistant Bacteria
Retinoblastoma
Sickle Cell Anemia
Tuberculosis
Malaria
AIDS
Lymphoma
Bladder Cancer
Onchocerciasis (African River Blindness)
Diarrheal Disease
These are just a few of the diseases here and around the world that constitute the scourges whose treatment and cure cry out for funding. Take the $3.6 BILLION that Planned Parenthood will get over the next ten years and throw it at any one of these scourges and we would have real results improving the public health.
All Americans need to look at their family members with Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, Cancer, etc, and keep that number $3.6 BILLION fixed firmly in their minds.
Is my loved one’s suffering worth subsidizing my neighbor’s orgasm?
That’s the question.
Speaking of parasitic relationships – that describes Planned Parenthood and the culture of death – it produces nothing of lasting value and sucks the life out of everything.
When someone like Jessica goes completely circular with their reasoning, there is no point in arguing with them, because they are arguing with themselves.
Megan – self-identifying? Didn’t we just have that conversation?
Megan is [selfish/foolish/dating a fake man-eunuch/deluded/prostitute/brainwashed/mentally ill/cold/evil/unfeeling/handmaiden of the liberal patriarchy/in denial/damaged goods]
Thanks for saving me the time and trouble Megs. Luv ya.
“Oh, and to pre-empt the diatribe/jeremiad:
Megan is [selfish/foolish/dating a fake man-eunuch/deluded/prostitute/brainwashed/mentally ill/cold/evil/unfeeling/handmaiden of the liberal patriarchy/in denial/damaged goods]
Think that gives you a good list to choose from. Add your own epithet if you need to.”
Evolutionary dead end. Ineffective individual survival strategy. Ineffective group survival strategy. Likely will fall victim to competition to those more adapted to their environment.
Public health is about prevention. Vaccinating women (and men now, woo!) against HPV, screening for cervical cancer, testing for HIV, and prescribing contraception are smart investments for public health. BTW, diverting funding from public health to medical research is the dumbest thing I’ve heard all week. And this coming from a medical microbiologist, good Lord.
Megan – your solution requires massive funding.
Our solution, abstinence until Holy Marriage, and fidelity there-afer, requires merely individual self-control.
Apparently self-control is too much to ask.
Okay – do what you want, but you pay the costs completely, and leave the rest of us alone.
Again, you weren’t able to practice self-control, now were you, Chris? Doublethink: what conservatives do best.
Need I remind you that if your kid went to public school, chances are, taxpayers picked up the tab? I’m childless. Why should MY property taxes go to YOUR kid’s public school?
Need I remind you that if your kid went to public school, chances are, taxpayers picked up the tab? I’m childless. Why should MY property taxes go to YOUR kid’s public school?
Megan,
This is more disingenuous than usual for you. Comparing educating children to tearing them apart and throwing out their bodies? Logic fail.
Again, you weren’t able to practice self-control, now were you, Chris?
I noticed you used past tense Megan.
That’s right – I wasn’t able to practice self-control, so I’m speaking from experience. That’s not being hypocritical when you saw the error of your ways and changed your behavior. I lived in a culture where no one warned me of the dangers. Now I look back on that time and regret the actions I took, and want what’s better for my children, and their friends. When I say sex has consequences – it’s because I’ve lived through them.
You give the impression that if someone warned you that a major bridge was out down the road you were traveling, you’d yell at them for trying to kill your joyride – then speed off down the road towards the chasm.
You don’t really believe the bridge is out, and you don’t believe you’ll crash, nor do you believe it will be painful. You probably find it hard to think someone may think more highly of your long-term well-being than you do yourself. The choices are yours, but so are the consequences.
Why does someone speaking the truth bother you Megan?
NAR,
Thanks for the link. That’s an excellent essay.
Here’s how I’ve always thought of it. Back in the ’60’s my family camped near Lake George, N.Y. They said a man lived there whose habit it was to swim back and forth across the lake every morning. I’ve wondered. What if during the night someone handcuffed a baby to his ankle somehow? Does he have the right to continue in his routine swim?
We are not a world of seven billion hermits. Every man may be an island, in some ways. But we are not just a group of islands. We are a society. We are people. We all have worth.
Megan asked: Why should MY property taxes go to YOUR kid’s public school?
Fair question – being childless, you might want my children around to enrich or even save your life. If they were studying to be doctors or nurses, you’d rely on them for your medical care. If they were contractors they might build your home, or maybe grow and deliver your food.
If not for the successive generations Megan, you’d lack the soldiers for your defense, the police to maintain order, the economy to offer you goods.
I think you need my children a lot more than I need your abortions, your birth control, your uncommitted, non-marital sex.
Because you’re childless and unwilling to listen to experience, you’re leveraging all the benefits couples that raise healthy children offer to society, without paying anywhere near the true cost incurred by those couples. Broken homes don’t make healthy children or healthy society – do they?
So if I suggest what is needed to make a truly healthy home, given my experience in these matters, it might be advice worth considering, particularly when you lack such experience and wisdom.
BTW – that experience allows me to see further – hence, I’ll stay up on my “high horse”.
Megan,
“Why should MY property taxes go to YOUR kid’s public school? ”
That’s easy Megs. MY children’s education will ensure their literacy and job security which means that they’ll be paying YOUR social security and medicare. (So you’re helping yourself here)
Taxpayer-funded orgasms avail society nothing.
“Need I remind you that if your kid went to public school, chances are, taxpayers picked up the tab? I’m childless. Why should MY property taxes go to YOUR kid’s public school?”
Ugh, public schools don’t teach much do they? Public schools are funded by bond issues. By the time you pay, you are paying for your own education plus interest.
“Taxpayer-funded orgasms avail society nothing.”
That is an overstatement.
They subsidize the fun for guys who don’t want to commit to a woman because the taxpayer pays to make her infertile and therefore more sexually available. Of course there is nothing in it for responsible people or their families.
“Megan asked: Why should MY property taxes go to YOUR kid’s public school?”
You are right, Meg. They shouldn’t. Close them down. The rich will still educate their kids, and the religious will educate theirs. There just won’t be any secular education for the non-rich.
Are you aware that “fetus” is simply latin for “little one”. This is a living human with a heartbeat and brain waves. I think you can hardly say that about your fake penis.
Oopsie, Michele…
“Jessica” is a MALE living as a FEMALE, so the penis isn’t fake, the “vagina” is.
“Taxpyayer-funded orgasms avail society nothing.”
Well, to continue the theme of utililtarianism…sex tends to make people happy, which is always good for society :) But on a serious note, no amount of moralizing will stop people from having premarital sex. I’m all for encouraging monogamy and safety, but abstinence-until-marriage campaigns are too embedded in religious ideology. Since it doesn’t look like chastity belts will be making a comeback anytime soon, preventing the transmission of HIV, unwanted pregnancies and the progression of cervical cancer through comprehensive sexual health care are all smart public investments.
“If they were studying to be doctors or nurses, you’d rely on them for your medical care. If they were contractors they might build your home, or maybe grow and deliver your food.”
Sure. And if they were meth-head degenerates, I’d be paying for their rehabilitation. See, works both ways.
Also Chris, speaking of “responsible sexual activity,” I have a question for you. Say a married woman over the age of 40 has sex and gets pregnant, knowing full well that older mothers have a higher risk of delivering babies with developmental disabilities. Her baby has Down’s. Should the state have to provide special educational programs for this child?
“Should the state have to provide special educational programs for this child?”
The majority of kids with birth defects are born to mothers with no risk factors, but thanks anyway for showing us your callous indifference to children with disabilities.
Anyway, the proportion of older mothers now is higher than ever due to the fanatical birth control propaganda against getting married and having kids younger. First they tell you that you are too young, then they tell you that you are too old. You can’t win! But they do. They sell you birth control when you are young, and fertility treatments when you are old. Best of all they get rich selling you all the high profit margin products you can “afford” now that you don’t have to feed those kids and save money for later.
“Jessica” looks down, sees a penis, yet identifies as being a woman. Transexualism is classified in medicine as a mental health disorder. That said, he wouldn’t be an adequate spokesperson on behalf of normal, reasonable people regarding who’s in the womb.
And.
I think his gobbledygook reinforces his disordered self-identity and thinking processes.
BTW: Speaking of STDs, I hope he gets that herpes-like sore near his lip looked at. It’s invading his body.
(It always amazes me when proaborts demonstrate the only way they can argue for supporting the execution of a unique, individual human being is by stripping away his/her humanness…….babies in the womb are a normal process for the procreation of mankind…….proaborts have to make the unborn out to be a disease (un-human) in a futile attempt to condone the uncondonable. Likewise, they must strip away the beauty of motherhood from women – yet still claim they are supporters of women’s liberation. What? Exactly….)
“Likewise, they must strip motherhood from women and call themselves supporters of women’s liberation.”
Maybe they mean liberation from being female, because the only part of the woman they value is the part that doesn’t have anything to do with actual female functions.
Michelle: On the other hand, we have pro-choicers like Jessica arguing that fetuses are sneaky, conniving creatures, looking for a uterus to squat in.
: D Yeah, I’ve always found stuff like this silly, if not outright just aimed at pushing pro-lifers’ buttons.
Chris A: Now I look back on that time and regret the actions I took, and want what’s better for my children, and their friends. When I say sex has consequences – it’s because I’ve lived through them.
Well said, Chris. Often, it seems to me that part of the human condition is having to learn the hard way, over and over.
I’m pro-choice but glad I never got anybody pregnant and never got any sexually-transmitted diseases.
Also Chris, speaking of “responsible sexual activity,” I have a question for you. Say a married woman over the age of 40 has sex and gets pregnant, knowing full well that older mothers have a higher risk of delivering babies with developmental disabilities. Her baby has Down’s. Should the state have to provide special educational programs for this child?
I have to assume, Megan, that you have little to no experience with disabled children. This callous and harsh approach to their lives and needs clearly indicates your complete ignorance on the subject.
HUH? A fetus imposes it’s life on a women’s body without permission? WoW!!!! That is so insane!
So, this “fetus” (they say has no brain and nothing viable) now needs to seek legal representation to have Life Permission Papers filed and presented to their “maybe” Mommy in hopes she will carry them in her womb for 9 months?
What’s in our water? What has happened to the brains of so many who have thought patterns like this? Just think, you share the road with minds like this! SCARY!!!
That Sideways person is NOT a woman and will never be. And to say that a fetus is imposing itself on a woman’s body nothing short of insanity. They do not embrace the word of an all-knowing God but the imperfect severly limited knowledge of Man. And I do mean severly limited. God will also punish all women and men who partake in this abomination known as abortion just as he will forgive all who repent of this barbaric act. Fools always forget that God HATES sin! But God is always eager to forgive those who REPENT of their sins and turn over a new leaf dedicated to serving him.
My partner works with disabled adults. I support his work, and public programs for differently-abled individuals, 100%. I am playing devil’s advocate. Chris seems uber-concerned that non-married people are having sex, to the detriment of his bank account. I’m merely asking if there are other situations in which one could take the moral high ground on sexual activity on the basis that it “costs the taxpayer too much money.”
The state, mostly Medicaid, pays about $100,000 for one of my partner’s clients per year. This goes to food, housing and medical expenses.
Age of the mother IS a known risk factor for delivering a baby with cognitive handicaps (regardless of the etiology, hippie). So knowing this increased risk, is it irresponsible–by Chris’ standards–for women over 40 to have sex, if the result could end up costing the taxpayer thousands of dollars each year?
Megan asked – Should the state have to provide special educational programs for this child?
Megan, my earliest experience with Down Syndrome was with my childhood best friend’s little brother. You’d like him – he’s a funny, affectionate man who loves life – in addition to being a comedian who loves practical jokes, he does pretty well at some sports. You could say he’s highly functional.
What it took wasn’t money – it took great love and affection – time with him. Patience, inclusion, and rethinking opportunities. He’s enriched the lives of all those around him.
Very dear friends of ours with many kids have a young child with Down – he’s the most affectionate one in the house. He’s the greeter/introducer at our church – he’ll get adult friends of his to shake hands with new people coming in, by reminding us when we get busy talking with each to not forget someone new passing by.
I don’t think the state should have to provide what I consider charitable services , but it can provide incentives for those charities that do. It can reduce expenses for those who are managing such accidental situations. Taking money out of my pocket because the state desires to be charitable doesn’t work. Charity through taxation is not charity at all.
Yes – Down children have more congenital problems, but these are not insurmountable. We are not overwhelmed with numerous Down cases.
I want you to consider something – the population of my state has close to 180,000 fewer taxpayers because they were aborted.
Most of those children had nothing physically wrong with them, other than being at the wrong place at the wrong time, with the wrong person. That’s a lot of revenue and productivity, that would have made our state more financially stable (managed properly) gone. It’s not speculative – those were actual recorded pregnancies. They count.
We all live our lives at the grace and mercy of others. Down syndrome individuals have an extra chromosome, but that doesn’t make them less human than we are.
In some cases it makes them better.
As for suggesting that my children would be meth-degenerates you’d have to pay to rehabilitate begs the question. We are talking about being responsible here. Shouldn’t we encourage personal responsibility at every point?
I don’t think a state can replace a mature biological mother and father who love and want to raise their own kids and see them successful in life.
Good gracious! What twisted logic! We must keep talking about the truth – that a pre-born human is valuable and has worth, simply because they are human.
And health care services can and should be done on the local level. Every community has health providers that do not provide abortions – and they provide other heath care services also for the heart, lungs, muscles, brain, bones, digestion, reproduction and every other system and part of the body. No need to have Planned Parenthood around at all! In fact – it would be much better if they were not there to provide ‘reproductive services’ since not only do they eliminate humans, but mislead so many in their behavior!
Jessica – what if some government sponsored agency decided that some men-turned-‘female’ are a parasite on society and needed to be eliminated, just because some people thought so. Wouldn’t you want someone to protect you and remind society that you are human and have worth, just because you are?
Think about it. when we can deny the humanity of any segment of the population, we are all in danger. Be very careful when others determine your worth… one may be on the list of those deemed sub-human, and that would be tragic.
Planned Parenthood is imposing itself on me, taking my tax dollars without my permission. It’s time to remove the parasite.
Megan,
Too bad you don’t know much about infectious diseases or public health, or you wouldn’t have made such an ignorant statement as you did at 3:27. You need to be grounded in facts in order to come off well in an argument.
You Don’t.
BTW, he is a pre-med student, I hear. Yeeowza. 9_9
I think a transsexual premed student would be akin to a blind air traffic control operator.
Megs,
“no amount of moralizing will stop people from having premarital sex.”
This has nothing to do with moralizing. This has to do with fundamental human realities and responses that have been in place from time immemorial.
It’s really simple Megs.
Boy screws girl.
Girl gets pregnant.
Boy pays child support for next twenty years.
Remove the escape hatch of abortion, and a lot more guys are going to be thinking three or four times about their behavior.
Contraception and abortion foster perpetual adolescence. Also, they encourage males to engage in the most vulgar expressions of chauvinism. You weren’t alive and going to college in the heyday of modern feminism, so please spare us all with your accusations that it is we who moralize.
You really are pretty illiterate, Megan.
You don’t know history.
You aren’t well versed in feminism.
You don’t know infectious disease mechanisms
You don’t know infectious disease epidemiology.
You don’t know what the CDC has to say about condom efficacy.
And yet you come here and prattle on in an endless succession of proabort bumper sticker slogans. Try going to a college bookstore and actually get some red meat reading instead of pro-choice bumper-sticker browsing on Google Images.
It’s really getting tiresome.
Grow up sweetie, and try thinking about the things you say you think about.
megan
Only intellectually dishonest religious nutjobs would argue otherwise.
Cue your own conspiracy theory. Food for thought if your so enlightened that killing babies in their mothers wombs fells to move you how enlightened would you have to be in your own opinion to actually care about what happens to babies in their mothers wombs. I could really care less how much you know because you have already shown how much you don’t care. And if your arguments are based on your compassion for people why doesn’t that compassion extend to the defenseless?
@Megan, “pretty effective” is right! See http://www.cdc.gov/condomeffectiveness/latex.htm. To quote the CDC, “condom use cannot provide absolute protection against any STD. The most reliable ways to avoid transmission of STDs are to abstain from sexual activity, or to be in a long-term mutually monogamous relationship with an uninfected partner.”
On the other hand, we have pro-choicers like Jessica arguing that fetuses are sneaky, conniving creatures, looking for a uterus to squat in. “Ooh, there’s one… I’ll just climb up her leg, ever so quietly, and hope she doesn’t notice I’ve moved in until I’m viable…maybe if I’m really cute for the ultrasound, she’ll keep me!”
I’ve heard various pro-abort theories of personhood assigned names, like “Magic Vagina Theory” and so forth. Can we please call this one “Diabolical Fetus Invader Theory”? :D
LOL, Clarice! I’m game if you are!
<play scary music>
Coming to a uterus near you- it’s the Diabolical Fetal Invaders!
Look out ladies- they may look cute and innocent, but recent ultrasound technology has revealed that not only are fetuses bald, they now come complete with a monacle and a white cat.
<play evil laugh soundtrack> BWA HA HA HA HA! BWA HA HA HA HA!
Have you heard that it takes two adults having sexual intercourse to make a child? WRONG! You’ve obviously been brainwashed by those crazy anti-choicers!
Fetuses are all around you- hiding in every stork’s nest and under millions of cabbage leaves, waiting for the perfect moment to attack. They have joined forces with pro-lifers, plotting increasingly complex plans to force themselves into the depths of your body. They are so bold that they will even implant while you are peacefully sleeping, completely unaware of the diabolical plot being enacted against your bodily autonomy and future goals!
Call your Congressperson! Alert the media! This rampage against women must be stopped with taxpayer funds if women are ever to achieve equality with men!! Defend us from the Diabolical Fetal Invaders now!!!
Megan,
AGAIN with the bumper stickers! Newsflash Megs, we read the CDC here. HIV is the ONLY disease that condoms are called highly effective at preventing. It’s all downhill from there.
Grow up and get honest Megan, and stop the nonsense here. You just look foolish and immature. You’re dealing with a microbiologist who was dealing with HIV and public health since before you were born. Again, you just look and sound foolish.
Leave the bumper stickers and engage on an adult level.
Xalisae – “I think a transsexual premed student would be akin to a blind air traffic control operator.”
What do you mean by this? Do you think that transexualism isn’t a real medical condition?
Why did Jill refer to Mr. Sideways as “her”? That’s exactly what he wants, but it’s fantasy and evil. Unless Mr. Sideways was really born and naturally developed with both male and female organs (rare), then God intended him to be a man. And that’s the way we should refer to him. Talking to him face to face, I would probably call him, “Jess,” which sounds a little more manly. If he told me he were a woman, and I didn’t know he was a man, I would call “her” “Jessica” and pity “her” ugliness.
Kristina Johansson – Transsexualism is a mental disorder. In my opinion, the only reason it is considered a “medical condition” is because sexual confusion is (unfortunately) fashionable.
Whether Jessica identifies as a man or a woman, and why she identifies as one or the other, is loads less important to this site than what she thinks about abortion. Although I can’t say this happens frequently, it does seem to me that this site gets into transgender issues far too often for a site that’s about abortion, not transgenderism, the psychology of gender, or anything along those lines. GLBT issues just keep unnecessarily dividing us because Jill or whoever keeps unnecessarily bringing them up. I’m sure the people here disagree about all sorts of things when it comes to topics unrelated to abortion; in fact, I know we do. Why provide yet another opportunity for us to get into disagreements when we could be doing something more useful?
army_wife, saying that sexual confusion is “fashionable” is, frankly, a callous and insensitive comment. I took several years to figure out that I was bisexual and trying to make sense of my feelings was a source of angst and turmoil in my life. Nice to know I was just doing it to be “fashionable.”
I have met more gender confused people in the last 20 years than I ever thought possible when I was younger. Not a single one has any self respect. Every single one is filled with self-loathing. Every single one is just as sick and self-hating post-op as pre-op.
What does a fetus hater think of his own life? Was he an invader in his mother’s womb? If so, he should give his mother a huge award for not evicting him. Ah, this brings up another side of the self-hating gender-confused individual: I’ve never met one who has a good relationship with either parent.
Oh, and Kristina? It’s diagnosed as body dysmorphic disorder.
I’m sick of all this “I’ve never met one” garbage from anyone and everyone on any issue. I’ve never met a Mormon, a Buddhist, or anyone from Australia, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist. ninek, I agree with you on a lot of things otherwise, but I think it’s just incredibly arrogant to act as though your personal life experience reflects all the various people and situations in the world. It’s not any different from the pro-choicers who show up here and refuse to admit that women could regret having an abortion because all their friends are so thrilled to have had one.
Maybe people with gender identity issues have problems with self-respect because people keep treating them like these diseased sub-humans instead of bothering to have any compassion for them. I see a lot more stuff on this site about transgender people being sick or wrong – or, as we see from army_wife, “fashionable” – than I see anyone saying, “You know, no matter what I think about transgender people and why they’re transgender, it must be really hard to try to live with those feelings.” There is a lot on this site that reflects well on the pro-life regulars. This is not one of those things.
“Age of the mother IS a known risk factor for delivering a baby with cognitive handicaps (regardless of the etiology, hippie).”
Uh, huh, but it is precisely the birth control, wait, wait, wait to have kids culture that you promote that is the reason so many waited till they are so old to have kids.
It is precisely the brutality of expecting folks to meet social demands that their bodies weren’t designed/evolved for that causes the situation you label irresponsible. Having kids in your 20’s is irresponsible because you are too poor.
Having kids after 30 is irresponsible because waiting so long maximizes your breast cancer risk.
Having kids over 40 is irresponsible because the kid might be perfect enough for society’s approval.
Basically we are talking a no win situation. Whatever you do, it’s wrong.
Well that about covers a woman’s entire reproductive life and there is plenty of money to be made by the medical industrial complex in any case.
“I’m sick of all this “I’ve never met one” garbage from anyone and everyone on any issue. I’ve never met a Mormon, a Buddhist, or anyone from Australia, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist.”
Beautiful!!!
So true, the argument from the parochial!!
It reminds me of a New Yorker cover I once saw with a cartoon on it showing New York as 1/3 of the world, the rest of the USA as 1/3 and Europe as 1/3. Funny and telling. The bubble dwellers and their narrow self focused worlds lecturing others on how to be more like they are. They of course, don’t see the irony of their own self-righteous judgement of others from their cocoon of their own little culture because they are so bound by their limited cultural beliefs, they cannot transcend them.
Marauder, you couldn’t be more wrong about gender confused people having self-loathing because people around them don’t accept it. A young man I know is starting hormone treatments and going through “puberty.” A few years ago, no one would have said, “gee, he’s kind of feminine.” But he was self-loathing. Now he thinks being a girl will help, not because he needs to be a girl but because it’s the ‘solution of the month’ for him.
Gender confusion is an interior disorder. Yes, people around you might not be very sympathetic, but that’s not why you’re ill at ease in your own skin. The operative phrase is: ill at ease in your own skin. One of my friends who’s husband divorced her and got a sex change did not see it coming after a decade and a half of marriage. Was he miserable the whole time? Yes. Was he a woman trapped in a man’s body? No. One of my relatives works with post-operative individuals for a living. She really summed it up. She says, It’s not politically correct to say this out loud, or we sound intolerant, but gender re-assignment doesn’t solve their problems. In many cases it makes them worse. For example, if you’re a man-turned-woman and then have regret, can you just glue your penis back on? Nope.
Body dysmorphic disorder is not solved with scalpels and hormones, Marauder. It’s in the psyche. I live in an area densely populated with homosexuals and transgendered people. This environment couldn’t be more accepting. And yet, with all the moral support and like-minded people, they are still miserable. I am older than you, Marauder, and when you get older you will understand better the very long term effects of this kind of thing. I have shown a lot of compassion to them. Do you think I’d be so cold hearted as to tell a post-op that they’re sick? They know they are, they are already in therapy. Many have been for years and will be in therapy for many years to come. And what do I think of these therapists? Some of them are greedy, enabling, and just want the weekly money to keep rolling in. There are some great therapists out there, but the quacks don’t come with a warning label tattooed on their forehead. I’m sorry if you think badly of me for writing my opinion but it is what it is.
Gerard @ 9:56PM
Unfortunately, given my own kids recent college experiences, I’ve learned most college bookstores no longer carry anything serious – except for pure sciences (and even then there’s problems).
Most of the classes which look at social problems have devolved into pure propaganda without a shred of seriousness. My son conveys that most real students are getting disgusted with the whole scam.
It’s no longer a matter of being literate, and being able to critically think for yourself.
What do you mean by this? Do you think that transexualism isn’t a real medical condition?
No. I don’t. Either you have XX chromosomes or XY, which makes you a male or a female. Transsexuality is like saying “I know the sky reflects back light in a blue wavelength, but I think it’s really actually purple, because that’s what I’d prefer.”
And that’s really my entire problem with it, along the same exact vein as abortion. The denial of a biological truth (in this case that the fetal human is in fact a human being and living member of our species, and to a greater extent that we all go through that stage of development and those fetuses are/were US.) in favor of whatever one chooses to believe in order to accommodate THEM and how THEY FEEL and what THEY WANT.
And I have zero (0) qualms with the homosexual community, because that’s just their personal preference. Granted, it doesn’t make sense to me from a biological standpoint, as the entire point of being alive on the planet is to propagate your species and carry on your genetics, but meh, whatever. But at least they aren’t trying to argue something to me that can be easily disproved through basic biology and attempting to make me join their mad hatter’s tea party as trans-folk are. I will not call someone born with a penis “she”, ever, and if they want to get pissed off at me, fine. I don’t really give a squat. It also rubs me the wrong way that they’ve gotten the media who I get my information from going along with this charade and informing me of things that are not so in that manner.
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“And I have zero (0) qualms with the homosexual community, because that’s just their personal preference” – you obviously haven’t read the medical literature then.
And deeper research would show that it isn’t as simple as “No. I don’t. Either you have XX chromosomes or XY, which makes you a male or a female”.
I’m not talking about what causes them to be attracted to members of the same sex. I’m saying they ARE attracted to members of the same sex, and that’s not a quantitative value that can be measured. Even if no genetic markers were ever found for “gay”, people can still say, “Hey, I rather like members of my same gender.” and that’s not something that can be dis-proven, is it. It’d be like trying to scientifically determine if artwork was “beautiful” or not.
This mentality of the fetus being some sort of unknown foreign invader reminds me of an old Roman medical ailment ‘roaming womb’. It was believed in Ancient Rome that the womb would not only roam around the womans body (causing hysteria, fainting, headaches, unreasonableness, disobedience, and even a ‘gossiping tongue’ if it was out of position, depending upon where it was) but could even roam OUTSIDE the body if didn’t get what it ‘wanted’ (sex leading to pregnancy and/or orgasms depending upon which theory was in vogue). So a woman who got pregnant without her ‘knowledge’ might have a roaming womb! This so reminds me of this. ‘What? I’m pregnant? How did THAT happen? I always used a condom! I didn’t give permission for my womb to be used! *gasp!* that darned womb went out and got all knocked up while I was sleeping!’ Maybe Planned Parenthood should start offering fumigation services! (The medical treatment for roamng womb was to place something that smelled good near the vagina if the womb was too high in the body, or gone, or something foul smelling if it was too low in the body, to either intice or repell it.)
I have noticed that numerous “Pro-lifers” take issue with the dehumanizing of the baby inside mother’s body, or even new human beings who are outside mother’s body, such as those who begin their lives outside mother’s body (IVF, ARTs, Cloning, etc.), in order for baby butcher supporters and exploiters to justify slaughtering these new human beings, then some pro-lifers, without thinking it through before hand, turn around and dehumanize the baby themselves by calling baby “it.”
Please, stop calling the baby inside mother’s body, or even outside mother’s body “it.”
The use of the term “it” actually does define baby as an object, even an inanimate object, not a living human being who pro-lifers are trying to protect and defend her life from baby butchers.
There is nothing wrong with referring to baby as baby, her, him, or even “new human being,” even if that requires three words.
Throughout the world the terms “him” or “he” has been used for centuries to refer to a person who is not known. I am fine with “him,” or “her,” as long as the term reflects that this is a human being.
For those who might leap ahead and say, “Well, the term “he” or “her” might refer to a goat, a spider, a fish, a maggot, a frog, a giraffe, etc., so there!” Usually the term “him” or “her,” when used in the context of the pro-life, protection of baby from abortion issue, is already understood, that we are referring to living human beings targeted for slaughter by abortionists, and/or pharmaceuticals or other methods. When we call baby “him, ” or “Her” instead of “it” we do acknowledge his or her humanity, and that she or he is alive and involved in the continuum of his or her overlapping stages of development that will continue through the rest of her life, no matter how long or short that life might be.
Please, let’s remember, don’t call a living human being, including babies residing inside their mother’s womb, an “it.”
Thank you.
I agree with Carla, William. My mother also referred to a human baby as an “it.” A baby is a helpless, vulnerable thing; it can’t yet speak or much respond in any way except by crying. What ought to protect a human baby from killing by other human beings is God’s mark on it. Cain begged for such a mark to prevent his violence from returning on his own head. After the Flood, which God sent because of human violence, He specifically commanded human beings not to kill each other. His explanation had nothing to do with level of development or quality of life but everything to do with the kind of creation which human beings were, i.e. their “species,” if you will.
“It” might also be appropriate for a human being who hides or mutilates his own sexuality, e.g. a man who tries to look like a woman. However, I’m not sure what I would say there.
fyi
The Carla that just posted is not the Carla that is a moderator here. :)
Ok. Carry on.
@ Chris Arsenault 6:31 PM
You’re so right about that. 95% of the college degrees on the market today are actually worth 1/10 of what’s being payed for them (maybe). Megan is people’s exhibit A.
“I’ve learned most college bookstores no longer carry anything serious – except for pure sciences (and even then there’s problems).”
What are the odds folks like Megan took any pure science classes above the remedial level? Let alone Calc or Stat. The sad thing is these people actually believe they are educated. The don’t know much of anything, but they have a credential. Honestly, I blame the institutions for their abysmal standards. Folks like Megan are actually exploited by these “colleges”.
Martha, are you kidding me?!
Why don’t you just tell people in the following places to clear out of their “cage”: Provincetown, Fire Island, most of New York City, Miami, and San Francisco, just to name a few. No, you’ve got to be kidding. People voluntarily move where they know they can find like-minded people. The “cage” is all in YOUR mind. People in metropolitan areas are very diverse an openminded. Having grown up in a small community before I moved to different big cities, I know exactly what would motivate a person to move where they heard they could meet more people like them. If you were a young person looking to meet other young people, you wouldn’t move into a senior retirement community.
If a person with same-sex attraction is living in a small town with only two other individuals that they know of who’s orientation is the same, do you honestly think that when they move to greener pastures, they’re walking into a cage and locking the door behind them? Or perhaps you’ve mistaken the barbeques and parties on Fire Island for the Warsaw Ghetto, where Nazis forced Jews to brick up their own windows in homes on the ghetto’s outer edge? Your comment is bizarre.
I’ve answered your comment for the sake of other readers who lurk and don’t reply. Other than that, I can’t take you seriously.
Personally I always try to refer to unborn babies as she/her. Goes beyond “it” and even beyond the generic “he”.
“What are the odds folks like Megan took any pure science classes above the remedial level? Let alone Calc or Stat. The sad thing is these people actually believe they are educated.”
That’s pure speculation on your part, which really just makes you look catty and stupid. Apparently the universities you both attended validate mudslinging as a form of intellectual exchange. But really, what can be expected from a “scientist” who uses his education to further a regressive, ideologically-motivated cause?
Well, after reading this article, you could knock me over with a feather:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/cdc-study-shatters-lesbian-graduation-myth-college-girls/story?id=13166630
Further proof, Martha, that people who are open-minded about their sexuality are not living in cages. Wow!!
“That’s pure speculation on your part,”
Not really, folks who are more likely to take those classes are less likely to agree with you. More like an educated guess given that few colleges require much pure science or math for lots of those fuzzy goofy BA programs that have become their cash cows and which are populated predominantly by folks who just want a credential.
Ha, ha, ninek, you gotta love how the researchers try to spin it:
“A lot of these women were heterosexual and had kids in those marriages and have moved on to lesbian relationships,” said Coontz. “High school dropouts live in communities where there are real shortages of good male partners. It’s not surprising to me that these women are experimenting to find out if female partners would be more reliable.”
Ha, ha, it looks like these ladies aren’t exactly good female partners. No, wait, they are women, therefore, it has to be the guys’ fault. High school dropouts are great female partners who couldn’t be expected to “settle”. You can’t make this stuff up.
Yeah, it can’t possibly be that folks with same sex attraction are not only not biologically successful, nor are they academically/socially successful due to mental/emotional issues.
No, of course not. The arrow of causation can never point in the obvious direction. Now if these were fundie chicks who were dropouts then of course, naturally you would just logically expect it, but lesbians, why, how can that be? They must be oppressed by living in a community where the good male partners don’t want to marry a high school dropout! LOL
Honestly, I feel for these ladies, but please, the reporting and the excuses are pathetic.
Jessica, your logic is “sideways”
That baby has not imposed on anyone, he/she did not ask to be conceived. If anything you are imposing on the baby by conceiving them without their permission and then killing them without their permission. Who’s imposing on who here? This kind of thinking is just a classic case of blaming the victim and it’s just pathethic. I noticed anytime someone wants to oppress a group of people (i.e. the unborn) they often do it by making themsleves seem like the victim. It’s because they need sympathy, without it they don’t have a leg to stand on.
Where did you go to college hippie? What are YOUR credentials, might I ask?
ninek: People don’t have to condemn you to your face for you to know that people around you won’t accept you if you start externalizing what’s on the inside. As for your accepting neighborhood, do you think the people there don’t have any connections to the rest of the outside world? No parents or relatives elsewhere who haven’t made it perfectly clear that they think their children are freaks? Do you think that once they moved there, all the condemnation and hatred they suffered elsewhere just disappeared?
Don’t patronize me because I don’t agree with you. I would never say that you just don’t get it because you’re old and close-minded. I might not agree with your opinion, but I acknowledge that you’re capable of forming it as a thinking person.