They did not sacrifice their lives to allow 50 million abortions
Memorial Day is the ultimate insult to those Americans who died in our previous wars, because it so clearly juxtaposes the values of an earlier time and the sacrifices of those veterans who died in defense of America, with the America which exists today. The men who put on the uniform did not do so to allow 50 million abortions….
~ Columnist Mark Vogel in his post, “Memorial Day, 2011, who mourns who this year?,” NolanChart.com, May 29
May.30, 2011 8:09 am |
Uncategorized |
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Mourn all the children who died defending their parents – and those children who died at the hands of their parents.
Chris,
That was beautiful.
How dare you turn Memorial Day into an anti-abortion crusade. Some things in life are not about abortion at all. I will be remembering and thanking our fallen soldiers today – as well as the living ones, like my son and my nephew. Save your one-track minds for tomorrow and give our service men and women your attention for a measly 24 hours.
This is a fine tribute to Memorial Day. It’s all about duty and honor. We have shirked our duty when it comes to the unborn by puting the self centered individual above the unborn in the name of individuality. So sad. Even if you are pro-life, our silence just because it is legal in the U.S. is a shame.
Chris,
Excellent!
Kay – my grandfather served, my father served, I served.
If you can’t see the correlation between serving and defending life – all life, then you really don’t know what it means to serve, or to lay down your life for others.
Thank your son and your nephew for their service for me.
May God bless them and keep them from harm, and may you never know what it’s like to stand at their graveside.
One last thought Kay – How many of those 50 million aborted United States children would have loved to have served their country, their parents, their siblings, their own children?
Kay @“How dare you turn Memorial Day into an anti-abortion crusade. Some things in life are not about abortion at all.
I think that you are wrong. My son is in the military and had risked his life in war and I can promise you that he didn’t do it in so that people had the rights to KILL. No, he does it so that we can all have LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, including the unborn. Memorial Day very much applies to abortion for those brave soldiers who are pro-life, like my son.
Kay says:
May 30, 2011 at 9:37 am
How dare you turn Memorial Day into an anti-abortion crusade. Some things in life are not about abortion at all. I will be remembering and thanking our fallen soldiers today – as well as the living ones, like my son and my nephew. Save your one-track minds for tomorrow and give our service men and women your attention for a measly 24 hours.
Kay,
I understand why you’d think pro-lifers aren’t thinking and praying for our service men and women both past and present, alive and dead. But you’d be very, very, very wrong:
I’m pro-life. I have a nephew serving in the USA Marines who has nearly lost his life more than once in one of the most dangerous areas. I have a cousin who got an HONORABLE discharge from the Marines, who was nearly shot by a sniper in Iraq. My grandfather on my father’s side is a Veteran of WWII. I think and pray for our service men and women on a DAILY basis (sometimes several times in one day). The corelation between the pro-life movement and what our service men and women stand for does, in fact, exist. The pro-life movement seeks to defend and protect life, our service men and women seek to defend and protect life. Just because a person happens to be located in their mother’s womb, rather than outside of it, doesn’t make said person less defend-able. For the record, both my nephew and my cousin from the Marines are adopted by pro-life families.
Our service men and women defend the country not so that people can be killed, but so that people can live. That’s the corelation.
Sadly, we meet many military men & women who believe they are heroes for fighting overseas, but they line up to kill their own helpless children back here in America. God help us, we are a wicked nation!
Your top post says that our brave men and women in uniform “sacrificed their lives to purchase our freedoms and liberties” – that would include the right to choose.
They’re not ‘crusaders’.
Military personnel have abortions too.
Reality said: Your top post says that our brave men and women in uniform “sacrificed their lives to purchase our freedoms and liberties” – that would include the right to choose to kill innocent human beings – American citizens.
There – fixed that for you.
How dare WE…defenders of life…come to a PRO-LIFE blog to honor our men and women in the military…defenders of the very FREEDOM we have to say what we want to say as Americans!
@Kay: My relatives/ancestors have served in every war since the REVOLUTION. My cousin’s son is serving in Afghanistan right now. He would have been aborted if my aunt and my cousin’s brother and sister had had their way. My cousin refused, and now that son is serving our country.
Kay,
I see your point, and can appreciate your wanting to keep the focus on those who have fallen.
When I was in the seminary, I received my Ensign’s Commission in the U.S. Navy Chaplain Corps as a student chaplain. I come from a LONG line of sailors, and appreciate the traditions and the honor of military service.
Today, at my community’s Memorial Day parade, our Grand Marshall was a veteran who fought in Patton’s army at the Battle of the Bulge. I was at the parade with my son as an Assistant Scoutmaster of his Boy Scout troop as the troop handed out 4,000 American Flags to those on the parade route. When it was all over, my son approached the Grand Marshall, handed him a flag, shook his hand, and thanked him for his service. This ancient warrior looked deeply into Joseph’s eyes and said, “Son, we’d do it all over again for you if we had to.”
He meant it.
They sacrificed for honor, for country, and for the man next to themselves. The honor and country for which these men sacrificed was a country that abhorred abortion, that abhorred human predation, which is why they traveled half way around the world to risk all that they had and all that they were, to risk their very lives to end the predation that they watched unfold in the decade leading up to WWII.
They sacrificed for all that America stood for, and knowing so very many old vets, I can honestly say that abortion was part of what they find hateful about what we have become. It’s vile predatory nature, and it’s widespread embrace is part of what these noble old men regard as a betrayal of the trust they had with this nation when they went off to war.
They sacrificed for freedom, not license.
For responsibility and duty, not narcissism and self-indulgence.
And my friends who wear the uniform today feel the very same way. This post was actually quite appropriate for the day, because we are all less noble for having witnessed the slaughter of 53 million of our own citizens, who have died by our own hand.
Think about that, and juxtapose it with the horror these WWII vets had when they discovered that Hitler had murdered 14 million people in his camps.
That’s the essence of the betrayal that we have committed, the breaking of faith with these vets and with the men and women who never came home.
Gerard, I have monumental respect for our service men and women. I am saddened when they fall and my partner and I observe a few seconds of silence and thought for each one.
In the course of my work I deal with numerous military personnel, both in their professional capacity and on a personal basis. These include present members as well as those from Vietnam and a few from World War 2.
I hear from them that they fight for freedom, they fight against tyranny and that they fight so we can be free and not subject to the whims of those who would limit our liberty and our choices.
I have never, ever heard any of them say they do what they do, or did what they did because they are against abortion. Or for it either. Abortion is not a consideration in the reasons for what they do.
“They sacrificed for honor, for country, and for the man next to themselves.” – yes they did.
“The honor and country for which these men sacrificed was a country that abhorred abortion” – no, it was a country where some abhorred abortion; others didn’t, to the extent that it became legal.
“I can honestly say that abortion was part of what they find hateful” – and I can honestly say the opposite.
“It’s vile predatory nature” – just plain subjective.
I am sure that there are military personnel who detest abortion. I know that there are military personnel who detest attempts to remove the choice of abortion from womens’ rights.
I am also sure that all military personnel fight for freedom, liberty and against tyranny. What those freedoms, liberties and anti-tyranny(sic) involve is a social and political matter, not a military one.
I would not cite pro-choice military personnel as ‘fighting for abortion’. What are you doing?
“It’s vile predatory nature” – just plain subjective.
Until you are the one being hacked to pieces.
yes, look I know atheists have baby eating feasts but women don’t have abortions so that they can eat their young
Kay
Because of the sacrifice and sacrifices of our soldiers we have the liberty to express our views. And what better day than Memorial Day to remember all the little soldiers who were killed because they were perceived as the enemy. And who held this perception was it an enemy on foreign shores. No it was there own mothers, their own communities and their own nation. Thus own Memorial Day or anyday we choose we have the right to remember their deaths as well. Sorry if this somehow inconveniences you. And your indignation falls kind of flat. Theatrics at least good theatrics you have to possess at least a degree of credibility. People who have little or no compassion for the unborn don’t determine what I say I do. Aside from that I hope you had a very nice Memorial Day.
“The men who put on the uniform did not do so to allow 50 million abortions….”
My father put on a uniform many years ago, and he, a retired pediatrican, is more pro-choice than I am. He does not even acknowledge, as I do, that there are principled reasons to be pro-life. He would dismiss any anti-abortion discussion as “nonsense.”
Wow, three, count ’em, three pro-abortion trolls are spending their Memorial day musings looking for pro-life people to argue with
because they can’t even take a day off from wanting to be able to kill the innocent…
Indeed.
A retired pediatrician believes it’s ok to dismember babies. It’s a scary world folks!
My father put on a uniform many years ago, and he, a retired pediatrican, is more pro-choice than I am.
You’re either pro-choice or you are not Hal. You can’t be a little bit pregnant either.
He would dismiss any anti-abortion discussion as “nonsense.”
This explains a lot about your mindset. It is okay to question the beliefs our parents raised us with and maybe it’s time you do so.
Ok, is it too politically incorrect to joke:
“So, your father is more pro-choice than you. But, obviously, not quite pro-choice enough…”
Just kidding! Just kidding, Hal!! ;>) !
uh-oh! ;)
Praxedes, I question quite a bit of what my parents believe. Just ask them ;)
In fact, I never knew my father was pro-choice until relatively recently. It just never came up in conversation. In the few times it has in the last few years, I was a bit surprised to hear him express an attitude of basically “you’d have to be nuts to want to outlaw abortion.” I say he’s more prochoice that I am only because I can see the argument you guys are making, and I can respect it, even if I don’t agree. My father, on the other hand, can’t even muster some respect for your position. You are right, though, that there is no practical difference.
ninek, ha ha. No offense taken.
Perhaps the son got it from the father. At some point, you need to reconcile with your history, Hal.
Plenty of our servicemen and women have been and are are pro-choice. They no more want the freedom that women have taken away than they want any of our freedoms taken away, be it by an enemy or our own government.
Gerard, what do you mean “reconcile with your history?”
Pro-choicers have as much respect for our miltary as do anti-choicers ninek.
The question is, why was it necessary to hijack memorial day with statements such as “They did not sacrifice their lives to allow 50 million abortions” when this is patently untrue?
As I said earlier, the military is not an exclusively anti-choice organization. It reflects the same spectrum of views as society at large. Some are pro-choice, some are anti-choice. Some members have had or will have abortions, some don’t and won’t.
None of them ‘fight’ for either side of the abortion debate, they fight for the freedom of our society to decide for itself how it operates.
I am only going to say this once… What our soldiers are defending is Freedom and Democracy. They are defending our rights as US citizens, even the ones you don’t like!
My best friend is not over there right now to defend your ideals, he is there to defend your right to have your own ideals. He is very Pro-Choice as is the rest of his family. Only on this blog would this self-centered assertion even be made.
My father put on a uniform many years ago, and he, a retired pediatrican
Hal- This just scares the crap out of me that a pdiatrician (someone who looks at children) would be more pro-choice/pro-abort than you. Shakes me to the core. Just another reason to be grateful for the doctors I have!
“I am only going to say this once… What our soldiers are defending is Freedom and Democracy”
These words were spoken by every white person in the Confederate States of America during the Civil War. These soldiers were off defending the right to own slaves, as articulated by the Supreme Court of the nation from which they seceded. I’m sure that you have no moral qualms about whites having the freedom within a democracy of owning blacks as slaves, just so long as it’s a legally protected choice.
I’m sure, too, that you have no qualms about whites exercising their rights to not have to endure looking at blacks at the same lunch counter, or drink from the same water fountain, just so long as they have the freedom within a democracy (Plessy v. Ferguson) to enact and enforce such laws.
I’m sure that you have no problem with the forced sterilizations of the developmentally disabled (Buck v. Bell), just so long as that’s a protected choice as well.
I’m sure that you have no problems with the incarcerations of ethnic-Americans for the crime of being ethnic-Americans (Koramatsu v. U.S.), just so long as that’s legal too.
I’ll bet your friends are off fighting for all of those freedoms as well.
I’m glad you’re only going to say that once, LittleZ. It keeps you from looking foolish more than once.
Sure, there are soldiers who support abortion. There are also soldiers who drive drunk and frequent stip clubs (and do much worse things than that). There are all kinds of people from all walks of life in the military. And some of them do/support things that embarass the tar out of the rest of us.
Biggz, I’m only going to say this once. Abortion is not “freedom” or a “right”. It’s a tragedy. And my husband doesn’t put his life on the line for it. Period. He would be appalled to hear you say such a thing.
Mother in Texas, it may scare you, but it shouldn’t surprise you. I know many people want to divide the world into good guys and bad guys, but there is room for honest disagreement on the morality of abortion.
While I think it’s a tragedy that 56 million babies have been killed, I’m not sure it’s appropriate to say that that’s not what our servicemen and women fight for.
I mean, I support our troops and I have friends and family (including ancestors) who are in the military and most of them are pro-life. But I also know soldiers who are not, and, as Army_wife said, there are plenty of them who do horrible things and bring shame to many who proudly serve.
Hal says:
June 1, 2011 at 11:18 am
Mother in Texas, it may scare you, but it shouldn’t surprise you. I know many people want to divide the world into good guys and bad guys, but there is room for honest disagreement on the morality of abortion.
I do believe many of you sincerely want to help women and some even really believe providing abortions is the way to do it. But, the information the pro-choice/pro-abort side provides is often flawed in reference to fetal development I read a pregnancy guide by a female medical doctor, so it’s not like I don’t know what goes on inside the womb, but some women honestly don’t and I believe you all do those women a disservice by being vague and minimizing what happens in an abortion). I most sincerely believe (and know) there ARE other ways to help women. It doesn’t have to be abortion. I’m well aware of your thoughts on the matter having read several of your posts, but I feel like it’s a real disservice towards women. No, not every woman wants to be a mom and not every woman is cut out to be a mother, yet does the solution to the situation HAVE to be abortion? Why does that have to be the answer you all champion? Why can’t it be adoption? Why can’t it be abstainence and chastity? Just because some people won’t be abstainent or chaste? So we throw out the whole idea just because some people won’t? Those things are some of the reasons I have a problem with the pro-choice/pro-abort side along with advocating abortion it’s the discounting of any other alternative that just makes me burst into tears sometimes.
You see…I have been discounted just because I wasn’t like everyone else. So people being discounted just ’cause someone says they aren’t really alive or really human breaks my heart.
Why should pre-born humans have to be treated like sub-human beings just because they look different? Or just because they happen to still be located in the womb?
I know the reasons women have abortions. I don’t agree with them, but I know them. I do understand fear, having faced it in my life, but there have been people who faced down fear who are willing to help. There’s so many resources that aren’t abortion out there for women. They just have to be willing to grab them.
(I also know that not every fear is worth giving into. There are some fears that are NOT worth giving into and those fears one faces down and wins against are some of what teaches a person about courage).