Stanek weekend question: Is it ok to boo Barack and Michelle Obama?
When I spotted the new cover of Reader’s Digest in the check-out line at the store last night, I almost gagged…
The hypocrisy is breathtaking. “Everything we must do must be for our children”?
This said by the woman who made a fundraising appeal on her husband’s behalf in support of partial birth abortion, which she called “a legitimate medical procedure.”
Yes, Michelle Obama attempted to raise money for Barack Obama’s 2004 U.S. Senate campaign on a procedure where the abortionist stabs the back of the neck of a half-delivered, late-term baby, suctions his brains out, and crushes his skull with forceps.
And she is the epitome of “family values”? But there’s more, quoting from the article:
In the end, how I view the future that I want for my children, the kind of passion I have for that, carries over into my desire for every child. We have to fight for that normalcy, we have to fight to ensure that everything we do is not for us but for the next generation.
Would that be the “next generation” you support murdering, Michelle?
I honestly don’t know how I would react if faced with the prospect of meeting Michelle Obama.
Two weeks ago NASCAR fans made news for booing her…
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NASCAR fans booed for a variety of reasons. They have little to no ideology in common with our current president and his wife.
But on our topic, what do you think? Is maintaining proper etiquette for the office of the presidency more important than expressing disapproval for the Obamas’ support of abortion and infanticide?
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
You can let them know that you strongly disagree with their position and even ask them to reconsider their beliefs without being disrespectful. They’re still our leaders and we should honor them.
No, it would not be a good Christian witness to ‘boo’ the Obamas in public. Jesus would not do it to any sinner – and we are all sinners of varying degress. It’s just that some of us are saved, again through no doing of our own. LL
Yes. I think it’s totally OK to boo them. They’re BOTH a disgrace to the office of POTUS. Her statements that you quoted are proof positive that they’re both hypocrites. The sooner he’s out of office, the better.
Is maintaining proper etiquette for the office of the presidency more important than expressing disapproval for the Obamas’ support of abortion and infanticide?
Heck no! Boooooooooooooooooooooooo!! Booooooooooooooooooo!! (and I hate NASCAR).
You can let them know that you strongly disagree with their position and even ask them to reconsider their beliefs without being disrespectful.
They already know many people strongly disagree with their support of killing humans and they have been asked to reconsider. Respect has to be earned and they have not earned mine so Boooooooooooooooooo to the Obamas.
Jesus would not do it to any sinner – and we are all sinners of varying degress.
IMHO, the booing is Christian NASCAR fans turning over a few tables.
Wrong, Laura.
Jesus would have been the first one to boo both of them for the evil they promote and he would expect US to do likewise and expose them for it.
“Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s…”
If we are guests at an official function, we must show proper respect to our hosts. For example, it would be coarsely rude to boo the candidates at a political debate or officials at a press conference. We must respect their official capacities and their need to speak officially.
BUT… when a celebrity personality shows up as the guest at a NASCAR event — just looking for a photo-op, I suppose — then the celebrity had better be prepared to suffer the crowd’s opinion.
Don’t boo at what Michelle Obama says. Just go icy, stone cold silent.
A lot of people might disagree, but the proper response (instead of booing) is to simply put Reader’s Digest and these other propaganda machines out of business. Don’t buy their products, or anything from their advertisers.
Journalism has practically ceased to exist, because many writers refuse to balance out their writing for fear they’ll be locked out by a potential interviewee. By failing to place a higher value on the moral integrity of telling a complete and compelling story about family values instead of cow-towing to celebrity tells us a lot more about what the journalist (and their editor) really values – which has nothing to do with real family values.
If I were to meet Barack and Michelle Obama, my words would be something like this:
“Given your stature and authority in this world, when you come before the throne of Jesus Christ, what will you say?
God makes vessels for both noble and ignoble purposes. I have every reason to believe, given your lack of mercy and compassion that you have no clue about your true purpose. Don’t give me a response – I’m not expecting truth from you.
Good day, Mr. and Mrs. Obama.”
On an emotional level the degree of civil disobedience or lack of proper etiquette is usually proportional to the sin/wrong that the “civil” leader has done. In this case, the wrong is atrocious so the response by the NASCAR crowd was, in fact, too polite. If it were permitted (ideally) they should have arrested Ms. Obama for her complicity in supporting her husband’s stance on abortion. How many children have to die so that she can hold on to her cherished delusion that women can control their bodies, their reproductive systems? If she her or husband were arrested and were forced to feel the weight of the legal system against them, they might not be so punch-happy to use the law to persecute pro-lifers and deprive them of conscience clauses and their livelihood. These two individuals need to get real. The President’s pursuit of his legal career has blinded him to the harms that can be perpetrated by a draconian legal system. The President has lost his faith in God’s justice and has resorted entirely to Man’s justice – a blindness the American people, the people of the world, cannot afford. Without God or a belief in him, Man’s justice tends to omit Mercy.
what did the libs say about obama? “not my president.” so booooooooooooo!
The one question I would like to ask President Obama is:
“Do you think Jesus loves the unborn?”
I wonder what one liner he would retort when asked this question. Is this question also beyond his pay grade? (I think I would have to make it clear to the President that this question is not asking him at which point in time do you think Jesus begins to love the unborn. The question requires only a yes or no response.)
I would like to propose this question to all the Christian denominations that support abortion. How do these denominations honestly think Jesus would answer?
Tyler< I’ve actually had that very discussion with a female Episcopal priest who, except for this plank in the eye, is a rather lovely woman. She said Jesus would understand why some moms aren;t ready to be mothers AND she would challenge all of us who are prolife to provide better (i.e., more government funding) to the poor mothers so they could choose to have their babies.
In other words, the same nonsensical drivel. No real answer at all.
You couldn’t ask Obama a question out in PUBLIC…no teleprompters! ;)
Booing in general, no. Decent people need to be polite to everyone.
But if either Obama were to make an outrageous offensive statement before a largely Christian audience, booing is a natural response, and a way to give feedback.
I think booing at sporting events is fine. But booing somebody just in general?
Should we boo Newt, Cain, or J Edwards and their womanizing ways?
Should we boo Bush or Perry because they believe their state should kill people?
Should we boo Bachmann because she believes in torturing people?
Look, we could boo ANY politician or ANY citizen – I haven’t found one in modern times that walk blameless.
Look, we could boo ANY politician or ANY citizen – I haven’t found one in modern times that walk blameless.
Right you are, Ex-GOP. There will always be some people who want to boo this or that politician, and there will always be some people who just want to boo somebody, somewhere….
Decent people need to be polite to everyone.
Decent people don’t support killing humans.
GOP, Should people have booed Hitler? Those who saw Hitler for what he was and where he planning to go? After he became so powerful, of course, you’re life would be in danger for booing him.
Freedom of speech. Boo!
Tyler – kind of a dumb question – of course Jesus loves the unborn – Jesus also loves death penalty criminals, Iraqi citizens, Iranians, the homosexual community – Jesus loves everyone. The question comes down to what do we allow in regards to our laws. In all sorts of situations, we’ve declared that it is okay to kill another person. Also, it is clear that the American public says that a baby conceived 2 minutes ago does not have full protection under the law. The public also says that a baby that is 2 minutes away from being born generally does have full protection under the law. Where the line is drawn though – at what point in the middle does this transition take place -that is a shifty line in regards to public policy.
As a Christian, I hate that people have affairs – though I wouldn’t criminalize them and throw people in prison if they have affairs.
As a Christian, I have abortions – and if I ran the world, abortions wouldn’t exist.
But it gets a little tiring to continue to see this rant take place…”oh, Obama’s so bad because his politically allows these things to happen while these other folks are so good, even though they are out screwing around with other women or mocking somebody who’s about to be executed”.
Gets old.
Ex–
The babies who are getting killed haven’t been conceived 2 minutes ago.
I would say it’s perfectly fine when it makes sense to do so. If Obama/Obama had just said something egregiously pro-abortion, frex, would be a good time to boo. The NASCAR boos, while they are amusing in their way, are also pretty random and that makes them sort of mean-spirited. I mean, yes, Michelle Obama isn’t exactly someone who really meshes with the NASCAR fans, but then again, neither am I and I’m pretty conservative. So, as with a lot of things, it would depend on the circumstances.
And there’s an operant condition thing about using specific punishers for specific actions that would be somewhat relevant, but is also somewhat long, so I’ll leave that, I think. :D
Courtnay -
I think you need to read the post over again.
Alice: I mean, yes, Michelle Obama isn’t exactly someone who really meshes with the NASCAR fans, but then again, neither am I and I’m pretty conservative. So, as with a lot of things, it would depend on the circumstances.
I wonder if Larry the Cable Guy would make any difference? ;)
The question you should be asking yourself is more along the lines of “does it reflect well on me and my beliefs to boo the President (and his family) when they’re enjoying a social outing?”
It’s not a question of whether it’s “okay” or not–it’s a form of protected speech and the risk of being booed or otherwise disapproved of by the public comes with the territory. I’m dumbfounded by some of the things people here think are effective means of political expression.
Joan, you mean like when they burned President Bush in effigy?
What does that have to do with anything I said?
I would boo judiciously. If I was a relative of a serviceman in the audience when he referred to a Hatian-American as a “corpseman” (and assuming he wasn’t making a bigoted crack about zombies :) ) I would have at least groaned very audibly.
A Commander-in-Chief so out of touch with our culture that he can’t pronounce “Corps” is inexcusible. And since I couldn’t boo all those who voted for him, he would have to do.
Only when they do or say something wrong should they be reacted to. Otherwise the audience can’t be on your side.
Barack Obama (B.O.) stands for boo. It must be a sign from God that it is o.k. (Joking) Actually, I probably wouldn’t do it because the dictator – in – Chief would lock me up & throw away the key, “Report everyone who disagrees with Obamacare to the white house” Remember? Finally, lets have some good news for a change. go to Youtube to see a brand new video called,, “Dozens of Students Converted to Pro-life” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOgeHtQqYTg&feature=email&email=comment_received
“Is maintaining proper etiquette for the office of the presidency more important than expressing disapproval for the Obamas’ support of abortion and infanticide?”
Scripture is very clear on how believers are to respond to our leaders:
I urge … that requests, prayers, intercession, and thanksgiving be made for everyone — for kings and all those in authority. 1 Timothy 2:1:2
You shall not revile God, nor curse a ruler of your people. Exodus 22:28
Curse not the king, no not in thy thought; and curse not the rich in thy bedchamber. Eccl. 10:20
The biblical view regarding proper treatment of governing officials is founded on the truth contained in Romans 13:1: “Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.” Accomplishing His will through a variety of physical means, God ordains people into worldly offices. All power comes from Him. (See also Daniel 4:17.)
The passage in Romans 13 shows that God judges those who resist the leader He has installed (verse 2). A Bible-believer’s duty, then, is to submit to authorities and respect their physical offices. It is a form of submitting to and respecting God Himself. One who follows the Bible should be a model citizen. (If a human command conflicts with God’s law, however, we must obey God—and then submit to the punishment; Acts 5:29.)
These thoughts from Joel Hilliker (written in January, 2009) at http://www.thetrumpet.com/?q=5870.4232.0.0
Except, Frebus, I love God and he is my LORD. So I have no problem submitting to him.
You cannot make the claim that God ordains all leaders to power. Submit to Khaddafi? Suubmit to Idi Amin? Submit to Stalin?
No, we have to use our brains and judgment. Any man who can watch a video of a partial birth abortion and still vote for it is someone I boo and run away from.
Ex-Gop
It is a dumb question if one passes over the small detail of who is being asked the question. His answers should be listened to carefully.
Ex-GOP you don’t kill the people Jesus loves.
Ex-GOP do you believe in God or do you believe in Politics?
Do you remember who comes first? (If not read the first commandment again.)
Adultery is not the same level of sin as murder.
Public policy is not the same as God’s mercy and love. If it is easy for to understand this, shouldn’t it be easy for the President to understand his responsibility?
Make abortions illegal.
Rick Santorum is not running around… and he has not had an affair, as far as I know. What is your beef with Rick Santorum? Will you become Ex-Ex-GOP and support Rick Santorum?
Ex-GOP
Jesus loves sinners but he wants them to repent.
Now on the human level (which does not/cannot live up to God’s standard):
We kill people in wars to defend ourselves. And we execute people for murdering for the wrongs they commit, and to protect ourselves and our neighbors from future harm.
What exactly has the unborn done to deserve death? What threat does the unborn present to the rest of humanity?
Proportionality in punishment… a legal concept not examined enough.
Frebus, Now you have caused me to think and pray. Dang it! I hate being wrong (and thinking and praying have never been my strong suites either). And I so want to boo the Obamas!
Frebus,
You forget that the US is a Democracy and that the Power/Authority rests with the People. So you have it backwards. The President needs to respect the office of the NASCAR crowd. Barrack Obama is not submitting to their authority.
Booing is showing their view that he should leave his office. It is restrained.
Barrack has not understood the parable of the Good Samaritan. Barrack needs to care for the unborn, the children, the very People who are his Authority!!!!
Frebus, thank-you. You have made it clear that the Left has lost all sight of who is in charge and why one should no longer be a democrat.
In fact, in a Democracy shouldn’t the support of abortion be considered a form of treason?
Booing is showing their view that he should leave his office. It is restrained.
Okay Tyler and Courtnay. My thinking and prayer session are over. I’m back to booing the Obamas. (:
oh shoot major typo above….what did liberals say about bush……not my president. so booooooo to the obamas.
I despise her politics, but I would not boo her. Nor her husband, for that matter. And I really despise his politics.
Although I have to wonder: what was she doing at a NASCAR event anyway? Wouldn’t an appearance on The View be more consistent?
Proverbs 31:6 & 7
Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.
Tyler – the US is not a democracy.
A democracy is a mob.
We are a constitutional republic.
In Ephesians it says to have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, rather rebuke them. Boo is a rebuke. In a public setting it’s sort and to the point. No confusion.
jo i like that! @ mods please delete my comment about obama upstream as it was a typo
Dissing the opposition is the American Way, which extends all the way back to the gestation period of the United States.
Dissing was harsher long ago, sometimes ending in duels. It’s usually a lot tamer now.
hey if you are out in the public eye its all fair game. sarah palin took a lot of heat. people wished death upon her and said trig should have been aborted. the dixie chicks said “we are ashamed to be from texas because george bush is from texas.” and on and on. whats a little booing?
and booing someone isnt personal. if barack and michelle were pro life id be happy that they were in office…..but its because they are so pro abortion i just cant and wont get behind them. just like the supreme court keeping abortion legal. they have the blood of innocent babies on their hands!
Chris: A democracy is a mob.
True, but just think if, for a little while, we let “mob rule” hold sway, and if that mob was the NASCAR crowd. ;)
BOOOOOO!!!! to all t hose heinious barbarians who are dedicated to the cause of “choice to kill the unborn”.
True, but just think if, for a little while, we let “mob rule” hold sway, and if that mob was the NASCAR crowd.
Other than a lot more drinking what else would change?
Good grief: is it a terrible problem that I’m reading a thread about such a somber topic, and laughing so much at the comments? :)
We had better boo them before Obama punishes us for doing so if he steals the next election. Don’t put anything past these people. Obama has lied so often, he’s the most dangerous politician ever to step foot in Congress, let alone the White House.
I normally think that Michelle Obama is very pretty – but this picture is creeping me outtttt.
I think that she and her husband are great parents to their daughters, so I do think that they have family values.
I just wish one of those values was pro-life…
Tyler and Chris: We are a Democratic Republic
I think that she and her husband are great parents to their daughters, so I do think that they have family values.
If you are pro-legal-abortion, you do not have family values. You are not a “great parent” to your children, because you would’ve found it acceptable for you to kill them as long as they were young enough. That’s not good parenting. Ever. Allowing your kids to live does not make you a good parent if you think it should’ve been acceptable to kill them. Pro-legal-abortion and good parenting are mutually exclusive.
“just think if, for a little while, we let “mob rule” hold sway, and if that mob was the NASCAR crowd.”
Truthseeker: Other than a lot more drinking what else would change?
Restrictor plates would be outlawed.
Mullets would be back in style.
Larry the Cable Guy would be leading Mitt, Newt, and Ron Paul.
I disagree strongly,xalisae.
My niece’s mother is pro-abortion and she is an AMAZING mother who loves all of her family, me, and my niece very much.
Clearly, she, the Obamas, and all other pro-aborts have been fooled into thinking abortion is acceptable when it is not - but I have faith that some day they will see their wrongs, take up their cross, and join us in the good fight.
I know that some on this page, like Carla, used to be pro-choice and/or have had abortions – are you saying that they are not good parents? You might say “Well that was before they had kids, now they’ve changed their minds.” But that’s not always true – some people have kids, then abort others, and still come to the pro-life side later.
Do you not have anyone in your life that you love who is pro-abortion?
Friends? Family? Co-workers?
Are they bad people? Are they bad parents? Bad friends? Bad siblings? etc…
There are bad people out there who created this culture of abortion and who feed into it.
I think the Obamas have been fooled greatly by this culture – and also by greed and power.
If anything – that is their greatest fault – they side with PP and other abortion franchises because they is where the power and money is right now. If Obama came about saying he was pro-life - all of those supporters would go to another democrat candidate.
They are very VERY wrong to put government and politics above their faith in Christ and the lives of innocents…
But does that change the way they feel about and treat their daughters?
A pregame update:
A constitutional republic is a form of a representative democracy. It is not a pure democracy. Minority rights are protected due to the constitution. However, the constitution is (to borrow President Clinton’s favorite word) ultimately determined by the People and, as such, can be amended by them. Even the judiciary is determined by the People, albeit in a indirect fashion through the election of the President by the People.
Broncos did well today.
Now back to the Game.
Amber – do you think it is good parenting when parents teach their children that is acceptable to kill the pre born?
Clearly I am against abortion and would love it for the whole world to be as well.
But when my niece falls, her mother kisses her boo boo.
She makes her dinner.
She teaches her songs, reads her books, runs in the yard with her.
She brings her to visit me and sends family photos to our relatives who live far away.
She sets up play dates with their friends’ children and let the kids run around and play with their toys.
She has two cats and loves my brother and their little family dearly.
She loves her two brothers, her mother, her brother’s wife.
When any of us are in trouble or in need she’s there to help us and vice versa.
So yes, I thinks he has family values.
And I think that anyone who would say otherwise needs to take a look at their own family values.
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“But when my niece falls, her mother kisses her boo boo.She makes her dinner.She teaches her songs, reads her books, runs in the yard with her.She brings her to visit me and sends family photos to our relatives who live far away.She sets up play dates with their friends’ children and let the kids run around and play with their toys.She has two cats and loves my brother and their little family dearly.She loves her two brothers, her mother, her brother’s wife.”
Amber,
The list shows that this Mother has concern/love for her children. These actions of the Mother model that she values socialization, literacy, physical well-being, material possessions, and domesticated animals. These are nice values but they do not constitute a complete list of every family value. (I realize your list was not meant to be exhaustive.)
Here some other values/virtues the above list omits: sanctity of human life, chastity, honesty, piety, prudence, faith, hope, prudence, temperance, justice, and fortitude.
Ms. Obama may well be a decent of enough lady but it is really hard to believe that she is entirely decent (who is?) if she can wrap her mind around and support killing babies. I am absolutely certain Ms. Obama thinks she is a great Mom and I am sure society and the Media are telling her she is doing an excellent job. I may not do as many things on the list you mentioned (money being an obstacle for some) but I hope, one day, I can teach my family to not kill their offspring.
I agree that those values are things we should also cherish.
But I strongly disagree that anyone who is pro-abortion cannot possibly be a good family member. That is rediculous and cruel and will never change anyone’s mind to pro-life.
michelle and barack have 2 girls. i dont think its proper to tell your daughters ” i want you to be able to kill our grandchildren if it isnt a good time.” i know a few girls who had abortions and were quick to say “well my mom had one.” that doesnt make it okay. but as amber has said many post abortive mothers make great mothers but these are generally the women who have repented. if you are going to tell your kids “an abortion is okay” then you are not a good mom!
I agree with the first bit, Heather.
I truely wish that I could sit down with the Obamas and those like them and show them how flawed their thinking is, espeically because they claim to be practicing Christians.
How knows – maybe it will be their daughters who change thier minds about abortion - the younger generation today seems a lot more pro-life than the older generation – as they are far from the 1960s, 70s, 80s, and 90s which fueled this way of thinking.
I’d like to know what posters to this blog — and Jill herself if that’s possible — think about Michelle Obama’s campaign against childhood obesity.
Denise – well, as I’ve said in earlier posts, despite pro-abortion views, I think there is some good in Michelle – and I like her commercails I’ve seen on Nick, Disney, etc. encouraging kids to get out and join sports, play outside, etc. Why not?
i personally dont have a problem with michelles fight on obesity but its too bad that shes more.concerned with obese kids then dead kids.
It makes precious little difference that she is touting her obesity campaign when she supports something as heinous as partial birth abortion!!!
Those same obese children could have had their skull crushed and their brain sucked out before birth and she would have applauded the “reproductive freedom” the moms enjoyed!!
She calls evil good. Her and Barack are a perfect couple. And I wouldn’t boo them.
Obesity can lead to death. It is strongly connected with diabetes, heart disease, and other problems that can lead to death.
Why is there so very much obesity these days? I think there are several reasons. One is suburbanization: as the suburbs spread, so do our waistlines. People drive or are driven everywhere as suburbanization tends to discourage walking. We all have a natural sweet tooth because fruits are sweet in nature — and they are good for us. But we have learned to make candies and other things that are even sweeter — and contain many calories so that we put on the pounds.
There may be a connection, albeit a minor one, between obesity and problem pregnancies. Fat people, especially fat young people, often get picked on. Girls who get picked on because they are fat are likely to be starved (ironic word) for affection, approval, and nurturance. The gratitude they have to boys and men who give them these things can lead to sexual activity and pregnancies.
When I heard my own mother say, “So-and-so is pregnant. Her foster mother wishes she’d never taken her in. She’s been such a disappointment,” I recognized that the girl was “easy prey” because she was pudgy and plain.
Barbara LoFrumento, who had an abortion when it was illegal and whose body was infamously chopped up into pieces, was 17 years old and fat. Her weight may have contributed to her responding to a boy or man who pretended to think she was attractive.
Again, there is a connection between extreme obesity per se and death. There may also be one between it and problem pregnancies.
Agreed Denise – I can see a connection between obesity and other problems, including abortion.
I’ve always been overweight – not exactly obese, but you know, I was that “chubby” kid in school – since the age of 5 – and it is really really tough to get away from. When you’re the kid who is picked on, etc, it just makes you more depressed, eat more, etc. and by the time you’re a busy adult – it’s hard to get rid of the weight.
I wish people had cared more about obesity when I was a kid. I thank God that I am not badly over weight, as I have seen some loved ones and people in my town struggle with it and the health problems that come with it – diabetes, knee issues, having to use a wheel chair, heart attacks at young ages, etc.
Slowly working on trying to thin myself down in a healthy way to a healthy weight – not the ideal super skinny celeb weight, but a nice normal, curvy, healthy weight haha :)
When will any pro-abortion believing person start to understand that we (they) can’t do squat for “the next generation” or “for the kids” when they’re killing them! But to answer the question… as President Bush said in regards to the Dixie Chicks… “They have the right to freedom of speech. They can say what they want, but then they should respect the fact that others have that same freedom and will use those freedoms accordingly.” (paraphrased but I’m sure you get the point) So if the Obama’s get booed, what the hell do they expect? I respect the OFFICE of the Presidency, but as for the person? There is no one on this earth that can force me to respect such a POS. I would never embarrass myself by acting immature or uncivilized towards them if I came across them at an event, but don’t expect me to be warm and inviting. I like what someone said above… be stone cold silent.
I registered with a party when I registered to vote, but I’ve always been disappointed with both parties, Democrat and Republican. They’re both full of career politicians who don’t really care about voters beyond using them to get elected. That being said, I was no big huge fan of the Bushes but I was shocked all through W’s presidency by the things I heard and saw. Friends of mine that profess to be against the death penalty and war would frequently say that our president should be assassinated. The hypocrisy was huge!! One gal wrote such horrible things against Bush on her website, I’m suprised she never got a visit from Homeland Security. Would it be a further shock to know that the hypocrites were also pro-choice? That’s right, don’t kill criminals or war-time combatants, but presidents and developing children, sure!
(Personally, I don’t support the death penalty, but at least criminals get legal representation, unlike the millions of babies killed.)
So, the question is: is it ok to boo the Obamas? Yes, it’s not nice, but it’s free expression, and a lot more polite than all that anti-Bush garbage that I had to listen to for 8 years. In fact, the boo-ing provides a nice balance to all the sycophantic-praises-for-nothing that saturated the media since Obama’s first campaign began. If you can’t stand the boos, stay home and listen to your minions say ‘yes’ to you all day.
Do you not have anyone in your life that you love who is pro-abortion?
Friends? Family? Co-workers?
No, not really. I try not to associate with people who think it’s ok for parents to have their children executed and that that act constitutes “health care”. If they think that kind of treatment of an innocent is acceptable, I would hate to think of what they might think is acceptable treatment of me.
ok x, so if your mother, father, brother, sister, or child came to you and said they were pro-choice – you’d just stop talking to them????
First, I’d try to talk some sense into them and get them to see the horror of their position. If they refuse, then…
Yep.
xalisae says:
December 5, 2011 at 5:47 pm
First, I’d try to talk some sense into them and get them to see the horror of their position. If they refuse, then…
Yep.
(Denise) Would you disown your daughter if she had an abortion?
If she just believed abortion should be legal?
Among many of the people I know, abortion isn’t much of an issue for them personally. I don’t know that many teen girls or women in the primary fertile years well. The people I know well tend to be either gay men or women who are post-menopausal or sterile for some other reason.
However, many of the people who are most strongly in favor of criminalizing abortion who post here are also the parents of daughters. Problem pregnancies loom very large in the lives of daughters when they hit puberty.
Well then, xalisae, I’ll say again what I said before – I think you need to take a look at your own family values.
Take a look at my own family values:
Does not condone, endorse, or otherwise participate in the killing of any family members.
Check. Yep, my fundamentals are strong. Everything is in order here.
oops, you forgot to add “but will turn back on family members who do not agree with me.”
yeah, because this is just a matter of simple disagreement, and it’s not like family members are being killed or anything, right? It’s not like I’d disown my daughter for buying a tacky window treatment. Get real.
At least all my family members will be alive and intact if I have anything to say about it.
Denise, I can’t envision that happening, given my daughter’s history. I just cannot see her killing my grandchild-her child-after she learns of everything I went through when I was pregnant with her.
I don’t know X. I have done some seriously bad things, and if people who cared hadn’t been around to bring me to my senses I would probably be dead by now. We don’t save anyone by cutting people out and splitting our families apart.
“If they think that kind of treatment of an innocent is acceptable, I would hate to think of what they might think is acceptable treatment of me.”
This, coming from a woman who’d disown her daughter for having a worldview different from her mother’s. Interesting. I’m starting to think being pro-life is like having a get-out-of-jail-free card for bad parenting. Feeding the kids grilled cheese four nights a week? It’s ok–you “let” them be born! Cycling through abusive boyfriend after abusive boyfriend–who cares how damaged the kiddos get, you didn’t have an abortion! Gold star!
I don’t know X. I have done some seriously bad things, and if people who cared hadn’t been around to bring me to my senses I would probably be dead by now
Hence the part about me trying to talk some sense into them, first.
This, coming from a woman who’d disown her daughter for having a worldview different from her mother’s.
and to clarify once more, we’re not talking about “having a different worldview” from my own. I’m talking about killing or thinking that it would be acceptable to kill and should be legal to kill my grandchildren. That’s a whole different ballgame. I know YOU like to think it’s something as inconsequential as fiscal policy or immigration reform, but that’s just to comfort your seared conscience. You’re a sad person.
xalisae says:
December 5, 2011 at 8:11 pm
Denise, I can’t envision that happening, given my daughter’s history. I just cannot see her killing my grandchild-her child-after she learns of everything I went through when I was pregnant with her.
(Denise) It seems possible that knowing about that might actually SCARE her away from completing a pregnancy. I also hope she is certain that if she tells you she is pregnant when she is 12 or 13 that you won’t call her a “disappointment” or react with horror.
eh where to begin…..i totally agree with x ! i dont keep company with women who condone anything i loathe. yeah and dont people make some bad choices and mistakes in their lives? i sure have. you live you learn and you move on. i hate to break it to the “child by choice” people who believe marriage and college then kids. it will never be perfect when you finally have your “chosen ones” i do keep company with women who have repented of abortions though. my girlfriend is married and having an affair with a married man. being a person who has done the same i TELL HER…..you are heading down a path of total destruction. however i have distanced myself from her because she refuses to stop. i keep her in prayer. @ denise….i can see a point about the obesity issue. i guess im lucky. people call me the girl with the hollow leg. i have 4 kids and i still weigh the same as i did in high school. pretty much all of the women i knew who aborted did not have weight issues. self esteem…indeed. i know healthy girls with meat on the bones and they look just fine.
if michelle wants to fight obesity perhaps she should have tyra banks pull “top model” and then go after the fashion industry. you know the people who dont think olive oil was skinny enough???? in my opinion they are contributing to low self esteem in women. yes i hate to see anyone with weight problems teased. however why doesnt she go after the hollywood types who promote this? be thin thin thin? i believe with all my heart that food is an addiction. just like alcohol drugs sex addiction smoking. many say its like their drug of choice. i dont know what to tell people about obesity because i will never be obese. its not in my genetic make up to be. advise? cook at home. exercise. avoid alcohol. eat salads. *shrugs* and above all just stop stop stop buying hi fashion mags. to heck with people who set the standards for the ideal weight. i also know plenty of people who get to the gym…and water. lots of water!;) okay im shutting up now. just my 2 cents.
heck and then you would have to go after the fast food chains….but back to what carla said….well put! anyone who supports abortion the way michelle does i shall agree it sickens me. very well said;)
X – I’m not a sad person – because I’ve got loving family around me.
I in no way relate abortion to soething minute – but sadly, most of the world does – and we have to keep that in mind. Until our culture changes we cannot outcast people for their different point of view – or that culture will never change. We need to embrace loved ones and help them to change – not just for a moment, but for as long as it takes.
If I only had friends who were like myself (views, religion, politics, etc.), then I wouldn’t have any friends.
heather says:
December 6, 2011 at 6:23 am
if michelle wants to fight obesity perhaps she should have tyra banks pull “top model” and then go after the fashion industry. you know the people who dont think olive oil was skinny enough???? in my opinion they are contributing to low self esteem in women.
(Denise) It’s the high fashion mags aimed at women, not men’s mags like “Playboy,” that extol the hyper-thin look. The girls and women who diet themselves in anorexia must not be trying to attract boys and men since the latter are, in general, attracted to a healthier sort of weight. Could the hyper-skinny girls and women be making an attempt, as conservative critic Wendy Shalit believes, to “re-assert feminine modesty”? She thinks they might be unconsciously trying to diet away the breasts and hips that are over-exposed in contemporary culture.
I also hope she is certain that if she tells you she is pregnant when she is 12 or 13 that you won’t call her a “disappointment” or react with horror.
Of course I wouldn’t Denise. I’d extend the same understanding and compassion to her that I wish I would’ve had when I was pregnant with her myself. “Do unto others”, right?
That’s probably the biggest rule by which I live. I don’t think people understand that I don’t hold anyone else to any standard I don’t expect myself to set, first. Do I hold a very hard line when it comes to women who’ve aborted and think that’s fine or even a great thing that they did? ABSOLUTELY. But I would fully expect someone to treat me the same way, because that’s what I would deserve. I would hope to be treated that way, because in a civilized society, that is how people who kill their children should be looked upon. I look at my daughter, and think that if I had done anything to kill her when I was pregnant with her when the going got rough, I would DESERVE to be punished. I would DESERVE scorn. I certainly would.
I disagree profoundly with a few of my friends when it comes to things that are not as (literally) dire as abortion. Things that for the most part are a matter of opinion, I’m fine to let slide by and large. I might emphatically disagree and debate the topics, but there’s no personal element to it and pretty much no harm is done. But I don’t compromise about willingly taking the life of one’s child.
I’d rather have that ideal firmly intact than compromise it to keep the favor of family or retain friends. I’d rather have no friends than no ideals.
Amber Currie, the post you responded to from me was not initially intended for you. I was responding to Megan.
hi denise. i can tell you that my husband likes me with a few extra pounds. he always says ” i dont like to feel bones.” he likes kim kardashians body and beyonce.
Amber, I might be mistaken, but: I think X’s comment (to which you replied) was directed at Megan, not at you…
I’d rather have no friends than no ideals.
:) That seriously needs to be made into a bumper-sticker and/or t-shirt…
xalisae says:
December 6, 2011 at 11:37 am
I also hope she is certain that if she tells you she is pregnant when she is 12 or 13 that you won’t call her a “disappointment” or react with horror. Of course I wouldn’t Denise. I’d extend the same understanding and compassion to her that I wish I would’ve had when I was pregnant with her myself. “Do unto others”, right?That’s probably the biggest rule by which I live. I don’t think people understand that I don’t hold anyone else to any standard I don’t expect myself to set, first. Do I hold a very hard line when it comes to women who’ve aborted and think that’s fine or even a great thing that they did? ABSOLUTELY. But I would fully expect someone to treat me the same way, because that’s what I would deserve.
(Denise) You’ve said your pregnancy was medically very troubled. In a similar case, wouldn’t it be largely a medical judgment call — in the pre-legal abortion days — to decide whether or not the pregnant woman could carry to term?
If the pregnancy is especially troubled from a medical POV, there was always “legal abortion” if medical personnel believed that the pregnant female was physically unable to carry to term and live.
Of course, if the pregnancy was advanced, they might attempt a C-section.
[Bravo, Jill. Your blog is great! Saw this forthright article not long ago on the web.]
OBAMAS FULFILLING THE BIBLE
Emperor and Empress Obama (professional vacationers) can be found in the Old Testament! Read on:
Proverbs 19:10 (NIV): “It is not fitting for a fool to live in luxury – how much worse for a slave to rule over princes!”
Also Proverbs 30:22 (NIV) which says that the earth cannot bear up under “a servant who becomes king.”
And Ecclesiastes 5:2-3 (KJV) advises: “let thy words be few…a fool’s voice is known by multitude of words.”
Although Obama is not descended from slaves, he may feel that he’s destined to become a black-slavery avenger.
Or maybe an enslaver of all free citizens!
For some stunning info on Pres. Obama and his fellow traitors, Google “Imam Bloomberg’s Sharia Mosque,” “Michelle Obama’s Allah-day,” “Obama Supports Public Depravity,” “David Letterman’s Hate Etc.,” “Un-Americans Fight Franklin Graham” and also “Sandra Bernhard, Larry David, Kathy Griffin, Bill Maher, Joan Rivers, Sarah Silverman.” Also Google “Prof. F. N. Lee’s ISLAM IN THE BIBLE [PDF].”
PS – Since Christians are commanded to ask God to send severe judgment on persons who commit and support the worst forms of evil (see I Cor. 5 and note “taken away”), Christians everywhere should constantly pray that the Lord will soon “take away” or at least overthrow all US leaders (including subversive, America-hating, Jesus-bashing Hollywood shmucks) who continue to sear their conscience, who dangle every unspeakably filthy vice before young people, and who arrogantly trample the God-given rights of the majority including the rights of the unborn. Do we need a second American Revolution?
PPS – For a rare look at the 181-year-old endtime belief which has long neutralized millions of American patriots by promising them an “imminent rapture” off earth – which has diverted them away from being prepared to stand against all enemies, domestic as well as foreign – Google “Pretrib Rapture Politics,” “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty,” “Pretrib Rapture Diehards,” “Edward Irving is Unnerving,” “Pretrib Rapture Secrecy,” and “Pretrib Rapture – Hidden Facts” – all by the author of the bestselling nonfiction book “The Rapture Plot” (the most accurate and highly endorsed documentation on the pretrib rapture’s long-covered-up-but-now-revealed beginnings in Britain in 1830 – see Armageddon Books).