Lunch Break: Eclipse of Reason
by LauraLoo
This is the final abortion video featured this week, as we remember the anniversary of Roe v. Wade and Sanctity of Human Life Sunday.
Eclipse of Reason, produced 25 years ago in 1987 by the late Dr. Bernard Nathanson, is a gruesome video that features a preborn baby boy being killed via dilation and evacuation (D&E). His dismembered parts are pulled out of the woman (bloody female vaginal nudity shown), and the baby parts are laid out for viewing to ensure nothing is left behind which could cause infection.
I have watched this video dozens of times over the past 15 years and cry my heart out for this poor little boy.
D&E procedures are not as popular as they used to be. Jill has commented that the preferred method of late-term abortion nowadays is the induced labor abortion procedure, a two or three day process that involves dilating the cervix to deliver the preterm baby. The baby is either killed beforehand by lethal injection or anticipated to die during or shortly after birth.
WARNING: graphic.
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
“Abortion, all abortion is violence and violence is an impermissible alternative in a world of reason.”
Bernard Nathanson, Eclipse of Reason
God help us.
I own this video. Just to have it. But I can’t watch it. Once was enough. Poor little love. I know so many families who would have taken him and loved him. What agony did he suffer? And his crime? Existing in a country that champions “choice” when it comes to the lives of children.
Where is CC? Reality? joan? Duck???
<<<crickets>>>
I can’t even click on it. My heart breaks just thinking about it.
I’ve seen a few videos of gory medical procedures over the years.
And then you wonder why some people accuse you of things like ‘fetus porn’.
Reality,
How is life working for your father, the devil?
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and we wonder why people like Paul Hill do what they do. Who are the sane people? Paul Hill or us cowards?
The cowards are people who DON’T shoot other people to “stop the violence”? Nice thought process there, Jasper.
The devil is merely a figment of some peoples imaginations Jasper.
I am self-employed.
I think that being flight director for NASA Mission Control Center is quite sane!
He’s just saying what a lot of this site’s readers already believe but are smart enough to keep to themselves.
Like most any countercultural political movement, the anti-abortion movement has a latent disposition towards violence that is always there but only occasionally bubbles up to the surface.
Eh, joan. If you have some supported statistical evidence that out of the millions of people who support the pro-life cause a good portion of them also support violence towards abortion workers, than I would be inclined to agree with you. Otherwise, it looks like the fringes tend towards violence, like many other groups do. Every group has extremists. Though I haven’t commented here much lately because of the support for Randall Terry and Co, whom I consider extremists.
When I refer to the “movement”, I’m not referring to just anyone who happens to be sympathetic to some of its goals in the abstract. I’m talking about people who are actively and organizationally involved in some way–advocates, not bystanders. Therefore, it’s not at all a necessary condition, for my statement to be true, that a significant measure of people who “support the pro-life cause” also endorse violence to that end. Those people are not necessarily part of the movement proper (though of course some of them are), to which my assertion exclusively applies.
With that said, I would also clarify that I’m not even accusing a majority of people who are active participants in the anti-abortion movement of explicitly supporting violence; if I was, I wouldn’t have said that the movement’s disposition towards violence is latent (in other words, inert) and only occasionally erupts into something palpable. But it is there: the Scott Roeders, Paul Hills, and Eric Rudolphs of the world don’t plan and execute their attacks in a vacuum. They were all socialized, albeit on the more extreme end of the anti-abortion movement, to believe that violence was acceptable in their pursuit of what they believed to be justice.
And then you wonder why some people accuse you of things like ‘fetus porn’.
Fetus porn, huh? You people are completely insane. Insane. You watch a child being torn apart through this legal procedure and all you can say is, “Meh. Seen gore before.”
Good to know your conscience is seared to the extent that the dismemberment of humans no longer bothers you.
You keep showing it, some of you keep watching it…..
the anti-abortion movement has a latent disposition towards violence that is always there but only occasionally bubbles up to the surface.
Oh, ok. But the dismemberment in the video – I suppose that isn’t violence. It’s just a “gory medical procedure.” Dismemberment. Not violent. Just gory. Gotcha.
I wonder if a “latent disposition toward violence” even compares to the outright violence as seen in the above video of the dismemberment of a human being.
You keep showing it, some of you keep watching it…..
Some of us need to be reminded of what we’re fighting against. It’s easy to forget that this kind of thing happens here every single day.
And some of us can’t stomach watching it again.
And some of us watched a graphic abortion video for the first time years ago and it was life changing. I’m one of those.
Pornography depicts erotic behavior and is intended to be sexual in nature. Unless you think pro-lifers actually are turned on by dismemberment, there is no comparison here. I wouldn’t be surprised if you did actually think that, since you clearly have no idea why we do what we do.
Actually Joan, I know a lot of the people on this site and they do not advocate violence. I would never kill an abortion doctor.It is not my place to be the executioner. I prefer to pray for the abortion workers. If you actually watched the video you would see how many of these abortionists repented of the evil they had done and became pro-life. A former abortionist sharing the truth of the horror of abortion is way better for the side of life and babies than an abortionist with a hole in his chest.
Reality, the term porn refers to sexual excitement. Only pedophiles get excited over children or worse, dead children. When you use terms like “fetus porn” it just shows how sick you really are.
So here we are on an anti-choice site where the majority of people are anti-choicers.
You show photos and footage of dead and dismembered fetuses over and over again.
I doubt that most have such short memories that they can’t recall those sorts of images.
So I am left with the impression that some of you must be obsessed by it.
So here we are on an anti-choice site where the majority of people are anti-choicers.
Reality, you (and several others) are proof positive that pro-choicers visit this website. There are a lot of them. They come from Twitter, Facebook, or from Google searches.
There are a quite a few of them. And there are also people who very likely may not have seen the atrocity of abortion before.
You show photos and footage of dead and dismembered fetuses over and over again.
Photos on occasion, yes. And there is one ad campaign that is currently running which shows such images. But we feature abortion footage VERY infrequently. I should know. I work here. :D
I doubt that most have such short memories that they can’t recall those sorts of images.
True. What about you? Do they bother you?
So I am left with the impression that some of you must be obsessed by it.
This site is about the human atrocity known as abortion. I’d say on the whole, we show graphic images much less frequently than many other websites. However, we have every right to show what we’re fighting against.
I go to a Holocaust museum and expect to see photos of the victims. Is that porn as well? Are the Holocaust museums “obsessed?” I doubt it.
For many of us here, our life’s work is fighting against abortion. Fighting against human atrocity might not make sense to a lot of people. It didn’t make sense to the general public in history, either. I’m ok with that, and I’m sure most other pro-lifers are, too. ;)
“When you use terms like “fetus porn” it just shows how sick you really are.” – not a term I’ve used. I’m just saying it’s no wonder some people accuse you of things like ‘fetus porn’ and ‘fetus fetishists’ given the obvious level of obsession for showing and viewing the videos and photos.
“The cowards are people who DON’T shoot other people to “stop the violence”? ”
Jack, lets examine your statement above. If somebody was to enter your house to hurt your family, (and lets say there are no laws against it, the police would not respond, etc), what would you do?
Let’s say your walking though the park and you turn and see somebody murdering a baby, wouldn’t you want to stop this violent act from occuring? What exactly is so crazy about that? I say it’s crazy to keep on walking.
“Some of us need to be reminded of what we’re fighting against. It’s easy to forget that this kind of thing happens here every single day.”
Actually, late-term abortions (the ones that are always depicted in anti-abortion media) make up a tiny percentage of the overall abortions performed in the United States. The vast majority of them occur during the first trimester of pregnancy and the fetuses terminated during those abortions don’t look anything at all like the fetuses depicted in the pictures and videos that your movement regularly uses for propaganda. If you’re really interested in reminding yourself what it is that you’re fighting against, why not depict it honestly? You know full well that the shock imagery regularly used in your “fight” is not at all representative of the most common form of the procedure, yet you persist in using it anyway. Why is that? Is it because people wouldn’t emotionally respond to images of first-trimester abortions in the way they would towards late-term abortions?
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“Here’s the Blood” shows first trimester too Joan. Little hands and legs being scraped out of a woman.
Reality, tons of people visit this site. People who may not be sure where they stand on the issue of abortion. These videos change hearts.
I argue and debate with you, CC, Joan etc.. not because I actually think you will change your mind and see the light (though there is always that hope) but because I know there are many others here on this site who are undecided and are reading our exchanges.
When there are those who advocate the murder of defenseless human beings, I will always stand up and say its wrong.
You and I will go another round another day I’m sure.
Reality, You are in my prayers.
I see the trolls are out of their cages tonight. Twilight zone music anyone?
I am a 4th year medical student and am currently completing my OBGYN clinical rotation. I have witnessed 2 abortions thus far and they did not traumatize me or change my extremely pro-choice stance. Pro-lifers fail at what they do because they try to win over peoples’ emotions. Logic trumps emotion every time. Sure, it is not pleasant to view an abortion. It also isn’t pleasant to view open heart surgery or an innocent cow being slaughtered at a meat farm, but you’re not going to ban something just because it looks gruesome, right? In fact, killing an animal is much worse than having an abortion because an animal is sentient. Unless a pro-lifer is a Vegan, they are a hypocrite. Unlike an embryo or fetus that is not sentient and whose brain and nociceptors are not developed enough to process pain, thoughts, and emotions, an animal can feel pain, can feel emotions, can think. An animal is a sentient being and thus is more worthy of life than an embryo that is not wanted. An animal is not bothering anybody; it is an independent being. If pro-lifers are so concerned about “beating hearts” and pain, they should be Vegans. But alas, they are just hypocrites who only care about humans. Please remember, Humans are animals too.
Going on about how pro-lifers are illogical, let’s look at the larger picture: life after birth. There are already millions of children being born into poverty worldwide. Children starving to death, dying of diseases, suffering. There are children right here in America that are literally starving. There are children whose parents cannot afford health insurance so they are suffering from various diseases that could be treated. There are children who are being raised by unfit parents: drug addicts, alcoholics, psychotics, depressives, neglectful teens who prefer to party, etc.
Why bring another unwanted child onto this planet? The child is better off being aborted and put out of its misery than brought into this world for a life of suffering. Chances are, if the pregnancy is unwanted, the parent is truly not emotionally or financially ready to be a parent! Would it be better for the child to be raised by a poor parent who feeds it McDonalds dollar menu items for every meal until the child reaches 200 lbs and get diabetes and heart problems? Would it be better for the child to be raised by an immature, neglectful parent who is not there to monitor their child, and allow it to potentially drown or die in some freak accident? Would it be better to be raised by an unorganized parent who does not provide any structure in the child’s life, does not put an emphasis on education, does not teach the child any life/survival skills? Would it be better to be raised in the “ghetto” and most likely grow up to be a gang member? Would it be better to be raised by a drug addict and potentially be exposed to drugs? etc etc etc.
No, It wouldn’t. There are enough poor, suffering children in the world and in this country, PERIOD!
Its peculiar that many pro-lifers are republicans who are in favor of a small government. Small government, eh? Small enough to fit inside a woman’s uterus, sounds like. You can’t be pro-life if you believe in having a small government with low taxes and no social programs available to help children in need. Its funny that many pro-lifers are so obsessed with the life of the child when its in the womb, but once its born they couldn’t care less. Pro-Life Ron Paul himself has said that he believes a person without health insurance should be left to die! How Pro-Life of him, right?! Not!
I also don’t see many pro-lifers adopting children or fostering children. All they do is talk.
really aoife? the abortions didnt traumatize you? well it will traumatize their mothers. i hope you leave the medical field because im in it a life should come first! do us all a favor and get out.
hi jasper!…..nice to see you.
ive said this on this blog and i will say it again. it will make me even less popular than jasper. every morning i brew my coffee and flip on the news. the breaking news about Dr. George Tillers murder came on and news stations were going on about it. i was a little shocked but i shrugged my shoulders and went “oh well” put my coat on and left the house. i wasnt sad at all but i used to pray for him in life.
i dont condone murder but the day they execute scott peterson i wont cry either. i remember when tiller once said ” performing abortions is worth burning in hell for.” hope you meant that. i actually hope that maybe hed repented in church that day. or maybe on his last breath. only God knows. and he was noooooo hero!
oops less popular then jasper……above post. typo anyway i am pro death penalty so i do condone the murder of a murderer. anyone who rapes and kills a little kid ( jessica lunsford case ) deserves the death penalty. oh and joan and the fbi horse poop. would you knock it off? one day our nutty abortionist called the fbi. the guy came and flashed his badge. our pastor said “we arent the violent ones they are.” he said “youre fine. shook hands with the pastor and said “have a nice day.”
hey aofie…where will you be when those post abortive quack md will you be when these women get breast cancer? oh i get it you dont care! i hope someone slams you with a malpractice case down the road. you do not care about human life and a good doctor does care! and i cant access my phone to watch another quack tear apart a baby. ive seen enough abortion on video. if it doesnt upset a person watching a baby being ripped limb from limb then you have a mental problem.
aaaaaaah i tried to delete the last post as i butchered it. shoulda asked aofie where will a quack like you be when you stood there and watched 2 murders and their mothers get breast cancer? …..there are so many doctors. some deserve MD after their names and the rest should read QUACK.
oh noooooooo aofie is going to be an obgyn …please dont! become a vet instead since youre one of those nut jobs who value animal life over human life. youve sold your soul to the devil just like every other pro death doctor. would you also hold a pillow over an 88 year old womans face because she has no quuality of life? oh you will fall hard one day because you are a dumbed down power tripping med student. ive had doctors fired before after contacing the ohio state medical board and im about to start working on a letter for colleen krejewski (abortionist) an obgyn for disrespecting my pro life views and cramming her pro death propaganda down my throat.
mods please delete my last post i didnt want it to print….thanks.
“Going on about how pro-lifers are illogical, let’s look at the larger picture: life after birth. There are already millions of children being born into poverty worldwide. Children starving to death, dying of diseases, suffering. There are children right here in America that are literally starving. There are children whose parents cannot afford health insurance so they are suffering from various diseases that could be treated. There are children who are being raised by unfit parents: drug addicts, alcoholics, psychotics, depressives, neglectful teens who prefer to party, etc.”
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Abortion promised to stop these social issues. Why hasn’t it? Talk about illogical.
Save a fish but kill your child. Gotcha.
Please encourage your prolife children to go into medicine. Don’t worry that med school will be too hard for him/her. It doesn’t appear too hard to get through med school anymore.
Actually, late-term abortions (the ones that are always depicted in anti-abortion media) make up a tiny percentage of the overall abortions performed in the United States.
And yet, they occur and we seek to end them. Oh, and that small percentage is somewhere around 20,000 per year. http://www.rasmusen.org/x/2006/02/25/1076/
The vast majority of them occur during the first trimester of pregnancy and the fetuses terminated during those abortions don’t look anything at all like the fetuses depicted in the pictures and videos that your movement regularly uses for propaganda.
And when we show the body parts of children who have been removed via suction or D&C, with their hands draped across coins for size, you claim they were “staged” or “faked.”
And these images don’t look anything like first trimester children? I beg to differ. At 11 weeks, I saw my daughter on the ultrasound screen. She had arms, legs, a spine, a head, and was kicking and turning around like any baby would. Lemme see now – 2nd trimester babies have arms, legs, spines, heads, and kick and move like any baby would. Hmm. Oh, AND!!!!! They are genetically HUMAN.
If you’re really interested in reminding yourself what it is that you’re fighting against, why not depict it honestly? You know full well that the shock imagery regularly used in your “fight” is not at all representative of the most common form of the procedure, yet you persist in using it anyway. Why is that? Is it because people wouldn’t emotionally respond to images of first-trimester abortions in the way they would towards late-term abortions?
Many campaigns utilize images of first trimester children. Just because this particular video does not doesn’t mean we don’t use the earlier term images. In fact, you can look at the ad above the comments and see what I mean. And abortion *should* shock people. It’s dismemberment. It’s also delivering children who may still be alive, and allowing them to die of suffocation or of drowning in buckets of bleach.
Abortion ain’t pretty. You support it. OWN IT.
Aoife, all I have to say is I think you’d make a better veterinarian than an OB/GYN.
You really need to choose a new life path, Aoife. Perhaps you could adjust your schooling to become a veterinarian, then moonlight as a hitman. It just seems kind of silly to me to seemingly have so much contempt for humanity yet devote your your life’s work to what amounts to, by and large, our healing.
Who else do you think it would be better to “put out of their misery”? Will you be poisoning the chocolate milk of an orphanage soon? Take them out of foster care to smother them with pillows?
I freely admit that in my youth, I was pretentious and narcissistic. I fancied myself clever, therefore looked down upon the uneducated masses and saw them as less than myself. However, as I grew older, I found that quite often, the crowds with whom I chose to associate-brilliant though they may be-were absolutely devoid of any sort of basic human decency. They had reasoned themselves out of their place in humanity. They were empty, cold, calculating husks capable of great evils against those around themselves. People like Aoife are why I don’t judge those I associate with based upon intelligence, but rather upon virtue these days. If they can see people as a plague, and justify killing other human beings because they are young, do you really think they’re going to be there for YOU when you need compassion? I doubt it. The more complex of thought an animal becomes, the more dangerous they are. Human beings without compassion or empathy-haters of their own human race-are merely animals. They might as well run naked in a field, defecating in the waters from which they drink as cattle. Aoife is a great example of this.
to the crazy med student…i.dont remember your name but you want to work on women..you are already guilty of misogyny. i see a lot of women are already ganging up on you. get out cuz we dont want a murderer for a doctor. and you dont know jack about adoption and pro lifers. pro lifers do adopt. i know people who were adopted and they love life. how dare you sit there with your blood soaked hands and play God. abortion kills a baby and hurts women. you are as low as they go and ive met quite a few ding bat doctors. youre one of them. go ahead cuz your piece of paper is meaningless if you use it to kill people.
lets hope the “med murdering minded” “doctor” is just a lying troll. anyone could drop by and fib. i hope it was a troll.
okay i just watched the video. my phone allowed it. um did you guys note that all of the abortionists quit???? duh! they said it was murder cuz it is. i watched the baby be killed. disgusting. i guess thats fetus porn to psycho reality. yep what next as someone else mentioned….holocaust porn cuz we view pics of it? kkk porn cuz we view them at times? omg pro aborts are warped!
heather, the crazy med student may just be a troll but unfortunately there are many prochoice doctors. That’s why we need to shop around when it comes to our healthcare, too. Demand prolife doctors. Support prolife kids going on to med school. Heck, I don’t even want a proabort vet for my pets.
When it comes to dating, I tell girls that if he doesn’t care about the life of innocent unborn humans, it’s likely he’ll feel the same about them.
yes praxades…i shared my story of the evil pro choice doctor. she listened to my babys heartbeat and the baby kicked when she touched my stomach. ick. her hands were cold and creepy. she looked like a blonde witch. the entire experence made for a bad day but i told the front desk ” i dont want to see colleen krejewski again.” they respect that and they made sure never to match us up again. imagine had i not been a nurse. i wonder how she treats teens or other patients. she sure seems proud of herself to be a baby killer. wonder how many women shes talked into abortion;(
Aiofe, wow. You’re sick. I would never want a calloused evil person like you to be MY doctor. You sound like the kind of doctor Josef Mengele was. Do a little research on him. He allowed logic to trump emotion every time too. Doing experiments on children? Torturing patients? NO PROBLEM! He had scientific inquiries that needed answers. Logic triumphed over the horror of torturing children every time. Good for you Aiofe. You’re SICK.
Oh and one more thing, comparing slaughtering cows to pulling legs and arms off babies? Please tell me you aren’t going to be a pediatrician. You equate cows with babies? Again, you’re SICK!
yeah might i remind you sickos who say porn…its something that turns someone on sexually. one girl who used to come here accused me of being sexually aroused discussing the book Lime 5. she alsoo called abortion “crotch goop”…im sure she just said these things to get a rise outta me but all of you pro aborts have sex on the brain. thats why our abortion rate is so high. trust me looking at a baby going to his death does not sexually excite me. you people need a shrink!
Me thinks our ob gyn in training visitor needs to revisit his or her medical textbooks. Try reading a book on embryology. Brain waves detectable by 40 days after conception. Heart beat at around 21 days. By twleve weeks, when MANY abortions occur, resembles a small person (little one fetal models).
I am glad my gynecologist isn’t in the business of killing preborn children.
I have a pro-life ob/gyn this pregnancy and its so much nicer, let me tell you! I feel safe knowing she values my son’s life as much as I do.