Ms. Magazine: “We’re losing the war on abortion,” and other unforeseen consequences of focusing on contraception
Out of necessity abortion proponents have had to shift the debate from abortion to contraception, as the Washington Post explains:
For years, abortion rights advocates have battled an intensity gap: Their supporters don’t feel as strongly about protecting abortion access as antiabortion voters do about restricting it. This has been especially true for younger voters….
Keenan’s opponents unexpectedly came up with an answer: Widen the reproductive-health debate to include family planning and contraceptives.
It is a foregone conclusion that President Obama’s contraceptive mandate was a calculated political move to win back young and female voters. We shall see if it works.
One risk to this strategy in my mind is that pro-aborts will have to divide energies.
Another risk is if abortion is no longer the promoted topic, will pro-lifers be able to get more done under the radar, with less pressure? A February 21 piece entitled, “We’re winning one war on women, but losing another,” Ms. blog worries:
But while the media is momentarily fixated on the second big story this month of a losing fight against family planning (remember the Susan G. Komen Fund fiasco?), less attention has been paid to a related war that is not going well at all. The assault on abortion that has resulted from the 2010 elections – the Republican takeover of Congress and many statehouses and governorships – has arguably produced the most serious threat to abortion access since the Roe decision in 1973.
If pro-lifers were able to get so much done with the glare of abortion proponents fully upon them, how much more can they can get done when pro-aborts are focused elsewhere?
Furthermore, the contraceptive mandate has prompted unforeseen fallout for the other side, more potential loss of ground.
Vice President Biden warned the mandate “wouldn’t be seen as an issue of contraception – it would be seen as an issue of religious liberty,” since Obama’s mandate forces religious groups to cover contraceptives, abortion-drugs, and sterilization in their insurance plans. According to Politico today:
The contraception fight is expanding far beyond Washington, with several states eyeing ways of blocking the new Obama administration rule requiring most insurers cover contraception, or considering rolling back rules that the states themselves already had on the books….
New Hampshire, for instance, is one of 28 states that already have a contraception coverage mandate similar to the new federal rule – but Republican lawmakers there are considering repealing it.
“We didn’t know it was there,” Speaker William O’Brien told the Nashua Telegraph last week. “We don’t want it there.”
Another unforeseen complication: Personhood initiatives and legislation, which the other side may just have lit a fire under. More from Politico:
What, for instance, happens if a legislature prohibits insurers from covering the full range of contraceptives in policies sold through an exchange — but federal rules require it?
Such an approach could grow out of the so-called personhood bills, which give embryos legal rights from the moment of conception, pending in several states that could potentially outlaw emergency contraception because it can prevent implantation of fertilized eggs.
That could force a politically difficult problem for the Obama administration….
Virginia Del. Bob Marshall, a Republican who is sponsoring a personhood bill there, is itching for a fight over this issue, but it may have to wait until next year. It is too late in this year’s legislative session to file new bills.
“I will not tolerate this attack on the conscience,” Marshall said. “I still have legislative options.”
Emergency contraception should not be titled ‘contraception,’ if it’s also doubles as an abortifacient. No contraception that causes a health threat to a pre-born should be able to hide this fact. In fact they should be forced to put an image of what could happen in a worst case scenario, like the way they do with ciggarette packaging. Ciggarettes may cause cancer so they show a graphic on the outside as a thorough warning to consumers.
No mandates. This is american. We don’t ‘do’ mandates.
I am glad Obama will not be re-elected, with these commands of his being the specific reason why.
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“I am glad Obama will not be re-elected”
I hope you’re right, but on what basis can you say something so definitive? Imean who knows what can happen in an election that is months away?
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If you watch Inside Washington from Feb. 19th online around 25:33 you will hear Colby King defend Obama’s latest mandate and attack on religious liberty by saying that Obama is making the insurance company provide contraceptives and health care like mammograms. See where they are going with this…they are going to be putting preventive medicine like mammograms in there along with contraceptives to spoon feed the hysteria.
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Well…we always knew the legal fight was going to get nastier before it got nicer. Gear up.
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I said it to someone 20-some years ago (and now it’s gotten worse)
“I can’t believe I live in a country where women scream in the streets for their ‘right’ to kill their children!”
But, Thank God, at least this isn’t China!
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Yet more proof that this is a battle we’re fighting. But I’m definitely encouraged to see that we are gaining ground in the hearts and minds of many – especially young! – Americans. Praying fervently for the day that when abortion will be abolished.
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I would have to disagree with the tactic of working while pro-choicers aren’t looking. We should do our best to engage all people, even if they disagree with us, in the fight for justice. I know that things are tense between pro-choice and pro-life and chances that either are willing to come to the table are slim to none, but there are things that we must agree on.
To any pro-choicer reading, I suspect that you and I agree on access to birth control and the importance of women’s health not just because it concerns women’s lives but also because control of one’s reproduction is vital to control of one’s destiny. Maybe we agree on abortion and maybe we don’t but I am certain that we agree that it is necessary to combat rape culture, male privilege, white privilege, and work for laws that help couples (and most especially women) pursue both education/professional goals and family life (rather than leaving individuals forced to choose).
To pro-lifers: I suppose that we might have different approaches on how best to work with pro-choicers. I am very keen to hear your insight.
But what I mentioned above- about seeing abortion not as an ill of sexuality (which is usually- let’s be honest- is why contraception came up among conservative pro-lifers in the first place, even before the mandate) but as an ill that results in patriarchal/privileged cultures: It is a viable idea to frame abortion in these terms. For one, people in this country as a whole are pretty opposed to misogyny and racism, things that are important to understanding abortion. Two, we will get more young people and liberals interested in this movement. And third, if everyone united together to raise the status of women (most definitely WOC), we would live in a better world. It’s the right thing to do.
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Women have already been elevated to the status of demigods with a free pass to kill. 40 years of ‘let’s sit at the same table and find common PC ground’ have gotten us no closer to ending abortion. Young people are already interested, and they’re looking to us to stand firm and mean what we say, especially when we say no. There is no common ground on murder, and there is no compromising with evil. Stand up and let your no mean no-no exceptions.
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Pamela, what do you think motivates these women to demand to kill their children?
On a separate note, where does PP get the cash to buy those nice glossy pro-birth control signs? Do taxpayers pay for those signs?
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Amen to that MPQ. The table that the pro-choicers gather around is the wrong kind of table. Now, if people want to gather around a changing table instead, I’m in! You know what those are, abortion advocates who out there reading: a changing table is where you put a live baby to change his diaper. The kind of table you gather around has stirrups on the end and a glass jar next to it. Your table involves blood and death and grief.
Thanks but no thanks.
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Amen, Ninek. Those gathered at the abortion table aren’t gonna be gathering at the Lord’s table. I’m sick to death of all the waffling. Say it and mean it and act on it or get out of the way.
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i would loooooove to know why they feel they are losing. arent 4000 abortions a day enough. will they be winning when there are 8000 a day? plan b and ella are in every pharmacy. birth control is everywhere! does being pro death cause automatic paranoia? Gloria Steinem will bit*h herself to death. more than half of hollow woood is on her side. i guess if theyve actually lost anything it was the joy of being a mother. pro aborts puzzle me and NO we cannot agree on murder. no compramising.
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MPC,
How is it waffling to frame abortion differently than how it is viewed by so much of the pro-life movement? The pro-life movement will get nowhere by working against things that the majority of Americans support and things that do not hurt anyone, like condoms. We are working against progress that we ought to support. We must look at abortion for what it really is, and that is the result of the things that I mentioned: privilege and economic injustice.
When we talk about it in context of, “Well if you can’t afford to have sex, then don’t. Otherwise you are just obsessed with sex!!!” it just makes moderates, liberals, and the non-religious say, “Oh, that is the crazy movement that wants to shove its religion down my throat.” But people want justice and so we need to work with people of all walks of life to ensure that justice is what we get. This is not waffling. Talking to people who disagree with you and seeing things from their point of view makes us strong, not weak.
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“Frame abortion” – well aren’t you just all politically correct. Yes, let’s ‘frame’ tearing off an arm and a leg and crushing a fetal skull and make it sound all nice and benign. Let’s “dialogue” about autonomy until we all barf. Since you aren’t getting it Vannah, I’ll make it really simple for you-I DON’T CARE what liberals or moderates think of me. The bruised egos of a few foaming at the mouth feminists versus ending 3800 MURDERS a day is a small price to pay. Flap your piehole and kiss all the proabort @$$ you want to-you’re not changing any minds. I’ll stick to showing graphic images of abortion, using my handheld ultrasound and fetal development and continue to show what abortion is. The truth is what makes us strong, not patting the enemy on the back with your “I’m ok you’re ok” enabling nonsense. You’ve had 40 years to talk. Time for talk is OVER. Kumbayah.
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“Amen, Ninek. Those gathered at the abortion table aren’t gonna be gathering at the Lord’s table”
Funny, the pro-choice Protestant churches and the majority of American Jews don’t believe that. Guess they worship a different “lord.” And other non-Christians really don’t care what your “lord” thinks. I know, they’re abominations and all that jazz….
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”I’ll stick to showing graphic images of abortion, using my handheld ultrasound and fetal development and continue to show what abortion is”
LOL, right, you’re changing so many minds. Here’s the thing. Outside of your fetus worshipping cult, nobody cares. If a woman wants an abortion, it’s none of your business. Her body, her choice. Oh, right. That’s a “moronic pro-choice quote.” Those silly women really don’t want bodily autonomy. They just want to be happy brood mares.
And BTW, are you actually holding an ultrasound device when you prance around and harass women going into Planned Parenthood. If so, that’s pretty funny…
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When I see a cobble of hysterical hens holding signs like this:
“don’t take away my birth control”
I am reminded of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNKIjLLZMWs&feature=related
Now we all know what it’s like ‘to be in here’.
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“if theyve actually lost anything it was the joy of being a mother.”
If motherhood were so “joyful,” why do we still have child protective services which intervene in cases where mommies are not so “joyful?” But yeah, all women love their babies and we’ll all live happily ever after. Love that magical “pro-life” way of thinking!!!!
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3800 MURDERS a day is a small price to pay
According to the law, it’s 3800 legal surgical procedures. But really, folks, you need to up the ante here. You want to break the law -here’s how. Take all women, who walk into a Planned Parenthood, captive. Hold them until they have their beautiful baby and if they don’t want it, you can give it to a deserving family. It’s all good…and the women will thank you. Who’s with me on this?
And break into the IVF labs and embryonic stem cell labs to liberate (and baptize) all those babies. You can then implant them into Christian women who will bring them to term. Am I right?
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Except that your different point of view kills new human beings. See, that’s the sticky widget that abortion advocates can’t wrap their minds around. As long as you see new human beings as objects to be rid of and not people to be protected, we don’t have anything in common. Also, it is not pro-lifers who’ve been calling abortifacients ‘birth control’ or ‘contraception’ and it’s not the pro-lifers that began to use language to re-define pregnancy years ago. There even used to be an expression you younger folks have probably never heard: “there’s no such thing as being a little bit pregnant.”
Life begins at conception, not implantation and that makes a huge difference. Even if a condom doesn’t kill a human, IUD’s do kill, morning after pills do kill, and even the regular BC pill can kill an embryo before it implants. And you know what, you can kill with your own money. Stop cramming your hand down my wallet! Buy your own ELECTIVE contraception and pay for your own abortions until they are illegal again.
It was the abortion industry all along that’s been butchering language to try and mislead people. Stick to the truth and maybe you’ll start seeing things the way they are instead of the way that’s convenient only to yourselves.
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And we have had forty years to try the old, “Sex is evil and this is what we really should fight if we are going to keep abortion back!” It hasn’t worked. We may restrict it but these restrictions don’t hold up for long. When Susan G. Komen dropped Planned Parenthood the public backlash was huge and it was in favor of Planned Parenthood. This isn’t about how we are seen; it is about how much reality are we seeing. And as long as people continue to play the sexual immorality, I’m-a-Zax-and-I’m-going-nowhere card we will go nowhere.
We must recognize that people aren’t going to give up their sexual freedom because they don’t want to and they don’t view it as a bad thing. It’s not a popularity contest. It’s just a matter of seeing reality and accepting as a movement that we cannot keep up with the anti-contraceptive/sex line. I’m not saying you’re wrong for being pro-life. I am saying that if the movement doesn’t change, it will not succeed. We must acknowledge what abortion really is.
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Indeed, cc, you and your friends do worship a different lord. As for myself, I serve Jesus. However, religion has nothing to do with this fact: Life begins at conception. Murder, though legal, is still murder. The babies aren’t any less dead because you think of them as chattel.
It’s never to late to embrace life, cc. At any time, you can do it.
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We must acknowledge what abortion really is.
Yes, I wish YOU would.
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“However, religion has nothing to do with this fact: Life begins at conception.”
Again, that’s not a universal legal, scientific, and religous consensus. I know, it’s hard to grasp that not everybody shares your views. Where’s the Inquisition when you need it!!!!!
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Did I say sex was evil? I’m fighting feminism by demanding grown women act like grown women and not spoiled children. We ARE acknowledging what abortion really is-feminists, on the other hand, are still clinging to false constructs and junk science now 40 years in the past (aka clumps of cells, pregnancy tissue ad nauseum) you’d do well to figure out who you’re really fighting, Vannah, before making sweeping assumptions. Did I not just mention graphic images, ultrasound and fetal development? Do you really think you’re changing any minds enabling abortion shills? That’s not progress, it’s business as usual for the abortion lobby. Get off the fence and quit with the liberal euphemisms and quit apologizing for the enemy.
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Same place as athiest dictators who killed millions, CC. In history’s hall of shame.
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compressed conflatulence
aka
for whom the belle trolls
Thank you for providing us with one more glimpse of what its ‘like to be in here’.
I think of a man….
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CC,
Yes, I am. They get to see their babies before going in. More than a few have changed their minds. How many women have you helped keep their babies vs killing them? Waltzing around with the golden turkey baster? LOL.
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Ninek,
I know what abortion is. I never said that it isn’t murder. What I said was that the modus operandi of the pro-life movement has to change to a). view the actual causes of abortion, b). work with everyone to fight what causes abortion, c). drop the anti-contraceptive/sex approach, and d). stop fightinging off all liberal/moderate allies. I am not saying that your conviction that abortion is murder is wrong. Just that the pro-life movement has to fix its approach and make it more effective.
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“outside of your fetus worshiping cult, nobody cares” yeah that’s why it’s been headline news every night. You’re losing, cc. Woman up (for once) and take it like a man. Heh. Back later, if time permits. Battle on prolife people. Gotta wonder why some of these rabid proabort zealots come back here day in and day out…
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CC, you accusing us of being in a cult is a real pot meet kettle moment.
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be careful being too nice to pro aborts. if youre too nice they will suck you in. i took depo provera for 14 years and finally came to the cold hard realization that i was contracepting my children out of existance. so youve had an abortion(s) go ask the lord to forgive you and he will. your worst day with him is better then your best day without him.
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hahahahaa fetus fetish? do you abortion fans have a suction machine fetish? how about an ru486 fetish? how about pro aborts who worry about people who bomb abortion clinics? is that a bomb fetish? strange indeed. cc has a turkey baster fetish.
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When times are tough societies generally tend to become more ‘conservative’ in a number of ways. Perhaps some grasping of a stable status quo or a return to when times were thought to be better drives this. Perhaps.
But when the people realise that the destroyers of freedom are using conservative political and economic positions to shroud attempts to institute regressive social conservatism, the pendulum will swing.
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as ive stated before…cc never had a pregnany confirmed yet she decided to inject air into her vagina with a turkey baster. cc i know you love abortion but why on earth do you want to continue to live a lie? as dan asked alex in the movie “fatal attraction” …”what do you want to talk about our imaginary relationship”? cc why do you keep talking about your imaginary abortion?
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as Liz from Nebraska always says…we are turning into Nazi Germany. i guess thats okay though.
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If motherhood were so “joyful,” why do we still have child protective services which intervene in cases where mommies are not so “joyful?” But yeah, all women love their babies and we’ll all live happily ever after. Love that magical “pro-life” way of thinking!!!!
And if motherhood was joyless for some mothers, and they wanted to starve their post-natal products of conception to death, who are you to tell them not to, CC? They were just being empowered and choosing to no longer be “broodmares”, right? The nerve of some people…
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LOL @ ‘destroyers of freedom’ – never heard a more apt description of abortion than that. People tend towards conservatism during hard times because liberal policies fail-they return to good old fashioned values that worked in the past and built this great country after lib failures bring on more hard times.
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You obviously need to brush up on your comprehension skills MPQ
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LOL X-if it were so joyless there wouldn’t be 7 billion people on the planet.
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Sorry unreality but I’m fresh out of troll kibble. Go read a history book. One that hasn’t been re-written by libs.
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Just that the pro-life movement has to fix its approach and make it more effective.
Vannah,
We are winning hearts and minds everyday. We are winning. Although you have many suggestions for us I can’t help but wonder what YOU are doing to help mothers in crisis?
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CC
As i recall, abortion advocates maintained that legal abortion would eliminate the need for protective services and the problem of child abuse.
So, can you explain why 39 years of legal abortion hasn’t eliminated the need for protective services and the problem of child abuse?
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Abortion was gonna end poverty and crime, too. FAIL.
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We must recognize that people aren’t going to give up their sexual freedom because they don’t want to and they don’t view it as a bad thing.
Who is asking them to? I don’t care if you want to screw everyone who crosses your path. The only LEGAL restriction I care about is that you don’t have the right to kill the children that result from the reproductive act. That’s it. Other than that – screw to your heart’s content. Contracept or don’t. Whatever. You will have the freedom to do that.
The discussions about contraception and sexual morality are not something that religious pro-life people are looking to enforce by law. But the people you seek to appease, Vannah, aren’t happy to have the freedom to do what they want. They want the APPROVAL of everyone else. You are asking religious people to check their morality at the door – to push contraceptives with you, to encourage a lifestyle that they see as harmful. If contraception is truly not part of the abortion fight (and I believe that it doesn’t have to be – people of all persuasions can recognize the scientific reason to end abortion), then we cannot tie contraceptive use into the pro-life plan and then complain that those against contraception won’t just play nice.
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and liberals…where is your tolerance? anyone who loves the lord is a crazy fundi? hahaha..bring it. at least it has the word FUN in it! id rather be a fundi than someone like Jennifer Aniston ( a rabid pro abort btw ) she aspired to be a huge starlett. she would NOT have kids with Brad Pitt ( and i dont condone cheating ) but Brad moved on. Now look at Jenn…..her career is in the toilet and at 42 she remains childless.
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Tyler says:
February 22, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Pamela, what do you think motivates these women to demand to kill their children?
My PERSONAL opinion, Tyler? Ignorance (of pre-born development) and SELFISHNESS. With them it’s all “ME,ME,ME! What I want! What I need! MY rights!”
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I don’t know who keeps hitting the “Like” button every time CC comments. I think it’s CC herself. ;)
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Heather,
libs are putting the FU back in fun. LOL.
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“as Liz from Nebraska always says…we are turning into Nazi Germany.”
Hi Heather, how could you say such a thing? Just because this country supported a narcissistic divisive candidate for leader of the country with a cult-like following, whose only real ability is speaking in front of a crowd, who blames the previous leader for economic problems, who implements measures to make government stronger and churches weaker, and who refers to certain human beings as non-persons to make them easier to kill?
Hmmm…. maybe you have a point.
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game set and match to Eric :)
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i know eric…..what on earth was i thinking? actually liz says it often. anyway nice to see you eric!;)
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“Just that the pro-life movement has to fix its approach and make it more effective.”
Vannah is correct, let’s fix our approach and vote for Obama like shes plans to. That should help.
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Why are the GOP looking around for new candidates now that santorum is looking like a serious contender who just might beat romney?
Is it because they know a fundagelical can’t win the vote?
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Taking advice from a pro-choice advocate on how to make the pro-life movement more successful? The internet doesn’t have a meme yet to describe how illogical THAT would be.
Looks to me like we’re no longer in defense mode, but in growth mode.
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http://www.operationsaveamerica.org/2012/02/22/president-obama%e2%80%99s-visit-to-notre-dame-and-attack-on-catholic-church/
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Carla!
Hi! How are you?
I stand ashamed in front of you. I focus so much on mediation these days that I, very horribly, forget the real world applications of social justice work. That is to say, I’m too theoretical and not close enough to putting my plans into action. You are right. I need to do more to help women in such situations.
I’m really not sure what to do. I don’t have money to donate but there are other things to do. I shall look for a local shelter if I can or a local CPC and see what I can do.I can sew. Perhaps I can make something for a child? Or cook! Perhaps I can, if the CPC lacks this, put together a book of want ads in case there is a woman out there looking for a job. I actually thought that a job book would be in the perfect CPC- one that is organized so that women can compare the job, benefits it offers, and practicality with her pregnancy/motherhood.
I also thought about tutoring foreign languages or math or science or reading. Part of the reason women seek abortions is because they worry about the lives that their children might experience, so it is essential that we improve the lives of children and give them as many opportunities as we can. Even if all we can do is little things, it can help. Next time you see me, please ask me about it to keep me responsible.
I hope that all of us combined can do tremendous good for the world. :)
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Hoping for the day we defeat the war of abortion on children.
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“As i recall, abortion advocates maintained that legal abortion would eliminate the need for protective services and the problem of child abuse.”
I don’t recall that at all. But as it fits your pro-life meme, go for it.
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Virginia
We Won.
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cc you havent won a thing. you are gonna die alone unless you embrace life.
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Vannah–God bless you. He will find work for you to do. I know Carla will have more practical suggestions, as she is on the front lines. Keep us posted.
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Can we get the government to buy us free prolife signs, like how the government uses our money to buy fancy signs for the proaborts? Those flimsy LifeChain signs we use need some help.
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CC, 6:51am
I realize you PA folks have highly selective memories, but I will be charitable and chalk it off to you being too young to remember. I suppose you have no recollection of legal abortion meaning “safety” and “top quality medical care” for women either. I didn’t think so.
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“As i recall, abortion advocates maintained that legal abortion would eliminate the need for protective services and the problem of child abuse.”
I don’t recall that at all. But as it fits your pro-life meme, go for it.
Well, with all due respect cc, if, as you posted here once “you were there” during Roe v Wade, then surely you remember all the passionate arguments that wanted children wouldn’t be abused, but unwanted children would, and so abortion, by eliminating unwanted children would eliminate the child abuse that would surely follow if these children were born.
That was before the interwebs, so I don’t have a link handy but we do remember.
This meme that feminists did propogate did bear a backhanded insult to women: if you have sex without wanting children, you are more prone to abuse your children. Am i rite? Lol.
But seriously, I’ve seen teens post on facebook that in heated arguments, parents sometimes yell out that they should have aborted said teen. Now, I can tell you from my own personal experience that my mother never yelled THAT at me (but she had some cutting remarks when we misbehaved). That kind of insult, one that says in the heat of anger, I could have aborted you and should have, is very cutting, and children don’t forget it easily or take it lightly. So, legal abortion does hurt even the children who survive.
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Eric 10:08PM
Brilliant!
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Folks
This is a ploy by Obama and his minions to deflect from the real issues facing us and the colossol failures of the Democrat Party and Obama’s regime. It was a very calculated move. Trouble is its working. By being defensive the Republicans are playing right into Obama’s hands. They should state their positions and refuse to discuss the issue further, stressing there are far more pressing concerns facing our nation.
Give it to Obama, he pulled a fast one here. He has his personal stenography pool that we laughingly call journalists to keep the issue alive. We have enough dimwits who will believe anything. Trouble is they vote. Wherever the chips may fall he accomplished what he set out to do.
That’s why I warn you folks, stop debating over whether he is good or evil, Muslim or Christian, saint or sinner, or argue amongst ourselves about birth control. The man is miles ahead of us with an effective strategy for his re-election and we and the Republican candidates are still in one spot chasing our tails!
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ultimately we will never take down abortion until we destroy the linchpin of contraception.
Abortion wasn’t accepted until contraception use was firmly entrenched.
A woman/man/couple who contracept do not see babies and sex as part of the same equation. A baby is a complication of sex and therefore must be “removed”.
We need to change this attitude. Babies are not a problem. Sex without commitment and the openness to new life is.
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angel-
I disagree. The disconnect which causes the “sex =/= babies” bit of cognitive dissonance can be overcome with the proper education. If you properly instruct people as they age in the finer points of human reproduction, the idea that “sex = biological function of creating babies” is the prevailing one regardless of contraception.
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oh, and the “sex=/=babies” disconnect can happen with or without contraception. I don’t know what it is, but people tend to get into a “It (pregnancy) can never happen to me.” sorta mindset.
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“If pro-lifers were able to get so much done with the glare of abortion proponents fully upon them, how much more can they can get done when pro-aborts are focused elsewhere?”
I don’t really see this as a shift of focus… contraceptives and abortion are all linked. I’m hoping that this will further unite pro-lifers by showing how it’s all connected, and the fight can only won until you focus on all of it.
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