Liberal hypocrisy: “Wanted Dead or Alive” posters
Life in America grows more unsettled by the day under President Barack Obama’s. watch One of many reasons is his administration’s betrayal of justice.
Meanwhile, liberals grow more hypocritical by the day.
Back in 2010 abortion proponents pressured the Obama Justice Department to investigate pro-life activists for distributing “Wanted” posters outing abortionists. Quoting from a CBS News story:
“It doesn’t say ‘Wanted Dead or Alive’ but the implications are clearly there,” said a doctor, who, fearing for his life, asked to remain anonymous….
One poster even cites a home address.
“These ‘Wanted’ posters are a call for my murder,” a doctor said.
Now we have members of the New Black Panther Party actually issuing “Wanted Dead or Alive” posters targeting 28-yr-old George Zimmerman of Jackson, Florida, in the shooting death of 17-yr-old Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch volunteer who claims he shot Martin last month in self-defense. (Witnesses concur.) Martin was unarmed.
An investigation is underway, but it is apparently unnecessary according to the NBPP, which says Zimmerman “MURDERED” Martin “in COLD BLOOD” and is offering a $10,000 bounty for his capture.
Spike Lee went on to tweet Zimmerman’s home address to his 247,000 followers…
BTW, this is the same NBPP whose members attempted to intimidate citizens from voting in Philadelphia in 2008, and whose charges the Obama DOJ dropped.
Meanwhile, that same DOJ is itself intimidating pro-lifers by stalking them as they engage in their First Amendment right of free speech in front of abortion mills.
And while the NBPP has likely broken several laws with its Wanted poster, President Obama’s response has been to say, “If I had a son he would look like Trayvon,” meaning what?
Pro-lifers lament the death of Trayvon Martin.
But I’ll tell you something, President Obama, you hypocrite. You advocate the murders of 1,876 black children every day, half of which would look like you, and half of which would look like your daughters.
You harass pro-lifers who try to protect those children, and you give our tax dollars to their killers.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
This article was posted with a much diff. tone on this fake pro-life website–
http://allourlives.org/
These guys are associated with Maria Shrivers the White Ribbon Alliance. Unfortunately one of their goals is issuing birth control to women in third world countries, which they claim never acts as an abortifacent. It is my understanding though, that chemical birth control does regulate progesterone, so weather or not a women has conceived of a child, the uterine lining will shed, forcing the period-and along with it goes the fetus-chemical birth control over-rides the hormones telling our bodies we are pregnant. This probably also impacts liklihood of breast cancer as well.
I am just curious with the White Ribbon Alliance, I love Shriver and think she has the best intentions, but maybe she is not thinking her charity goals through all the way. Her mom, Eunice was a self pro-claimed, “friend of the fetus.” AOL.com has told me chemical birth control never acts as an abortifacent, and I wonder why they are also promoting this theory that the incident in Florida was an all out hate-crime.
Obviously there are two sides to the story and they have chosen an alignment with Obama’s side of the story-even though it doesn’t protect women, it has a tone of creating a cadre of issues that the liberal Catholic-what-ever that means, can use to justify the pro”choice,” lie of, “I am not pro-abortion, but if we illegalize it, it will be dangerous to women.” As if providing abortions and abortifactent chemical birth control were compassionate and therefore in the spirit of Christ. I want to know who else is in their alliance besides AOL.org.
This is the problem with Churchs, like St Monica’s Catholic Chruch -Shriver’s church, here in Santa Monica, giving the host to high profile attendees who are not anti-abortion. She needs to be prolife if she want’s to properly remember the last supper.
Oh no, not another argument about the Martin case!
I hate it when people try to justify their bad behavior by pointing out the other side’s exact same behavior. That goes for pro-lifers defending the wanted posters or racial justice advocates defending the Black Panthers. It’s all disgusting behavior that advocates violence, and everyone needs to cut it out.
Jack, I don’t see any justification for the abortion doctor wanted posters. Just a pointing out the double standard. No one is saying , “look, they did this, so its okay we did this,” rather it seems to be, “this was pointed out as wrong by the very people doing xyz”
What does it have to do with the Obama administration in the first place?
Well, I DO know that Jill is fine with home protesting and such, something I am very opposed to. I don’t think it’s much of a stretch to think she’s fine with it. But you are right, she didn’t specifically say so, so it’s an assumption one my part.
“ What does it have to do with the Obama administration in the first place?”
EVERYTHING is Obama’s fault, Doug. EVERYTHING.
In all seriousness, his shout out before all the facts are in didn’t help much. I am guilty of that as well, since I have made my views known on the case and I don’t have all the facts. However, I am not a public figure with a lot of power, so it’s a bit different.
The pro-life wanted posters, as I recall, were “wanted to repent” and not calling for ‘dead or alive’ but they did upset the abortion advocates and probably didn’t do us any favors.
This ‘wanted’ poster is pretty awful, but it would make a nice bookend to all my so-called-peace-loving-so-called-friends who posted on facebook and myspace during George W’s administration that we should get rid of Bush in a violent way. You see, if you’re liberal and you hate someone, it’s ok. Because, y’know, everything was Bush’s fault, up to and including the extinction of the dinosaurs. Ok, just kidding about the dinosaurs… But I think you get my drift.
Jack: EVERYTHING is Obama’s fault, Doug. EVERYTHING.
:) :P
In all seriousness, his shout out before all the facts are in didn’t help much. I am guilty of that as well, since I have made my views known on the case and I don’t have all the facts. However, I am not a public figure with a lot of power, so it’s a bit different.
I don’t think Obama has deemed it a murder – he says it should be further investigated and it will be, as far as I know. Who knows? Maybe it is a murder.
JB,
What is disgusting is grown men parading the corpse of a 13 year old boy in order to promote themselves.
That photo of TM in the red shirt is at least 3 years old. It was taken when TM was around 13 years of age.
The young man who Zimmerman shot was 17 years old and over 6 feet tall.
The race baiters and the poverty pimps with the more than willing assistance of the MSM have deliberately portrayed TM as Steve Erkel. aka ‘the unassailable victim’.
The problem is people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have stepped in it up to their lyin eyes and it will be almost impossible for them extricate themselves without acknowleding publicly how irresponisble they are.
Therefore they will continue the charade seeking any snipit of extrapolated gossip in an increasingly lame attempt to bolster their case that the Z man killed TM because he was black and the Fred G. [the ‘G’ does NOT stand for ‘gay’] Sanford and Son city officials looked the other way because they are all card carrying members of the KKK.
Rosewood or Sounder, this is not.
Hi Jill,
Obama’s remark that if he had a son he would look like Treyvon can only come from a flaming narcissist who thinks everything is about him/her. Did he ever think the son might look like his wife?
I wonder if any of those NBPP members who intimidated voters would also look like sons of Obama, maybe that’s why the “DOJ” didn’t go after them. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., who’s civil rights struggle also included ending voter intimidation, must have rolled over in his grave.
JackBorsch and Doug, you are correct that an investigation must be completed and innocence presumed until proven otherwise. What we have is media hysteria and those prima donna race husksters Jackson and Sharpton trying to outdo each other. Also, that idiot Spike Lee apparently tweeted the wrong address, which may put innocent lives in danger. This whole thing is really getting out of hand.
Hi Ken,
Our fearless leader was even caught on an open mic with the Russian prez concerning our missile defense negotiations. I know, I know, we all misunderstood. He was really telling the Russian prez to let Vladimir(Putin) know he would get him that recipe for cherry pie.
Howdy Mam.
What’s a gal like you doin hangin out in a place like this?
I contrast mr. bo-jangles open mic moment with a Ronaldus Magnus gem:
“My fellow Americans. I’m pleased to announce that I’ve signed legislation outlawing the Soviet Union. We begin bombing in five minutes.” -joking during a mike check before his Saturday radio broadcast
One big difference between Reagan and mr. bo-jangles remark was Reagan was joking and knew everyone was listening. b o was making policy and hoping no one would find out.
Reagan was obviously joking when he said that, but it was meant to be a private joke. It’s somewhat reminiscent of the Star Wars Kid, but with less controversy and minus the lawsuit.
Some information for those who are interested. When I read this, I thought, “THIS is what journalism is supposed to look like: a presentation of facts.”
http://crayfisher.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/a-different-look-at-the-trayvon-martin-case/
Mary,
You said, “Obama’s remark that if he had a son he would look like Treyvon can only come from a flaming narcissist who thinks everything is about him/her. Did he ever think the son might look like his wife?”
I don’t understand. The point of Obama’s statement was that if he and Michelle had a son, that son would look like Trayvon. He was taking about skin color. What are you talking about? How is it narcissistic to say, “Wow, that’s what our kid would look like.” Who do you think he was talking about having a child with in that instance?
Are you really interpreting as a “flaming narcissist” because of his choice of personal pronoun? His use of “my” instead of “we”? That’s, well, a bit of a stretch.
Hi ella_rae,
Its my personal opinion that a remark like that is totally inappropriate and self focused. Instead of focusing on the issues of a dead teenager, media hype, misinformation, assuming guilt until proven innocent, a NBPP possee threatening to kill Zimmerman, and Spike Lee tweeting the wrong address and endangering totally innocent people, the president seems instead to be gazing in the mirror.
That is my opinion and I respect that others may disagree.
Hi klynn73
Its so reassuring to see such random acts of real journalism. It gives us such hope at a time when we have only the White House stenography pool.
Hey Jill – turns out that address Spike Lee posted – it’s not Zimmerman’s.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/03/27/Spike-Tweets-Wrong-Address
You might want to clarify Lee made a major mistake.
I wonder if Obama can look at aborted babies and imagine that if he and Michelle had more kids, they might have begun their lives looking like “mistakes.”
He looked like punishment?
ninek, to be fair, I don’t think BO knows whether TM’s mother ”wanted” TM or not – I think he just assumed that she did want to give birth to TM and that TM parents did not view TM as “punishment.”
I don’t understand. The point of Obama’s statement was that if he and Michelle had a son, that son would look like Trayvon. He was taking about skin color. What are you talking about? How is it narcissistic to say, “Wow, that’s what our kid would look like.” Who do you think he was talking about having a child with in that instance?
No, he could only have been talking just about skin color if Obama thought that “all black people look the same” as if their skin color were the only feature worth noticing. Which I would certainly hope he does not. And, yeah, I thought it was pretty narcissistic, too. Someone is dead, violently and unnecessarily, and Obama’s comment on why he is sympathetic is, “This victim kind of looks like me! Wow, that makes this even more awful!” No. No, it freaking doesn’t. Trayvon’s death is no more or less awful because he happens to have one or two facial structures that vaguely resemble somebody else. Obama’s injection of himself into someone else’s tragedy is selfish, unnecessary, and crass.
I contrast mr. bo-jangles open mic moment with a Ronaldus Magnus gem:
@Ken – I am not a fan of Obama at all, but could you please explain why you are calling him “Mr. Bo Jangles?” Its offensive and inappropriate.
I can’t believe that Spike Lee posted Zimmerman’s address. He may be a talented film maker, but he is also a real jerk.
@Ken – I am not a fan of Obama at all, but could you please explain why you are calling him “Mr. Bo Jangles?” Its offensive and inappropriate.
phillymiss,
I intend for it be offensive.
b o is offensive.
Whether or not it is ‘inappropriate’ to refer to b o as ‘mr. bo-jangles’ is up for debate.
I believe I can make the case that is entirely appropriate.
Google ‘mr. bojangles’ read the lyrics.
Before the 2008 presidential elections, b o dodged a very simple question by saying the answer was “above my pay grade”.
After b o took the oathe of office he has demomstrated repeatedly there is almost nothing that is NOT ‘above his pay grade’.
b o only excels at incompetence.
I once saw b o dance on the Ellen show and the man does have some moves.
If b o is unable to provide competent leadership, then at least he can entertain us with some dancing.
Thus I have dubbed him mr. bo-jangles.
‘b o’ is mr. bo-jangles chosen moniker on one of his social networking sites.
[Sammy Davis, Jr., who was a gifted entertainer, said ‘mr. bojangles’ was one of his favorite songs to perform.]
b o is a fraud and an imposter.
If b o will not be honest about who he is, then it is within my perogative to identify him as I choose.
I respect the office of the president of the united states.
When we have a president I will give the office holder any respect she/he/it may deserve.
A coule of weeks ago I was at my neighborhood CVS pharmacy and they had some long sleeved tee shirts on sale for a couple of bucks each.
I bought several of them. Two of them, one white and one black, are hoodies.
I wear the black one with my sweat pants pants when I am just ‘chilin’ around the house and sometimes when I am out and about running errands.
Am I now at a higher risk of being shot to death?
I see that the parents of TM are now in D.C. testifying before a panel of democRATs.
I understand that mr. Zimmerman is a registered ‘democRAT’.
Do you suppose they are lobbying congress to ban hoodies and/or make it illegal for democRATs to own firearms.
You guys have a really weird interpretation to this comment by Obama. Did you watch the entire video of his response? He talked for 2-3 minutes about the scenario, called for an investigation, and then said that it hit home because Trayvon looks very similar to what a son of his would look like, if he had a son.
I have also looked at the Trayvon case and thought, “Wow, he looks like my students,” or, “Wow, he looks like what my friend Mary’s little boy is going to look like when he’s a teenager.” Is that narcissistic? Really? Empathy is now narcissism?
Evidently it’s legal (though perhaps not polite) to issue a fatwa – a reward for killing someone. This will greatly simplify the load on our courts. (I heard to day on the news that their “reward” was up to over $25,000.
Almost everyone – including the President – is rushing to judgement before all the facts are in. I’m surprised that Zimmerman wasn’t at least taken into custody and questioed – but that’s Florida.
Any President shoulld stay out of local affairs. He got himself involved in the case of the black Harvard professor who was arrested – he shouldn’t have done that either.
Ken: “Google ‘mr. bojangles’ read the lyrics.”; “Thus I have dubbed him mr. bo-jangles.”
I know the song. It comes from a while back. The guy Walker wrote about was a good man, one who lived the life he was dealt. Obama is no Mr Bojangles.
“‘b o’ is mr. bo-jangles chosen moniker on one of his social networking sites”
Incredible. Inconceivable.
“I respect the office of the president of the united states.”
I used to, until this President disrespected it. With a little luck, we can respect both the man and the office after November.
Ella Rae says: March 28, 2012 at 12:57 pm
“I have also looked at the Trayvon case and thought, “Wow, he looks like my students,” or, “Wow, he looks like what my friend Mary’s little boy is going to look like when he’s a teenager.”
ER,
Whenever the progressives want to make political hay they trot out the ‘unassailable victim’.
The latest version before TM came on the scene was Sandra Phluck [her pronunciation] the progressive’s poster child for promiscuity.
Wo be it to any who would dare criticize the progressive’s version of the virgin mary.
The newest unassailable victim is Trayvon Martin.
The most publicized photo of TM is the smiling 13 yr old boy wearing the red T-shirt.
Not the most current photo of the now 17 year old, over 6 foot tall teenager.
Zimmerman did not shoot a 13 year boy riding his skateboard back from the park.
He shot a 17 year old teenager who, in some jurisdictions and some circumstances could be tried as an adult.
Mary, his point was that if Obama had a son he would look similar to Trayvon – i.e. black. His point was that many people STILL interpret a young black teenager as a “hoodlum” or “gangsta” (i.e. Ken The Racist). Trayvon was a young black man and whether you believe his death was racially motivated or not, Obama was making a point about who he was or who he could be – anywhere from a “hoodlum” to the President’s son. Do not judge a book by it’s skin color.
Also I totally agree with Jack here. Both sides commit wrongdoings and most of the time those wrongdoings cannot be attributed to the group as a while but it’s never okay to use those as a justification. The “Wanted” pro-life posters and ANY threats against doctors or women or ANYONE are beyond justification, as is this “Wanted” poster. George Zimmerman should be arrested and brought to a fair trial – not taken out by a vigilante.
I’m going to call serious BS the next time a pro-lifer pulls something like the earlier “Wanted” posters and then says “WELL YOU GUYS DID IT THOUGH!!!” It’s never okay. Never never never. And anyone over the age of 3 should know that.
Also Ken, do not start with the “a 17 year old in some jurisdictions can be tried as an adult” unless you are also willing to extend that logic to 17 year olds looking for abortions or the morning after pill. No matter his age Trayvon was unarmed and was shot. There needs to be a trial.
b o is a fraud and an imposter.
you must be using different definitions of these words.
All right, since we’re in the neighborhood of this point, I think this is worth pointing out. I noticed one of my earlier posts on another thread calling ken a troll has now been moderated. And now, on this thread, ken is not only using a well-known racial slur, but doubling-down in his justifications when called out on it.
I don’t deny there are a lot of things we can and should criticize Barack Obama for. He absolutely is one of the worst presidents our nation has ever had the misfortune to elect. His economic policies are disastrous, he insults our allies all over the world, and he is the most pro-abortion president–possibly the most pro-abortion person ever elected to any office–that this nation has ever seen. And none of that justifies the use of a racial slur as a “pet name.” Even if Obama deserves no respect of any kind, using a slur to criticize him implies that it is his race that is the problem, rather than his idiotic policies. And that insults every black person who may read ken’s posts. That is not, in any way whatsoever, consistent with pro-life ideology.
As many people have observed, this is one of the most visible and highly trafficked pro-life blogs in the United States. Possibly in the world. I don’t hold Jill Stanek, or any of her mods, responsible for the content of ken’s posts, including whatever racial slurs and other derogatory language he chooses to employ. Nor do I hold them responsible for those who respond to his off-topic rants, allowing him to derail threads.
What I do hold them responsible for is moderating those of us who point out that by constantly and deliberately derailing threads to no purpose, he is a troll–however anti-abortion he may be–and that by moderating the posts of those who do call out his use of racial slurs, you encourage his use of them. It is unacceptable to criticize anyone on the basis of race. Period. By silencing those who criticize ken for doing so, but allowing his filth to stand unchallenged, you send the message to everyone reading this blog that one of the most prominent pro-lifers in the United States thinks it is acceptable to criticize people on the basis of race. This isn’t some random website that no one notices. People see you. They see ken, and they see that the mods approve of him. And the conclusion they will draw, fairly or unfairly, is that pro-lifers tolerate racism. I am horribly disappointed to see that some of you have made a pet of ken, and I am even more disappointed to see that you hide the posts of those who criticize him. I thought better of this mod team.
Thank you, Alice. I could not agree more and I really appreciate you speaking out. People like Ken are giving YOUR MOVEMENT a bad name.
I have been reading this website for years and not commenting. (I am not on the same side of most issues as the main commenting group here.) However, when I recently decided to begin commenting, I knew one thing for sure: I would not engage with Ken.
lizzy,
The point is Zimmerman did not shoot that 13 year old boy in the red t-shirt, which is the deception being deliberately promoted by crass opportunists and useful idiots.
Zimmerman shot a 17 year old young man who was several inches taller than him.
Hey Alice -
my comment in response to yours (linking to previous objections re: ken’s use of “bojangles”) is also now moderated. I don’t think it’s because it has a link in it, since there are two “likes” on the post which means someone saw them for some period of time?
I suspect Rachel C.’s, whose post I directly replied to, is as well. That entire conversation was hidden.
However, let me come back a bit from my previous post because, looking at that thread, I see that I’ve been unfair. ken’s post, to which people objected which started the conversation in question, was also hidden. I can’t see it on the thread anymore. I apologize for not checking more closely. I should have done and that was wrong of me.
Hi Alice,
In the future could you please email one of the mods if there is something you believe needs to be moderated? We are not on here 24/7 reading all comment threads and I know that the thread you are referring to WAS moderated with Ken’s comments and some of yours and others that were involved.
We try to make prudent judgement calls and do our best.
I will leave the use of “bo jangles” up to Jill’s discretion.
Do not judge a book by it’s cover. Whether it’s skin color, this case, or – dare I say it? - ken. We are not robots. We are only human. When we see an opponent as in the wrong, we tend to fall back on ridicule rather than strict arguing, because we would go crazy to think of what we consider the evilness of the other side.
None of us are perfect. Let’s not call someone racist because we don’t like their debating style.
Excerpt from Minister Louis Farrakhan’s Speech at the Million Family March
October 16, 2000
FARRAKHAN: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
(APPLAUSE)
In the name of Allah, the beneficent, the merciful, we give him praise and thanks for his mercy and his goodness to the human family. The greatest of God’s mercies comes to us in the form of divine revelation sent down through the mouth of God’s prophets and messengers. We thank Allah for Moses and the Torah. We thank him for Jesus and the Gospel.
We thank him for Mohammed and the Koran. Peace be upon these worthy servants of Allah.
I am a student of the most honor Elijah Muhammed, and I could never thank Allah enough for his intervention in our affairs, raising up among us one to lead, teach and guide us to the straight path of God, none other than the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. I greet all of you, my dear and wonderful brothers and sisters, with the greeting words of peace, “As Salaam Alaykum.”
….
Now, my dear sisters, I want to say something specifically to you, all the women that are here. Sisters, your womb is sacred.
(APPLAUSE)
Your womb is the workshop of the creator. I want you to hear me clearly. Every human being that we love and admire came from the womb of a female.
How do your prayers get answered? Every one of us say a prayer. And those of us who saw loved ones die from cancer, have not you prayed that somebody would find a cure? Look at the children suffering from muscular dystrophy, from sickle cell anemia, from multiple sclerosis, those suffering from prostate cancer, ovarian cancer, lung cancer, but there are some medicines, but not cures. Wouldn’t you like to find the cure for all these diseases? Where do you think the cure is going to come from? It’s going to come from the womb of some woman, maybe some sister that is in this audience today.
My dear sisters, I understand why you fight for pro-choice.
Because you are tired of men using you for procreation and pleasure, and you want the right to say, “I don’t want this life.” I understand that. But don’t let the extreme ignorance of the male cause you to react in a way that is not good for yourself or the future of humanity. You have the right to choose. Choose well the man that you’re going to give yourself to.
(APPLAUSE)
Make a good choice, sister. Don’t give yourself to a man just because he asks for you. Make sure he’s the right man. That’s pro- choice.
(APPLAUSE)
Now listen, in the Bible it says, “I set before you this day two signs, one of life, one of death. Choose life that you and your seed may live.” Beloved sisters who are listening to me this afternoon, if you are now expecting a new life, I’m begging you, on behalf of almighty God, do not abort that life.
(APPLAUSE)
For that life that you are carrying, I promise you in the name of Allah, that life will be a blessing to you and a blessing to this nation and a blessing to the world. Every woman that is pregnant, put your hand on that life and hear me. I am telling you, in the name of almighty God, Allah, that what you are carrying in your womb is an answer to the prayer for peace.
Because peace cannot come unless there’s a peace- maker, and all peace-makers have come from the womb of a woman. Keep your hand on your womb and say, “I vow what is in my womb to almighty God, to serve him and to serve my people and humanity.” And if you will let that life live, your seed will be blessed from now into the future.
Ella Rae and Elizabeth,
An elderly couple was forced out of their home and into hiding because that thug Spike Lee tweeted their address, thinking it was Zimmerman’s. When Obama speaks of how these people could be his grandparents, I will have a more charitable view of his comment concerning Trayvon. I have no idea if this couple is black or white, or a biracial couple, but that shouldn’t make any difference should it?
Oh, and I’ve done a little googling. Seems that in 2009 fourteen black children died violently within walking distance of the Obama home in Chicago. Any idea if Obama thought they would look like his sons or daughters? How about the 7 black children shot by black gang members while leaving summer school in Detroit that same year? It was around the time the abortionist Tiller was shot and as I recall, Obama seemed much more focused on his shooting. I don’t recall him saying these children would look like his sons or daughters either. Apparently the death of a white male abortionist is more worthy of consideration by President Obama than the shooting of 7 black children.
I’ve about had it with this selective “outrage”.
@Carla: You’re right. I will do that in future, and I apologize again. I should have checked more thoroughly before opening my big mouth.
SPIKE LEE NEEDS TO WAKE UP AND GET ON THE BUS
from wikipedia
Former support for Barack Obama In 2008, Farrakhan publicly supported then-Senator Barack Obama who was campaigning at the time to become the president of the United States of America, at the same time criticizing the United States’ problems.
The Obama campaign quickly responded to convey his distance from the minister. “Senator Obama has been clear in his objections to Farrakhan’s past pronouncements and has not solicited the minister’s support,” said Obama spokesman Bill Burton.
Obama “rejected and denounced” Farrakhan’s support during an NBC presidential candidate debate. Conservative internet sites such as World Net Daily reported that during his February 24, 2008, “Saviours Day” speech Farrakhan had called Obama “the Messiah”.
Quoting in context, Farrakhan had said, “Sen. Obama is not the Messiah for sure, but anytime, he gives you a sign of uniting races, ethnic groups, ideologies, religions and makes people feel a sense of oneness, that’s not necessarily Satan’s work, that is I believe the work of God.”
Following the 2008 presidential election, Farrakhan explained, during a BET television interview, that he was “careful” to never endorse Obama during his campaign. “I talked about him — but, in very beautiful and glowing terms, stopping short of endorsing him. And unfortunately, or fortunately, however we look at it, the media said I ‘endorsed’ him, so he renounced my so-called endorsement and support. But that didn’t stop me from supporting him.”
As of 2012, Farrakhan no longer supports Obama, whom he has since called the “first Jewish president”, due to Obama’s support for the 2011 military intervention in Libya, which Farrakhan strongly opposes due to his own support for Muammar al-Gaddafi.
At a 31 March 2011 press conference held at the Mosque Maryam, Farrakhan warned that the United States could be “facing a major earthquake as part of God’s divine judgment against the country for her evil”.
If Farrakhan doesn’t support Obama-that’s a negator that Obama doesn’t serve the Black community even in the slightest.
“An elderly couple was forced out of their home and into hiding because that thug Spike Lee tweeted their address, thinking it was Zimmerman’s. ”
That’s absolutely horrifying. Spike Lee should issue an apology and then go sit in shame somewhere, possibly be charged with instigating a riot or harassment or something. I don’t agree with vigilantism against anybody, much as I have my doubts about Zimmerman’s “self-defense” claim.
Apology accepted.
Carry on.
And another thing!
Mr. Lee, you are either Pro-Black or Pro-Obama, one or the other!
We need more Black babies, not less.
Los Angeles was 25% Black before PP opened their office in Compton in 1964.
In 2012, 45 years later The City Of Los Angeles is 9% Black.
I would also like to mention, Barack Obama works for White lady, Cecil Richards.
If you want to give him your support, then your working for a White lady too.
BTW; word on the Street out in Hollywood is that 40 Acres and a mule was initially funded by old Jewish dude-to note. Tyler Perry on the other hand, founded the first all Black movie studio. Not Spike LEE.
“Excerpt from Minister Louis Farrakhan’s Speech at the Million Family March”
Reminds me of something I read somewhere:
“Rest assured the devil can do a gentlemanly thing.”
she/he may even speak the truth if if suits his/her purposes.
I agree with many of the sentiments expressed in LF’s monlogue. It is a shame he does not.
“If Farrakhan doesn’t support Obama-that’s a negator that Obama doesn’t serve the Black community even in the slightest.”
I am certain I do NOT understand what it is you are attempting to communicate in the preceding sentence.
Would you please re-state your thought. I am not the brightest bulb on the string and I require addtional illumination.
Hi JackBorsch,
Concerning self defense, I will reserve judgment until all facts are in. Ever heard anyone called a “white” Hispanic as Zimmerman has been called? Well, we have to get “white” in there somewhere to fit the template that this is a random racist killing. Google and you will see the prevalence of black/latino violence which for the most part goes unreported and generates little outrage.
Had this been George Gonzales and not Zimmerman, it would have just been another black/latino shooting, according to former NAACP leader C.L. Bryant who has accused those race baiting has beens Jackson and Sharpton(don’t they have jobs, they always seem to show up on cue), of exploiting this tragedy.
” Barack Obama works for White lady, Cecile Richards”
That’s the most outrageous thing I’ve read all year.
Another error: Tyler Perry didn’t found the “first all Black movie studio”. That was 29-year-old Richard E. Norman:
http://www.normanstudios.org/?page_id=112
“Between 1920 and 1928 at least eight features were produced at Norman Studios in Arlington. Norman Film Manufacturing Co. was probably the most sophisticated production facility of any of the 109 ”colored” film companies formed between 1916 and 1930.
. . .
Instead of degrading racist travesties, these were positive stories featuring black actors described in Norman’s publicity as “splendidly assuming different roles.”
“Concerning self defense, I will reserve judgment until all facts are in. Ever heard anyone called a “white” Hispanic as Zimmerman has been called? Well, we have to get “white” in there somewhere to fit the template that this is a random racist killing. Google and you will see the prevalence of black/latino violence which for the most part goes unreported and generates little outrage.”
Um, I am a white Hispanic, and I refer to myself like that, though I prefer “Latino” to “Hispanic”. But I do agree that the race baiting is accelerated by people focusing on the “white” rather than the “Latino”. I think at least part of the reason this case caught so much outrage is that Stand Your Ground is an awful law, and some Floridians like myself and others believe it needs to be repealed. Another thing is we have seen this kind of thing happen all the time, and we are sick of it. But that’s really just the reason some Floridians like myself are outraged, the national outrage does seem to be race-based.
Hal says: March 28, 2012 at 2:29 pm
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“you must be using different definitions of these words.” [fraud, impostor]
Hal,
Unless you are using one of those new postmodernist wiki-dictionaries where the meanings of words change with the whim of the moment, then I am sure we are in complete agreement on the definition of the two words.
fraud:
1a : deceit, trickery; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right b : an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick
2a : a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor; also : one who defrauds : cheat b : one that is not what it seems or is represented to be
impostor: one that assumes false identity or title for the purpose of deception
marriage 1 a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law
(2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage>
Notice that ‘marriage’ and ‘same sex marriage’ are NOT equivlents and the defintion of ‘same sex marriage’ has to be qualified in order to make the distinction between the two.
The term ‘same sex marriage’ is an excellent example of an oxymoron. ‘same sex’ and ‘marriage’ are mutually exclusive terms.
To pretend otherwise is to pervert the english language. But now we are back to changing definitions to suit the whim of the moment.
Mary, Obama was asked for his reactions to this case on Friday, March 23. He did not bring it up on his own, he did not issue a statement. He responded to a question at a press briefing.
Spike Lee made his infamous Tweet on the very same day. Do you really think Obama knew about this Tweet and felt he should call Lee out on it? Is that what you think the President is doing? Monitoring Spike Lee’s Twitter? Noticing a crapstorm that hasn’t happened yet? Since then, Obama has not been asked about Spike Lee’s tweet, so he has not had any need to comment. Do you really think he needs to comment on every single thing that happens in America?
No. He was responding to an incident he was asked about.
Your comments about children killed in Chicago vs. George Tiller don’t make any sense. Are you familiar with the either/or logical fallacy? It is when someone argues that there are only two scenarios, and nothing in between exists. Claiming that Obama cares either about the death of an abortionist OR the death of several children is trying to argue using the either/or fallacy. It just doesn’t work.
On Friday, the president was asked a question about the Trayvon Martin case.
He answered the question.
He answered it with empathy, saying that it hit close to home because 1) it is being interpreted as a racially-motivated crime, and 2) he can’t help but hate to think of his own children being gunned down in a similar manner.
I can understand hating Obama’s policies. I really can. But when you focus on absurd claims that he’s a narcissist or that he doesn’t have empathy or is a monster, you automatically lose ground, because the claims are so absurd. You lose a lot of credibility, Mary, when you try to demonize your opponent to such an extreme.
Hi JackBorsch,
I have heard the term “white hispanic” as well but its not usually a distinction that is made by the media. I don’t think its a coincidence that it was now. I heard C.L.Bryant interviewed and he is the one who has pointed out this distinction, and the fact that violence between blacks and Latinos generates little to no outrage. Putting “white” in there gives it the needed racist template that makes race hucksters like that carnival barker Sharpton and media whore Jackson drool. Its something to watch these two prima donnas try to outdo the other.
It is not specified that Obama is biracial, but rather he is the first black president. Maybe that serves a purpose as well.
Floridians may well have some legitimate concerns here but the race hucksters aren’t going to let a “racial” killing go to waste. That is what is so disgusting. Had TM been shot by some driveby shooter who mistook him for a rival gang member, he’s be little more than a crime stat.
But Trayvon WASN’T killed by a someone who mistook him for a rival gang member. First of all, he was in a gated community, so it’s unlikely that there were gangs wandering around. Second, the details of his death are not anywhere near as significant as the fact that no one has arrested the man who shot and killed an unarmed teenager.
“I think at least part of the reason this case caught so much outrage is that Stand Your Ground is an awful law, and some Floridians like myself and others believe it needs to be repealed.”
JB,
Are the other two Floridians who want to repeal ‘Stand Your Ground’ also residents of ‘Living Happily Everafterville’?
‘Stand Your Ground’ aside, it is absurd to believe that a rational person who is being assaulted and is fearing for their life is going to ask themselves will it be ‘legal’ for me to defend myself with lethal force before they reach for their gun.
She/he might as well just give the gun to their assailant and ask her/him to go ahead and put them out of their misery and voluntarily contribute to reducing the overpopulation of Living Happily Everafterville.
Wouldn’t it be preferrable to reduce the overpoplulation of Living Happily Everafterville by killing the criminal?
Ken: Maybe it might be preferable, but killing some else – even if they’ve been alive for a long time – is a serious matter, a last resort.
If you’ve got the gun and he doesn’t, you could ask him to lay face down while you summon the police.
Naturally, these things are a lot easier to talk about than go through at the time.
Ella rae,
I don’t care under what circumstances he said it. I just see this as another example of his narcissism. You perceive it differently and I respect that.
Yes I think Obama should have condemned Lee’s twitter and the tragic result of it. I also think he should condemn the posee put out by the NBPP, you know, those same guys that were caught in the act of voter intimidation but were given a free pass by Obama’s AG. Lee put the lives of innocent people in danger by his appalling act. Like I said Ella Rae, when Obama shows some concern for this elderly couple, then I will have a different perspective. When he has concern for the innocent people that can be harmed by the NBPP, I will also have a different perspective.
Tell me Ella Rae, does my pointing out the media’s and Obama’s indifference to black children killed by black gang members a little unsettling to you? Where were those prima donnas, Sharpton and Jackson when these children were shot down like dogs? MMMMM?
Why didn’t anyone in the media care enough to ask the president what he thought of these killings? Maybe what you should be outraged over is how little our media concerns itself with the deaths of black children, unless of course its “racial”, then they have a field day.
This killing is a “racial” killing which can be exploited for all it is worth, and is. Like the situation with the lacrosse players, we would all do well to take a deep breath and get our facts first and foremost. Some may be very disappointed to discover that his doesn’t fit a racial template after all.
No, it wasn’t unsettling for me. It just seemed inaccurate.
Ella Rae 7:43PM
Were you there? I wasn’t so I prefer to reserve judgment. So, if TM had been mistaken for a gang member and mowed down by a car full of thugs, that wouldn’t have been so bad? Apparently a lot of people would have just chalked him off as another crime stat. Just like they do any number of other black children who die violently.
I understand this neighborhood was middle income and racially mixed, and I heard nothing of it being gated. There had been a rash of robberies.
The police may have evidence that cannot be made public. Life has taught me the best way to make oneself look like a total jackass:
1. Shoot off your mouth
2. Get your facts
Because I have been taught this lesson more than once, I prefer to reserve judgment and wait and see if others are going to end up looking very foolish.
Ella Rae 8:12PM
It wasn’t unsettling? I hoped it would be.
Mary, I could buy that if people who were asking people to reserve judgment went after the people who assume that Trayvon must have done something to bring death down on himself with the same gusto that they do the race baiting people. I haven’t heard condemnation from anyone except the race baiters about people calling him a thug (kid doesn’t have a record, however Zimmerman does) or assuming that he must have attacked Zimmerman (which, without proof, sounds a lot like victim-blaming).
And Ken, I am not going to respond to your posts directed at me, because you give me a headache with your assumptions.
ZZMike 7:57PM
Or someone may not graciously do as you ask and tackle you instead with the intention of dispatching you into the next world with your gun. Or they just may lunge at you and beat you senseless. Or they could pistol whip you. Or they may make threatening moves toward you.
Hi JackBorsch,
Getting the facts, however unpleasant, doesn’t mean anyone “deserved” to die. There are two sides to every story and I think hysteria and a rush to judgment is every bit as wrong and unfair as suggesting TM “deserved” what he got.
Do you know for a fact he didn’t attack Zimmerman? That he didn’t go for his gun? I have no idea. Do I know that Zimmerman didn’t deliberately shoot TM? No clue. Does bringing out some unsavorty facts about TM explain the possiblity of a violent confrontation?
No we shouldn’t demonize people, but we shouldn’t deify them either. To understand a situation may mean bringing up some unsavory facts.
Let the prosecutor, police, grand jury, and whoever else is involved do their jobs.
Ella Rae,
I stand corrected, Zimmerman did live in a gated community.
“Getting the facts, however unpleasant, doesn’t mean anyone “deserved” to die. There are two sides to every story and I think hysteria and a rush to judgment is every bit as wrong and unfair as suggesting TM “deserved” what he got.”
Granted. I have made hasty judgments, I’m not perfect at all, but it still isn’t right.
“Do you know for a fact he didn’t attack Zimmerman? That he didn’t go for his gun? I have no idea. Do I know that Zimmerman didn’t deliberately shoot TM? No clue. Does bringing out some unsavorty facts about TM explain the possiblity of a violent confrontation?”
No, I don’t and you don’t. We do know that Martin was (at the very least, initially) weaponless, and that Zimmerman had a gun. We do know that Zimmerman told the 911 operator he was following Martin. According to Martin’s girlfriend, Trayvon was aware that a strange man was following him. One witness claims that they saw Martin beating Zimmerman on the ground, while another claims that Zimmerman was standing over Martin’s dead body directly after the shooting. Zimmerman claims that he was heading back to the vehicle after following Martin when he was attacked, but that’s not corroborated, and the girlfriend’s claims seem to contradict that. Those are the few facts.
What I don’t like is the evidence that indicates that Zimmerman might be overzealous, possibly with a bad temper (multiple calls to the police over things like neighbors leaving their garage doors open, police record of resisting an officer, etc), is ignored by people who react to the race-baiting. While evidence that Martin was a teenager that did dumb stuff (suspended for marijuana, like a gazillion other teenagers) is blown out of proportion and make him look like a thug and a horrible person.
I wouldn’t fault Zimmerman for trying protecting his community, and I think it’s quite possible that he got into a situation and panicked. I also think it’s possible that Martin hit him first, which I don’t see how people think it’s a completely unreasonable response to being followed in the dark. It’s tragic either way.
“Let the prosecutor, police, grand jury, and whoever else is involved do their jobs.”
Eh, that will be the day in Florida.
Hi JackBorsch,
I am the first to acknowledge I flat out don’t know what happened and as such I make no claims of anyone’s guilt or innocence. There’s contradiction, inaccuracies, and new info coming at us all the time. For example, TM wasn’t this skinny little schoolboy but a 6 foot strapping teen. Zimmerman has a police record. Some of TM’s twitter activities were questionable.
I’m afraid we’re left with little other option than the prosecutor, et.al. doing their jobs. In the meantime we should dispense with the lynch mobs.
Maybe we can get the NBPP to go after the gang members in Chicago who gunned down a six year old girl as she sat on the porch with her mother.
“In the meantime we should dispense with the lynch mobs. ”
Aye, of course. I honestly find it disturbing how quickly people decided Zimmerman deserves to die and they are quite upfront about it. That’s not justice and not the way it works.
JB
I really didn’t expect you would enter into a dialogue with me.
It is enough that you took the time to let me know you weren’t interested in corresponding with me.
At least I know you read some of what I wrote.
Mary, I wasn’t unsettled by what you say is Obama’s indifference to the deaths of those children, because I haven’t seen anything to imply indifference. If someone had said, “Hey, how do you feel about the deaths of those kids in your neighborhood?” and he had replied with, “Meh, not really my concern,” then that would be indifference. Saying, “Let’s focus on more important things” would be indifference.
Not making a public statement about something does not equal indifference.
That’s what I’m talking about with the either/or fallacy.
Ella Rae,
A president does not have to answer every question. I’m sure you’ve noticed that politicians are usually quite good at that. Nixon was roundly criticized for expressing Manson’s guilt. A president should stick with the “innocent until” meme.
Obama’s narcissism is not a narrowly-held opinion. He’s a record-setter for the number of “I”s and “me”s in his speeches.
Jack,
Going back and hitting someone who had followed you a little earlier is “a completely unreasonable response.” If that happened it sure makes Zimmerman prescient in saying he looked like “he was up to no good”.
Anyone sick cyco who sponsors a child stalker , child killer such as george zimmerman needs to meet the same fate as him when the hammer comes crashing down him after april 10th 2012 . –thank you dept of justice for restoring fate back into the justice system. the american people have spoken.
Ella Rae 10:13PM
The media didn’t even think to ask him about the deaths and shootings of these children? No surprise there, they didn’t seem to even bother reporting them. Hey, just another bunch of crime stats.
Also Obama found plenty to say about Tiller.
s.h.a.r.p. 1:05am
Were you there as a witness to this shooting? Do you know if the “DOJ”, the same one that turned a blind eye to voter intimidation, also plans to investigate the recent gang shooting of a six year old black child in Chicago as she sat with her mother on her front porch? I believe 10 other young people died in gang violence that weekend as well.
Why am I so terribly reminded of the film Crash by this incident, its fallout — and this thread?
It’s an impressionistic gem of a film I’d recommend to anyone troubled by what we’re seeing on all sides of this lamentable spectacle.
Rasqual, 10-4 on Crash.
Mary: Also, that idiot Spike Lee apparently tweeted the wrong address, which may put innocent lives in danger.
No doubt it’s a pain in the butt for the people at that address, but lmao….
rasqual says:
March 29, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Why am I so terribly reminded of the film Crash by this incident, its fallout — and this thread?
I have not seen ‘Crash’ but I would nominate ‘Amos and Andrew’ with Samuel Jackson and Nicholas Cage as better example of ‘life mirroring art’. Especially the part where the race baiting pastor and his rent-a-mob civil rights activists accidentally burn down Samuel Jackson’s new home while demonstrating their support for the oppressed Pulitzer prize winning author. Hillarious spoof on stereotypes.
Four US women charged in Amish beard-cutting attacks
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/four-us-women-charged-amish-beard-cutting-attacks-230011076.html
Now, how can liberals spin this into some sort of republican war on women or hate crime.
testing
Doug 12:48PM
Do you think its possible that some nut job thinking that its the Zimmerman residence might put a bullet through the front window? Apparently the couple that live there felt they had reason to be fearful. So yes, I think innocent people were put at serious risk.
Hi Ken 5:45PM
Sounds like these women have about as much respect for the First Amendment as our president.
Another thing Doug,
Even if he tweeted the right Zimmerman address, don’t you think this would put the safety of innocent members of Zimmerman’s family at risk? Spike Lee’s disregard for the safety of innocent people was appalling. Also let’s hope that any nut cases out there got the message that this was the wrong address. I don’t know about you but thousands of total strangers having my address, some of whom may not be mentally stable, would be no laughing matter to me.
Well now here’s a real knee slapper. Roseanne Barr has just tweeted the real address of George Zimmerman’s parents to several thousand people. I know these Hollywood people for the most part have IQs that barely register, but this is unreal.
Oh, but Ms. Barr, overcome with a sense of deep concern about vigilantism, retracted the tweet. Trouble is the address remains in messages in her twitter stream.
I’m sure this will be nothing more than a pain in the butt for the Zimmermans.
What even more of a knee jerk laugh now is that this child killer george zimmerman is now begging for money for his cover up crime. what a double crime!
Justice: “Child” leaves off when people get to be 11 or 12. Trayvon was 17.
All we really know are the bare facts: Zimmerman shot Martin. We don’t know what led up to that. People like Jackson and Sharpton don’t care. All they care about is that they’re back in the news,a nd they get to whip up some more race hatred.
Child stalker, Child Killer George Zimmerman CHARGED! Faces LIFE in Prison for the stalking Death of Trayvon Martin.
Let this be a warning to sponsors of child killers that you too will meet the same fate as george zimmerman if you ever decide to follow his sad foot steps. let this be a leason in this American chapter—- YES!- the American People have spoken!
Dude, he was charged. He hasn’t even been tried yet. If he gets off, won’t your face be red?
While it is amazing that the Left sees it wrong that Trayvon Martin was killed, how come they don’t see it wrong when thousands of innocent unborn babies are killed in America every day, many of them black?
Double standards are my biggest pet peeves.
Peace to all of you,
~~** Alyssa Cumella **~~
The unfortunate – and incomprehensible – thing is that they regard the fetus as simply a “glob of cells”. That’s why they think that abortion is a “health issue”, and campaign for an end to executions of criminals who have committed grisly murders.
Is it a malfunctioning bot?!
Somebody’s off his meds again.
Just put police tape around his comments until the Mods Squad gets here. Not a very AFFAble fellow.