Case against KS Planned Parenthood for illegal late-term abortions continues to unravel
What happens when a corrupt state governor, Kathleen Sebelius (pictured above left), and her hand-picked court system collude to stall a case so long the statute of limitations runs out?
And what happens when that same state governor’s health department shreds evidence in that same case?
And what happens when a prosecutor with nerves of steel is replaced by a prosecutor with nerves of spaghetti?
All three combine for death by a thousand cuts of a rock solid case against Planned Parenthood of Overland Park, Kansas, for committing illegal late-term abortions, failing to report abortions of minors, and falsifying documents.
What were once 107 criminal charges – including 23 felonies – filed by former AG/State Attorney Phill Kline (pictured above right) in 2007 for an investigation he launched in 2003 against PP has slowly been reduced to 32 misdemeanor charges, and counting – the wrong way.
From the Associated Press, August 2:
A Kansas judge on Thursday dismissed 26 misdemeanor charges against a Kansas City-area Planned Parenthood clinic, honoring a prosecutor’s request to further narrow a criminal case over allegations the clinic performed illegal late-term abortions….
Thirty-two misdemeanor charges remain, covering 16 abortions the clinic performed, also in 2003, but starting in July, when a state law took effect extending the deadline for pursuing charges to five years after an incident….
For the 16 abortions covered by the remaining charges, the clinic faces one misdemeanor count each of not properly examining whether the fetus was viable and one misdemeanor count of performing an illegal late-term abortion.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
And for this Sebelius gets promoted.
How long Lord, how long??
i don’t understand why it is homicide if a pregnant woman is murdered but abortion is legal… smh -_-
I really can’t wrap my head around why Liberals are so adamant about abortion. What’s the desired end results?
Would would want a liberal gonad for a brain!!
“i don’t understand why it is homicide if a pregnant woman is murdered but abortion is legal.”
Because the fetus is not defined, in legal terms, as a “person.” No person – no murder.
Ole Kathy won’t have that smug look on her face when she faces her ultimate day in court with her maker. Be afraid Kathy,…be very afraid.
“Ole Kathy won’t have that smug look on her face when she faces her ultimate day in court with her maker.”
But if there’s no “maker” or if the maker has different views from yours, what then?!
Welcome to Narnia:
It is time to fight the evil White Witch.
Sebelius has a sick and twisted mind…fits well with the Obamanation!
Once this is settled and Sebelius and her friends are brought in to face the music, it may be a good idea to make sure many copies of all the information related to this are preserved for later.
Considering what pro-aborts refuse to believe now, it would not surprise me in the slightest if, a few years after it’s settled, they and many other people simply refuse to believe that something this blatantly corrupt would have been allowed to continue for this long.
Or maybe there was never much of a “case” to begin with and the original prosecutor (who has since been indefinitely suspended from practicing law) launched a bogus investigation for his own political benefit.
Joan – the only reason charges keep dropping are due to (fraudulent) expiration of the statute of limitations and document shredding, certainly not for lack of evidence.
“i don’t understand why it is homicide if a pregnant woman is murdered but abortion is legal.”
Because the fetus is not defined, in legal terms, as a “person.” No person – no murder.
CC — I believe that Courtney was referring to someone being prosecuted for murder or the pregnant woman AND the fetus as has happened before. There is quite the contradiction there. It is something that has always bothered me as it is saying it is murder if wanted and “choice” if not wanted.
“But if there’s no “maker” or if the maker has different views from yours, what then?!” – cc
Yes, cc, we are all secretly worried that the creator of the universe and of all life is going to be upset that we spoke and acted for the most defenseless and helped women who needed support. I know He will ask me why I didn’t do more.
If there is no creator, He will have to tell me that Himself, because that is the only way I would ever believe it. =)
I’m going to go with the Creator of the Universe is against murder, whether or not people believe a person is a person or not.
Like I tell my secular family and friends when decide to be nasty, if there “isn’t a God” I’m good, if God really is there you got problems.
As Maestro says “Considering what pro-aborts refuse to believe now, it would not surprise me in the slightest if, a few years after it’s settled, they and many other people simply refuse to believe that something this blatantly corrupt would have been allowed to continue for this long.”
Sounds like a bunch of Holocaust deniers.
A related aside:
Priests for Life is now joing the many organizations that are suing the government of the HHS mandate (another initiative of the White Witch).
The fact that Priests for Life will be forced to follow this mandate is the starkest example that shows that this mandate is about eliminating all opposition to the “reproductive rights” crowd. A worldview/religion (United Church) is being established and imposed on every American citizen by the US government.
Phil kline is a criminal. He is not a lawyer with the nerves of steel, rather a bully who knows as long you do what appeases anti-abortion mafia you will be rich. Look at his disbarment and that will tell you the whole story.
“anti-abortion mafia”
I’ll add that to the list of cool band names.
You think Jill’s never done any stories about the disbarment? We know all about it. Just another reason we support him so much. When FIVE DIFFERENT MEMBERS of the Kansas Supreme Court had to recuse themselves…that’s some pretty deep-seated and obvious corruption, buddy!
Joan sez:
“Or maybe there was never much of a “case” to begin with and the original prosecutor (who has since been indefinitely suspended from practicing law) launched a bogus investigation for his own political benefit.”
-Joan: do you think it is OK, a woman’s choice, to abort a fetus at 22 weeks? At 27 weeks?
There are cases of babies surviving when born at 22 weeks. Field, Dorling, Manktelow, and Draper (BMJ 2008) reviewed very-preterm outcomes and found of those born at 21 weeks, 20% survived to discharge, 40% of those born at 22 weeks survived, and 60% of these born at 25 weeks survived.
The case is complicated, but it sure looks like there was solid evidence that these babies were aborted outside of the state’s law, post-22 weeks gestation.
To hear that this may have happened ought to prick up the ears of any humane person, even godless liberals, who supposedly are the advocates for the oppressed and the voiceless.
These humans would be walking among us right now. They were beyond the “blob of flesh” zone. But that is a specific case. To support this act generally is bizarre.
@Lifejoy please save the sarcasm to someone stupid. Americans are too afraid to call it like it is so yes there exist the Anti-Abortion which the congress should investigate, but is too afraid because they know might cost them the election.
@Xalisae Please the Anti-abortion industry doesn’t care about corruption as long as it other side and even those corruption cases are far-fetched. Phill is criminal and anti-abortion industry supporting them shows they love their criminals. If you are not corrupt then you will never make it in the pro-life movement because if you can’t tell lie and exagerations then how will show your pro-life attitude
Steve,
Face the truth. Planned Parenthood builds abortion mills to kill babies. Which part of that is a lie or an exaggeration?
Truthseeker, Even if your name says truthseeker you don’t believe in seeking the truth. Abortion and killing babies are two different things. The lie that all Planned Parenthood does is abortions. Look at the facts rather believing in Anti-abortion lies. Abortions are tiny percent of what they do and since Jill Stanek the PseudoActivist believes that women’s healthcare should be second class that’s why she came up this hogwash. If she tried to print this in a regular newspaper the editor would reject it based on absurdity’s written in the article and full fledge support for a criminal named phill kline
@Steve
PP did 332,278 abortion procedures in 2009. Abortions cost between $300–$950 for the first trimester. You do the math. That’s not a “tiny percent of what they do.”
steve the n00b
Dewayne, Yes Planned Parenthood did that many abortions. Again that is not the majority of what their organizations does when it comes to women’s healthcare. Abortion cost the organization $164,154,000. If 15% of your business revenue came from a certain customer odds are good that you would see that a tiny percent also not major significant part of business. So by all accounts you have no idea what you are taking about rather repeating lies of anti-abortion industry
Rasqual,
I think you should look up definition of the word noob before you define someone with it. Being Pro-life is the real definition of a noob and if you want evidence then look up what the pro-life say and then look at the facts you will see a difference between what they say and what really happens
Steve, you can’t even SPELL n00b right. ;)
That you’re a n00b to arguments with pro-lifers is obvious when you start yammering thus: “The lie that all Planned Parenthood does is abortions. Look at the facts rather believing in Anti-abortion lies.”
Please quote any influential pro-lifer who claims that “all Planned Parenthood does is abortions.” No? Can’t find any?
As I said — n00b.
Rasqual,
Your comments are the reason why I like you guys. If I am wrong about the spelling them prove it? you can’t because I am right. Look up any pro-life website or even Lila Rose claims that all Planned Parenthood does is abortions. So save your stupidity for the pro-life people because odds are good that they will believe you and stop being a noob just like all the pro-life people
Lila Rose claims that all Planned Parenthood does is abortions.
{{citation needed}}
Navi, if you have internet look up google Lila Rose qoutes and you will find with it without any problems
lol, from where? RH Reality Check?
That’s not how it goes. When you make a claim, you have the burden of proof. It’s not up to me to do the work for you.
Steve
300+950=$1,250/2=$625 assuming this is the average price per abortion
$625 * 332,278 (abortions) = $207,673,750 (abortion revenue) - $164,154,000 (expenses) = $43,519,750 (profit). So $43 million in profit is not bad for a “non-profit” organization. That is a NPM of 21% which is not bad at all for non-profit organization. Does PP pay tax on this profitable service? Do they have to spend this surplus by the end of the year? Do they return any of this money to the women they charged? Why is a non-profit organization profiting so much from its non-profit services? Instead of giving worldwide grants ($1.6 million in FY2011) – [break, my son who is not aborted, just gave me a big hug] - why doesn’t PP help the poor women of America out and stop charging so much for abortion services if they truly believe poor women are in such dire need of their services?
In the 2010 annual report PP says that abortion services make up 3% of its services (customers/clients served not dollars) but that was based on 11 million “discrete clinical interactions.” PP only served 3 million individuals that year. From 3 million individuals PP was able to induce 11 million “discrete clinical interactions.” Either PP really knows how to upsell or they sure know how to massage the numbers. PP needs to start giving business lessons to all the Electronic retailers who try to sell extra-warranty coverage to no avail! If we assume all of the 329,445 abortions done in 2010 were not repeat customes (which is fairly reasonable given that we are only talking about one year here) then just in terms of services (not dollars) abortions represent at least 11% of PP’s business services.
Furthermore, PP’s “support services” (management and fundraising) comprised 16.5% of its total expenses. That number could definitely be lower.
xalisae, Reality check is when Pro-life groups and church claim that they are doing something productive. When in fact what they are doing in reality destroying lives and take pride in their destructive behavior. I get a huge laugh too when pro-life people claim that they care about human when the reality they don’t and as long as they are pro-life they never will.
Navi, “When you make a claim, you have the burden of proof”. I did cite you the source ” google search” and type “Lila rose Planned Parenthood”. Afterall your pro-life people always make up lousy stuff all the time and never cite sources. I mean read all the comments and this article none of those comments are cited with credible sources or any sources are cited. So please I cited the same way your industry does things.
Steve, I don’t know why you felt compelled to bring up “church”, I’m not religious myself. How exactly do I “destroy lives” by being pro-life? Please explain it to me, because all you’ve done here is throw out numerous accusations and very little substance.
Hey Steve,
Being pro-life is being productive. Pro-choice is all about destroying lives. Here’s another observation: the sky is blue.
Steve is almost certainly very young. He doesn’t seem to understand the distinction between supplying specific sources for what one claims when asked to, versus merely talking about what you happen to hold true without citing sources for every proposition in your post.
Steve, I suggest you cite a specific source for any specific claim you make when asked. And certainly expect a comparable citation from a specific source when you call someone out on a specific claim they may make.
When you make a claim, it’s rightly presumed you have reasons for holding to that view — reasons which may be laid out for evaluation. There may be empirical evidence. There’s always reasoning of some kind — deductive, inferential, whatever.
It’s fine to rant, but it’s jejune to act as if posting a Google search is a great way of supporting your assertions.
Steve: “if I am wrong about the spelling them prove it? you can’t because I am right.”
No, Steve. The proof is simple. Anyone on this board can see that your spelling of “noob” is using unicode 006f, which is the letter between ‘n’ and ‘p’. However, “n00b” is properly spelled with unicode 0030, which is the number that comes immediately before ‘1’.
Oh you CAN spell it that way, true enough. But the fact that you show no intuitive understanding of what I’m asserting, nor could see with your own eyes that I was spelling it with zeros when correcting you, suffices as evidence of extreme n00bness. You’re such a n00b that you can’t even say “it’s perfectly fine to spell it both ways.” You’re utterly incognizant and unteachable. Ergo, a n00b.
Q.E.D.
“Look up any pro-life website or even Lila Rose claims that all Planned Parenthood does is abortions.”
Liar. Name one. Cite just one. It’s your claim, and if you can’t demonstrate the truth of what you’re saying you’re just a liar.
As I said — a n00b. Which is, in case you didn’t know, different than a newb. In other words, this is not you. I figure maybe a cross between this and this.
Xalisae, Please save your breath by saying silly things. Read all these other comments all they do make accusations without substantiation. Read this stupid article by Jill Stanek again accusation without substantiation. Church’s are huge part of the pro-life industry that’s where people learn that women are second class citizens and that’s why pro-life people sympathize with men that beat their wives rather than the victim. So what if you are not religous being pro-life means you are working hard at making women second class citizens.
HansJohnson, I agree with you sky is blue. Where you are completely got it wrong is being pro-life is productive because name one thing that pro-life people have done that saved lives. I mean bombing abortion clinics, taunting abortion clinic employees and passing TRAPS is the only thing I have seen so far that pro-life industry has done so facts are this being pro-life is destructive not productive
Rasqual, Do you just enjoy name calling and acting immature. I mean so far you have not done productive but name calling. I have cited sources just like the way your industry have cited sources so save the stupidity for someone else. I mean do you know the definition of the word stupidity. Pro-life has never cited any source when they are asked and they just play the persecution card or accuse the person of bias. I didn’t rant, but rather provide factual information unlike the lies the industry that you support has told the America. Lies like Abortions lead to Breast Cancer LIE, Planned Parenthood’s are mainly located in minority neighborhoods LIE, abortion lead to mental illness LIE. If you are going to post another unitelligent rant you will prove to everyone that you’re utterly incognizant and unteachable. Ergo, a n00b. I am not a liar if I want to learn how I will just talk to LiveAction and they teach me proper way to lie and fool people like you afterall you are defending their untelligent rants by the pro-life people
Hahahahaha! Steve, you’re a hoot. Thanks for the chuckles.
Lrning, I will make you laugh even harder. “Pro-life people tell me that they are pro-life because they care about human life”. Boy did that give you the chuckles or what. You want to meet some real hoots join a pro-life or go to church you will laugh so hard at what they say that you think you are a comedy club.
steve: You have not supplied a single source in support of your claim that pro-lifers claim Planned Parenthood only provides abortions.
Not one. Not one link to any source that demonstrates this.
Ergo, you are either deluded or a liar. But you can make me eat those words. Just provide a link demonstrating what you claim.
n00b. It’s not an “insult.” It’s a description.
Steve.
Let me know when your testicles descend, so we can have a grown-up conversation with fewer run-on sentences and better overall comprehension on your part.
Xalisae, Please save your breath by saying silly things. Read all these other comments all they do make accusations without substantiation. Read this stupid article by Jill Stanek again accusation without substantiation.
If you’d been coming to Jill’s blog longer than you’ve been in freshman year summer school, you’d realize this article is actually linked to quite a few other articles about this very subject, since she’s been covering it for a number of YEARS. Check the tags, read the other associated articles, and see what you can learn. Learning is fun-‘Cuz knowledge is power!
Church’s are huge part of the pro-life industry
ChurchES are a part of the Pro-Life Movement, but have been integral in a good many scientific endeavors throughout history. Do you also reject the entire scientific discipline of genetics, since Gregor Mendel was an Augustinian friar? That would be quite foolish on your part, son.
that’s where people learn that women are second class citizens and that’s why pro-life people sympathize with men that beat their wives rather than the victim. So what if you are not religous being pro-life means you are working hard at making women second class citizens.
Aaaaand…now you’re asserting that 1.) apparently only religious people can be Pro-Life-even though you’re in the process of conversing with one who is not 2.) there are some sort of Pro-Life Re-Education Camps around the world that instruct us that women are “second class citizens” which is the reason we cite exclusively for maintaining a Pro-Life worldview even though we tell you quite plainly it is ONLY because abortion kills a child, and 3.) we “side with men who beat their wives rather than the victim” even though nothing of the sort has ever been stated here-EVER-and everyone here was nothing but supportive and helpful to me when I needed help leaving my physically and sexually abusive ex-husband.
If you can’t see how much of a complete DUMB@$$ you are being, there is no help for you.
Rasqual, Me calling your acts stupidity and immature were not insults either just describing what you are doing. I did not take you calling me a n00b an insult either I mean you are pro-life so name calling is your first instinct. I am saying that in a calm, rational manner. I see that you have a problem with rationality. What’s the next thing your are going to say calling black people N****r is not an insult rather a description of black people. Catherine Aidar a former planned parenthood employee also writes on lifenews a wing of LiveAction was qouted in this website that you and your pro-life people are making fuss about on what I am not doing. http://redalexandriava.com/2011/11/23/confirmed-david-englin-lied-about-planned-parenthood/. “Rose: Planned Parenthood Using Breast Cancer As a “Front” To Garner “Public Funding For An Abortion Business.” During a February 3 appearance on CNN contributor Dana Loesch’s radio show, Rose accused Planned Parenthood of using “an issue like breast cancer, which has hurt so many American women, they’re using this issue as a front to get — garner public support and public funding for an abortion business”. First is a link and second one is cut and paste I did from the internet. I am sorry that I caved into the double the standard of pro-life because no one has ever cited any source when the pro-life industry make up BS. Rasqual you should enjoy eating your words. Learn to think and write P.S That was a advice that you have never learned or heard.
Xalisae, I don’t think you should accuse me of something you yourself are doing without any shame. My advice to you is please act like a grown up before you accuse someone else of not acting like a grown up. So far I am the only rational voice in this forum. Facts are that pro-life groups have always turned a cold shoulder to women in abusive situations. Look up pro-life group supporting laws that weaken domestic abuse. Pro-life politician weakening domestic violence laws such as a law in New hampshire that a woman has to be seen getting beaten by her partner in front a police officer in order for him to arrest the person a bill that was supported by LiveAction.
What bill is that? The “Steve Made Up This Bill Of 2009”? Cite sources, then I might believe you. Until then, I’m standing with the people who helped me get out of an abusive relationship with a man who thought my daughter should’ve been killed by an abortion in utero.
that’s why pro-life people sympathize with men that beat their wives rather than the victim.
The man that battered me also pressured and threatened my life if I would not abort our child.
I must admit I’m a newbie to the word “noob.” I thought it was a troll subspecies – a new troll. It would’ve been a terrific Dickens name.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=noob
Xalisae, I am not pro-life so what incentive do I have to make stuff up. Look up house 1581 and 1608 in New Hamsphire legislation of 2012 which was sponsored by a pro-life republican. Luckly pro-choice advocates shot the bill down. Violence Against Women Act which is a federal law that protects women in domestic violence situation the renewal of this bill was opposed by Family Research Council, Concerned Women for America, Eagle Forum, and the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission all them pro-life groups. I mean there are more pro-life people that opposed if you want me to name them.
Steve: Your citation does not support your claim. Do you intend for your remarks to be understood using normal rules of grammar, syntax, and word meanings? Or do you just think everyone here is an idiot?
You spoke of “The lie that all Planned Parenthood does is abortions,” telling truthseeker to “Look at the facts rather believing in Anti-abortion lies.”
Yet you have not cited a single pro-life source that claims that “all Planned Parenthood does is abortions.” Not one.
Do you know the meaning of the word “all,” Steve?
“Rasqual you should enjoy eating your words.”
The irony of this triumphalist pap, coming from a guy who rants irresponsibly then claims non-supporting citations vindicate his irresponsible words, is exquisite.
So yes, you are a liar, Steve. Not an insult — a description sustained by your failure to substantiate your claim that a pro-life “lie” is that “all Planned Parenthood does is abortions.”
Suggestion: Go and learn some basics before engaging pro-lifers here. Also learn how to use the English language in argument. If you don’t want your words to be meaningful in conventional ways to people — if you wish them to infer something other than the obvious meaning of what you actually say — let us know, OK?
Steve, your inept attempt to support your idiotic assertion linked a site that claimed that “97% of Planned Parenthood’s services to pregnant women are abortions.”
TO PREGNANT WOMEN.
97%.
It made no claim about PP’s services to other women — WHO OBVIOUSLY WOULDN’T BE ELIGIBLE FOR ABORTIONS BECAUSE THEY”RE NOT PREGNANT.
Furthermore, the author linked directly to a PP pdf that spells out exactly what services PP provides. Why would s/he do that if s/he were claiming that “all PP provides” is abortions? Which s/he didn’t do.
Dude. You are so far off the chart. You can’t support your assertion. You just desperately go off googling and come back empty.
Stop that. It’s beneath human dignity to act so foolish.
give me the quote that states what you just said specifically, steve! I have 2 kids to take care of, so unfortunately, I do not have time to pour through a many-page long bill to BACK UP YOUR POINTS FOR YOU.
Rasqual, Either you are on drugs or you have completely lost your mind see a psychiatrist in case you haven’t realized. You do realize that your irresponsible ranting and name calling has proven how unproductive and immature you are. If you believe in human dignity then stop acting so foolish. The irony of your rant is quite exquisite on the fact you can’t even argue with facts and so far are too lazy to look up the facts. I did a support my assertion same way pro-life has supported thier assertions, but you are too stupid or retarded anyway I am enjoying this way more than you are. The facts are simple I provided you with the source just like the way you guys have provided the source. Facts are simple the pro-life doesn’t see planned parenthood as nothing but abortion and pro-life industry keeps hammering it because there is no logical explanation of going after Planned Parenthood if you think Planned Parenthood provides other stuff. I went googling and come back with citations that you guys claims didn’t exist. So stop your rants because you lost this debate, but you keep yapping away thinking that you have point. You don’t have a point I provided evidence just like the way LiveAction come up how Planned Parenthood is Racist or engages in Gendercide or in sex trafficking all them lies and you so far you have an industry that believes in these lies. Lila came back empty handed on her accusations yet people in this industry call it investigation. If you are pro-life then you are a liar because you are part industry that says that you care about human even though there is overwelhming evidence that you don’t thus lying people to that you believe in the sanctity of human life. I recommend when doing research prove your evidence with facts and use proper english with punctuation and grammar. Look forward to hearing more of you illogical rants.
It’s hard to take Steve seriously when everything he types sounds in my mind as if it’s being read by Skwisgaar Skwigelf.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpcE9QgqnPQ
Xalisae, if you can take Jill Stanek and the pro-life industry seriously then you shouldn’t say that kind of stuff. I mean seriously the pro-life industry is as serious as santa claus. BTW the bills I am talking about are not long rather to the point about how men of who commit domestic violence should be protected so if you have time to read my post i am pretty sure you could have taken that time to look up the bills and see the how pro-life is working to protect wifebeaters
If they’re not that long, it should be very easy for you to find the part supporting your statement and copy and paste it then, eh?
hu
These groups the Family Research Council, Concerned Women for America, Eagle Forum, and the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission fought against VAWA aka Violence Against Women Act all of them pro-life groups. http://legiscan.com/gaits/text/507520 & http://legiscan.com/gaits/text/507561 these are bills that were brought on pro-life republican and got killed thanks to pro-choice people. This will enlighten how pro domestic violence pro-life people are
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No, dumbass. I mean copy/paste the parts of the bills that say what you’re claiming they say.
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Xalisae, in other words you are too lazy to look it up yourself and believe in the lies that pro-life tell you well thank you
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Brian Burch
President, CatholicVote.org
“Planned Parenthood’s charade has finally been exposed, and the abortion giant simply cannot be trusted any longer with taxpayer support. The evidence against Planned Parenthood continues to mount. The newest hidden camera investigations show Planned Parenthood staff putting pimps and abortion ahead of women and their health. Planned Parenthood leadership must be held accountable and a thorough investigation of their entire organization is needed. Big Abortion is the last place taxpayers should be investing their money”. .
1608 didn’t make it out of committee because the bill’s sponsor didn’t show up twice in a row for hearings on it.
As for 1581, it looks as if the concern was to reinforce 4th Amendment protections in a state where that was unusually at issue.
Your SBC link explains why they fought against it. Clearly it has nothing to do with their being “pro domestic violence.” Did you read it?
Steve, you did NOT provide any citation that shows pro-lifers asserting that “all Planned Parenthood does is abortions”. If the link you cited supports that claim, quote the relevant material. I found nothing. Your claim is yours to prove, not mine.
You’re lying, Steve. No one at that site or anywhere else has claimed that “all Planned Parenthood does is abortions”.
Lying.
Demonstrate otherwise.
Are you posting here because you imagine that liars will be credible? You’re greatly mistaken.
Steve, what on EARTH is with the random quotes? Are you just fixated on stuff and imagining that by some kind of Spock mind transfer, your umbrage will transfer to others here? You have to say credible things in an intelligible way.
As for the burden of proof, please learn:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_burden_of_proof
Other people aren’t lazy in the case that THEY SANELY FEEL NO OBLIGATION TO PROVE YOUR POINT FOR YOU.
Dude.
The role of others is to examine what you offer. You’re not offering much. You just seem to believe that what’s in your mind will be magically self-evident to others.
Dude.
edit: to be fair, your post of 9:27 at least let folks here know what the heck you’re talking about, generally speaking, by providing links to bills. So thank you. But those links don’t support any point you’ve been trying to make. You’ll need to reason that through and/or provide further evidence in support of your concern.
Rasqual, I am trying to post things that are relavent material to your illogical rants again. The qoute was to disprove your point and show yes pro-life only think of planned parenthood in terms of abortion nothing else. but for some odd reason I am not able to post it. I as always believe in Practice what you preach and teach that your fellow pro-life how to because you and your fellow pro-lifers have provided me with a burden of proof that you care about human life. Again stop lying that pro-life cares about human life because they don’t
You said “The lie that all Planned Parenthood does is abortions. Look at the facts rather believing in Anti-abortion lies.”
That’s kind of incoherent, since the principal claim is a sentence fragment. But a good faith reading is that you believe that pro-lifers lie by claiming that ALL PP does, is abortions. That’s the ONLY thing they do. That’s the meaning of those words.
If you’re a responsible adult, Steve, you’ll welcome being held accountable for what you actually say. You have not demonstrated that any pro-lifer ON THE FREAKING PLANET believes what you claim is some general “anti-abortion lie,” which sounds as if you’re believing it’s something believed by most or all pro-lifers. Yet you’ve not found ONE who claims that the only thing PP does is abortions (which is what “all Planned Parenthood does is abortions” MEANS).
You’re welcome to mea culpa and calibrate your claim. That’s respectable, sane, reasonable, and, I’d think, the thing to do about now. What say you?
Do you actually mean that “pro-lifers rail against Planned Parenthood without esteeming the services they provide other than abortions”? Is that your actual point, which you merely expressed carelessly?
Not to mention, hurling accusations of “YOU LIE ABOUT PLANNED PARENTHOOD’S RACISM AND GENDERCIDE!!!!” when those are both things that actually happened, and have been shown to have happened by uncut footage of it happening…shows you don’t have the best relationship with reality.
“pro-life industry”
LOL. steve or STEVE, whatever you call yourself now, you seriously think there’s lot’s of money to be made in being pro-life. I can assure you, the only related thing that could be called an industry is on the other side.
I’m guessing Steve is entirely new to dialogue with pro-lifers, and comes stoked from some oddball progressive site(s) that traffic(s) in common caricatures of the pro-life movement. Lacking actual acquaintance with the movement’s exponents, he advances the caricatures as if they were reality, and the responses from pro-lifers “don’t compute.” He doesn’t know how to handle evidence to the contrary of what he accepted as true on the authority of propagandists he trusted.
But by “evidence” I don’t really mean substantive rejoinders by pro-lifers, advancing significant points of their own. I mean the kind of negative evidence that the pro-life people themselves turn out not to be the weird bogeypersons he’s been led to believe they are. And in fact, they’re capable of schooling him precisely because he trusted lying demagogues, borrowing their talking points uncritically not because of such points’ positive value as established propositions, but because as a tenderfoot he was incapable of gauging their veracity.
That’s my utterly gratuitous cyberanalysis of Steve, FWIW.
Maybe steve’s typing only with his thumbs?
To: Mr. STEVE ALLCAPS,
I didn’t get one red cent from anyone for not aborting my daughter. I don’t get anything from standing outside clinics trying to keep other children from that same fate. I don’t make money spreading the same message around the internet. This is not an “industry”. It definitely is not an industry as far as I know.
What I DO know is, if I HAD aborted my daughter, I would’ve had to pay someone for that “procedure”. Killing her in utero is what would’ve cost money, and fed an industry. Now…who do you think would’ve collected on that?
My mother used to work for an OB/GYN who did abortions. He started doing them because he was developing an alcohol problem and his business was going under because he owed a lot of money to a lot of ex-wives. He started doing A LOT of them. My mom used to try to show abortion patients a file they kept in the office that was about 1/2 an inch thick FULL of wealthy families just looking for babies to adopt. They wouldn’t let her show that file to the women coming in for abortions, because it took money from the abortion business the doctor was running. My mom quit because she didn’t want to be a party to a child-killing business.
Which side sounds like an “industry” to you?
Doe: If so, his keyboarding skilz are seriously lacking.
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with thumbs?
Perhaps it’s a coded message.
Wait, is this another Paladin thing? :-)
“Wait, is this another Paladin thing? :-)”
You know, I have been wondering right from the beginning whether or not steve was completely sincere. At times he did appear to be paradying a rabid abortion supporter.
Will someone please check the professor’s quarters, and drop by the lab to see whether there’s an inexplicable toxic mess of some sort?
Xalisae, first you refuse to look at the facts about how pro-life is working to weaken domestic violence laws then you tell me to see show cut and past tape of LiveAction hoax videos. I understand that you are a token pro-life whose job is to act like pro-life is tolerant, but you should also learn to live in Real World. I am sad that you are repeating the pro-life lies to me.
rasqual, read the SBC website before you ask me if I read it because I read it and if you read it and you are against domestic violence then you can see how they are against laws that are against domestic violence
Rasqual, You such a hoot that I laugh each time you write something. Because you lack the intelligence to write something legible. Verbatim of the anti-abortion industry is what you keep saying and when I write something contrary to your brainwashed mind you retrieve to immaturity and name calling. So far I have schooled every single one of you and you guys have retrieved to taunting. I wouldn’t be doing this if I didn’t care about about you guys . Go to Pro-life michigan planned parenthood agenda and prolife action on how planned parenthood is all about abortions nothing else.
JDC, You should interact with rabid pro-life people. What they lack is maturity, rationality and hard time dealing with evidence that is contrary to their brainwashed minds. I am on the other hand mature, look at the evidence in an obejctive manner something pro-life doesn’t believe
Steve,
Kindly stop using “pro-life” as an adjective when you mean to use it as a noun. There are no “50-cents” around here.
Flight of the Conchords:
“Where’d you get that preposterous hypothesis? Did Steve tell you that perchance? Steve.” *shakes fist*
But I think I might’ve finally found out who our rhetorical sparring partner is!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNoucWX5QCw
Xalisae, first you refuse to look at the facts about how pro-life is working to weaken domestic violence laws then you tell me to see show cut and past tape of LiveAction hoax videos.
You can’t copy/paste video, Steve. Do you know what “copy/paste” means in a technological setting? I wanted you to copy/paste the text from the bill which indicated that women would need an officer to actually witness abuse before an arrest would be able to be made.
You’ve conflated that request with my statement that your accusation that LiveAction lies about what they’ve uncovered at PP facilities is unfounded, since they’ve posted uncut video from their undercover campaigns on their website. It’s pretty hard to “lie” and “heavily edit” UNCUT VIDEO, Steve.
I understand that you are a token pro-life whose job is to act like pro-life is tolerant,
Yes, Steve. Jill Stanek built me in her basement and signs my paychecks. You clever thing, you, to have discovered our ruse!
but you should also learn to live in Real World. I am sad that you are repeating the pro-life lies to me.
Are you kidding?! I wouldn’t be caught DEAD on MTV!
xalisae, LiveAction owns these videos. They have not given their tapes to a independent person to prove that they are indeed uncut because they know they would be caught in a lie. I mean think about it their job is to show planned parenthood as bad so they have to come up a product that does that. Pro-life lies and I am sorry that you have been brainwashed yourself into it believing their lies. Knowledge is power you should broaden your horizons because you have made it clear you refuse to educate yourself unless pro-life tells you. It’s hard to Lie and Uncut video well look at James O’Keefe Lila Rose’s idol and teacher.
rasqual, Man you are a mess. Because I have never seen anybody behave this crazy.
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in case if you care these letters were written because I was unable to post things so I typed single words to see if they would post it. Since you guys don’t care, but I am about educating you guys than taunting and saying retarded things that you guys indulge in.
All I can say about is that you are very naive, insecure, immature and brainwashed person who has never explored the real world and don’t want to because any evidence that is contrary to your brainwashed head your retort has been name calling and taunting. I see that you have hard time with veracity and reason why I say is that your propensity to do verbatim’s of the pro-life.
That’s by objective analysis of you from the things you have written so far
Rasqual, only pro-life people have proven to me that Liars are credible. look at the amount of credibilty you have given to LiveAction and Lila Rose. I mean they are the definition of pathological liars, so stop your whining because pro-life groups is the only place where lying has credibility. If you lie about planned parenthood pro-life groups give you credibilty
@rasqual: lol
steve/STEVE: you came onto a pro-life blog and you are wasting your time. Do you actually think you’re going to change my and others minds about wanting to protect humans in the womb? We believe your views are extremist. We believe it’s extreme to kill a human in the womb. No matter what the circumstances. I and the other proponents for innocent pre-born life on this blog would not wish any girl/woman to be raped or conceive a child from an incestuous situation. This is absolute evil. But, it is not the fault of the child who is conceived. We believe killing a human in the womb is evil.
I think steve/STEVE is a random phrase generating bot.
I always liked “Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer” from SNL. But “Unfrozen Caveman Pro-Choice Teen”, not so much. Steve’s affection for the word “retarded” tells me he’s a very young pup.
And don’t ask him to cut and paste, x. I fear he may try to eat some of the latter. Ba-bing!
Type? No, Steve. I suspect your “thumbing”. Do us all a favor and sit on them. Ba-da-bing!
Steve: “look at the amount of credibilty you have given to LiveAction and Lila Rose.”
I dunno, Steve, how much credibility have “[I] given to LiveAction and Lila Rose”?
Tell me, Steve, how much *I* have given. Please cite as necessary.
“I see that you have hard time with veracity and reason why I say is that your propensity to do verbatim’s of the pro-life. That’s by objective analysis of you from the things you have written so far”
Dude. At this point, you’re scaring me. You’re incoherent while claiming others are. This is really, really bad.
“Go to Pro-life michigan planned parenthood agenda and prolife action on how planned parenthood is all about abortions nothing else.”
So CITE it, Steve. That’s your obligation if it’s your claim. What part of onus probandi do you not understand?
You can’t, Steve, because you’re lying. If not, it’ll be simple for you to demonstrate. It’s your obligation since it’s your claim. Others are not obliged to waste their time hunting about for what you seem to have obvious knowledge of.
X, we’re beatin’ our heads ag’in a wall.
“I mean they are the definition of pathological liars”
Do you have literally anything to back up this claim?
I’m not sure Steve is actually able to respond to such questions. :-/
I brand Steve thusly.
Actually, the incoherent quote of Steve I cited reminds me of nothing more than Spamland. The first is classic, but the second reminds me more of Steve. A superb analysis of the first here, though I note the author’s image links are now broken. Argh.
Rasqual the retard, Yes you are a retard because you sure go out of your way to prove how incoherent and retarded you are when you write. Do you even comprehend what you are writing or you just get angry and go on a rage. Anyway you sure entertain me like noone else. I made the claim and pointed to source and you refuse to look so that means you don’t like to know the truth. You shouldn’t be accuse me of lying when you refuse to look at the truth. Lets disect your first illogical rant that you think I came up empty handed. The pro-life women did not mention anyway how planned parenthood provides other services than abortion. You pointed out pdf of planned parenthood which was irrelevant because we were talking how people who are pro-life only wants people to focus on abortion and planned parenthood you claim that pro-life people don’t say that. “It made no claim about PP’s services to other women” exactly my point. Lila Rose comment, the Catholic Pro-life comment , pro-life Michigan planned Parenthood agenda, Pro-life Action all of them that I posted only showed how pro-life only see planned parenthood is about abortion you couldn’t comprehend that. Rasqual so far all I have to say you are definitely incapable doing research, finding the truth and responding in a intellectual level :-)
JDC, Did you read this article because Jill could not prove corruption thus lying that the former governor is corrupt.Rose: Planned Parenthood Using Breast Cancer As a “Front” To Garner “Public Funding For An Abortion Business” again a complete lie, but who cares as long as she taunted planned parenthood RIGHT!. Planned Parenthood engages in racism, sex trafficking, is into gendercide all of them lies, but carried on because the bud of the put down is planned parenthood. Again go to the LiveAction website if you want evidence of their lies
raqqual, “we’re beatin’ our heads ag’in a wall”. I think that was one of the catalyst that helped you become a pro-lifer. Rasqual your retardedness was proven when I cited the sources and you said “Others are not obliged to waste their time hunting about for what you seem to have obvious knowledge of”. They are not hunting, but rather looking at the evidence. So stop lying that I did not provide evidence. You are a proven liar because you can’t substantiate that I did not cite a source. Since I see all those Likes next to your comment proves that lying on this blog does get you credibility. I told the truth which is why I can’t be pro-life
You are a proven liar because you can’t substantiate that I did not cite a source.
Prolifers, I think we have entered the Twilight Zone.
Hiya, Bijoybalan.
For those interested, some of Steve’s finer work can be found at Live Action’s blog. I would strongly suggest not feeding the troll.
“I would strongly suggest not feeding the troll.”
But the results are so funny! I want to see how long this thread can go on for.
JDC: “But the results are so funny! I want to see how long this thread can go on for.”
I’m not sure if this the proper word, but I’m going to say that your comment “inspired” me to write this.
” … and welcome back ladies and gentlemen to day 14 of our continuing coverage of this story that has popularly dubbed the “Troll Tournament’, as per our online viewer survey. We have our reporter Phil in the field covering this story, Phil, for the sake of those just now tuning in, could you please describe what’s been happening?”
“It’s actually very simple; for reasons that are not yet clear, a man … we’ve seen him around here before … he’s been repeatedly throwing himself against this brick wall … this brick fence you see behind me. He seems to be trying to talk … trying to communicate with a number of people on the other side.
The confusing part is that there is a door … there is a clearly-visible gate not ten feet … just over here … there is a gate in the fence.
… oh … ok, we’ve just had it confirmed that this man did indeed build this fence. So, this is his fence … this is his fence, so we can only assume that he knows about this gate. he would also know that it opens … even if it were locked, he would have the key and could open it.
But as you can see, the gate is already open … it’s been open pretty much the whole time. It was opened by … the people on the other side of the fence opened the gate very early on … they made sure the gate was open, and have even tried to persuade him to use it. There are other people here too, who have also tried to get him to use it.
But he seems to get very angry … he gets upset whenever anyone mentions the gate. A few people tried asking him … we were wondering why he doesn’t use it and why he gets upset whenever anyone points at it. In response, he would run at the fence again … he would hit the fence again.
Analysts have been trying … so far, they have been unable to determine the exact motive for his actions. There are a few theories that have been put on the table … some ideas that could explain this, which I believe are included on our site online if anyone wishes to read them.
We also have medical personnel on the scene … we’re not sure how much damage he has done to himself by hitting that fence repeatedly. There is some concern … we know that the people on the other side of the fence are concerned for his well-being. As many of our viewers know, we’ve seen this type of behaviour … we’ve had people throwing themselves against their own walls before … we don’t know how long this will continue, but we do have medical assistance here if we need it.
That’s where we are now. You can stay tuned for further developments or you can follow the story on our online site. for Channel 3 News, I’m Phil.”
“Thank you, Phil. We will be returning to this story in just a moment, but right now … ”
XD
“Abortion and killing babies are two different things.”
Steve, Are you trying to say that women get pregnant with something other than babies or that abortion isn’t what kills the babies?
Maestro, that was hilarious! I’m honoured to have inspired that!
JDC, I agree it is funny for me also. I mean when I read the stuff you and your pro-life friends write what do you think I do. Laugh my head off I mean think about it. You guys have never said anything on internet that can be taken seriously so this more funny than let’s say stand up comic. JDC as long as you remain pro-life you will keep me entertained with your trolls. JDC I am glad you, rasqual and other troll are taking this as a full time job.
steve,
why didn’t you answer my question? Maybe cause the truth just gets in the way sometimes?
JDC, I agree it is funny for me also. I mean when I read the stuff you and your pro-life friends write what do you think I do. Laugh my head off I mean think about it.
Are you sure that in the midst of these laughing fits you are getting enough oxygen to your brain?
truthseeker, Women cannot be pregnant with anything, but human fetus. You are removing a fetus which a licensed medical practioner is qualified so that you can save patient’s life. That is different than a human baby. Abortion is a medical procedure that is done to save a women’s life. Abortion’s can range from spontaneous to induced. If the procedure is not done then a woman’s life is in danger, now if you think it is OK for a woman’s life to be in danger so that your agenda could be fulfilled that may explain why you are pro-life. Learning the the truth has definitely gotten in your way looks like. I glad I enlightened you like you have never been before.
Xalisae, Don’t you think you should ask yourself if you have a brain. I mean read the stuff you have typed. You really don’t think when you type these things do you. Anyway if you have a brain please use it because haven’t done it so far.
Steve:
You say: “I made the claim and pointed to source and you refuse to look…”
Then you say: “You pointed out pdf of planned parenthood,” and you note that I observed that your source “made no claim about PP’s services to other women.”
So how does this work, Steve? In one breath, you say I “refuse to look.” In the next breath, you address the content I examined when I looked. So did I look, or did I not? Better question: Is Steve capable of coherence and intelligibility, or not?
You said that pro-lifers claim that ALL PP DOES IS ABORTIONS, and yet no source you’ve cited says that. So now you’re changing your claim to the amazing, shocking observation that the only thing pro-lifers think about, in addressing planned parenthood, is abortion. Wow! Whodathunkit! People who oppose abortion are focused on the abortion services provided, and not other things! Gee, pro-lifers are so weird for concerning themselves with the thing they’re concerned about, instead of spending their time congratulating Planned Parenthood for other things having nothing to do with abortion.
Steve, I suppose you’d stand up in a court and rant that the prosecutor is an idiot for focusing only on the perp’s crimes, when after all there are a lot of other things he’s done than merely the crime.
Can you see how ridiculous your dramatic point is?
Rasqual the retard, do you know what “beating a dead horse” means. That’s what you are doing. Just admit that you are wrong and completely irrational or that you just enjoy trolling and we will call it good. You are a liar to claim that I never cited a source. ”I suppose you’d stand up in a court and rant that the prosecutor is an idiot for focusing only on the perp’s crimes, when after all there are a lot of other things he’s done than merely the crime.
Can you see how ridiculous your dramatic point is?”
Isn’t that what you have been doing since you started your illogical rant. Keep trolling because I want more entertainment
Rasqual the retard, do you know what “beating a dead horse” means. That’s what you are doing.
Yes, rasqual, please stop beating the dead horse of illustrating how stupid STEVE is! I’m stuck in a fit of laughter, and I fear for my own cognitive capacity!!! LOL!!!
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“Abortion is a medical procedure that is done to save a women’s life.”
Steve, Planned Parenthood commits more abortions than anybody else. Virtually NONE of the abortions committed at Planned Parenthood are done to save the life of the mother. They are done to kill unborn children that are living in their mother’s womb. How is it possible to have a rational dialogue with you about abortion when you cannot even acknowledge such basic truths?
Seriously, TS? He said that? Does he not realize that around 98% of abortions are COMPLETELY ELECTIVE?! Really?!
According to Guttmacher:
“• The reasons women give for having an abortion underscore their understanding of the responsibilities of parenthood and family life. Three-fourths of women cite concern for or responsibility to other individuals; three-fourths say they cannot afford a child; three-fourths say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or the ability to care for dependents; and half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner.[7]”
Now…where do you see “BECAUSE I WILL EFFIN’ DIE!” in that list, STEVE?
Steve The Troll: “You are a liar to claim that I never cited a source.”
I didn’t say you didn’t cite “a source,” doof. I said the source you cited didn’t support your claim.
But who cares! You’ve clarified: you’re astonished that pro-lifers are mostly concerned with the abortions Planned Parenthood does, and little else.
Go. Freaking. Figure.
Who’d. o’. thunkit.
Next, steve will tell us that ice is cold, air is common, and water is wet.
Steve,
Just curious. Were Tarzan or Tonto your English teachers?
Rasqual, Again you lied that I didn’t cite a source that supported my claim whereas I did. Ergo, you are a liar. Do you believe that tell lie a long enough and it will become the truth because that’s what you keep doing. If pro-lifers really are only concerned with Planned Parenthood doing abortions then why do they want to shut down the clinic, deny them federal funding and state funding to the whole organization.
Xalisae, Thank for proving your stupidity. Please don’t call other people stupid when you take so much pride and joy in your stupid comments and utter lack of intelligence.
truthseeker, ” How is it possible to have a rational dialogue with you about abortion when you cannot even acknowledge such basic truths”. That is exactly what I am thinking when you wrote “ Virtually NONE of the abortions committed at Planned Parenthood are done to save the life of the mother”. Do you think and do research before you write this or do verbatim of the pro-life industry.
Hansjohnson, When I talk to pro-lifers I have to talk like Tarzan or Tonto was my english teacher because I have to talk in way that pro-lifers will understand.
Oh heck with it, press the troll’s buttons: “Again you lied that I didn’t cite a source that supported my claim whereas I did.”
Your claim on August 7, 2:29 PM, was that pro-lifers perpetrate “the lie that all Planned Parenthood does is abortions.”
And no, you have not cited a single pro-lifer anywhere on the planet who says that ALL PP DOES is abortions.
And you know that.
To substance: “If pro-lifers really are only concerned with Planned Parenthood doing abortions then why do they want to shut down the clinic, deny them federal funding and state funding to the whole organization.”
Two reasons. First, because funding is fungible. Second and more importantly, because organizations that kill unborn human life should not be funded involuntarily by taxpayers. Obviously you’ll disagree with the second reason. And I’m sure you don’t understand the first.
Bot.
rasqual, your lie still hasn’t become truth. So let’s leave it at that you are running on empty. Secondly I want to know what makes you think that no pro-lifer would say that all Planned Parenthood does is abortions even I cited sources that proves otherwise. If your answer is going to be something like I know for a fact we will end this discussion as you trying to win a losing arugment
Rasqual, I love what a troll you are. “I’m sure you don’t understand the first” are you saying that get a rise out of me because it didn’t rather it made me laugh at how hard you work at being a troll. Keep repeating the lie that “funding is fungible”. Only pro-lifers will believe that lie
Trolls be disagree with most on board. You be the troll. Ugh.
steve: “Secondly I want to know what makes you think that no pro-lifer would say that all Planned Parenthood does is abortions even I cited sources that proves otherwise.”
Simple, steve. I’ve never seen a pro-lifer claim that ALL PP DOES IS ABORTIONS. And neither have you. And your source didn’t say that ALL THEY DO is abortions.
If so, QUOTE THE CLAIM ON THEIR WEB PAGE. I didn’t say “link to” it. I said QUOTE IT.
You can’t. THAT’S why I ”think that no pro-lifer would say that all Planned Parenthood does is abortions” — because I have no evidence of that, not even from the guy who claims it’s what pro-lifers generally think. Yet no evidence from anywhere that even one does.
Dude. Lean back in your chair and think about what you’ve done, and haven’t done, for a minute. You’ve linked to a site that says some things. It accuses PP of providing abortions to most of the pregnant women who seek out PP services. That’s not at all claiming that ALL PP DOES is abortions. The site doesn’t even imply that, much less explicitly say as much.
I’ll return to something I posted your way five freakin’ days ago: ” Do you actually mean that ‘pro-lifers rail against Planned Parenthood without esteeming the services they provide other than abortions’? Is that your actual point, which you merely expressed carelessly?”
You didn’t answer. Is that your actual point? Because if it is, you should have said THAT, instead of claiming that pro-lifers believe that PP provides only abortion services.
Troll.
Hans: All his base are belong to us. Set up us the bomb.
Rasqual,
Unleash the worms of Arrakis!
LOL
Rasqual: “All his base are belong to us.”
Dang it, Rasqual, you’re making me feel like a nerd because I am now compelled to extend that with the following:
As you may recall, that same character said shortly afterwards, “You have no chance to survive make your time.”
I’m thinking this could be applied to Steve’s attempts at debate by replacing the words “chance”, “survive”, and “time” with something else. Problem is, I’m not sure which words fit best.
Maybe … “source”, “cite to”, and “case”?
I don’t know, what do you think?
As long as this thread keeps going, I may as well do my part to enhance its usefulness or at least its entertainment value. :-P
Xalisae, Thank for proving your stupidity. Please don’t call other people stupid when you take so much pride and joy in your stupid comments and utter lack of intelligence.
I’ll take that as, “I’m sorry, xalisae. I have no excuse for my insulting ignorance, nor do I have any rebuttal to your citation of Guttmacher Institute to contribute to this discussion. I concede.”
I’m in ur base!
Rasqual, Poor Rasqual. Your ego got bruised:-( oh well. At least you are successfull in trolling. Atleast you have a legion of followers who believe in your lie. So smile your lying has legimtacy in pro-life.
Xalisae, Again you show your stupidity and show your utter lack of comprehension of things. I suggest you research rather repeat verbatim’s of the pro-life industry. Thank you
lol!
Amount of time I’ve known rasqual: Maybe a year or so.
Amount of time I’ve been into Pro-Life activism: 5 years.
Amount of money I’ve earned from “the pro-life industry”: None.
Amount of money my mom tallied in the books of her boss who worked in the abortion industry: hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Education I’ve completed thus far which has aided me in my Pro-Life endeavors: A semester of College Biology, and literally countless essays, articles, and studies completed by independent researchers and Pro-Life doctors and Ph. D.’s (here’s my favorite thus far, STEVE, it’s by Dr. Dianne Irving, M.A., Ph. D. : http://www.l4l.org/library/mythfact.html )
So, there’s your research.
Thanks!
Xalisae, I am glad you have shown me what got you brainwashed and your inability to think in a critical and rational manner.
I’m sorry, STEVE, but you’ll have to be more specific. What about what I stated implied that I was “brainwashed” and lacked the ability to “think in a critical and rational manner”? Did I cite anything that was not relevant or had any basis in fact? By the way, I didn’t even mention WHY I got involved in Pro-Life activism in the first place, just the research I’ve done for myself and the knowledge I had prior to becoming Pro-Life which made that the only direction for me to take. Would you like to know?
Also, this is relevant to the topic at hand:
http://www.prolifeblogs.com/articles/archives/2012/08/documents_from.php
So, yes, it’s not as though we’re just big meanies going after Planned Parenthood for no reason.
Steve seems to think if he keeps throwing random words at us, they’ll eventually make sense. It has not worked so far.
Xalisae: “By the way, I didn’t even mention WHY I got involved in Pro-Life activism in the first place […]. Would you like to know?”
Heck, Lady Xalisae, I wouldn’t mind knowing (and I’m hoping you haven’t already told me and I just thoughtlessly forgot). While I’m pretty sure it wasn’t the dream of one day butting heads with me, Master Hans, or anyone else here, I’m not ruling anything out at this point. :-P
Based on Steve’s responses, I appear to already know more about you than he does, despite the fact that you’ve told him at least twice as much in this thread alone as you’ve told me on this whole site (don’t worry, no offense taken), but more information probably couldn’t hurt; if nothing else, it might expedite future arguments between us. :-D
So … do tell. :-)
Steve: “Abortion is a medical procedure that is done to save a women’s life.”
“If the procedure is not done then a woman’s life is in danger”
“only pro-life people have proven to me that Liars are credible”
“pro-life groups is the only place where lying has credibility.”
“I am on the other hand mature”
*sigh*
So much ocean-front property in Montana to be sold, so few Steves.
Lucky for you, Maestro, I have the blog post about the whole story I can dig up so that I don’t have to type it all out! YAY!
http://eastisallthatsleft.blogspot.com/2012/01/ask-them-what-they-mean-by-choice-day.html
And with that, steve hiked off into the sunset with a whistle and the air of an Olympic champion, thumb pointing west, as the cars zipped by. The rest watched as his silhouette set with it.
The sun would rise again, and the traveller would come to a new town.
The poor sots.
Aww, I’m gonna miss Steve. He reminds me of those fast-talking actors dubbing a bad guy in a martial arts film. “Your lie still hasn’t become truth!” “Again you show your stupidity and show your utter lack of comprehension of things!”
So long, Samurai Steve!
To everybody that cares. I am a missionary to pro-life industry why would I leave when I am here to educate and enlighten people. Come on this is more fun than anything I have ever done.
Maestro, Now you know how I feel When I have to hear
“I am Pro-life because I believe in the sanctity of human life”
“Planned Parenthood targets minority nieghborhoods”
“Lila Rose does undercover investigations” LOL
“Abortion causes breast cancer”
“abortion causes mental illness”
*sigh*
So much ocean-front property in Montana to be sold, so few pro-lifers. That’s what I end up thinking. Finally we have something in common.
JDC, “Steve seems to think if he keeps throwing random words at us, they’ll eventually make sense. It has not worked so far”. You should recommend that statement to LiveAction and Lila Rose not to me because they keep playing random pranks on Planned Parenthood thinking that it makes senses.
I still think steve is a bot. But at least this was good for a laugh:
“I am a missionary to pro-life industry…I am here to educate and enlighten people.”
Hahahahahahaha!
Come on this is more fun than anything I have ever done.
Don’t worry, Steve. Eventually you’ll find that one special RealDoll that was just made for you. For our sake, I hope it’s soon.
“I am here to educate and enlighten people”
Well you’ve educated and enlightened people on how dumb some members of the pro-choice community are. But for the most part we knew that already.
JDC, I am sorry but the word dumb is synonymous with pro-life, not pro-choice. See in order to be pro-choice you have to think, be rational and collective none of these are requirements to be pro-life. As long as you women as second class your are pro-life
As long as you women as second class your are pro-life
I do believe you accidentally the verb.
So here we have “Steve” who has resorted to using derogatory name calling and pointing out how “ridiculous” and “irrational” we are, all the while failing to provide assertions or any evidence supporting his pro-choice viewpoint. (By the way Steve, the general public doesn’t use the term “retarded” anymore to describe those with a developmental or mental disability, it is considered offensive and rude, your point I suppose). He has fallen into the ad hominem fallacy trap.
Steve, come back when you have better than elementary school grade insults and get over your superiority complex, and actually have a rational defense of the pro-choice position. From here on out, I’m going to take liberty in pointing out every time when you use an ad hominem attack or engaged in emotionally abusive behavior, rather than present a logical argument in favor of the pro-choice position (and no, outright name calling or implying that we’re “brainwashed,” “dumb,” or “irrational” doesn’t cut it).
If I asked a dozen pro-choicers if they were “collective” I suspect I’d get a dozen different puzzled answers. And if I then told them we pro-lifers were not collective, I reckon they’d politely remember a sudden appointment they’d forgotten, and beat a hasty retreat from my company.
Hey, what can I say. “ It makes senses.”
LOL
”I’m going to take liberty in pointing out every time when you use an ad hominem attack or engaged in emotionally abusive behavior”
Your days are going to be very busy for a very long time.
BTW, is anyone here looking forward to Sebelius being out of a job next January?
Woohoo!
(I know, I know — don’t get cocky, kid)
As long as you women as second class your are pro-life
Is this why you sit around here constantly verbally abusing and berating women like me, Steve? You want to try to be Pro-Life, and you think that’s how you get to be Pro-Life? You poor, misguided little soul. :(
Steve,
If an abortion needed to be done to save the life of a mother it seems to me that it would be done by a REAL doctor at a hospital and not at a Planned Parenthood where they don’t have facilities or staff trained to handle complications. But if you have any statistics on the percentage of the total abortions that Planned Parenthood does to save the life of the mother I would be greatly enlightened.
Rachael: Have you noticed he’s a reflector? He seems to get his ideas of what to say from what others say. It’s as if he’s an echo personified, or someth… hey, wait a minute. We get our word “echo” from the myth of Echo. Let’s look at the Wikipedia:
Echo fell in love with a vain youth named Narcissus, who was the son of the Nymph Liriope of Thespiae. The river god Cephisus had once encircled Liriope with the windings of his streams, trapping her, and seduced the nymph. Concerned about her infant son’s future, Liriope consulted the seer Teiresias. The nymph asked the seer if her son would live to see the old age of senescence, to which Teiresias replied “if he does not know himself.”[3]
One day when Narcissus was out hunting stags, Echo stealthily followed the handsome youth through the woods longing to address him but unable to speak first. When Narcissus finally heard footsteps and shouted “Who’s there?”, Echo answered “Who’s there?” Confused, Narcissus looked around and upon seeing no one around, asked “Why do you run from me?” which Echo in turn repeats to the young hunter. Finally he says “Let us meet together.” [3] Echo, never being more eager to reply to anyone, repeats “Let’s meet.” To emphasize her words, she exits the woods in order to wrap her hands around Narcissus in longing. He runs away from her embrace and says, whilst running he says “May I die before what’s mine is yours.” She repeats only “what’s mine is yours.”[3] Heartbroken by Narcissus, Echo spent the rest of her life in lonely glens pining away for the love she never knew, crying until all that was left was her voice. However, in other versions Echo cries until only her voice and her bones remain, then turned into stone, roaming forever to haunt the earth.[3]
DOGGONIT, THAT’S STEVER TO A T!
Rachael: Have you noticed he’s a reflector? He seems to get his ideas of what to say from what others say. It’s as if he’s an echo personified, or someth… hey, wait a minute. We get our word “echo” from the myth of Echo. Let’s look at the Wikipedia:
Echo fell in love with a vain youth named Narcissus, who was the son of the Nymph Liriope of Thespiae. The river god Cephisus had once encircled Liriope with the windings of his streams, trapping her, and seduced the nymph. Concerned about her infant son’s future, Liriope consulted the seer Teiresias. The nymph asked the seer if her son would live to see the old age of senescence, to which Teiresias replied “if he does not know himself.”[3]
One day when Narcissus was out hunting stags, Echo stealthily followed the handsome youth through the woods longing to address him but unable to speak first. When Narcissus finally heard footsteps and shouted “Who’s there?”, Echo answered “Who’s there?” Confused, Narcissus looked around and upon seeing no one around, asked “Why do you run from me?” which Echo in turn repeats to the young hunter. Finally he says “Let us meet together.” [3] Echo, never being more eager to reply to anyone, repeats “Let’s meet.” To emphasize her words, she exits the woods in order to wrap her hands around Narcissus in longing. He runs away from her embrace and says, whilst running he says “May I die before what’s mine is yours.” She repeats only “what’s mine is yours.”[3] Heartbroken by Narcissus, Echo spent the rest of her life in lonely glens pining away for the love she never knew, crying until all that was left was her voice. However, in other versions Echo cries until only her voice and her bones remain, then turned into stone, roaming forever to haunt the earth.[3]
DOGGONIT, THAT’S STEVER TO A T!
JDC says:
“Your days are going to be very busy for a very long time.”
Heh heh, that’s ok. Tomorrow is my day off from work & although I’m pretty busy, I can post mobile, in addition from my PC ;) But what I’ve found is that when you start calling out these types of trolls on their bullying tactics and emotionally abusive behavior, they tend to disengage and disappear rather quickly, it’s more or less taking fuel out of their fire.
rasqual says:
“(I know, I know — don’t get cocky, kid)”
LOL at the Star Wars reference :D
Steve,
Face it, you’re not cut out for the misionary position. (Now there’s a contradictory statement!)
Aren’t there some good games you could be playing on that phone your parents gave you?
Rachael, I don’t think steve is that “type” of troll. He’s more bot-like, and impervious to reason. So he has staying power. You should probably examine the taxonomy and know your adversary well before engaging in a battle of wits. The proverbial un-armed man is not so much dangerous as inexplicable, and the inexplicable is the stuff of hallucinations and night mares. Beware, I say!
Rasqual,
I’ve actually visited the troll taxonomy site and have seen many different types of trolls over the years on different forums. I’m prepared for whatever nonsense he throws this way and will not back down, time permitting. Caution noted, though.
Ok, Rachel as long as you know what you’re getting into. I have to say, watching steve’s nonsense has become rather enjoyable, I actually kind of hope he sticks around for a while.
I’ve been observing this back and forth with steve (note that no other word like discussion or even debate seems appropriate) – sometimes amused, sometimes confused, and always wondering if he has simply sent way too many text messages in his day or if he has a primary language other than English. Regardless, the issue with the echo is spookin me out. “no, you are!” “no, you!” I am starting to think he is conducting a social experiment, seriously, or maybe I’m just too ummm… “reality-based” to understand.
I think Steve comes here to use rasqual as his own personal Word-A-Day Calendar.
I enjoy coming ’round every so often to poke Steve with a stick like a caged badger. I learned long ago that I would have a better chance getting an intelligent debate out of an actual caged badger. I question his ability to even understand what I’m saying, so it’s not as if I’m hurting anyone by practicing my barbs on him.
Rachel, “I’m going to take liberty in pointing out every time when you use an ad hominem attack or engaged in emotionally abusive behavior, rather than present a logical argument in favor of the pro-choice position (and no, outright name calling or implying that we’re “brainwashed,” “dumb,” or “irrational” doesn’t cut it)”. I glad you believe in double standard because I don’t recall you calling out your fellow pro-lifers for this kind of behavior.
Xalisae, I am glad you have a very creative mind because you have never a came up with a intelligent debate to began with so why should I waste my time talk you in an intelligent manner. “I enjoy coming ’round every so often to poke Steve with a stick like a caged badger”. You have that backwards.
JDC, How about the pro-life nonsense how come you don’t talk about that I mean look at these trolls by your fellow pro-lifers. I enjoy it way more you guys so keep them coming. I laughed so hard when I saw the Lila Rose interview on BBC that my stomach hurt. Now talk about some nonsense by Lila Rose. I surprised that she wants to be taken serious.
Rasqual, Last time I checked your pro-life industry whips out verbatims most of the time another way of saying reflector. So that was funny that you called my stuff reflector when most of the time I hear is verbatim from your industry. All I can say it’s a good thing you have not met me in person because odds are good that seeing my skin color which of course is bad AKA not white. You probably would have gone into a tirade of something like “You affirmative action, food stamp hoarding, welfare depending jungle bunny”. Seeing how much anger you whip out at me it’s OK
Rasqual, Last time I checked your pro-life industry whips out verbatims most of the time another way of saying reflector.
I hope and pray that English is not your primary language. And I am not even religious.
And, you might want to lay off the racial rhetoric, since a few of our commenters here are African American. phillymiss comes to mind off the top of my head. And…have you not noticed that Alfonzo Rachel videos are a very regularly posted here?
Xalisae, I am glad you have a very creative mind because you have never a came up with a intelligent debate to began with so why should I waste my time talk you in an intelligent manner.
Dude, you haven’t answered ANYTHING I said about my mom having worked for an abortionist. You haven’t answered ANYTHING I said about my reason for getting involved in the Pro-Life movement. You haven’t answered ANYTHING I said about my educational level. You haven’t answered ANYTHING.
“Dude, you haven’t answered ANYTHING I said about my mom having worked for an abortionist. You haven’t answered ANYTHING I said about my reason for getting involved in the Pro-Life movement. You haven’t answered ANYTHING I said about my educational level. You haven’t answered ANYTHING.”
Steve doesn’t much like facts so he chooses not to respond to them.
It’s not that I like facts. I love facts. It’s just that you guys have so far shown a lack for learning the facts and putting them in context so why should I waste my time trying to answer your mind numbing statements. ” you might want to lay off the racial rhetoric” Are you not familiar with what got Lila Rose famous in the first place. By playing the race card. Jesse Helms a pro-life senator played the race to help himself get elected by proving how unqaulified minorities get jobs at the expense of qualified godly white people. Pro-life students hosting affirmative action bake sales to you know prove that non-white students are getting into colleges and taking jobs at the expense of qualified godly white people.
x,
Those vinegar badgers are weird, huh?
I’d put the age of this one at about 14.
Bah. The steve-bot has jumped the shark. Nothing to see here folks.
Me too, Hans.
Steve, do you know that Planned Parenthood was started by Margaret Sanger, who was well-known for wanting to exterminate the negro population?
steve wrote:
” I glad you believe in double standard because I don’t recall you calling out your fellow pro-lifers for this kind of behavior.”
Even if they are doing so, that doesn’t excuse your own behavior, which I’ve seen more insults by you than anyone else here in this thread.
steve wrote:
“It’s not that I like facts. I love facts”
Then why haven’t you provided a sound argument defending the pro-choice position, with supporting sources rather than just playing mind games and attacking us for our position. So far, you haven’t proved anything other than that you are a troll just looking to provoke others for fun.
Rachael C, I get it they are excused from emotionally abusive, namecalling, elementary school grade insults. “I’ve seen more insults by you than anyone else here in this thread”. LOL you must reading a different thread and commenting on this thread.
Steve,
The moderators do delete and post warnings to both sides. But that is a point aside. The fact is, your behavior (insulting and name calling) was inappropriate and you are trying to divert the attention away from your own behavior by pointing out others faults, rather than taking responsibility for your own.
steve: “All I can say it’s a good thing you have not met me in person because odds are good that seeing my skin color which of course is bad AKA not white. You probably would have gone into a tirade of something like ‘You affirmative action, food stamp hoarding, welfare depending jungle bunny’. Seeing how much anger you whip out at me it’s OK”
Persecution complex much? No, screw that. You’re not entitled to pity as a victim on account of your race, which hadn’t once come up yet. You’re not entitled to assume others are bigots either. That itself is racially charged beyond belief, and all it does is show that you’re willing to gratuitiously seize on any excuse to think the worst of your interlocutors.
You’ve been taken to the woodshed not because you’re non-white, nor because you’re pro-choice — but because you haven’t substantiated your claims and because you double down on stupid by claiming you have, and for calling folks liars for not acknowledging what you see as some kind of triumph.
Dude. By claiming victim status based on skin color you’ve just earned a lot of disrespect. And being non-white doesn’t entitle to you the soft bigotry of low expectations. You want pity? Deserve it. You want respect? Deserve it. But don’t feign some lame-ass victim mentality on the grounds that a bunch o’ white folk are persecuting you.
Just stop while your hole is only 20 feet deep. Stop digging!
Woah, easy there Rasqual. You can make you point without saying he’s actin’ stupid. I get that you’re sick of him too, but you’re going to negate my point if you resort to his tactics.
Perhaps x’s restraint was for the right reason.
steve, how come you skipped over my post but replied to everyone else’s?
Rasqual,
my first real job was as a teacher’s assistant in an early intervention autism classroom at a special school for children with disabilities so extreme they were ineligible for the special education programs in their local public schools. My favorite student was a cherubic little boy of 3 years old with the sweetest smile who I loved as if he were my own. My first week I was there, I witnessed his self-injurious behavior. When under stress, this little angel child would get down on all fours, on the concrete slab ground with a layer of cheap carpet over it, and proceed to bang his forehead on the ground with all the force he could muster, and the loud “CRACK!” could be heard through the entire classroom. It broke my heart, and there was more than one day I came home and cried in my cot as hard as I could for the adorable child. He was only a year or two younger than my youngest brother that I had helped raise up until the point I had to leave home who I loved a great deal as well.
For a time, I was transferred to the oldest classroom in the school, for young adults. This was the last chance before being institutionalized for them, and most of them had the ability to become VERY violent and dangerous. My favorite student there was a young man (actually only about 3 years younger physically than I was at the time) with severe autism and diminished cognitive capacity. He sat in a chair in the middle of the room because he had problems with people in his personal space, and would often lash out violently at those who got too close to him. Eventually, I became his favorite person in the classroom, and he chose me to make his daily positive reinforcement snack (“cucumber-lemon” or “apple-lemon”, as he called them. Eventually I tried them myself, and I still enjoy them occasionally to this day), and I was the only other person in the classroom besides the teacher, Charlie (tough lady! Former CHP officer, and only the second gay person I’d ever known personally in my life), who he would allow close enough for a hug. One day, out of the blue-and I wish I knew what I’d done that caused this since it torments me to this day-he snapped, lashed out at me, and grabbed me by the hair, trying to pull me close enough to him to strike me as he was taking swings. Eventually the other staff was able to intervene and detain him (we were all well-trained in what is called PRT, or Primary Restraint Technique, which is basically just how to restrain someone without harming them), and I was moved from the classroom. I felt so badly for doing whatever it was that triggered his behavior, since he was one of the students in the class that was the closest to being sent to the institution. I still have nothing but love in my heart for that poor kid.
If I can manage the patience and restraint to weather these storms, I’m certain I can find as much for Steve in passing.
Rasqual, I didn’t say you will. I said odds are good that you will say that based on your reaction and how badly I schooled you my friend. Your ego has been bruised we all know that. Your hole is only 40 feet deep and you keep digging while I looking at from the top of the mountain.
Xalisae, thanks for putting apples and oranges in the same box.
Steve,
Again with the superiority complex and arrogance. You haven’t provided a sound argument defending the pro-choice position, with supporting sources or “schooled” anyone, just made unsubstiated claims and launched insults. So far, you haven’t proved anything other than that you are a troll just looking to provoke others for fun.
X: Thanks for sharing. I work IT/MIS in a very similar organization (restraints aye). To this day, looking back on my days in the classroom (mid-90s), I consider the man who acquainted me with this population — the mentor who also hired me — a bit of a miracle worker.
But give me the high schoolers any day. I’d fill in sometimes in our elementary schools, and good grief. They were the toughest customers. Yeah, it’d break your heart for sure.
Steve,
Consider it an early Christmas gift basket, complete with you being nuts. XD
I didn’t know badgers ate fruit.
steve: “Your hole is only 40 feet deep and you keep digging while I looking at from the top of the mountain.”
Ah, but your mountain abuts a subduction zone, whereas my hole taps geothermal forces you can only dream of.
You lose!
Ha!
I win!
“You lose!
Ha!
I win!”
Steve lost the battle long before he entered it.
Shush. I’m trying an experiment in randomness. You’re introducing unwanted variables. ;-D
Rasqual, Boy do have a hard time accepting your loss. I will agree that you are winning in the game of troll. Actually you should teach me how to troll. Because as you can see I have yet to troll on this thread whereas all you and most of your pro-life friends have done is troll
Hans Johnson, “I didn’t know badgers ate fruit” It’s a good thing you are pro-life because that comment is not considered name calling, elementary school grade insults in this thread atleast from what I see.
Rachel C
“You lose!
Ha!
I win!”
“Steve lost the battle long before he entered it”.
“Steve,
Consider it an early Christmas gift basket, complete with you being nuts. XD”
“I didn’t know badgers ate fruit”.
Now please tell me how are these trolls showing me their pro-life position with sound arguments and supporting sources.
Stevie,
Elementary school insults is all you have. Who uses the word “retard” any more outside of an elementary school? The definition of a troll is someone who comes on a site that opposes his opinion to ridicule and name-call and stir up agitation because of their lack of arguing skills.
We’ve both answered your pathetic charges and returned a bit of ridicule.
Badgers? We don’t need no stinkin’ badgers!
Steve,
We already were, but whenever we TRIED to give you a comment illustrating our arguments and position, all you did in your response was to crow about how we are “part of the pro-life industry”, “brainwashed”, or accuse us of lying without ACTUALLY RESPONDING TO WHAT WAS SAID.
So why shouldn’t we just mock you?
Hmm. There are advantages to Steve’s dropping out words randomly. Then I wouldn’t have said “is” instead of “are”. This grammar cop is going to sit in the corner.
Hans Johnson & Xalisae. Boy do you guys know how to entertain me or what
“The definition of a troll is someone who comes on a site that opposes his opinion to ridicule and name-call and stir up agitation because of their lack of arguing skills” Isn’t that what you guys have been doing from the beginning.
“returned a bit of ridicule” LOL Hans Johnson. I am sure you would have been a great lawyer for the SS Guards during the Nuremberg trials. Your argument would have been something like “These are pathetic charges. A bit of the jewish population were killed by the Nazi’s”
”We already were, but whenever we TRIED to give you a comment illustrating our arguments and position”. I love the sarcasm you provided you here
“So why shouldn’t we just mock you” Please tell this to Rachel C because she claims it unacceptable
Again as you can see I can’t troll. You guys are schooling me in trolling
Yes we are. But you still don’t accept that you fit the descrption of a troll.
You can call me Mr. Johnson, sonny boy.
GODWIN! WE WIN, HANS! WE WIN!
I love the sarcasm you provided you here
It wasn’t sarcasm. You’re deflecting. Answer my comments.
Yeah, the comparison stinks. For no other reason than that I don’t wear liederhosen.
Hans Johnson, How about Huns Johnson. That’s more accurate. I have yet to troll on this thread so why should I call myself a Troll.
I sheel for that we all steeply rebut the defensible — though, I trust, lavatory — aspasia which gleams to have selected our redeemed inspector this deceiving.
The madrigore of verjuice must be talthibianized!
We shall not, till we can secure the erebation of all prostundiary initems.
Blunt frippers to pointed bdeluroid.
“I have yet to troll on this thread”
You don’t actually know what troll means, do you?
I haven’t laughed that hard at something posted on the interwebs in a loooong time. Thanks, rasqual!! <3
Steve,
Coincidentally, that’s how one of my cousins used to pronounce my name when he was very young like you.
Rasqual,
I believe Steve is decended from Aspasia’s brother, Aphasia. Nice of you to attempt to communicate in his native Troll dialect. ;)
Actually, folks, that’s a pretty much verbatim literary quote from memory. The paragraphs are not contiguous in the original.
See if you can find the source. ;-)
Yes, there was something C.S. Lewisey about it, but I couldn’t for the life of me remember from where.
“See if you can find the source”
Google has actually made that task rather easy.
“Google has actually made that task rather easy. “
Or is that what you were indicating with that little winking face?
Steve is ignoring me. Could he be Ex-RINO back under a new name?
Steve is ignoring me :( Could he be Ex-RINO back under a new moniker?
I’ll re-post one more time. Maybe steve just keeps missing my posts.
Steve, Planned Parenthood commits more abortions than anybody else. Virtually NONE of the abortions committed at Planned Parenthood are done to save the life of the mother. They are done to kill unborn children that are living in their mother’s womb. How is it possible to have a rational dialogue with you about abortion when you cannot even acknowledge such basic truths?
If an abortion needed to be done to save the life of a mother it seems to me that it would be done by a REAL doctor at a hospital and not at a Planned Parenthood where they don’t have facilities or staff trained to handle complications. But if you have any statistics on the percentage of the total abortions that Planned Parenthood does to save the life of the mother I would be greatly enlightened.
Truthseeker, As I have learned “Truth will make you free”. You have shown an lack for seeking the truth I am not obligated to hold your hand and walk you around. If you were knowledgeable and lived in reality you wouldn’t be making these kinds of statements in the first place. I have also seen how ridiculous you guys can get when I present the facts I am not obliged by law to feed the troll machine
Well, that’s a new one. For every trillion improper uses of the word “a”, somebody improperly uses “an”. Congratulations, you’re one in a trillion!
You might want to read your comments out loud before you add them. If you can spare all those hours.
Hans Johnson, Wow going after typos way to go buddy.
Steve: Shush. I’m trying an experiment in randomness. You’re introducing unwanted variables.
Steve,
That wasn’t a typo. That was a wrong word choice. Like Akin.
HAT TOSSER, The bitterness you have in your system is unreal. It’s time for you to move on and get past the bitterness, anger and see the positive things in life. I mean so far what have you accomplished with all this trolling, nothing but more anger and rage. I mean is this somekind of cyberbullying you are experimenting because I am sure laughing pretty hard at your comments. Listen to Monty Python’s “Always look on the Bright side of Life” that might take away alot of the rage you have.
Sigh. I wish we weren’t in Kansas anymore.
Hans Johnson, you may be perfect at typing. while hitting the space bar I probably hit the “n” accidently.
That was no ‘n’.
Please answer my previous comments.