19 thoughts on “Pro-life video of the day: Obamacare and rationing”

  1. medicaide and medicare is funded by the social security already paid into the system by a lifetime of wage reductions paid by the now recipients of medicaid and medicare. 

    The AHCA will take a quarter of that money away from those people.

    They compose the majority of the voting population, for the first time in our nation’s history.

    This is due to abortion.

    So there is already a fiscal imbalance.
    The aging population is already being neglected by the fiscally irresponsible Obamacare. 

    • The aging are the ones who need medicare more that younger healthy American’s 
    • There are more aging American’s than there are younger healthy Americans.
    • The money taxed out of the paychecks of, and needed specifically for healthcare of the elderly, is ALREADY being pilfered by the lack of resources available to safely impose said, Healthcare’s agenda.

    Romney can’t stop the HHS reform bill, but he can balance it’s budget and begin streamlining the fiscal outcome to be a safe alternative to Obamacare.

    Please, correct me if i’m wrong. 


  2. Addendum:
    “Certain people younger than age 65 can qualify for Medicare, too, including those who have disabilities and those who have permanent kidney failure.”


  3. There is no one addressing the issue of health care in any helpful sense, although the republicans are quite content to allow the private sector to continue limiting access and financially pillaging working Americans.  As for the projected shortages, duh!  Even allowing for the delusions of the right that emergency rooms can provide adequate health care, the fact is that the tens of millions of uninsured use the emergency services infrequently, and as a last resort, and don’t get preventative care, at all.  Adding 30-50 million people to health care, and a huge cohort of rapidly aging boomers, of course there’ll be a practitioner shortage.  Here’s how you fix it; increase nurse-practitioner educational funding, pay for medical school for physicians in exchange for a significant contractual promise to practice in under-served areas; rural, inner city, among the elderly.  Take the parasitical insurance companies and hospital ceo’s out of the loop entirely, gone, bye-bye.  I know what I’m talking about.  I’m an RN finishing his Master’s in nursing, and have been in health care and human services since 1972.


  4. The rationing argument doesn’t make any sense to me. We already ration care. Like a lot. We just do it by ability to pay right now, some 45,000 people die in the US per year because they are unable to access consistent care. We are ranked pretty low for a developed country internationally based on our quality of health care already.


  5. So Hans – 

    The system is not perfect.

    It is more perfect than the system we’ve been living in.

    If you’d like me to address the article or the video, let me know which one.  

    Otherwise, I’ll just say that if you’re looking for the perfect plan, you aren’t going to find it.  If you are looking for a flawed plan with promise, look at Health Care Reform.  If you’re looking at a terrible spiral, look at the status quo which we had.   


  6. Oh, we’ve begun the spiral. You’ll see it in all it’s glory for at least the next four years.
    More patients, fewer doctors. You do the math.


  7. I can’t wait for my son who has a chronic breathing issue to finally be denied treatment so he can die. Thanks Obama supporters.


  8. Hans – So your contention is that we’re better off if a certain segment of the population is not able to afford medical treatment so that those who can don’t have waits – that is your basic argument, correct?

    xalisae – that has a much better chance of happening at the hands of an insurance company without health care reform.  Do some research. 


  9. Ex-GOP,
    The lie of this healthcare detour that Obama took was to alleviate everyone’s concern over rising medical costs. It was not to give a socialist safety net to every single resident of the country.
    No, not only did he ignore the real number one problem of a weak economy with no job growth, he managed to make sure that it would stay stagnant for his entire first term.
    Health costs continue to skyrocket. Obamacare taxes them to ensure they will continue to rise to make worth the while of the companies behind these products and services. Young people who didn’t need or want this care will now bleed the government (and us) dry. Why not? It’s free! Let’s use it or lose it. Let’s go to the doctor for every sniffle.
    Only the doctors will be dwindling. Because what’s in it for them? More patients, but no compensation for them. Is this what they spent more than a decade of training and hundreds of thousands of dollars to do?
    Obama and the foolish half of this country could have followed the motto of their beloved JFK to raise the tide of the economy, so that ALL boats would rise along with it. But no, they have followed their mirage of “equality, fraternity, and liberty” to one end of this Titanic economy.
    And it is upending, and we will ALL wind up underwater.


  10. Hans – 

    Your argument is an odd one.  I’ll ask again – your contention is we’re better off if a certain segment of the population is not able to afford medical treatment so that those who can don’t have waits – that is your basic argument, correct?



  11. Ex do you have any hard numbers on how much it costs to have people seeking emergency treatment because they are indigent/uninsured/underinsured? I can’t find any. I don’t think the rationing arguments make sense (though this might be me just wishfully thinking because I don’t want my asthmatic kid to end up getting sicker), but I don’t know about how much money is projected to be saved here.


  12. Ex-GOP,
    Oh, maybe you think my argument was odd, but I thought the Titanic analogy was rather clever, if I do say so myself.  :)
    You know that emergency patients can’t be turned away. We should concentrate on bringing costs down, which used to be the goal in the last few decades. Jack said the other day that over 40,000 people die because of lack of care. I don’t believe that any more than the tall tale of a comparable number of the homeless dying in the 80s because of big bad Ronald Reagan, or of women dying  that commonly before Roe v. Wade.
    We’ll have plenty of time to examine the drawbacks of Obamacare. I’m too downcast to make a good case against it right now. I take it you’ll be sticking around here for a while now that the election went your way.  (Chagrined face.)


  13. Oh, and Jack. (And xalisae, for that matter.)
    I may be passing on knuckledheaded info, but I gather that drining plenty of water (at least half an ounce per pound of body weight  –  like 50 oz per 100 lbs ) is helpful for practically all ailments.
    Water is supposedly the best and safest antihistamine.
    Dr. Hans (with about the same credentials as Dr. Phil)


  14. Hans – 

    Yes, clever – I enjoyed it.

    On bringing down costs…yes – how about we treat people with preventative care before they get to emergency room situations.  We’re best off when people are healthy, or when we catch a problem when it is minor.

    On Jack’s stat – it came from a Harvard study – 40K don’t die because of lack of care – it isn’t like people are wheeled out to the parking lot – but that is the estimate of how many people die because of lack of insurance.  If somebody isn’t covered, they don’t get health care as a result, and they die (even with last ditch life saving measures) means that while they did get care, they died, in part, because of lack of coverage.  If you don’t believe that some people die because of lack of coverage, ask yourself why anybody gets preventative care?  

    Yes – the election results were positive for some.  And the sun rose this morning in Wisconsin – wasn’t positive from reading facebook.  I’m looking forward to less politics, and more talk about how to actually help create an environment in which women see having a baby as the best choice.   


  15. Well, on that last point, we agree. But I’m still hearing Celine Dion singing the theme from Titanic.


  16. Yeah Hans I do try to get Bryn to drink a lot of water. We eat healthy in my house too, with his vegetarian health freak dad making all the food. ;)
    It will be okay Hans, don’t be depressed.


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