Pro-life blog buzz 12-18-12
by Susie Allen, host of the blog, Pro-Life in TN, and Kelli
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- Big Blue Wave asks some pointed questions to find out if more contraceptives really leads to fewer unwanted pregnancies and abortions. One has to wonder: If the Pill was so successful in the 60’s, would Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton really have been necessary in the 70’s? And why, with the common and increased use of contraceptives so many years later, have abortion numbers continued to skyrocket?
- Abortion in Washington has an encouraging story about Lenette Lindemann (pictured left), director of Life Choices Pregnancy Medical Clinic, who has started the life-saving ImagePoint Mobile Medical Services ultrasound ministry.
- Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life recognizes the 17th anniversary of the day a handful of activist judges decided the state’s Doe v. Gomez case, which “established a new state constitutional ‘right’ to abortion on demand”:
This supposed right would remain protected by the state Constitution even if Roe v. Wade, the 1973 decision legalizing abortion in the United States, were to be overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court.Doe v. Gomez allows abortions for reasons such as “stress” or “discomfort.” It forbids the state to “interfere” in any way with a woman’s “decision making” regarding abortion.”
Today, taxpayer funded abortions account for 34% of all abortion in Minnesota, and more than 58,000 children have been aborted under this ruling.
- Suzy B applauds the naming of pro-life Republican Tim Scott to replace the resigning Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina:
“Congressman Tim Scott’s rise to the U.S. Senate is great news to both the country and the pro-life movement,” said SBA List President Marjorie Dannenfelser. “At a point where our nation is hungry for leadership, Congressman Scott has demonstrated compassion and clarity on the abortion issue, never backing down when asked the tough questions. He has made it clear that defending the most vulnerable is an indispensible first principle in his own political philosophy. We applaud Governor Haley for this choice and look forward to Tim Scott’s pro-life leadership in the U.S. Senate.”
- Live Action takes strong exception to Republican Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (pictured right), who wrote an opinion piece recommending that birth control pills be sold over the counter. LA calls his thinking “delusional” and “futile.”
- The Daily Kos has published a blogger’s “Open Letter to Supporters of Personhood,” which is really an angry and wholly unscientific rant about how a woman has the power to decide the value and wantedness of her preborn child. The author fears that bestowing any personhood to the preborn will somehow take away her personhood and power:
My living children were wanted, and they are deeply loved. Unwanted pregnancies do not have “personhood” conferred upon them. They are an intrusion, a parasite, a thing. However they were conceived, they are not wanted. They are not loved. They are not named. No nurseries are planned. There is no sighing over tiny booties and cunning little hats. There is, instead, a desperation and determination that the thing be removed….Fetuses are not people until they are born. As a mother, I know that. Fetuses have the potential to be people, but until they are out of the womb, they are not. My daughter was born sort of grayish-blue, with the cord wrapped around her neck. My husband said, “Oh my God, she’s d—” and my doula kicked him in the ankle. My beloved OB quickly unwrapped the cord, my husband cut it, and my beautiful daughter turned rosy pink. She was a person. And I love her, and my son, so much that it makes my heart hurt. This, and only this, is how it should be. This is the sacred bond between mother and child. You should not interfere with that.
Children are only actual children who have a “sacred bond” with their mothers if they pass through the magical birth canal and if they were planned and wanted – otherwise, they’re “parasites”?
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Wow! I finally get it! They pulled a child from the river in the news that was ashen gray. They performed CPR and the child turned rosy pink. So really…turning rosy pink according to this woman is turning into…a person!!!! I get it! So the EMT’s could have in all actuality not performed CPR on that child because he was ashen gray and thus clearly NOT a person.
When she was pregnant with her son and daughter did she not have any bond with them or did she view them as “things” while dreaming about the baby the stork would bring her? What a delusional individual.
how bout lady, people are people whether OTHER people want them or not. I was the youngest of 4 kids and a brat. A spoiled brat. And I’m sure there were days when my mom was at the end of her rope and didn’t particularly want me either. But I was still a person. My mom wanting me or not wanting me, loving me or not loving me does NOT dictate my worth.
Good grief, do these people realize how cold they sound?
So, if we draw a line to its logical conclusion: since unwantedness could get you killed, then, what is the statute of limitations on unwantedness? Shall we segregate school children into the ‘wanted classroom’ and the ‘unwanted classroom?’ Shall we segregate water fountains, these children may drink from the ‘wanted’ fountain, but the janitors aren’t obligated to wash the ‘unwanted’ fountain? Shall we segregate the schools altogether, and send the ‘wanted’ children to nice buildings but the ‘unwanted’ to run-down facilities? If unwantedness is enough to get you killed and your hands and feet counted into a little plastic bag, why should that discrimination end with your birth (if you survive)? Why not discriminate your whole life long? Why should I have to shop in the same store or eat at the same counter as those unclean, pesky unwanteds!? *sarcasm alert!*
The comments after the Daily Kos article are blood-chilling.
What about adopted children? Is Angelina’s first son a non-person because his birth mother didn’t keep him? He sure looks like a person to me! Didn’t I read once that Bill Clinton was adopted? What about Steve Jobs? He was adopted. He seemed so much like a real person, I was completely fooled! I had no idea he was a parasite. Parasites can be pretty productive, huh? Do you suppose the daily kos author wrote or submitted her article on parasitic software or hardware? Say what?!
We need to keep hammering at that wedge because it works. The abortion advocates are very upset about the growing personhood movement. And, they sure are uncomfortable about sex selective abortion wherein mothers are aborting their daughters because they are not male. Are we going to see the day when Cosmopolitan magazine has headlines that read “how to please your man and snuff that gal in utero, page 23!” right under the headlines that read ”six sexy moves to please him because you are nobody without his approval!”
After that “blahger’s” doula kicked her husband in the ankle for almost saying, “She’s dead!” she might’ve done the same to the mother for believing something not alive – only a “potential” person could have died in the first place.
My mother was also a blue baby with the umbilical cord wrapped around her neck. Neither she nor I are “potential” people, thank you very much.
Yay. I was looking for blog post fodder. This is too dumb to be true.
“I was the youngest of 4 kids and a brat. A spoiled brat.” – is this one of those ‘the more things change…….’ moments? ;-)
Wow. Next time you want to show how intrinsically selfish, hateful, and heartless the pro-choice position is, save that Daily Kos article for exhibit A.
This part was especially revealing: “Do you understand that you cannot, ever, force a woman to love an unwanted child? Eliminating safe and legal abortion will not end abortion. It never has. Women will always seek to get rid of unwanted children, and have for centuries. Their reasons why are none of your business. An end to legal abortion has always meant the deaths of thousands upon thousands of women”
Notice that she actually uses the words “child” and “children” in this passage. But that Freudian slip is the least amazing part of this creepy little passage. What she is saying here is something I had long since realized, but never until now had I seen anyone express it so clearly. The message is this: we hate unwanted children so much that we would literally rather die than love them.
And then it gets worse. Here’s her message to those who aren’t psychotically opposed to loving the unwanted: “You should be ashamed. Life is for the living. To loudly proclaim that a fetus is entitled to all the rights of breathing, laughing, huggable people is unconscionable. Particularly since the fetus is not YOURS. You will not be responsible for it in any way, shape, or form.”
What she means: If I refuse to love, no one in the world is allowed to love. To love the subnormal, to love the unwanted, to love those who you will never even meet – it is depravity. (distantly, you can hear the faded, but unmistakable echo of “n*****-lover”)
Well, no one seems to have noticed or talked about Jindal’s Op-Ed about contraception. One of the darlings of the Conservative movement just came out and unequivocally endorsed a logical, rational, and sensible discourse on birth control policy – COMPLETELY excluding and totally debunking contraception should ever be made illegal or have its access reduced.
Live Action’s piece was written more out of shock and desperation than anything else. That piece beautifully highlights to complete disconnect between true small-government Conservatives, and those Conservatives really just looking for a right-wing activist big-government sympathetic to their own ideals. What they fail to realize or even find out on their own is that the FDA willy-nilly added the “implantation effects” to hormonal contraception’s prescribing information, despite substantial data to the contrary. The FDA meeting notes for that discussion/approval cannot be found or accessed, and are exempt from Freedom of Information requests. And the Right complains about a lack of “transparency” regarding Fast and Furious.
All in all, the anti-contraception movement is like a traditional Big-Ten defense, and the pro-contraception movement has adopted the SEC Spread Offense based on the quarterback option. The mismatch is staggering, and every time anti-contraception folks run a blitz, the other side executes the option and runs for 20+ yards. Now, Jindal just broke with the Big-Ten playbook, and politically ran for a good 15 yards to pad his own stats for a future Presidential run. Problem is, he just made the supposed team he is on look pretty foolish overall.
Problem is, the pro-contraception movement still has another good quarterback on the sideline, and will one day execute the Wildcat, in that the FDA will eventually agree accept supplemental data that hormonal contraception does not affect implantation. Everyone is just waiting for the right time – a time where that would decimate any opposition’s positions to hormonal birth control once and for all.
Dave, “illogical” is when your side demands that birth control must be provided for free by insurance companies, then says it should be available over-the-counter instead of by prescription. The only “insurance” that pays for over-the-counter drugs is Medicaid – Welfare – which is appropriate since Obama seems to want to force the entire nation on to Welfare programs.
Also, what ever happened to the idea that a woman needs to consult with her doctor to determine which type of birth control is right for her? Obviously it’s another lie if you want women to self-medicate. And really, as was said in the Live Action article, if you can self-medicate birth control, why not other “safe” drugs as well? Why even have a pharmacy profession? Just let the people take whatever drugs they want. After all we wouldn’t want “big government” to tell an addict that he can’t have his Vicodin.
All in all, the pro-contraception movement is like a team that plays 1-3-1 “trap” ice hockey. It’s a very ugly style that nobody likes to watch, because it turns a fast-paced game of skill into one side just standing around waiting for the other side to make a mistake and then pouncing on them. Similarly you waited for Jindal to make a mistake and now look to frustrate us with bad sports metaphors.
Reading Dave’s comment made me wish that I actually watched football so I would have some idea what he’s talking about.
Dave 7:56am
-COMPLETELY excluding and totally debunking contraception should ever be made illegal or have its access reduced.
Who has made a serious effort to make contraception illegal or reduce its availability? Please, name for me a legislature that has attempted to pass such legislation, or better yet, one that has had any success.
There are people who oppose contraception. Big deal. There are people who oppose racial equality but until they can get civil rights laws stricken off the books, their opposition doesn’t amount to much.
Please Dave, some statistics and sources on the thousands, even millions of women who have been told they CANNOT use contraception. Also, what about men? How many have been told they cannot buy condoms?
That people even fell for this stupid “war on women” crap, well I wish I could say it surprises me. Unfortunately it doesn’t.
The only war on women is being waged by those trying to brain wash them by telling them that they have to have birth control to be a real woman. That they have the “RIGHT” to kill their children if they don’t want them. It is trying to make them believe that only they matter no other person’s rights or lives matter but their own and furthering the culture of death that is running rampant in our country today.
http://voiceforhope.blogspot.com/2012/12/its-not-merry-christmas-for-all.html
Dave,
I think more pro-lifers agree with you on contraception than you realize. Just out of curiosity, though, how do you feel about abortion?
Jindal has got it all wrong. We don’t want to make it easier yet for these beautiful kids and young adults to be harming their bodies with serious doses of hormones and chemicals that can have bad side effects..up to and including cancer and premature death. BC pills are not something to be taken without first consulting a physician.
In addtion it is obvious that using contraception gives some people a false sense of security…I can have sex with no consequences. Tell that to the 25% of kids that the Centers for Disease Control say have contracted some kind of STD. Common sense tells us it is not a good idea to have the boyfriend pressuring his sweetie to pop into the local drug store before they go on their date.
Hi Dave,
Exactly how many months worth of birth control pills have YOU swallowed? I took 12 months worth back in my 20s and it creeps me out to this day. That stuff can cause cancer. No thanks. I use birth control that is free (although Sandra Fluke may want me to fork over $ for the thermometer… no problem!) and is based on the biology of the female body. It’s called Natural Family Planning. It’s 99% effective–just like the cancer pills. I conceived 4 baby boys (and two miscarried babies) exactly when I wanted. Better proof still is that I did NOT conceive on the other bajillion days. As far as BCPs being sold over the counter…. part of me says, ”What the heck… so are cigarettes!”
As humans we are born selfish. It comes to us naturally. The reason that blogger is so angry is the thought of being able to off her offspring to if they do not fit into her picture is abhorrent to her. Once you get your mind around what is being killed in an abortion is another human being…then you have to say…when is it ok to kill. My heart breaks for all the post abortive women and men who come to that realization. Often even abortion advocates become pro life after they bring forth their wanted offspring. If you are killing something you have to justify it some way. The abortion industry is losing with advanced technology and every child is wanted by someone. I am a grandmother by adoption and they are so loved and wanted. I bless the woman in Russia who gave birth when abortion on demand and paid for by the govt. she choose life for my granddaughter.
This country is getting crazier, sicker and more depraved by the minute. I am thinking of leaving for good when I retire. I don’t know where, but I’m serious.
Anyway, I just wonder what would happen if the woman from the Daily Kooks had suffered a miscarriage. What she have warned that nonhuman?
Anyway, in case you don’t know, Tim Scott is black, which has raised all kinds of anger and consternation in the black community. Someone even said that they “hate” him.
http://newsone.com/2105707/tim-scott-south-carolina/
I don’t know what the fuss is. This is ONE black Republican is a sea of liberal Democrats. How is this going to change the status quo? They have the Senate, the presidency, and Barky has even been voted Time’s Man of the Year. Sore winners.
So basically, the Daily Kos lady is admitting her position has no scientific or logical basis and is entirely based on subjective feelings? I love it when they’re honest.
Basically she is asserting the kind of authority that fathers in ancient Rome had over their families. She believes that the mother has life and death authority. This is not a progressive idea. It comes from a denial of the individual and the individual’s rights. It is in keeping with a hierarchy not an egalitarian view of humans as equal beings. The mother in her mind is a superior being with the authority to destroy another human being because of her power and position. It is all about power over others and abuse of that power.
Hi phillymiss,
Tim Scott’s ”crime” is that he has offended the liberal masters of Uncle Sam’s Plantation. How dare any black man or woman not think the way the liberal masters dictate black people are supposed to think. Like the slaves who fled the plantations, and faced down dogs and guns in their quest for freedom, so will any black man or woman who dares to defy the liberal plantation masters of today face down vicious attacks.
As I often say, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Personally I am thrilled with the appointment of a conservative man of conviction and principle.
LOL JDC, me too. Whoosh – those were the football references going straight over my head.
Jindal is a mule. Big Pharma would just LOVE to make more life-long consumers and get them on pills of any sort as soon as possible. Yes, there are lifesaving medicines. But what’s happening today is the pharma goons are all over our lives using our bodies to make money with no thought whatsoever of the future. It reminds me very much of tobacco companies that wanted to hook consumers as soon as possible, keep them consuming and spending, and who cared if they were killing off their future consumers in the process?
I find it an incredible disconnect: people who won’t drink out of a plastic bottle or heat a styrofoam plate in a microwave think nothing of filling their own and their children’s bodies with ELECTIVE UNNECESSARY CHEMICALS AND HORMONES. Health comes with good nutrition and healthy behaving (exercise, etc.). We are not going to make our kids healthier by drugging them into oblivion.
Trivia bit: the first time many people heard of Ritalin was in the movie The Exorcist. Things that make ya go Hmmmm…
Anyway, I just wonder what would happen if the woman from the Daily Kooks had suffered a miscarriage. What she have warned that nonhuman?
I meant, would she have mourned that nonhuman? She screeches that its “none of our business” when a woman wants an abortion, but she probably expects us to pay for it. The sad thing is, millions of people, including our president, think that way. Its a spiritual sickness.
Mary, I think the “liberal plantation” analogy is overdone, but I wish Tim Scott the best. He hasn’t joined the 100 percent pro-abortion, bitch-and-moan session known as the Congressional Black Caucus, and I kind of like him for that.
Hi phillymiss,
I appreciate your honesty and opinion on my analogy.
That is my perspective of liberalism and best portrays my outrage at the attacks on Tim Scott because he does not march in lockstep to liberal dictates as to what black people should think and believe.
I wonder if he refused to join the CBC or they just made it plain he wasn’t welcome. After all, he doesn’t march in lockstep.
Well, about the kook lady… That’s just heartbreaking. It makes me so sad to hear someone not even try to hide their contempt for “unwanted” children. :( They’re not even sugar coating it anymore. This horrible person is just spewing disgust at innocent little children why? Because they were conceived at a most inconvenient time. By the way, the only response to an unplanned pregnancy is *not* desperation. There might be initial fear, and uncertainty, and wondering how on earth it’ll all work out, but I know *plenty* of people who conceived babies at less than ideal times and got over it and loved their babies. So all that’s just bull. Her poor kids. :(
And Dave, I’m not an anti-BC crusader. However, I do think certain drugs shouldn’t just be OTC. Condoms are. But the hormonal stuff can wreak havoc on a young woman’s body and shouldn’t just be handed out like candy to any little 13 year old. That level of hormones in your body is going to have some serious implications.
The LA article pointed out that there are plenty of commonly used drugs that aren’t just OTC, and for good reason. It mentioned Lipitor, Cialis, and Synthroid, among others. As a synthroid user (I actually was born without a thyroid gland at all), I sure do wish that it was otc. But I also realize that it completely controls so many systems of my body, and as expensive as the constant monitoring is, it’s necessary. And if I just started taking random doses, things would go south real fast.
People don’t have to think a drug is bad to think it doesn’t need to be OTC. I’m pretty much against hormonal BC pills being sold OTC.
This article well illustrates my point concerning Rep. Tim Scott and the racist, patronizing mentality of liberals. Supposedly, according to this liberal thinker, Scott’s anti-union, anti-abortion, and anti-taxes stance is in opposition to what most black Americans think. Coincidentally it is also in opposition to what most liberals think. If true or not I don’t know, but apparently every black candidate must march in lockstep. I wonder if this great thinker would suggest that a white candidate’s stand should be based on what the majority of white Americans think.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/12/19/NY-Times-Conservative-Blacks-Tokens
LibertyBelle,
I’m on Synthroid, too. I have a thyroid…mine is just “wonky”. ;)
That Daily Kos article just gives me CHILLS! I can’t even imagine a MOTHER having that to say about children!
What happens the day her “wanted” children find out how she feels (and they will) ?
When they realize they could just as easily have been the “unwanted” ones?
Chilling.
Pamela’s comment – insightful.
“ That Daily Kos article just gives me CHILLS! I can’t even imagine a MOTHER having that to say about children!
What happens the day her “wanted” children find out how she feels (and they will) ?
One of the tragic outcomes of legalized abortion is the realization by those people under age 40 years that their mothers’ love for them is conditional. Perhaps some of the mental illness in our country can be attributed to this sense of being unloved. Sure, this pro-choice Kos author loves her children – but do they believe her?
From the Daily Kos article:
“Personhood is conferred when a woman says to herself, “This is my baby.” Yes.”
I’m still not a person then? Since my mom has extra special magical powers of personhood and she never wanted me? Actually she specifically told me once that I was my dad’s, not her’s. Whoops, guess I’m not a person. It’s just ridiculous.
“How do you justify the fact that unwanted children can have terrible lives of desperation and fear?”
So let’s just kill them, and problem solved? Blech. This whole article is just gross.
“How do you justify the fact that unwanted children can have terrible lives of desperation and fear?”
So wait until the kid is old enough to speak, then ask her if she wants her limbs ripped off with a vacuum.
Most of the pro-abort activists I know are privileged brats who can’t handle any kind of adversity. So I wasn’t loved by one of my parents? Oh well, neither were a lot of people, and yet most of us don’t off ourselves, meaning we prefer to live. Thanks for the faux sympathy though.
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Step one: Declare that some human being is not a person.
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Step two: Kill that human being.
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I know I have seen this somewhere before. Now, where was that? Hmm…
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What happens the day her “wanted” children find out how she feels (and they will) ?
When they realize they could just as easily have been the “unwanted” ones?
All children realize one day that every mother has a choice (legal or not) whether to terminate a pregnancy. Not particularly earth shattering. My mother chose not to abort me, so I was, apparently, wanted by her. If she was pregnant other times and had abortions, that would not make me less wanted or concerned about her love for me.
Wow, Jack, I never knew you weren’t human. You seem so… well, real. Oh well. 9_9
But yeah, this whole disgusting article makes my stomach churn. The magical fairy thinking makes me think she’s tripping or something. I mean, in what plane of reality is it true that because something is wanted it’s real? Or vice versa? Well, crap. I don’t want that bill. Poof!! Bill gone. Heck yeah. Sorry, hon, life does not work that way.
I want to scoop up the little unwanted babies and love them.
Pamela, ha! Welcome to the club. :) Yeah not having a thyriod is weird. Every time I tell a doctor that, they look at me like I sprouted a third eye or something. I haven’t met a doctor who has ever seen a case like mine before. I’m wondering if I’m unique. Probably not, but it sure as heck makes me grateful for modern medicine. Yessiree.
”I mean, in what plane of reality is it true that because something is wanted it’s real? Or vice versa? Well, crap. I don’t want that bill. Poof!! Bill gone.”
I don’t want Obama to be President anymore. Poof, now he isn’t. :)
“Wow, Jack, I never knew you weren’t human. You seem so… well, real. Oh well. 9_”
Nope, the magic wand of wantedness has never passed over me, I’m actually a soulless parasite. :D
I really don’t see why people can’t see that basing someone’s freaking humanity on whether their mom likes them is pretty freaking terrible. I don’t get it at all.
Hal, please explain to me why I’m worth less than someone who was wanted. I’m dying to get a rational explanation for this.
Jack, I’m not saying you’re worth less. I’m saying I’m not worth less or loved less because my mother might (or might not have) had an abortion sometime in her life.
By the way, I don’t really understand the concept of “worth” when we’re discussing people. “The quality that renders something desirable, useful, or valuable.” I guess people are useful or valuable based on how useful or valuable they are, not on how much their parents love or wanted them.
I don’t know how people can be so nonchalant about the possible killings of their siblings at their parents’ behest. As someone with 5 living siblings and 2 that died in utero, it’s really quite chilling. I don’t see how the thought of having a mother capable of aborting can’t make you go, “Wow. If I would’ve come at a different time, the fate my brother or sister met could’ve been mine.”, and I don’t see how that can’t damage a person as a whole, and at least damage their relationship with their parent(s).
Totally agree, X. I’ve had four siblings die in utero. And I’ve always felt the loss of four siblings. I used to talk about one day meeting my older brother and sister (two before I was born). And as I got older, my heart really broke for my mom. How hard that must be! One child was lost pretty late-term too and I remember that one vividly. But wow, I cannot imagine if my mom had actively *killed* them. Like, if she had intentionally said, “Oh, hey, I killed one of your siblings.”
Caveat: If she had done it a long time ago, and since found healing and forgiveness and was deeply regretful and explained this to us, as a “hey, I made this horrifying mistake that has ruined me for life and you should never, ever do this” it probably wouldn’t make me scared of her or anything. But I’d have to process it. I mean, it’s pretty heavy, knowing you’ve had siblings killed.
xalisae and Liberty Bell, I am just as confused about your position. Of course I know that “had I come at at different time” my mother might have made a different choice. Why would I care? I have my siblings. My mother is a wonderful woman and raised me with patience and love. Nothing would be different if she had an abortion at 17 or 47 years of age.
Of course I know that “had I come at at different time” my mother might have made a different choice. Why would I care?
Because it would mean your own mother would’ve had the capacity to have you killed. That’s not patience OR love, no matter how things turned out for you due to your “wantedness”. Seems…something worth caring about, definitely.
Hal, that my mother had an late term saline abortion and it did affect me. I was about ten at the time. I recall her lying on the bed, crying. Her stomach was swollen and bright red. I remember her talking about seeing the baby — at 5 to 6 months you can’t say its a blob — in a bucket after it had effectively been scalded alive. That affected me deeply. I remember feeling very sad, even though I really didn’t know what had happened at the time. I mentioned that I even have a name for the little brother that I never knew. Simon.
Hi phillymiss,
What a heartbreaking story. My condolences to you and your family on your loss and my heart goes out to your mother and your entire family. What a tragic situation. Little Simon, you are so blessed to have a sister like phillymiss. Watch over her.