Here were my top five six favorite political cartoons this week…
by Glenn McCoy at Townhall.com…
by Chip Bok at Townhall.com…
by Eric Allie at Townhall.com…
by Michael Ramirez at Townhall.com…
and closing with a twofer by Nate Beeler at Townhall.com…
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Now who can disagree with any of the political cartoons this week? Hmm, I wonder who?
;)
Number 4 irritates me, it’s just stupid. So Democrats/Obama are Satan, trying to get the pure and innocent Republicans to compromise their morals and raise taxes on the rich? Is that what’s going on there? It’s dumb.
I wonder why the blog is so quiet this weekend.
Jack,
(You weren’t the one I was thinking of. ;) )
Actually, the Snake doesn’t represent the Democrats, but the Republicans’ weak-willed subconscious.
Lol I know you weren’t thinking of me, I just stuck my nose in anyway.
I think the Republicans should listen to their subconscious tell them what tax rates were in earlier years, and adjust accordingly.
I wonder why the blog is so quiet this weekend.
Well, given all the wailing here about the end of civilization, many are probably visiting Glenn Beck’s website, stocking up on gold and survival seeds, as they glance out their windows looking for black helicopters.
Tough days to be a Republican – probably why the blog is quiet today, and that these are the best cartoons (bashing the left) that could be found.
Wow -in the last 45 days, the election came down hard, and now the GOP infighting has gotten crazy. Obama hasn’t even had to pound the right too much on the fiscal cliff talks because the right is beating up their own. Almost uncomfortable to watch. Demint steps down. Publicity over the GOP demoting their own and there is fighting and not unity.
So yeah – makes sense that the right isn’t up in arms and fighting together – I think the right would be wise to get through this fiscal cliff matter as quickly as possible (since polls say they’ll be blamed if it gets screwed up, and the American public is clear on how they want it solved) – and live to fight another day.
Oh, guns and ammunition. Lots of guns.
To repel the hoards.
Jack,
“I think the Republicans should listen to their subconscious tell them what
tax rates were in earlier years, and adjust accordingly.”
And their subconcious is also telling them that spending was much less at that time. These times are different. And I don’t see a solution.
Hans -
Yes, and no.
Spending, as a percentage of the GDP, was 24.1% last year. In the 80’s, we were in the 22-23% range – dropped to a lost of 18.2% in 2000, and climbed ever since. So spending in the last 30 years has gone from about 22-23% to 24%.
Receipts, as a percentage of the GDP, was 15.4% last year. Historically, we’re typically in the high teens – even touching 20% in 2000.
So spending is higher than normal, yes, but just a tad. Revenue is way down though.
And don’t expect the revenue to go up in the next four years as we move into a part-time employment economy.
And a lot of that spending in the 80’s you mention entailed Reagan rebuilding the military that Carter decimated. And much of Clinton’s spending less, along with Newt, entailed cutting that back again as the “dividend” for the Cold War ending.
And now Obama wants to streamline the Defense once again. But he should have learned from Clinton. Terrorists are the new Soviet-type threat. More scatter-shot, to be sure. But he dropped the ball, allowed the FBI and CIA to compete rather than co-operate, and we all know what happened.
Yeah, mp, see you in the bunker.
Hans -
All I report on is the numbers. You can spin it anyway you want it makes you feel that you’re right.
I don’t live in a binary code Universe. Words have meaning. They can comfort, and they can trouble.
I’m not feeling anything good coming of all this.
I only believe in apocalypses that involve zombies, so I don’t worry about it. Everything will be fine.
“It’s the end of the world as we know it…and I feel fiiine!” :)
Yeah, obviously the blog is quiet because all of the prolifers who are normally here are jumping off bridges. Or maybe, just maybe, it’s the Second Sunday of Advent and people are using the weekend to prepare for Christmas.
What is Advent?
Advent is the season that immediately precedes the Christmas season. Didn’t they teach you about it when you were being taught in-depth theology regarding Paul’s epistles?
No my parents’ church wasn’t big on the Christian holidays. They only celebrated
Christmas on Christmas Eve and Day, and it wasn’t the hugest deal because they considered it idol worship to get too excited about it.
No need to be rude, I was simply asking.
Actually the only time I have ever heard about Advent was from that movie Bad Santa where Billy Bob Thornton ate that kid’s calendar and put like tic tacs and aspirin in there to replace the candy lol. That’s a funny movie. I didn’t know that it was a religious thing, I thought it was just a kid’s candy thing.
Love it! When the right whingers start to exaggerate to the extent shown in the funnies, you know they’re desperate. Along with the overblown rhetoric.
“No need to be rude”
Judging from the rest of this thread I would have thought it was a prerequisite.
Okay John. If you think that making fun of cartoons that are making fun of someone else is the same thing as biting my head off for asking a genuine question, that’s cool. This is why I don’t like trying to ask y’all questions about your beliefs, you always take it like an attack.
Meh. Politics bores me to tears lately. GOP vs Dems, blah, blah, blah. They all act like idiots.
But the last cartoon is funny! I’m actually looking forward to seeing the Pope’s tweets.
I remember once when I was young, I was given an advent calendar and I just ate all the chocolates in one day. :) Ah, memories.
“Meh. Politics bores me to tears lately. GOP vs Dems, blah, blah, blah. They all act like idiots.”
Amen.
Is it just me, or is this a Sunday funnies thread that’s not instantly turning into a week long debate on healthcare reform? Something doesn’t feel right about this.
” Is it just me, or is this a Sunday funnies thread that’s not instantly turning into a week long debate on healthcare reform? Something doesn’t feel right about this. ”
I think everyone got tired out, or they are watching football. I suppose I could take over and pretend to be Ex or mp or someone, just to keep the tradition going.
“I suppose I could take over and pretend to be Ex or mp or someone, just to keep the tradition going.”
Thanks for the offer, but I think this is a tradition that we’ll have to learn to live without. ;)
mr. bo-jangles approval rating <49%
un-employment >8%
Dead people/non-existent people can vote but they have a diffcult time responding to public opinion polls via their telephone.
No one is surpised that politicians behave like…. well….politicians.
But the real fun is getting a liberal/progressive to define ‘rich’ and ‘fair share’ on the record.
Almost as entertaining as getting Nancy Pelosi to recollect what she did not know and when she did not know it.
If United States Ambassador to Lybia, Christopher Stevens, were resurrected I wonder what he would have to say about mr. bo-jangles foreign policy and leadership.
Former SEALS Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods and computer specialist Sean Smith are dead, but there are recordings, video and audio, of what transpired.
The truth will out…eventually and the long legged, on the down low, mac daddy will be held to account for what he did and did not do.
What is the difference between mr. bo-jangles and a bag of manure?
Filling, distributing and selling the bag of manure creates jobs.
The manure facilitates growth.
Anybody who raises taxes one penny without first forcing Obama and Reid to pass a budget is foolish. Somebody other than Texas needs to stand up and tell Obama he can shove it.
Question for JohnL and ktb, How can any Christian, knowing that Jesus was conceived and carried in a mother’s womb, support the genocide machine known as Planned Parenthood? Do you think they are ignorant or just self-serving hypocritical people who are make calculations and see themselves better served by ‘calling themselves’ Christian?
I like the “Fiscal Cliff Fix”. Probably the best commentary on the so-called “fiscal cliff” has come from Sarah Palin. She said we have already gone over it…what is being negotiated now will determine how loud the “thump” will be.
To understand Obama’s thinking we need to know this: if someone has too much wealth they should have a disproportionate amount taken from them in order to redistribute it. Obama sees government as the great leveler…the wealth that private enterprise creates is best distributed as evenly as possible by the means of redistributionist programs.
Of course our trolls and liberals here probably think the same way and cannot grasp how perilously close we are to a complete collapse because they sit at the feet of the master starry eyed in wonderment of his greatness. Burning through money at 40 cents borrowed of every dollar spent, three and a half billion borrowed every day, trillions in annual deficits and they are just fine with all of this. Worse, they buy into Obama’s fiction that taxing the rich will take care of it. Obama says it is the math, but when you do the math his does not add up and he knows it.
Because of Obama’s reckless policies our currency is headed to a dramatic devaluing. With that the price of commodities will skyrocket, business will have their margins stretched thinner yet and as more businesses fail the liberals who see their agenda being threatened by less revenue due to a failing economy will issue cries for even higher taxes on the rich. Finally because of the uncertainty of the value of the dollar credit markets will seize thereby making it next to impossible to get investment funding for business start-ups and expansion. Unemployment will grind higher and higher.
When it finally gets so bad that a severe crisis develops Obama will think he has to act with great command. We have seen these types come and go throughout history and the very people who are so pathetically blind to the arrogance of this man remind me of the millions who followed the despots of the 20th century to their own demise and the suffering of millions.
There is only one thing a person needs to know about Obama to understand how conflicted he is. He was willing to let babies born alive during the course of an abortion suffer and die without receiving any medical attention. Nothing speaks to his character more than this. If he can do this nothing is beyond him. Sadly some of the people who contribute here are so infatuated with this charlatan they don’t even care.
Oh this quote is a real knee-slapper:
“So spending is higher than normal, yes, but just a tad.”
Wow. A colossal understatement. An epic descriptive failure. A gaffe of gargantuan girth! Oh the pain, the pain. I’m sorry, I just channeled Dr. Smith for a moment. All in good humor, ;>).
And I like questions about advent: it is the waiting and preparing time for both the Lord’s birth as an infant, and the Lord’s return. I never had the neato calendar with little windows full of candy :>( . I like advent because we sing “oh Come Emanuel” and that’s one of my favorite songs.
” Wow. A colossal understatement. An epic descriptive failure. A gaffe of gargantuan girth! Oh the pain, the pain. I’m sorry, I just channeled Dr. Smith for a moment. All in good humor, ;>). ”
But he’s right, spending is only a bit higher as a percentage of the GDP. Revenue is down several percentage points. The GDP itself is a lot higher than it ever has been, so, technically, you are right that it’s an underestimate. We are spending more actual money even adjusted for inflation. But as a percentage it’s not that much higher, though it is projected to go a lot higher in the next 25 years. The revenue is really worrying, we are bringing a lot less in as a percentage of the GDP.
“And I like questions about advent: it is the waiting and preparing time for both the Lord’s birth as an infant, and the Lord’s return. I never had the neato calendar with little windows full of candy :>( . I like advent because we sing “oh Come Emanuel” and that’s one of my favorite songs. ”
Ok thank you for explaining that for me, ninek. I was just wondering.
Oh this quote is a real knee-slapper:
“So spending is higher than normal, yes, but just a tad.”
Wow. A colossal understatement. An epic descriptive failure. A gaffe of gargantuan girth! Oh the pain, the pain. I’m sorry, I just channeled Dr. Smith for a moment. All in good humor, ;>).
Federal spending as a percentage of GDP is precisely as Ex-GOP represented it.
It’s falling.
That’s a real knee-slapper! :)
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fredgraph.png?g=dF7
” It’s falling.”
I thought it was projected to shoot up in the next 25 years, up to near 30%? Time to research lol.
I thought it was projected to shoot up in the next 25 years, up to near 30%? Time to research lol.
Whose projections? The Heritage Foundation? Brother Ken? :)
Lol actually it might have been Heritage. I like to get my info from both conservative and liberal sources, I usually find the truth somewhere in the middle. I’m gonna read, I will report my findings for ninek et al. :)
Lol actually it might have been Heritage. I like to get my info from both conservative and liberal sources, I usually find the truth somewhere in the middle.
Jack, I strongly suggest you go trawling at cbo.gov. They’ve got the best numbers out there. It is, after all, their business.
Yeah I have use cbo.gov sometimes, but they are sometimes hard for me to understand, I am actually terrible at understanding economics. I like the Cato Institute, they usually have good summaries that I can understand better. And for a conservative source Heritage actually isn’t that bad, I don’t always agree with their projections though.
I like the Cato Institute, they usually have good summaries that I can understand better. And for a conservative source Heritage actually isn’t that bad, I don’t always agree with their projections though.
Gah!
Jack, you and I need to have a serious talk. :)
Economics is a science, not voodoo, not chicken bones, and especially not politics.
” Economics is a science, not voodoo, not chicken bones, and especially not politics.”
I know! I just have trouble understanding it. I am actually quite impressed with economically savvy people because I find it a difficult subject.
I know! I just have trouble understanding it. I am actually quite impressed with economically savvy people because I find it a difficult subject.
Find yourself a copy of Paul Krugman’s economics text and get started!
He’s the best out there right now. He’s gotten everything right.
He may be a liberal, but he’s a brilliant economist.
Have a good night, Jack.
Oh I also like the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities website, I find interesting stuff on there.
I’ll check out Krugman, thanks for the tip. Have a nice night mp.
Number four describes a financial evil that will overcome this nation swiftly bankrupting the middle class which neo-democrats or Liberals have titled the “top two percent.”
The “apple,” is selling out the middle class which is every household earning over $200,-250,000 a year. It sounds like alot, but when you own a small business you pay out alot of that for your business expenses leaving you with essentially only 30,000 a year in take home.
Or it’s a household where both paratns are already working one or more job.
Either way, these are not the drug addicts on welfare spending 2 grand a month on speed and 3 nights a week in a hotel before their back out on the street again.
These are your mom & pop’s, working overtime to provide your kids and community with quality products at an affordable price competing with Walmart & Home Depot.
Don’t Tax them, it’s a “Bad Apple.”
Raising the taxes on the VAST majority of thses people would put many out of business and sinke the econmy, most aready pay over 30% in State and Federal Taxes.
Do the Math. The Snake is satan tempting our last hope into bankrupting the country.
I never had a chocolate Advent calendar when I was a kid; we had other kinds. I actually never knew that they are “normally” chocolate until I was an adult. We had several but they were all “permanent”/reusable ones. One that had a different ornament for each day that we would hang on the tree. A beautiful wooden cabinet with tiny little doors that we’d open every day to see a little surprise (those little plastic animals, a thing of Tic Tacs, a random little jingle bell, those kinds of things). We had a very strict rotating schedule of which kid did which calendar on which day. It was SERIOUS BUSINESS.
I know a few friends who get way into Advent now, as kind of its own month-long holiday. A friend of mine wrapped 24 books (!!) and her son unwraps one every night and they read it. That seems like a bit much to me. I mean, this is the COUNTDOWN to Christmas, it just seems kind of crazy to me to get 24 presents even before the “giving” day. It’s just kind of the constant ramping-up of expectations and celebrations that I tend to bah-humbug. I’m cranky like that. (Also, get off my lawn.)
Now that we’re old we each took one of my childhood advent calendars to our own homes. The one I have is a Nutcracker-themed on with a felt tree, and little characters that you stick onto it via velcro. The kids have kept up the tradition of covertly re-arranging which characters are assigned to be put up on which days, to guarantee that the “best” ones fall on “their” days. I didn’t even have to teach them that kind of subterfuge. Makes me proud.
I never had or wanted the chocolate ones – even as a kid I didn’t have much of a sweet tooth. The idea of eating a piece of chocolate a day sounds tedious to me. Although I saw an advent calendar this year that has a different shot of whiskey every day…I like the sound of that one!
Whiskey, Nutcrackers, and little plastic figurines aside, advent is the start of the liturgical year and a time of preparation for the coming of Christ. Unlike “advent calendars,” it can start before or after 12/1, depending on when in the week the feast of St. Andrew falls. Advent begins on the Sunday closest to that feast day and covers four Sundays. Churches typically light a candle each Sunday, which all sit on a little wreath thing in a circle (or mine did, at least). If I’m not mistaken, Advent, like Lent, was originally characterized by prayer, reflection, fasting, etc. Or, you know, fighting through big box stores to buy people a bunch of crap. That too.
While we’re talking about Awesome Christmas Season Traditions of Alexandra’s Childhood (oh, was that just me?) one thing I have LOVED continuing with the kids in my life is the Christmas Eve Pajamas. Every year we would go to a candlelight service at church on Christmas Eve, then we’d go home (awesomely, sometimes we would sing carols at home – that seems like something people don’t really do anymore, just sit around and sing together) and open one gift each. The gift was always a new set of pajamas – some years my mom made them herself but some she bought them from a really amazing company with super-comfy clothes. We’d all change into our new PJs and it was like the starting gun for Christmas. We would put on the PJs and beg to go to bed as soon as they were on, because by then we knew that the only thing between us and Christmas was sleep. Then we’d lounge around in our new comfy PJs all day on Christmas, and look cute in all the photos to boot.
Last year, I randomly stumbled onto pajamas in the telltale striped pattern I remembered from my childhood and I texted my mom and said, “Hey, those awesome comfy PJs you’d always buy us? Were they from this company?” She was like “YES!” so I bought some and now the tradition of ultra-comfy PJs on Christmas Eve lives on.
When I was really little I thought it was totally amazing that every year, the gift my parents picked out totally at random from the pile was the Christmas PJs. I thought that it was, like, proof that Christmas actually is magic after all – that my parents could go and deliberate and painstakingly decide which present to have us open, and it would ALWAYS be the pajamas. Obviously they knew which gift was which, and chose the pajamas intentionally. I was not really the smartest child. But I may have been one of the happiest. ;)
LOL. Loved your trip down memory lane Alexandra!
Advent can easily become all about the countdown to presents, unfortunately. The advent calendar we have is a felt Nativity scene. Each day a new person or animal gets put up and, of course, baby Jesus is left for Dec 25. It’s a little reminder to us what this countdown is all about. I love Advent!
Alexandra, my in-laws do the Christmas PJ’s thing. Every year they still get their 2 grown children and me and now my sons Christmas jammies. I love it! Before we had kids we would sleep over their house but now we open our PJ’s and the go home and put them on. :-)
Hi Jack! I hope you’re doing alright!
Alexandra – we also did the new pajamas on Christmas Eve and I also was amazed that my parents were so magical! Now, my husband and I are starting the tradition with our almost-1 year old. Very excited.
Okay, while I’m also sick of politics (seriously, we’re still hiding from Those People at church… My husband was joking that if they said something like, “How bout that GOP?” we’d just be like, “Actually, how bout that Jesus? You know, a peaceful guy who actually fixes problems?” and walk away).
But I did think the one about throwing the rich guy into the volcano was funny. Only because it seems like all politics is kind of like that these days. “Um, let’s just toss some money at it and see if it works!!!” Politicians are crazy lately (okay, always) and their methods appear a little haphazard.
Poor Jack. Advent is the season preceding Christmas. Advent means coming, so it’s a time for Christians to reflect on the coming of Christ. Some people have advent candles, other advent calendars, etc. Basically it’s a countdown, and each day you do some sort of a devotional to focus on Christ’s birth. :) Yay, happy explanation! :)
I am so sick of the “free stuff” meme. especially its popular variant, ”minorities want handouts.” Hmm, I’ve been working since I was SIXTEEN years old. I am now 54 which means that I have spent most of my life in the labor force. I have NEVER been on public assistance, not even food stamps. I would really love to have my mortgage paid off and a new car, and I also want my daughter’s student loan debt paid, too. I would also like a new kitchen with marble countertops. Can anyone point me to the freestufforminorities.com website? I can’t seem to find it!
phillymiss,
it’s not as if the meme is something that’s been dastardly fabricated.
http://twitchy.com/2012/10/17/post-presidential-debate-obama-supporters-renew-vows-to-murder-mitt-romney/
I’m loving all the advent stories here. I like the idea of the whiskey calendar, although I hope I could resist the temptation to eat it in the same manner as I did the chocolate one. :)
Lol I like the stories about all your Christmas traditions but am slightly jealous. We didn’t even have presents, that’s idolatry apparently.
Aw poor Jack. :( Well my husband’s Christian Protestant family never had nativity scenes and Christmas wasn’t a big deal to them (apparently for idolatry reasons as well). It’s still not, which is sad to me, having come from a family in which Christmas was pretty much the pinnacle of our year.
All I can say is that husband has greatly enjoyed letting his Christmas spirit free when he married me and saw my family’s enthusiastic celebrations. :)
I hope you can enjoy Christmas with your kids. :)
I’m sorry, Jack! My parents started traditions like that for us because they didn’t really have many growing up, either. My dad’s parents were solidly middle-class respectable people but were alcoholics and borderline negligent parents, and my mom was one of 10 kids in a very poor Catholic family, so their childhoods and holidays were very different but they both wanted us to have happier childhoods than they did. We didn’t usually do things ‘by the book’ as much as we did on Christmas (one of our other most enduring ‘traditions’ was watching Murder She Wrote together on Sunday nights…) but I think that Christmas is an easy time to make up some traditions, so they started there. :)
Oh and hey Sydney! I am doing great, I hope you and the family are doing well.
Yeah LibertyBelle I am not the “holiday” type, I usually just let my ex do holiday stuff with the kids with her family when we were married, and I watch football all day lol. I told her she could have them for Christmas, it’s kinda useless for me to have them since I don’t have money for any celebrations, and don’t have family to hang out with and do any family stuff. Her family does a lot of stuff, they go caroling which my four-year-old really loves so that’s always awesome for him.
Alexandra you are lucky that your parents decided to make things better for you guys, that’s really awesome. :)
it’s not as if the meme is something that’s been dastardly fabricated.
Yes, its true that there are some people of color that don’t like to work (also plenty of white folks that don’t like to work). But there are many more that do. I have some Mexicans that live down the street from me. I hardly ever see them because they are up early in the morning and don’t get back until way after dawn (they have a landscaping business).
I like to get my info from both conservative and liberal sources, I usually find the truth somewhere in the middle.
I don’t blame you.
Alexandra you are lucky that your parents decided to make things better for you guys, that’s really awesome
Even in unhappy childhoods there are periods of normalcy. Christmas was always a nice time in my house. I was determined for my children to have a happy childhood. That’s something that can never be taken away. Not long ago my daughter said “you were a good mom,” and I was so happy I cried.
“Even in unhappy childhoods there are periods of normalcy. Christmas was always a nice time in my house. I was determined for my children to have a happy childhood. That’s something that can never be taken away. Not long ago my daughter said “you were a good mom,” and I was so happy I cried.”
Aw I am really glad that she said that phillymiss, you are a great mom. I hope my kids remember their childhood well, that’s really my only goal in life is to make their childhood decent.
And I am glad you have good memories of Christmas when you were a kid.
it’s not as if the meme is something that’s been dastardly fabricated.
Yes, its true that there are some people of color that don’t like to work (also plenty of white folks that don’t like to work). But there are many more that do. I have some Mexicans that live down the street from me. I hardly ever see them because they are up early in the morning and don’t get back until way after dawn (they have a landscaping business).
Not to derail the thread here… but amen. A farmer in CO recently tried not hiring immigrants to give his local community an opportunity to have jobs… and no one took the jobs. It was hard labor. No one wanted them!! There are plenty of whites are lazy and think they can “do better.” Heck, my husband and I have gotten flak from family for taking jobs when we could “do better.” Excuse me. But putting food on the table is necessary. It’s called surviving while you do look for something else. It’s called you have to eat no matter what. There’s a huge problem in Americans where we somehow think we’re entitled to cushy, well-paying jobs. No, you’re entitled to keep what you earn through hard work.
Okay. Rant done now. Sorry. And Phillymiss, that is so sweet what your daughter said to you! :) You seem like a great mom.
I’m not saying that there aren’t any other races out there who exploit the public assistance system. I’m half Mexican on my Mom’s side, and something around 70% of illegal immigrant households in Texas alone receive some form of public assistance. That’s heinous, since I don’t even think they should be here since they’re here illegally.
But it’s a culture problem. I fully acknowledge that a culture problem exists in a few ways in different segments of the Mexican(-American) community. This is one problem of the culture at large that needs to be fixed and in order to do so, it must be recognized. Those tweets weren’t fabricated. They’re real, and only a small portion of some of the things I’ve seen since I’ve been on Twitter. They go hand-in-hand with the other side of that coin, which is wealthy, upper-class liberal whites tweeting about “social justice” and “equality” and “sharing” and “wealth redistribution” and “fairness”, and both of those do damage to our nation, and damage our minority communities within this country far more than the KKK can these days. It makes me sick to my stomach to see upper-class whites manipulating and using minorities in their effort to collapse and re-engineer America. It makes me more sick to watch a proud, hard-working, family-oriented tradition from which at least half of me originated take the bait, swallow it hook, line, and sinker, and be torn apart by it. It’s wrong no matter what color you are.
You guys who feign that the budgetless wonder named Obama is somehow fiscally restrained is insane….but the so are you. HE spends several times more ‘BORROWED’ money then any president in history. Have you ever looked at the deficit spending of presidents as a percentage of GDP?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesglassman/2012/07/11/the-facts-about-budget-deficits-how-the-presidents-truly-rank/
It is worth a read. The calculations are complicated and are laid out by the Office of Management and Budget. See http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/spec.pdf, p. 49.
I think the number one thing I’m wondering from this thread…
presents on Christmas Eve or Christmas?
Our girls get Christmas pajamas on Christmas Eve, but everything else is on Christmas. Most of my relatives growing up opened presents on Christmas Eve – and even from a young age, I disliked that so much that I didn’t like visiting them.
Since my dad is a pastor, he always had Christmas Eve services, so it wasn’t very often that we traveled for Christmas – it was typically just our immediate family.
Jack – you ought to find a cool church in the area that does up Christmas well and really celebrates advent – just go hang out in the back and relax – it can be a lot of fun.
Ex-RINO,
You support empowering a man who holds fundraisers to keep it legal for people to deliver babies to the neck and stab them in the skull wiith scissors. Even seeing you post about your “being Christian” makes a mockery of the meaning of Christmas.
“I think the number one thing I’m wondering from this thread…
presents on Christmas Eve or Christmas?”
Always on Christmas. I think once or twice my parents let us open ONE present on Christmas Eve in order to get us to shut up :) , but officially it’s always Christmas for me.
Oh X-GOP, definitely on Christmas day don’t you think? We open our pj’s and then go home. The next morning we open our stockings at our own house then load up all the gifts and go to my in-laws where they have prepared an awesome breakfast! Last year was “cheesy cloud” which is eggs and cheese whipped so light…it is awesome. We had ham and biscuits too. And coffee. Lots and lots of coffee. My son was so impatient but then we lit a fire in the fireplace and settled down to the chaos of opening gifts. It is going to be so much fun this year to see my 9 month old son sitting in the chaos with his big brother. My boys make everything better!
Christmas is about the birth of the child. A child who was loved and nurtured and protected in a mother’s womb. The fact that any ‘Christian” supports Obama is an oxymoron. Emphasis on the ‘moron’.
JDC and Sydney, don’t you feel dirty talking to an Obama supporter about Christmas? Seriously, Obama’s rabid pro-abort extremism represents the antithesis of Christmas.
JDC – I remember one year growing up, and me and my siblings BEGGING to open one present – so they finally caved and let us. Our fun uncle had always gotten us the coolest presents – so we chose the one from him (and his new wife).
They got us these little ceramic figurines – NOT what we were hoping for.
That was it for the Christmas eve presents!
That’s awesome Sydney!
Kids do make it fun – I love watching them year to year as they figure everything out.
“JDC and Sydney, don’t you fell dirty talking about Christmas traditions to an Obama supporter?”
Meh, I live in Canada. Big city Canada at that. Out of necessity I’ve learned how to interact with people whose political views I don’t share.
So the killing of the unborn is just a political view to you JDC? And especially on Christmas. Your loyalties lie more with political correctness then standing up for what Christmas is supposed to represent. Maybe I am talking to the wrong person. Are you Christian?
My wife had the kids open one present on Christmas Eve last year, so they would actually sleep that night lol. My son was finally old enough last year to connect presents under the tree to lots of stuff, my daughter was only one so she didn’t care. My son has only just started to realize what Christmas is so he’s all excited this year, telling me all about the presents he’s totally gonna get. :)
“Jack – you ought to find a cool church in the area that does up Christmas well and really celebrates advent – just go hang out in the back and relax – it can be a lot of fun. ”
Yeah people say that but I seriously can’t imagine just walking into a church and being like “what’s up I’m lonely, what are you all up to?” I can’t imagine being accepted like that.
I am tired of slowly sinking into the sugar-coated politically correct liberal hell that is becoming a society without principles or belief in right and wrong. Time to seperate the wheat from the chaff. I no longer have any desire to communion with RINO’s and CINO’s and PLINO’s.
“So the killing of the unborn is just a political view to you JDC? And especially on Christmas. Your loyalties lie more with political correctness then standing up for what Christmas is supposed to represent. Maybe I am talking to the wrong person. Are you Christian?”
JDC is not a Christian. So honest question, do you think it’s Christ-like to treat Ex-GOP like crap because you don’t like the way he votes? Is that supposed to shame him into agreeing with you or something? I really don’t get what it’s supposed to do. Maybe being polite to him would be better?
Jack – ha – I can’t believe I’m saying this, but just lie – just say you’re in town visiting or something like that.
I’m just saying, there’s nothing quite like being in church with Christmas hymns being played. Over the last few years, my family has been involved in less formal churches with praise teams and such – which is fun, but I like the traditional style around Christmas.
Jack, people like Ex-RINO spread apathy like a disease. Telling people that it is senseless to be active in the fight for the unborn because hey can make no difference anyway. Abortion is the antithesis of Christmas and everything Christian. You get rid of cancer by cutting it out. Standing up for the truth is the only way a lost soul can be found again.
“Jack, people like Ex-RINO spread apathy like a disease. Telling people that it is senseless to be active in the fight for the unborn because hey can make no difference anyway. Abortion is the antithesis of Christmas and everything Christian. You get rid of cancer by cutting it out. Standing up for the truth is the only way a lost soul can be found again.”
Yeah I don’t get it. It’s like the people who try to get me to convert by telling me what an awful terrible human being I am. It just makes me stay far, far away from them.
Make no mistake Ex-RINO. Your willing to support those who would discard the lives of the unborn makes a mockery of the Christmas and grieve the Holy Spirit to unforgivable ends. You are a lost soul.
truth –
I fully support your 9:10 post to not associate or communicate with those that you personally judge to be in one of those categories.
Having nice conversation with reasonable people. Then you come stumbling in like some drunk uncle, ruining a good time.
Move on.
“I’m just saying, there’s nothing quite like being in church with Christmas hymns being played. Over the last few years, my family has been involved in less formal churches with praise teams and such – which is fun, but I like the traditional style around Christmas.”
Oh yeah, I do love the hymns and everything, which is weird because what I was raised with, we weren’t allowed to have hymns for whatever reasons. Music took away from worship or something.
And actually when I was seventeen I was homeless, and around Christmas I was pretty hungry. One of the churches here did a Christmas dinner/supper thing for homeless and poor people in the community, you didn’t have to talk to anyone, they would feed you anyway whether you were a Christian or not. I actually went to that even as anti-Christianity as I was as a teenager, because I was starving! They were really nice, I wouldn’t mind going back to that church.
“Yeah I don’t get it.”
Jack, I am not trying to ‘convert’ you. I am speaking the truth and asking the Holy Spirit to guide my words. Do you ‘get it’ that abortion is the antithesis of Christmas?
Ex-RINO,
Do you ‘get it’ that abortion is the antithesis of Christmas?
” Jack, I am not trying to ‘convert’ you. I am speaking the truth and asking the Holy Spirit to guide my words. Do you ‘get it’ that abortion is the antithesis of Christmas?”
I didn’t say you were trying to convert me, I said you remind me of people who try to get me to “see the light” by telling me how horrible I am.
I suppose that abortion could be the antithesis of Christmas, that doesn’t mean I am going to start yelling at pro-choicers and Obama voters about daring to have a nice time at Christmas. They are still people even if I don’t agree with them.
Jack,
I actually have no problem with having a nice time at Christmas. You respect and fight for the unborn and that my friend means you are filled with the Christmas spirit. It is the people who call themselves Christian and do not respect and fight for the unborn (or even worse campaign in support of stalwart abortion providers) who make a mockery of Christmas.
” I actually have no problem with having a nice time at Christmas. You respect and fight for the unborn and that my friend means you are filled with the Christmas spirit. It is the people who call themselves Christian and do not respect and fight for the unborn who make a mockery of Christmas.”
So I’m a non-Christian, I deny Christ’s divinity, but I’m still allowed to have a good Christmas because I am pro-life? But someone who is a Christian, accepts Christ’s divinity, but voted for Obama is supposed to be mocked? All right, I guess that works?
You are close Jack. I am not mocking Ex-RINO. Ex-RINO’s supporting the empowerment of radical pro-abort’s like Obama to lead our nation makes a mockery of his ‘Christianity’ and of everything Christmas stands for. Like a follower of Christ supporting King Herod in his search for the babe to kill.
t*seeker –
You are a single issue voter that boils down the pro-life position to one’s vote.
I’m not a single issue voter, and I don’t boil down “support” to just one’s voting.
You over simplify the argument.
truthseeker, please calm down. Seriously, a friendly conversation with about Christmas traditions with a guy who voted for a candidate I wouldn’t have voted for (I’m eligible to vote in U.S. elections, so this part is hypothetical anyway) is not that big a deal. I feel no need to defend my pro-life credentials over this.
“And coffee. Lots and lots of coffee.”
This sounds like my kind of Christmas. Or any day for that matter. Proud coffee addict here. :)
Well, I guess we are following part of the tradition here, as a long drawn out fight of some sort has broken out on this Sunday funnies thread.
JDC –
Yeah – sorry.
I tried to keep anything from breaking out.
Furthermore, truth wanted to get into a bigger debate – I said sure, with a few basic guidelines, and on a thread with very little activity (I suggested the Alicia Keyes post from a few days back) to spare some of you folks from the drama.
I enjoyed the Christmas conversation though – I’m going to a Christmas Concert in a few days (Sufjan Stevens) - a Christmas sing-a-long – very much looking forward to it.
JDC this argument was my fault, lol. Merry Christmas!
“JDC –
Yeah – sorry.
I tried to keep anything from breaking out.”
No need to apologize, I think you approached this in a fairly non-provocative way.
“Furthermore, truth wanted to get into a bigger debate – I said sure, with a few basic guidelines, and on a thread with very little activity (I suggested the Alicia Keyes post from a few days back) to spare some of you folks from the drama.”
Maybe if we ask her nicely, Jill will start some sort of debate thread for you guys each week. :) It seems that the Sunday funnies fights are some kind of inevitability, though.
“I enjoyed the Christmas conversation though – I’m going to a Christmas Concert in a few days (Sufjan Stevens) - a Christmas sing-a-long – very much looking forward to it.”
I enjoyed the Christmas conversation as well. Honestly, I just love it when there’s anything positive to discuss at all, it’s a nice change. Really hope you enjoy the concert!
“JDC this argument was my fault, lol. Merry Christmas!”
Don’t be so hard on yourself. Well, anyways, Merry Christmas to y0u as well!
“You over simplify the argument.”
No Ex-RINO, There is no more barbaric anti-Christian thing I can think of then killing children in a mother’s womb. It is heinous. Unfathomable evil on such a fundamental level. But it is not complicated. The fact that you think it is complicated and can hem and haw about it shows your conscience is as sick as the act itself.
Do you envisage a career in the diplomatic corps for yourself truthseeker?
Ex, I love Sufjan Stevens’ Christmas album! I hope he plays I Saw Three Ships. Have fun!
Another Christmas album that I shamelessly love is, surprisingly, from that Putomayo company (I know, right?). The New Orleans Christmas one is a nice way to jazz things up in between the classics like the Mannheim Steamroller and Ella Fitzgerald albums. Been a fave of mine for years now.
I was pro-choice for years and years and I celebrated Christmas that whole time. So many women that have abortions celebrate Christmas. (Based on the fact that 65% of those that get abortions are Christian.) Yes, abortion and Christmas are incongruent, but I certainly didn’t see that when I was pro-choice. The fact that we all can see the Good News in the coming of the infant Christ is a good thing, IMO. This common ground should be expanded, not condemned.
This topic brings to mind a quote from an amazing article I recently read:
“To love is to see that we must perfect ourselves. Jesus does not conclude his adjuration to not judge with the suggestion that we walk away but with the command to “first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother’s eye.” (Matthew 7:5) We are not told to walk away but to put our own house in order and then return to help our brother. To help others see we must first remove our own blindness. To not do so renders us inadequate to share a vision we cannot fully see or comprehend. It renders us incapable of loving completely. To not perfect ourselves is to offer our neighbor a candle when he needs the sun. It is only when we have freed ourselves from sin that we can see the slavery in which it held us. Only then will we see that the gift we offer is not a cudgel to beat out righteousness but a shovel to dig our neighbor out of the binding mire and a light to pierce the blinding gloom. We return to our neighbor as God’s abolitionists, not to castigate the slave and blame him for his slavery, but to free him.”
Ex (re: 9:36 post):
Having nice conversation with reasonable people. Then you come stumbling in like some drunk uncle, ruining a good time. Move on.
In a way I have to admire the chutzpah. A liberal, pro-Obama and most everything that goes with it, personally opposed to abortion “pro-lifer” telling a no exceptions pro-lifer that they should exit a pro-life blog, to “move on”.
What is particularly disturbing about your comment is that while Truthseeker is trying to remind people of the harsh reality that support for Obama entails (i.e. a radically staunch supporter of abortion) you want to put out the “don’t disturb me with the facts” sign …I’m having a nice time here…don’t bother me with the fact that the guy I support promotes organizations that regularly mangle bodies of unborn babies. With that kind of attitude you would have fit in well in the 1940’s Germany.
The inhumanity and injustice to one sixth of our population demands people be reminded even at the expense of ruining their jolly time. A while ago I wrote about the distinctions between “lip service pro-life and heart service pro-life”. Whatever pro-life sentiment you profess to have is more than cancelled out by supporting the radically pro-abortion Obama.
This a pro-life site 100 percent dedicated to ending abortion on demand so expect to see pro-life activists like Truthseeker who give heart service to pro-life talking about ending abortion…its that simple. I don’t see that we have to change because you don’t like it.
Alexandra -
Sufjan actually has a new album out as well – it is very diverse – ranges from traditional to kind of crazy, so it takes a bit more getting used to. It’s a sing-a-long though, which is awesome. Looking forward to it.
“a radically staunch supporter of abortion” – what a crock, he’s no different to the previous umpteen presidents.
Jerry
Here’s the whole story.
Truth and I were debating on another thread, that was coming up to 300 posts (so we kept having to go to page 2). I said – hey, let’s debate on a different thread – here’s a few basic guidelines. Truth wouldn’t address it – wouldn’t take me up on it. So then this thread pops up, has a nice conversation going on regarding Christmas traditions, and then in comes truth, and – well, you can read the rest.
Just seemed tacky.
Ex-RINO, Besides being a hypocrite you are also a narcissist. You claim I am calling you out today because of some challenge you put forth in the past. That is beyond ridiculous. You are so completely blinded by narcissism that you can’t even comprehend the possibility that I am calling you out for casting your vote to be lead by America’s staunchest pro-abort. It must be because of some really important challenge you had put forth IN YOUR OWN MIND. You are sick Ex-RINO. Really sick.
Thanks truth – and Merry Christmas to you as well.
I’m simply not going to debate with you if you can’t agree to some civilized basic rules, which I laid out. I even kept them short.
I think you should follow your own advice and have nothing to do with the people you called out. Again, I fully encourage you to take up your own recommendation.
Lrning, I understand you celebrated Christmas in the past while you were pro-choice. At that time you were making a mockery of Christmas too; and somebody should have brought it to your attention.
Jerry, in the minds of people like Ex-RINO and mp they actually think that we will go away. In their eyes the election means we should. They don’t comprehend the actions of anybody living on principles
Nothing to do with them but keep them out of my space Ex-RINO. So get used to it if you have the fortitude to stick around.
“a radically staunch supporter of abortion” – what a crock, he’s no different to the previous umpteen presidents.
reality, how many presidents can you name who held fundraisers to support keeping partial-birth abortion legal? I am not expecting an answer. I expect you will read the question and ignore it. But should you answer that I have several more questions to help you fill your crock till it is overflowing.
“America’s staunchest pro-abort.” – hard for a serious discussion to take place when you make statements like this.
I’m starting to wonder if your crock hasn’t cracked truthseeker.
I feel no need to defend my pro-life credentials over this.
Good for you JDC cause hypothetically it would be indefensible for you to call yourself a defender of unborn children and supporter of Obama. Indefensible.
”it would be indefensible for you to call yourself a defender of unborn children and supporter of Obama. Indefensible.”
I actually said I would not have supported Obama if I hypothetically had the ability to do so, so I’m not sure what you’re saying here.
“I actually said I would not have supported Obama if I hypothetically had the ability to do so, so I’m not sure what you’re saying here.”
It’s because you’re Canadian. Haven’t you ever watched South Park? Everything is Canada’s fault. :D
reality, I see you didn’t answer my question…..wow. that is strange?? You did exactly as I predicted you would and avoided answering the question. You are a joke. You not only avoid answering the question that flat out proves how overtly radical Obama is in his staunch support of abortion; but you call me crazy for saying it. Nobody takes people like that seriously. If you want anybody to take you seriously you can’t just duck questions and claim the other person is crazy. I will answer that question for you so you can let me know if that makes him radical in his support of abortion. Or you can ignore it again….
Barack Obama is the ONLY president in the history of the US who ever held fundraisers to keep partial-birth abortion legal.
On what basis do you claim that obama held fundraisers to keep partial-birth abortion legal?
Were there any fundraisers in aid of this specific cause held under other presidents, by anyone?
You stated that obama is “America’s staunchest pro-abort” which is kinda insulting to a great number of other people who are more staunchly pro-abort than obama is.
The joke is the exaggerated rhetoric that you display.
Hi ts 7:18PM,
I really think you are going a bit overboard here. I respect your religious conviction but you sound more like you are reacting in anger than reason. Also, be more careful about throwing around PD terms like narcissist just because you disagree with someone.
Oh and ts, don’t waste your time debating Reality. Rather than give an intelligent argument or address your question, she will make a statement, you will ask her to back it up, however if she can’t address it, then YOU supposedly really know the answer, so you tell HER. Already she is doing little more than just parroting what you say and not addressing it.
Reality, How many people do you know who voted against the Born-Alive Infant Protection Act?
“It’s because you’re Canadian. Haven’t you ever watched South Park? Everything is Canada’s fault. ”
I used to love South Park, but I haven’t watched it in a while, I thought their last few seasons have been kind of so-so. However, I do get that reference, which is what really matters. :)
Lrning, I understand you celebrated Christmas in the past while you were pro-choice. At that time you were making a mockery of Christmas too; and somebody should have brought it to your attention.
Pfft. Celebrating Christmas was one of the things I got right back then. Supporting the “right to choose” was something I got wrong.
Mary, If you think I am angry now wait until Planned Parenthood comes out with their “Christmas gift card promotions”.
I am no expert on narcissism, perhaps vanity would have been a better choice of words.
“how many presidents can you name who held fundraisers to support keeping partial-birth abortion legal?” – none.
Now you can answer my question truthseeker. It’ll give you the opportunity to confirm or negate the answer I have given.
Then after that, perhaps you could move on to justifying your claim that obama is “America’s staunchest pro-abort”.
Lrning, in my house on Christmas all would be welcome including the lost souls like Ex-RINO. But the truth would be spoken.
“how many presidents can you name who held fundraisers to support keeping partial-birth abortion legal?” – none.
I’ll give you a clue. The name of the fundraiser was “The Women for Obama Luncheon”.
“The name of the fundraiser was “The Women for Obama Luncheon”.- so what. That’s not an answer.
Now, where’s your evidence that obama held fundraisers to keep partial-birth abortion legal?
And were there any fundraisers in aid of this specific cause held under other presidents, by anyone?
How will you justify your claim that obama is “America’s staunchest pro-abort”.
Reality, who is by far the largest recipient of campaign fundraising by the US abortion industry? Clue – They received more than fifteen times as much money from the abortion industry as any other candidate.
TS, this should help:
President Obama’s position as a senator on issues like partial-birth abortion– where a live baby is pulled partially out of the birthing canal, only to have its skull punctured with a sharp object– is known to many voters. Though he voted “present” a remarkable number of times, he voted three times against the Born Alive Act in Illinois, which says that babies who survive late-term abortions are entitled to all the rights and protections any other infant would receive.
Now, LifeNews has uncovered a fundraising letter signed by Michelle Obama in 2004– just one year after President Bush signed a bill banning partial-birth abortion– calling partial-birth abortion a “legitimate medical procedure.”
The letter begins:
We have all been concerned lately with the rise of conservatism in this country, especially as it relates to women. You’ve read the alarming news about the Justice Department’s request for hospitals to turn over the private medical records of dozens of patients. This cynical ploy is designed to intimidate a group of physicians and force them to drop their lawsuit seeking to have the so-called partial birth abortion ban ruled unconstitutional.
The fact remains, with no provision to protect the health of the mother, this ban on a legitimate medical procedure is clearly unconstitutional and must be overturned.
(I actually understand and agree with ts’s position about this, only without the religious flavoring, much to the chagrin of my better half. Having the background as a chef as he does, and being from the places he is, a good many of his friends are of a left-wing bent. After this election, I’ve completely written off a lot of them. I don’t think I should have to be friendly with people who are doing things which are actively bringing about the destruction of my country.)
Reality, what politician infamously stated that he wouldn’t want his daughter punished with a baby?
The republicans should tie raising taxes on the wealthy to defunding Planned Parenthood. That would ROCK. Obama would never do it. He’d be crushed.
“who is by far the largest recipient of campaign fundraising by the US abortion industry?” – I’ll guess the democrats, am I right?
“what politician infamously stated that he wouldn’t want his daughter punished with a baby” – which one of how many?
Truthseeker, stop trying to evade providing evidence for your claim that “obama held fundraisers to keep partial-birth abortion legal.”
And tell me if there were any fundraisers in aid of this specific cause held under other presidents, by anyone?
And that “obama is “America’s staunchest pro-abort”.
You were quite strident with your claims, can you back them up?
Unions have got to go. They are savages and they are sucking the country dry.
http://nation.foxnews.com/steven-crowder/2012/12/11/union-thugs-attack-steven-crowder
“I’ll guess the democrats, am I right?”
On point it is Obama. He several times more then all the rest of the democrats combined.
I guess I’ll just have to assume that you are unable to support the claims you made about obama then thruthseeker.
Is truthseeker your monicker because you’re still trying to find the truth?
t*seeker –
I essentially have four issues with debating with you:
– You are unbelievably rude.
– You are a single issue voter. This, in and of itself isn’t bad – I’m just saying that we’ll never be speaking from teh same fundamental viewpoint because you believe abortion voting trumps everything else – and I don’t believe that.
– You completley and utterly botch not only the facts – but basic concepts – for instance, the differences between medicare and medicaid.
– You don’t have the mental capacity/focus to stay on one issue. Once confronted with information, you simply pull out the next buzz sentence and throw out some other accusation.
ts,
This may help. Please stay on topic. This isn’t a discussion on unions.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/who-is-the-real-extremist-on-abortion/article/2511927
An article by Tim Carney? In Anschutz’s little rag? Bwahaha!
“I’m just saying that we’ll never be speaking from teh same fundamental viewpoint because you believe abortion voting trumps everything else”
Wrong Ex-RINO, That ONE issue litmus test easily speaks volumes for who a person is. I could never trust the leaders of the abortion industry or the people who support abortion so it goes without saying that I would never vote for one these people to lead me. And I thank God and the Holy Spirit for the strength of my love for families and and specifically my respect for a mother and her child. I am proud to stand with anybody who would stand beside in in a fight against the abortion and against those who promote the abortion industry. Those are the kind of people who make me feel at home.
So truthseeker, you are one of those who would vote for an anti-choice mugabe over a pro-choice mandela?
Any evidence for your claims regarding obama yet?
You completley and utterly botch not only the facts – but basic concepts – for instance, the differences between medicare and medicaid.
One post days ago I called medicaid medicare. Corrected it the very next post and the following ten but you still haven’t been able to get over it. Just one more pathetic attempt by Ex-RINO to derail the conversation away from his abortive tendencies.
reality, are you saying that the fact that Obama gets more than five times the amount of campaign funds from the abortion industry as all the other Democrats combined is not proof that he is a stalwart pro-abort? These are very illogical thoughts you are having.
“a stalwart pro-abort” – ah, ‘stalwart’ now is it? Bit of a back-pedal from “America’s staunchest pro-abort” isn’t it.
“Barack Obama is the ONLY president in the history of the US who ever held fundraisers to keep partial-birth abortion legal.” – look, you were so confident you ‘shouted’ it. Shouldn’t be hard to provide evidence then should it.
“Those are the kind of people who make me feel at home.” – someone like Nicolae Ceausescu truthseeker?
http://caraobrien.tumblr.com/post/352715826/decree-770-abortion-outlawed-in-communist-romania
Oh, and by the way truthseeker, as a demonstration of what Ex-GOP said about your approach a little while ago:
“are you saying that the fact that Obama gets more than five times the amount of campaign funds from the abortion industry as all the other Democrats combined is not proof that he is a stalwart pro-abort?” – I made no comment or observation one way or the other.
Therefore truthseeker, your claim “These are very illogical thoughts you are having” has no foundation. :-)
reality, lets take a tally here…
Lets keep the list going. Four so far – 1) Held the “Women for Obama” funraiser where all proceeds went to fund an attempt to reverse the partial-birth abortion ban. 2) Voted against the Born-Alive Infant Protection Act 3) infamously stated that he wouldn’t want his daughter punished with a baby? 4) Abortion industry supported his re-election campaign with several times more in contributions then they gave to the rest of the politicians combined.
Now the fifth piece of evidence that Obama is extreme in his support of abortion. He refused to allow Hyde-like language into Obamacare.
I made no comment or observation one way or the other.
Your CONTINUAL begging for more proof could logically be construed as meaning that you disagreed with the proof already given. But then you never let logic get in your way do you?
Tally ho, tally fail. “the fifth piece of evidence” – where are the first four?
“Held the “Women for Obama” funraiser where all proceeds went to fund an attempt to reverse the partial-birth abortion ban” – so you keep saying. Where’s the evidence?
“Voted against the Born-Alive Infant Protection Act” – understandable.
“infamously stated that he wouldn’t want his daughter punished with a baby” – infamously? I would have said rationally stated.
“Abortion industry supported his re-election campaign with several times more in contributions then they gave to the rest of the politicians combined.” – if you say so. Haven’t seen you actually produce any evidence though.
“Now the fifth piece of evidence that Obama is extreme in his support of abortion.” – that’s not evidence, that’s your opinion!
‘Extreme’ now? Before it was ‘stalwart’. Earlier it was ‘America’s staunchest’. Make up your mind! These are very illogical thoughts you are having ;-)
You keep tripping over your own skipping rope truth, tying a variety of slipknots in your laces ain’t gonna remedy that.
Show me some proof that “Barack Obama is the ONLY president in the history of the US who ever held fundraisers to keep partial-birth abortion legal.” and that he is “America’s staunchest pro-abort”.
reality, The abortion industry gave five times more money to Obama’s 2012 re-election campaign then they gave to all the other democRATs combined. It is safe to assume that Obama is not only a stalwart supporter of said organization but there is a five-to-one chance that Obama is the abortion industry’s staunchest supporter.
http://influenceexplorer.com/organization/planned-parenthood/a3bf2b2a33a84534a706a2d04c52de95
“I made no comment or observation one way or the other. Your CONTINUAL begging for more proof could logically be construed as meaning that you disagreed with the proof already given.”
As is plainly evident to anyone who can read, I made the statement “I made no comment or observation one way or the other” in regard to your claims that obama had received multiple times the funding from PP or whoever than the rest of the world did.
Until my comment immediately above I had not even hinted at requiring proof of your claim.
So your claim that I demonstrated “CONTINUAL begging for more proof could logically be construed as meaning that you disagreed with the proof already given” makes no sense because you hadn’t provided any proof for me to disagree with. Nor had I asked for any at that time.
But then you never let logic get in your way do you?
“It is safe to assume that Obama is not only a stalwart supporter of said organization but there is a five-to-one chance that Obama is the abortion industry’s staunchest supporter” – what ‘supplements’ do you take to come up with this stuff? ‘A five-to-one chance….the abortions industry’s staunchest supporter’ – stretching the bounds of credulity to points beyond imagination. Did you study astrology to construct the maths and logic behind that?
‘A five-to-one chance….the abortions industry’s staunchest supporter’
Whisk…right over your head.
Shall we go for six?
“Whisk…right over your head.” – that’s where extra-planetary objects are found ;-)
“Shall we go for six?”
Shall we go for facts? Then maybe you could start by trying for one.
You claimed that “Barack Obama is the ONLY president in the history of the US who ever held fundraisers to keep partial-birth abortion legal.”
You also claimed that obama is “America’s staunchest pro-abort.”
I have asked you to provide proof for both these claims.
Your response so far?
A string of increasingly absurd claims allied with questions to me about those claims.
Like I said, You keep tripping over your own skipping rope and tying a variety of slipknots in your laces ain’t gonna remedy that.
Can you or can you not, provide evidence for the two claims outlined?
Or to put it in your language – supercalifragilisticexpialidocious?
Six it is then.
Obama is mandating all health care policies are required to distribute no-charge abortificients.
seven – the president of Planned Parenthood was chosen to speak at the democRATic convention and also is a frequent diner at Obama fundraisers.
You obviously acquiesce regarding your claims then truthseeker. Your choice.
eight – NARAL endorsed Obama over Hillary Clinton.
You might want to hook yourself up to a safety line, the rungs on your ladder are broken.
nine – Obama supports gender selection abortion.
Perhaps you ought to put a bib on if you’re going to dribble all night.
I’m off to bed to dream about a certain little goat I’ve come to know who repeatedly fails to clear a series of hurdles. Quite low hurdles at that.
ten – he supports fetal development reduction services on an international scale.
11 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JB7fhN5-RI
Reality 10:57PM
Unless you can give an intelligent argument, there’s a first time for everything, or give another source disproving what I posted, try to contain your canned laughter.
Reality 12:14am
Try to get your facts straight about then Communist Romania. It was run by a deranged dictator who had fantasies about producing his own private domain of minions. People were forced into auterity of cold, hunger, darkness and hopelessness. It would be as if during the Great Depression then President Roosevelt had ordered every American woman, no matter how desperate her circumstances, to bear at least five children. We would have seen the same thing. During the Ukrainian famine under Soviet dictator Stalin, mothers put their starving children on trains out of the country hoping they would be found and cared for.
Under dire circumstances, like that of the Ukrainian and Romanian women, we can’t expect people to react as they normally would, and also see people driven to do very desperate and terrible things.
Also, do you have a problem with forced abortion in China and gender selection abortion? As someone who calls herself pro-choice and feminist, I would think you would be outraged.
truth -
But that isn’t the first time you’ve had issues with the difference between medicare and medicaid. Plus, numerous times, you asked how many doctors the government was going to hire. And do what with them – sell them to medical facilities?
Furthermore, your method of debate is to just spitfire claims you’ve seen from odd sites. For instance, the 73% of new jobs numbers. You grabbed it from a bizarre site, I quickly refuted it – you never apologized, made mention of it at all…it just gets old quite frankly, being your researcher and fact checker. You need to learn to research some of these things themselves so that you are more education in what you post.
T*seeker
Your 11:33 post.
So you say that I”m wrong in saying you are a one issue voter, and then you essentially say that if you don’t agree with them on abortion, you can’t trust them with anything else.
So aren’t you saying you are essentially a one issue voter – that this trumps everything else?
Please explain and clarify – are you a one issue voter or not? If you don’t understand what a single issue voter is, don’t be bashful – just ask and Reality or I can explain.
t*seeker -
So you had issue with two of the four reasons I gave, but not the other two? Are we in agreement then on these two issues?
– You are unbelievably rude.- You don’t have the mental capacity/focus to stay on one issue. Once confronted with information, you simply pull out the next buzz sentence and throw out some other accusation.
“Yeah people say that but I seriously can’t imagine just walking into a church and being like “what’s up I’m lonely, what are you all up to?” I can’t imagine being accepted like that.”
Hey Jack – I just wanted to interrupt this little back/forth to mention that I will totally be the random loner in a strange church this Sunday. For a variety of reasons not really important to get into here, I will be lurking somewhere in the back at a Catholic mass, which I’ve never attended before. Mostly to get the hang of how it goes and the kneeling/standing stuff, etc. I don’t really expect to be “accepted” but I’d be pretty surprised if people outright rejected me. No one is realistically going to run up to me and be like “You profane the meaning of mass by being here when you refuse to believe in God.” That kind of stuff happens here but rarely IRL. It’d be super awkward if it happened on Sunday, true, but it’s also highly unlikely. I know that it’s kind of weird to be like “hi I guess I will go sit in a church today with a bunch of other people” when you don’t believe in God, but if you ever want to do it, you totally can. You don’t even need a reason for wanting to.
If you speak Spanish, lots of Catholic churches have services in Spanish since the Hispanic community is so strongly Catholic. I’ve heard before that those services can often be kind of a more assertively welcoming, accepting community, because it’s kind of like a community that you’re already a part of by virtue of being a subset demographic in the first place. ymmv.
You can also just go and sit in lots of churches when there is no service, if you want. I don’t really know about some of the new Protestant mega-churchy type denominations, but Catholic churches and other kind of old-school churches are often open to the public for a good portion of the day. In the past, when I have just felt overwhelmed by sadness or despair, I would sometimes go and light a candle just because it was something to “do,” some futile gesture of action in the face of my general powerlessness, etc. And then I would just kind of sit there while it burned for a while, if I wanted to. Nobody really cared that I was there. I hate the electric votives, though, ugh why >:(
Obviously I am not trying to get you to go to church, lol, considering I am not a Christian myself. But I just wanted to note that if you ever WANT to, you can, even if you don’t really have a reason for wanting to.
– You are unbelievably rude.-
I’d say it’s an order of magnitude beyond rude.
And, again, I really don’t know why you and others bother.
Hey Alexandra.
Yeah… I am just really, really socially awkward and shy, and the thought of going into any group of people, much less a church with my rather painful history with Christianity, just sounds absolutely petrifying. Especially uninvited and not knowing anyone. I just can’t imagine it.
I do speak Spanish, I’ve spoken it as long as I have spoken English lol. I actually live in a heavily Latino neighborhood, most of my neighbors I believe are Catholic. They are friendly people, though I am not close to any of them. If I were smart I would try to get invited to their church on Christmas, I spent Thanksgiving alone and drunk so I would rather not do that for Christmas lol.
Jack,
I’ve always been the type of person who likes to sort of blend into the wall. Kind of like the “Observers” on the show Fringe (before the show jumped the shark and they became invaders :) ).
Ex
My memories of your cage matches with truthseeker may be fuzzy, but I don’t believe he said the government should make up for the coming shortfall of doctors (which, by the way, doesn’t seem to concern you??).
His point was a bit of the flip of pro-choicers saying, “Oh yeah, who’s going to take care of all these babies?” He was just saying, “Where are these doctors going to come from that will be needed to care for these patients? Is the government going to hire them?”
I apologize for being a thread-prolonger. ;)
Hi Jack,
Being fluent in two languages, have you ever thought of working as a translator? There are so many areas, courts, hospitals, businesses, etc. I am so envious of people fluent in more than one language. I am conversant in French and have done some translating, but I’m sure nothing on the scale equal to you. My mother always regretted that her family did not push her to learn German, as she was surrounded by German speaking relatives and her mother was fluent in it. She still feels she lost a golden opportunity.
The daughter of one of my co-workers is hearing impaired and fluent in sign language and lip reading. She is taking training to be a medical translator for the hearing impaired.
Hi Alexandra,
Always good to see you and I hope all is well. I still remember how you lit a candle for my daughter and it still means so much.
“give another source disproving what I posted” – disprove what Mary? Its not like you posted anything factual or evidential. It was an opinion piece by someone with an extremist viewpoint, published in a newspaper owned by someone with an extremist viewpoint.
So tell me, O non-evidential thruthseeker, has obama publicly declared himself to be in support of abortion being legal until eighteen months after birth?
Are you going to provide evidence for your claim that “Barack Obama is the ONLY president in the history of the US who ever held fundraisers to keep partial-birth abortion legal.”, or are you going to admit you are wrong?
Reality,
I understand fully that you are unable to give an intelligent rebuttal or provide an opposing source. For future reference Reality, when this happens, do us all a favor and put a sock in it.
His point was a bit of the flip of pro-choicers saying, “Oh yeah, who’s going to take care of all these babies?” He was just saying, “Where are these doctors going to come from that will be needed to care for these patients? Is the government going to hire them?”
Hans, thanks for pointing out one more instance of our troll’s modus operandi… feigning inability to comprehend what is said by redirecting the conversation off of the pending Obamacare doctor shortage and by attacking the person who is calling him ou or ignoring what is posted to them and repeating themselves Just count how many times Ex-RINO and Reality have done it on this thread alone. This thread is a lesson in troll modus-operandi and a testament to how little substance they actually offer to back up their positions.
How is it that you seem unable to discern between an opinion piece and a factual article Mary?
There is no need to rebut or provide an ‘opposing source’. It was opinionated drivel by a well-known opinion driveller which was published in a paper owned by a notorious driveller of extremist views. It contained no facts and no evidence of anything.
I responded with my opinion of the article and its ‘writer’. No sock required.
“This thread is a lesson in troll modus-operandi and a testament to how little substance they actually offer to back up their positions.” – yes, you have given us a sublime demonstration of this.
You made claims for which you have refused to provide evidence.
You made claims for which you have refused to provide evidence.
reality, your comprehension deficit disorder seems to be in high gear.
1) Held the “Women for Obama” funraiser where all proceeds went to fund an attempt to reverse the partial-birth abortion ban.
2) Voted against the Born-Alive Infant Protection Act
3) infamously stated that he wouldn’t want his daughter punished with a baby.
4) Abortion industry supported his re-election campaign with several times more in contributions then they gave to the rest of the politicians combined.
5) Obama refused to allow Hyde-like language into Obamacare.
6) Obama is mandating all health care policies are required to distribute no-charge abortificients.
7) the president of Planned Parenthood was chosen to speak at the democRATic convention and also is a frequent diner at Obama fundraisers.
8) NARAL endorsed Obama over Hillary Clinton.
9) Obama supports gender selection abortion.
10) Obama supports fetal development reduction services on an international scale.
11) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JB7fhN5-RI
Reality,
If its just an opinion piece, then you should have no problem rebutting it with a credible source. So, please do so, otherwise take my advice about the sock.
It is you who has repeatedly failed to deliver anything rational truthseeker.
1) you originally made this as a separate claim, you ‘yelled’ it. But if you now wish to include it in your little list that’s fine. But I dispute your claim, and despite numerous requests, you have failed to provide anything to support your claim. Until and unless you do then it is invalid.
2) as would any rational person. It was loaded with nasty little ‘add-ons’.
3) it is your opinion that it is ‘infamous’. I find it rational. Therefore it doesn’t count as evidence. Only opinion.
4) hey, I was willing to accept this despite your complete failure to prove it to be true.
5) makes sense.
6) not exactly.
7) so what.
8) so what.
9) I might accept this once you provide proof.
10) again, proof?
11) I didn’t hear the word abortion mentioned, did I miss it?
OK, so you’ve made what you consider to be an extensive list of reasons for why you claim that obama is “America’s staunchest pro-abort”. Except that you haven’t provided any proof whatsoever for half your claims and the rest are merely viewpoint.
See this? This is me not turning blue. Why am I not turning blue? Because I am not holding my breath waiting for you to provide any evidence, particularly on point 1).
Mary, you provided a link to an opinion piece which I found ludicrous and I said so. Opinion about an opinion. Thats all it is. I have already said it provided zero facts or evidence to be rebutted. So put your socks back on before your feet get cold :-)
“Being fluent in two languages, have you ever thought of working as a translator?”
Lol well in my city I am pretty sure that at least half of everyone is bilingual, if not more. I actually find it weird when I find people that can’t speak Spanish. I do think, though, if I ever bother to go to school for anything, that I have a leg up for being fluent in another language.
Reality,
LOLLLLL. Thank you for your concern about my feet. Any time you can present a source disproving the ”opinions” expressed in my ”opinion piece”, please do.
“Any time you can present a source disproving the ”opinions” – a source disproving opinions, really?
ROFLMBO
Eating offal is disgusting. – please disprove.
Chevies are better than Fords – please disprove.
Rick Santorum is a raving half-wit loon – please disprove.
Michelle Bachmann is a consummate liar – please disprove.
Anyone who paints their front door red is a communist – please disprove.
Major LOL ;-)
Reality,
Since you have been reduced to making idiotic comments, I think I will just again take my late dear friend Big Joe’s advice: Laugh at idiots, make fun of idiots, let them makes fools of themselves, but never argue with one.
Hi Jack,
Good point about another language, but don’t be so certain your talent couldn’t somehow be put to good use. Companies, hospitals, courts, etc. need interpreters. We have a system called “marti” at our hospital, I don’t know what it stands for, where we can contact a translator via laptop. Its a great system and I wonder if it serves nationwide.
“Since you have been reduced to making idiotic comments” – I think I started a long way behind you Mary.
“present a source disproving the ”opinions” – I think I’ll be able to dine out on that one.
#12 – As an Illinois senator Obama voted ‘present’ twice on Parental Notification of Abortion Laws.
#13 – Obama is rated at 0% by the National Right to Life Commitee
#14 – obama hasn’t permitted billboards of defenstrated fetuses to be erected on Mars.
You can list for as long as you want truthseeker. Until and unless you can prove half of your claims, particularly 1), then you are simply urinating into a headwind.
#14 – Obama supports black genocide:
https://www.jillstanek.com/2011/03/breaking-new-abortion-is-black-genocide-chicago-billboard-to-feature-obama/
“Barack Obama is the ONLY president in the history of the US who ever held fundraisers to keep partial-birth abortion legal.” – prove it dreamweaver.
Reality. are aware of any other president who held campaign fundraisers where the proceeds were donated to the legalization of partial-birth abortion? Or are you denying that there was ever a Barack Obama campaign fundraiser where the proceeds were donated to the legalization of partial-birth abortion? You have been provided with a link to a letter from Michelle Obama inviting people to Barack’s campaign fundraiser. Proof #1/
“Barack Obama is the ONLY president in the history of the US who ever held fundraisers to keep partial-birth abortion legal.” – prove it dreamweaver.
The letter doesn’t prove your claim dreamweaver.
Truth:
Mary reminded you some 24 hours ago that arguing with the likes of Reality is really a waste of your precious time and energy. Reality is a troll. You could give 1000 examples to explain your point and it would not matter. All it accomplishes is that you have fed the troll.
Do yourself a favor and let it rest and come back to fight another day. Thank you nevertheless for your efforts. While we know that abortion is a heinous, brutal, and terribly unjust act against the unborn child, there are people who lie to themselves about this and for those the only answer is the hope that grace will enlighen their darkened intellects.
If you review what has occured Jerry, you would note that I have asked truthseeker numerous times to provide proof for the claim he made that “Barack Obama is the ONLY president in the history of the US who ever held fundraisers to keep partial-birth abortion legal.” and he has comprehensively failed to do so. His response has been to list umpteen minor claims which he thinks make obama “America’s staunchest pro-abort”. Half of those have been without evidence either. I have also asked him if obama has publicly declared support for abortion being legal until eighteen months after birth. His response was to continue with his half-baked list.
If you think that makes me the troll then I suggest you may need to reappraise the situation. My position is quite clear and I have proferrred no information on this topic which could be misconstrued or an example of overblown rhetoric. All I have done is ask for proof of truthseekers claims. He has done everything except come up with the goods.
Jerry, thanks for the thought. Mary’s friend Big Joe had some good advice I am sure. It won’t end up being a complete waste of time cause I was able to stay focused and put together a long list of pro-abort evidence detailing Obama’s extreme record on abortion. In reality’s mind supporting partial birth – jab them in the head with a scissors abortion and refusing to sign a law protecting born alive infants.
“put together a long list of pro-abort evidence detailing Obama’s extreme record on abortion” – no, you put together a long list of claims. Some are correct, some are positions of opinion and others were alleged without any supporting evidence.
As is your main claim, still. You have not answered the questions.
All I have done is ask for proof of truthseekers claims. He has done everything except come up with the goods.
Unfortunately, what I see here is a fundamental failure to understand the meaning of “evidence.”
It doesn’t surprise me, but it does disturb me.
However, and I must say this again, I don’t know why you bothered.
I think you’re right mp, his failure is patently obvious anyway and it just looks like its been my turn to feed the troll :-)
Mary, I remember lighting a candle for your daughter as well! I still think of you guys. :)
Jack, no big deal. I’m super shy too; I actually got red-shirted after kindergarten and put into a little pre-first grade class for a year because I was basically chronically shy and awkward and asked the teacher for permission to do EVERYTHING – permission to sit in this specific chair, on this specific place in the rug; permission to put my coat on, permission to take it off again after recess; etc. I got over that kind of crippling approval-needing but I still am really shy. Usually I feel like the worst part about doing something wrong or awkward is everyone KNOWING you feel awkward and dumb, because then it’s like an awkwardness spiral that descends rapidly, so I just square my shoulders and smile no matter what happens, and that helps a lot. :) It’s how I get through like 90% of my workday sometimes, honestly. Sometimes I think that my main job is acting – I act like a competent project manager. lol.
As far as being bilingual, I am probably one of like 5 people in my neighborhood who doesn’t speak Spanish as a primary language. I speak it enough to get by in a pinch but really it’s just a pidgin that I cobbled together from studying French at pretty high levels (ie taking lit courses in French) and from spending so much time around Spanish speakers. There are stores and delis that I have to speak Spanish in because the employees don’t speak English, etc. And there are all these little old ladies in my building who just talk and talk at me in Spanish and I talk back in English and I’m pretty sure they don’t understand me any more than I understand them but I guess those conversations are more about talking than communicating, so it works. Plus people often assume I’m hispanic, so even when I’m in the touristy parts of the city rather than my little enclave, lots of tourists just assume I speak Spanish and ask me directions or recommendations etc and I always feel like a failure. I am very jealous of your bilingual skillz!
I wish my grandparents would’ve taught my mom and her siblings how to speak Spanish so they could’ve taught us. :(
Voy a enseñarte español, X!
Lol I never had to “learn” Spanish, I just picked it up because my mom doesn’t really speak English very well at all, unless my dad was home from work Spanish was the only language people were speaking at home.
Eso está muy bien, Jack! ¡Gracias!
My pronunciation for my Spanish class in high school was pretty good, though. I was the only one who could do the “rolling R” sound. My babydoll can’t do it. I tease him. So does the Hispanic kitchen staff. XD
*pops popcorn* Dang. This is the thread that never ends.
“*pops popcorn* Dang. This is the thread that never ends.”
At least it’s going in more interesting directions than most of our threads that never end.
I know this is going to sound like a weird question…but how did your mom pronounce your name, Jack? I know Spanish speakers always had difficulty with my father’s, and it starts with a similar sound.
JDC, you speak the truth, as per usual. : ) Fascinating little rabbit trails. I speak spanish too, y’all!!
X, think how native Spanish speakers say “Jose” (really soft “k” and an “h” sound too). So my name sounds kinda like “khack” when my mom actually bothered to even use my name. My dad named all of us with American sounding names, to my mother’s eternal dismay.
Bonjour, comment-allez vous. Je suis tres bien. Bon journee et a bientot,
“JDC, you speak the truth, as per usual. : )”
Aw, LibertyBelle, you’re so sweet. :) I call things as I see them, so it’s good to know that what I see is the truth.
I don’t know any Spanish and I dropped French after grade nine, so I don’t understand too much of the recent parts of this conversation. :(
It’s okay, I’ll speak English. It is, after all, my native language. : ) NP! Got your truth goggles on, JDC. haha
Bonjour, comment-allez vous. Je suis tres bien. Bon journee et a bientot,
Mary,
Je suis formidable! Merci.
I’m ashamed I never did any studying of Swedish, what with 3 Swedish grandparents and 1 Norwegian. I really only know about a dozen words, but that about matches my Hindi vocubalary from watching Bollywood movies! :)
Despite my four years of French, I’d have to have an intense refresher if I were ever to visit Paris. Which I have no desire to do. Not even Montreal! ;)
Now to see if the end of Page 1 was of interest. Frankly, I like this rabbit trail better. :)
Hans –
Thanks for volunteering to be t*seekers translator. I’m really looking forward to the help. For instance, when he asked me multiple times how many doctors the government was going to hire to make up for the shortfalls, it would have been helpful to have you right there to explain that this isn’t what t*seeker meant, but instead, meant that there will be shortfalls. You’d be helpful as well when he mixes up medicare and medicaid.
Thanks for taking on this new role Hans – it will be greatly apprciated.
Too busy following Peter Cottontail. I wouldn’t follow that big White Rabbit, if I were you. I hear he’s going to a strange tea party. And the Mad Hatter creeps me out.
Hi Jack 11:08am
How you describe your learning Spanish is the theory behind the Primsleur Approach to learning a language, that the human brain is wired to learn a language by listening and repeating, not textbooks and blackboards. Most of us learned in school from books, recitation, and conjugating verbs, which explains why children pick up language so easily and adults find it almost impossible. In fact, using the proper method, adults can pick up a language as well as children. It also explains why illiterate people can easily speak several languages.
I used this method and it really helped improve my French and ability to understand it. In fact, they insist you do no reading of the language, only listen. While I could read and translate French into English, and English into French, I had a terrible understanding it.
Hi Hans,
Vous vous appelez Hans et vous ne parlez pas Allemange? Je suis tres heureuse que vous etes formidable. Maintenant, je doit parler anglais parce que Jill ne sera pas tres heureuse avec moi si je parle francais.
Hans, I would try the Primsleur approach if you want to learn a language. You may be pleasantly surprised to discover you retained more than you thought.
My grandmother only spoke German around me when she was discussing a family scandal with her sister. Talk about frustrating! My mother retained very little but her brother was assigned to a POW camp for German POWs in WW2 because he spoke it so well.
Oh and translation: You are named Hans and you don’t speak German? I am happy you are “tremendous”. Now I must speak English because Jill will not be very happy with me if I speak French.
“Got your truth goggles on, JDC”
Yay, my glasses now have a nickname.
Hans, The second page seems to be more of a ‘blue pill’ trip and it does seem more enjoyable.
#15 – Obama is so extreme in his stance on abortion that it is not enough people be allowed to choose abortion for themselves he is trying to force Catholic people and Catholic hospitals to be break with their religious doctrine and assist others in killing unborn children.
I am from Illinois, as is Jill who has the sidebar about Obama on the right hand side of her every opening page. We have seen the abortion president in action longer than the rest of the nation. We have talked to his colleagues in the state senate who worked with him. We know of his duplicity and lies. We have seen his videotaped performances in front of Planned Parenthood gatherings, glowing in their adulation of him as he promises them his total support. We have heard him talking about unborn children as a “punishment”. In his own words he supports letting children die without medical attention lest it weaken the legal support for abortion… if that is not radical nothing is. We know he supports partial birth abortion and that sets him apart from his own extreme proabort democrat party. There is no single cause that defines Obama better than that of his radical support for abortion.
Mary,
Non, je ne parle pas Allemagne. Je suis Suede et Norge (et Amercain). Comme ca est ecrivez?
I must stop that, I’m sure I had misspellings all over. Not everyone believes Germans are a brother tribe to the Scandinavians! Not every Pablo is Mexican! :)
Hi Hans,
LOL. I couldn’t resist teasing you. :) You did a pretty good job writing that too! People often assumed I was Danish because of my maiden name, my father was adopted as a child by a Danish couple. And the 50s was not a good time to announce my Russian heritage with the Cold War in overdrive!