Pro-life news brief 1-21-13
by JivinJ, host of the blog, JivinJehoshaphat
- The Crescat discusses her abortion experience:
The glass container was half full and splattered with blood. Even the tube that fed into the container was crusted with blood….All those graphic photos you’ve ever seen of tiny dismembered arms and legs are accurate. Only this wasn’t just one set of tiny arms and legs… this looked like all the babies that had been aborted that day. All together in one glass container….
They hadn’t even bothered to clean the equipment between patients and I suddenly realized they had every intention of using the same filthy equipment on me.
- Businessweek profiles Michigan abortion clinic owner Rene Chelian (pictured left). While the article seems to try to sympathetically paint Chelian as a victim of the pro-life movement, some facts could prevent most readers from seeing Chelian as a poor abortion provider – namely, her 6500 square foot home, 2-karat diamond ring (which she removes when she goes to Lansing to lobby), and the $200,000+ she and her husband are paid by the clinic.
- The AP has a long article on the abortion debate 40 years after Roe:
Of the roughly 1.2 million U.S. women who have abortions each year, half are 25 or older, about 18 percent are teens, and the rest are 20-24. About 60 percent have given birth to least one child prior to getting an abortion. A disproportionately high number are black or Hispanic; and regardless of race, high abortion rates are linked to economic hard times. - ABC has an article on the documentary film, After Tiller (clip below), which follows four abortionists (Warren Hern, LeRoy Carhart, Susan Robinson and Shelley Sella) who commit late-term abortions. Robinson notes that many of the 3rd trimester abortions are performed for completely elective reasons on women who didn’t know they were pregnant:
Then there’s the group of women who didn’t know they were pregnant…. They were told they were not pregnant for one reason or another and they are just as desperate. ‘I already have three children, my husband just lost his job and I can barely put food on the table. If I add a new baby to this family, we’ll all go under.'”
[Chelian photo via Businessweek]
Jan.21, 2013 4:00 pm |
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
They were told they were not pregnant for one reason or another and they are just as desperate. ‘I already have three children, my husband just lost his job and I can barely put food on the table. If I add a new baby to this family, we’ll all go under.’”
(Denise) A family allowance system would take care of this. $ would be added by the gov’t for the new baby. Finances should never be a reason for abortion in the United States.
The thing about that container reminds me of something I read in a book about abortion, “In Necessity and Sorrow” by Magda Denes. A worker lost her ring in a jar full of embryo parts — her engagement ring no less!
One thing about that woman who has 3 kids and is pregnant again: the problem might not only be financial. While a family allowance system would take care of that, there would still be the possibility that the lady just doesn’t have the time and energy to raise 4 kids. We no longer have extended families and often don’t even have nuclear families. There aren’t enough adults around to care for the kids of a large family.
One thing about that woman who has 3 kids and is pregnant again: the problem might not only be financial. While a family allowance system would take care of that, there would still be the possibility that the lady just doesn’t have the time and energy to raise 4 kids. We no longer have extended families and often don’t even have nuclear families. There aren’t enough adults around to care for the kids of a large family.
Denise, that is BS. I have 9 kids, 7 of whom are still in our house, only one of which drives. We live where I grew up, but I had a small family, and my mother is the only family member here who can help us with the kids. And she is quite busy and physically limited regarding her ability to help. My wife (who is a saint, by the way) carries the biggest load as I work and she does not, although I am also very involved. Anyone that chooses to care for a large family can do so. By the way, we are in a good place financially now, but it was not always that way. We have sacrificed a great deal over the years so that my wife could stay home because that was our priority. While our friends were taking big vacations, driving new cars, buying new homes and going out to eat, we were shopping at Goodwill, repairing our old cars in our garage ourselves, buying and rehabbing unliveable homes and eating baloney sandwiches. And you know what? It was worth every bit of it and still is. That lady may not have “felt” like doing it or “wanted” to do it. But don’t tell me she couldn’t do it because the truth is she just “chose” not to do so when in fact she could have.
Once again, what about adoption? Would it really be more traumatic to give birth to a baby and place her with a loving family instead of having her brains sucked out and then having her thrown out with the “medical waste?”
Amen Phillymiss! What about adoption? Why isn’t that a preferable option to dismembering your child?
Oh and my friend (who is white) and her husband (who is also white) just adopted twin black babies last month! Omigosh they are so adorable! so tiny and so much hair!!! They just had professional portraits done and every single picture made me squeal! so much for that myth pro-aborts like to spread that no one would adopt black babies and families only want white babies. I don’t know who the mother is but I know my friend is so thankful she chose adoption and not abortion!
Factors such as ongoing gestational risks (fetus and woman), loss of study or work capacity due to things like morning sickness or pre-eclampsia, delivery being riskier than termination – this is why many women don’t continue with an unwanted pregnancy phillymiss.
Reality,
How often is that really the reason women abort, though? 3, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 percent of the time? I’m not saying I agree with it, but your comment suggested that’s THE reason women abort…and it’s not always the reason.
Not EVERY pregnancy is difficult. There are some that ARE, but there are also some that are NOT.
You and the rest of the pro-choice crowd would have the entire population believe that pregnancy is an evil, dangerous situation that women should shun and fear. If that’s the case, then how are we, as a species, supposed to continue? We’ll die out if everyone stops having babies simply because there are risks involved.
There are risks involved in almost every thing worth doing in this life. You take a job, there’s a risk you could be fired, let go, or suck at it. Yet, there’s a need to provide for self and family.
You take a risk of being in an accident every time you get behind the wheel of a car. Yet, people do it anyway to get from place to place.
You take a risk every single time you wake up in the morning that something bad might happen.
Living life itself is a risk. There’s illness, there’s heartbreak, there’s good and bad people in the world…yet, you risk it every day you’re alive. You risk it every day you open your eyes to a new day of your life.
If your life is worth so much to you that you are willing to take that risk, then why shouldn’t a pregnant woman take that same risk?
There is NO such thing as sex without consequences. Some people really, really want that. However, (and we’re just going to deal with consenual here, I know there’s ALL KINDS of situations, but let’s stick with one for the sake of argument), if a woman is going to go ahead, have sex, then she needs to be prepared to accept what might happen and so does the man. (See, I’m NOT just placing all the responsibility on the woman here).
We (both men and women) have to take responsbility for our actions. Let’s face it. There’s been times where whatever people use for family planning there’s been a surprise pregnancy or an unplanned one (depending on your perspective) but why should the unborn human being pay the price for being a surprise? Why do adults who understand how these things happen get away with it and the unborn human “disappears” through abortion? (“dies”, “ends”, “disapears”, either way, the unborn human is gone when it comes to abortion–and before you say it’s “tissues and cells” let’s just go with what KIND of tissues and cells it is…developing human being).
We can’t live our lives consequence-free. It’s impossible. The whole rule of cause-and-effect makes that impossible.
So, I ask you, just because there’s a risk involved and things might not turn out so well women should just quit reproducing? Or in your perception, only women who are DESPERATE to have children should have children–but then again, some of those women who WANT babies can’t even have them, which is why some of them adopt.
It is a grave injustice for anyone to ask a doctor to “terminate” another human being. And for any doctor to do this without counseling the mother on other life-affirming options is malpractice under the premise of “Do no harm”. People need to understand the consequences of their decisions. a third trimester baby can survive outside the womb. Many (maybe most) Americans pay lip service to the well-being of children.
Realstupidity says:January 21, 2013 at 10:58 pm
“Factors such as ongoing gestational risks (human fetus and woman), loss of study or work capacity due to things like morning sickness or pre-eclampsia, delivery being riskier than termination – this is why many women don’t continue with an unwanted pregnancy phillymiss.”
You forgot hemorhoids, stretch marks, sagging breasts, weight gain and predictably,……….. the pre-natal child.
You know the one who ends up looking like the frog that has been sliced and diced in the blender.
Or one of Saddam Husseins victims after they had been passed thru the cardboard shredder.
Stop violence against pre-natal women!
Factors such as ongoing gestational risks (fetus and woman), loss of study or work capacity due to things like morning sickness or pre-eclampsia, delivery being riskier than termination – this is why many women don’t continue with an unwanted pregnancy phillymiss.
Reality, in this case, there were no physical risks to the pregnancy, finances were the woman’s reasons for aborting. If I knew this woman I would have been able to put in her in touch with organizations that would help her and her family through this difficult time. The prolife group in my area has even helped pay for apartments for women in unplanned pregnancies. And there are families so desperate for babies that they would be willing to pay for hospital expenses.
As for “loss of study or work capacity” — well, society asnd institutions need to change in order to accommodate pregnant women. There is a woman in my class who is about to deliver next month. She said it might take her five years to finish a three year course and the school is working with her on her financial aid, etc. We shouldn’thave to sacrifice our children to keep our jobs or complete our educations.
Regarding the woman who aborted the fourth child: why not take a gamble that the fourth would be at least a little better than the lousiest of the three known children?
Kill off the most difficult/ least promising one; chances are the fourth won’t be that bad.
If you are going to kill one of your four children, be strategic.
AWESOME, TheLastDemocrat.
Here’s my suggestion. If putting food on the table is the main issue, kill the chubbiest kid; he’s hogging all the food anyway. And then have the rest of the family eat him! If not having weird hangups about people killing their offspring is “progressive”, I figure my acceptance of eating your dead kids makes me even more enlightened.
The fact is that carrying to term and giving birth creates an automatic bond between mother and child. The vast majority of women probably know that they would not be able to sever that bond.
Can severing that bond be made popular?
How about this: whenever you see an obviously pregnant woman, ask her: Are you keeping this one or placing for adoption?
Finances should not be a reason to abort in this country. A family allowance system would mean income automatically rises when the family increases.
Thanks so much for choosing not to include my blog, since it has the word “abolitionist” in the title. You have the right to include anyone that you see fit, and I respect that. However, if you did not want certain people to participate, you should have made that clear. Again, thanks for not playing church politics with such a serious issue.