Carhart patient’s cause of death: Him
From lohud.com yesterday:
A New Rochelle woman died of complications from a late-term abortion at a Maryland clinic, authorities confirmed Wednesday.
Jennifer Morbelli, 29, a schoolteacher in White Plains, bled to death after amniotic fluid in her womb spilled into her bloodstream, said Bruce Goldfarb, a spokesman for the Montgomery County Medical Examiner’s Office.
She was “left with the inability to clot blood to stop bleeding,” Goldfarb said.
More details from Newsday:
The chief medical examiner’s office in Baltimore lists “amniotic fluid embolism following termination of pregnancy” as one of two causes of death for Jennifer McKenna Morbelli….
The second is “disseminated intravascular coagulation,” a condition that occurs when small blood clots form in the blood vessels, according to Morbelli’s death certificate. Eventually, the proteins needed for clotting can become depleted, which can lead to extensive bleeding throughout the body.
In short, what an amniotic fluid embolism (AFE) is, from Wiki, with my notes in brackets:
It is mostly agreed that this condition results from amniotic fluid entering the uterine veins and in order for this to occur there are three prerequisites:
- Ruptured membranes [i.e., ruptured amniotic fluid or broken bag of waters]
- Ruptured uterine or cervical veins [latter can be due to cervical laceration]
- A pressure gradient from uterus to vein [direction of blood flow outward to mother’s body]
DIC, which was Morbelli’s secondary diagnosis, frequently accompanies amniotic fluid embolism, and it is a terrible thing – very difficult to treat. I’ve seen it. From Merriam-Webster:
Uncontrolled systemic coagulation resulting in thrombosis [clots] which in acute cases typically leads to generalized bleeding [hemorrhage] due to depletion of clotting factors and increased fibrinolysis.
… uncontrolled blood clotting leading to uncontrolled bleeding.
Yesterday the Washington Post tried to minimize abortion’s part in Morbelli’s death, basically saying it could happen to any pregnant mother:
The complication, which occurred when amniotic fluid was pushed into the woman’s bloodstream, can occur during or after abortions, natural deliveries or Caesarean sections.
This isn’t true. According to Medscape, WebMD’s resource for physicians, in a “Medicolegal Pitfalls” piece:
Failure to consider the diagnosis during legal abortion is a pitfall. A review of the literature indicates that most case reports of AFE have occurred during late second-trimester abortions.
Warren Hern, one of four late-term abortionists, along with Morbelli’s abortionist LeRoy Carhart, featured in the pro-abortion documentary After Tiller (pictured together right) agrees:
… amniotic fluid embolism is one of the major causes of morbidity and mortality in late abortion….
Hern wrote that in an article published in Gynecology and Obstetrics.
Back to Medscape:
Failure to respond emergently is a pitfall. AFE is a clinical diagnosis. Steps must be taken to stabilize the patient as soon as symptoms manifest.
At 33 weeks’ gestation Morbelli was only three to four weeks from being considered full-term. Had she delivered her baby in a hospital, she would still have been in the hospital 16 hours later. Signs and symptoms of trouble would have been picked up much before the situation erupted into an emergency.
Furthermore, there was no physician on hand to provide contiguous care to Morbelli. Carhart sent Morbelli back to her hotel room and left the state right after the abortion. And he left no doctor on call who knew Morbelli’s history. Precious hours elapsed due to Carhart’s negligence.
[Top photo via lohud.com]
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Computer animation of DIC on YouTube.
And an Amniotic Fluid Embolism animation.
Well well well look at the two serial killers at a party in suits and ties instead of the orange jump suits they ought to be in. They ought to be shown the gaited community called PRISON ! 2 more people are dead at the hands of carhartless yet the band plays on. Proof that you can get away with murder.
Where are our trolls?
Defend this! Defend him! C’mon! THIS IS WHAT YOU WANTED, THIS IS WHAT WE GOT.
2 dead people, and a monster who can’t tell the difference between a stable and an OR.
Normal thinking folks call this a double homicide …feminists call it abortion.
Thanks, Cranky. Helpful.
And let us not forget that Hern is an article writing book writing crack pot too. Both of them love ripping off limbs and get a thrill into jamming scissors into babies skulls…we should all be outraged . I will bet the abortion pimps will lay lower than snakes on this one. The woman who chose the abortion is dead. CAN’T drag out your pictures of Becky Bell on THIS one now can ya????
I am just so sadden that this woman would choose abortion….That precious baby was almost big enough to live outside the womb??? Why not Adoption?? A choice that precious little baby could live with. Breaks my heart.
Yes Amanda i was also wondering. I guess we will never know.
You know those shirts the feminists tried to make popular I HAD AN ABORTION ….they ought to add…AND I LIVED TO TELL ABOUT MINE.
Hi Jill,
DIC, exactly what I thought had happened. Either that or a uterine tear. Certainly inducing an early labor outside a closely supervised hospital setting could easily lead to cervical lacerations and uterine tears. This is a uterus and cervix that isn’t ready to give birth.
Even when diagnosed under the best conditions, DIC can be a fatal situation. The last case I saw started as a “postpartum hemorrhage” that quickly deteriorated to the patient’s demise. BTW, I have only seen two cases in 43 years so contrary to the Washington Post, its not all that common for normal term pregnancies. The ER staff may have had no time to make a proper diagnosis as they already had a terminal patient they were struggling just to keep alive. The fact they couldn’t contact Carhart and only had a distraught family to provide information certainly did nothing to better the situation.
What a tragic, senseless waste of lives.
Has anyone heard what was wrong with little Madison?
I’d love to know what her so called OB/GYN up in New York told her. There have been some reports he/she was the one who put her in touch with Carhart to begin with. It all started there with these “fetal anomolies.” I have such a difficult time trying to wrap my head around why she – and her family – would chose the path they did. Oh my! I can’t imagine what they are feeling and going through now. They are going to have live with this decision for the rest of their lives. The saddest thing is that Jennifer and Madison are gone. It’s due to the neglance of both her OB/GYN in NY and Carhart and his butchery. I can’t imagine giving a baby who is a viable baby at that point, a death sentence. I truly hope Jennifer’s family, through their grief, can see what “we” are trying to do is bring these sad deaths to light to prevent it from happening again.
I have absolutely no medical background, so this may be a dumb question, but…how fast or slow moving are these complications? I remember that the initial report of Jennifer’s death on here said that sidewalk counselors outside noticed she looked sicker and sicker as the week went on.
Could this have potentially been caused by a laceration during laminaria insertion, and could this have been caught 2-3 days prior to her death?
Baby Madison wasn’t almost big enough to live outside the womb. She WAS big enough. 33 weeks? A preemie, sure, but she was plenty big enough to survive. Their decision to kill her is just incomprehensible to me.
Carhart is nothing but a butcher.
The Washington Post said Morbelli died from complications of CHILDBIRTH. They’re calling late-term abortions “childbirth” now. So, WaPo, where’s the child now?
“The Washington Post said Morbelli died from complications of CHILDBIRTH.”
I wonder if that’s how it will appear in the CDC states. There are many reports of abortion related deaths not being reported as such, which allows abortion advocates to greatly exaggerate the safety of the procedure.
Child killing in America… the UGLY TRUTH!!
Hi Kate,
Jill or any other OB nurse could probably answer this question better than I can.
The two cases I saw of DIC, one the mother recovered and the second seemed like it was very rapid. In either case its hard to know what exactly triggered the physiological chain of events that led to the DIC, or when it occured. Also, why the first mother I mentioned recovered and the second died very quickly despite our desperate efforts in the best of circumstances, I can’t answer.
Again, speculation at best. The physiological chain of events could have been triggered at any time. It could have been caused amniotic fluid entering her bloodstream through cervical lacerations that resulted from laminaria insertion. Jill mentioned on a thread that Jennifer’s labor and delivery of her dead baby took several hours. Something certainly could have occured at this time. Maybe after the delivery when there would be more open vessels in the uterus. Was there instrumentation and trauma to the uterine wall?
Likely the first sign would be uncontrollable bleeding and/or blood that is not clotting. That was how we diagnosed the second mother I mentioned. It sounds like Jennifer was beginning to bleed uncontrollably at the hotel but the condition was likely triggered earlier. When she arrived at the ER, from what I have read she was terminal, plus the staff would likely have no idea as to what exactly was going on. It would certainly have helped to get hold of Carhart. One can only imagine how distraught her family was and could likely offer little medical information.The ER staff at this point likely had all they could do just trying to keep her alive.
As for her looking pale, it may have been just the pain,stress and maybe exhaustion. That would be my guess. I would doubt it was the DIC though I respect that others may disagree with me.
Hi Jen,
She died from complications of “childbirth”? That reminds me of the defense attorneys for the Charles Manson killers who described two of the victims of the Tate murders as ”running to their demise”. Nice way of saying the victims were chased down and butchered by crazed killers.
“Both of them love ripping off limbs and get a thrill into jamming scissors into babies skulls…”
Heather, how can you SAY such a thing! Hern wrote that he finds the sensations of an abortion disturbing. Carhart has described how he dismembers the babies, but never said he enjoys it.
I don’t know Carhart’s motives. Hern’s seem to be a combination of a dedication to abortion as a population control measure, a devotion to having an area of specialization that he’s really adept at (as many doctors crave to have), and a conviction that motherhood is something to be embarked on only deliberately and under ideal circumstances. To say he enjoys the actual destruction of an abortion is like saying that an oncologist enjoys seeing his patients nauseous and bald from chemo.
I’ve realized that I suffer from Carhart Derangement Symdrome and I’m beginning to think that a LOT of us have it.
The questions we need to raise are about how carefully she was being monitored and whether she was stable when she was discharged. We need to get a discussion going about the acceptability of charging these women through the nose for these abortions (I think Tiller was charging something like $8000) and then not even providing them with the medical supervision you’d get during and after getting your tonsils out.
Christina, you are, in fact, deranged if you compare an abortionist with an oncologist. On destroys and kills, and the other seeks to heal or prolong life.
I am a librarian. This is what I’ve chosen to do with my life. I love books and information, my college kids and faculty (well, most of the faculty). I spend A LOT of time here. This library is one of my great loves. Why would I choose my occupation if it did not provide me some sort of satisfaction?
Same with an abortionist. I get up in the morning and say, “I get to help some college kids and bring order to the Circulation department today! Cool!” Carhart and Hern, what do these monsters say?: “I get to rip off limbs off helpless babies and crush their skulls for money! Cool!”
Motherhood happens, particularly if you are prone to having sex. If I got pregnant with each of my 4 babies (3 born, 1 miscarried) “under ideal circumstances”, none of them would ever have been born. “Deliberate Motherhood” sounds a lot like “Planned Parenthood.” Except the only parenting decision being made and supported there is the one that ends up with dead babies every time, and sometimes, dead moms.
Christina if Hern didn’t want to keep murdering babies he wouldnt write about loathing it. he’d quit!! He has a right to choose He chooses to brutally kill children in the womb.
I wonder if Lee will be slapped with a lawsuit . I do feel that one is in order.
I wouldn’t let carhartless shine my shoes. If this was a dentists office id burn rubber after looking at the dilapidated shack and get the heck outta dodge! Yikes !! I can’t image hopping on a table there for even an exam. soooo wrong on so many levels. Then the good doctor leaves her in a hotel room and grabs a flight? Nutty
” Pressure hours elapsed due to Carhart’s negligence.”
I think you meant “Precious”, just a friendly edit :)
AFE is something that happens in normal childbirth so rarely that when I brought it up in my child birth class the mw, who had over 25 years experience and 4 children of her own, had no idea what I was asking about. (It’s seen with induction 99% of the time according to my research, which is interesting b/c they never mentioned abortion, but I guess why would they, it’s a baby book)
Well, this is what happens when abortion is regulated as a potential crime in the state’s penal code. This woman should not have had to travel across state lines to get an abortion. A hotel is no place to recover after a surgical procedure, with potential disruptions in communication between provider and emergency care if anything goes wrong.
I wonder if the celebrity pro aborts will be outraged about the death of this particular WAR on 2 women? Cher Madonna Helen Hunt Whoopi Goldberg Ed and Jules Asner Blythe Danner Gwenneth Paltrow Kathy Najimy Cybil Sheppard Joy Behar Ashley Judd Anne Archer Jennifer Aniston Heather Tom Sharon Stone Amy Ziff Tina Turner Babs Walters Robin Willams Lil Kim?? Nah. i hear crickets!!
Blue velvet, while you are quick to blame state law, you over look negligence on the part of Carhart and his staff and the fact he sends the woman back home or back to the hotel and that this is the type of clinic and abortion provider pro-choicers support.
Courtnay, I’m considering going back to college & am considering studying library science (and possibly social work) and would love to talk to you and learn more about it!
Hi Blue Velvet Megan!!
Yeah. It has nothing to do with Carhart not having hospital privileges or LEAVING the state after he killed a baby named Madison.
Carhart is a back alley abortionist hack. One of your hometown heroes.
“The Washington Post said Morbelli died from complications of CHILDBIRTH.”
“I wonder if that’s how it will appear in the CDC states. There are many reports of abortion related deaths not being reported as such, which allows abortion advocates to greatly exaggerate the safety of the procedure.”
And, JDC, which you may be considering already, the comparisons made to the safety of “normal childbirth” are then exponentially problematic.
Crocodile tears. That’s all your side has.
We will all have to wait until after the investigation to see if Dr. Carhart acted negligently. But do not be surprised if officials find that Dr. Carhart complied with the current standards of care for late-term abortions, though. Surgery in free-standing clinics, in all likelihood very far from the patient’s home? This is not the way most pro-choicers would want women who need late-term abortions to receive care, but this is how things are in our current political climate.
Yes blue velvet ..the abortion industry preys on women in crisis as it is. we are exploited . Then Carhart got his blood money and sent Jennifer to a hotel room to die. He then boarded an airplane and never looked back. 2 people are dead as a result of his negligence and a family is in mourning .
No worries though NOW and NARAL will cover his behind and post abortive mother/lawyer will back him100%.. He will have many people such as Megan in his corner. So the slaughter may continue …Oh meant lawyer Gloria Allred
Hi Heather, 7:38PM
I’m not certain this is lawsuit material. Jennifer’s death could be viewed as “natural causes”. This was a physiologic occurance that could not be predicted or prevented, unless of course she didn’t have the abortion. She chose to have it.
Could Carhart be nailed for negligence? I would think being that he left town and advised patients not to visit the ER in the event of an emergency is where they could get him. It seems Jennifer and her family were following his directions and delayed medical care in the process. Also as I have said, being that Jennifer is the daughter of a police officer I think law enforcement will make a serious effort to get him, any and every way they can. I’m convinced the Maryland AG acted as quickly as he did after Jennifer’s death for that reason, though I can’t prove it of course, just my opinion. Let’s just say Carhart had better find himself a very good lawyer.
Hi Mary very nice to see you!! Enjoying your comments as always !!!:)
BV,
A “doctor” and I’m using the term loosely in reference to Carhart, that would advise a patient not to visit the ER in the event of complications, and then not be available for emergencies or not have an associate available, isn’t your idea of appalling negligence and complete lack of ethics?
This is not the way most pro-choicers would want women who need late-term abortions to receive care, but this is how things are in our current political climate.
lol! “Political climate”?! Try “medical climate”. No self-respecting doctor wants to be associated with those ghouls. My mom watched the implosion of a friend/employer of hers who began doing abortions more and more, and along with that, drinking more and more, who eventually lost his family, home, and license, and I believe died finally of cirrhosis. Do you really think most doctors WANT to kill other peoples’ children for a living, Megan? You don’t think the doctor who helped you kill your child would’ve rather been golfing?
Hi Heather,
Thank you. Always good to see you as well.
Speaking of Jennifer’s father being a detective, I notice she has a police escort in the picture. I’m pleased to see such a display of respect to her father and his family. I hope it offers some comfort.
Yes Mary…I agree!
It’s true of many Megan ..killing children takes a toll on the abortionists too. That’s why many are quitting. Some really thought they were helping women then they came to the realization that they were murdering innocent children and their lives were going in the toilet Listen to the story of Anthony Levatino. He said. I was throwing children in the garbage.
Also another abortionist Dr Hill confessed. I realized i was a murderer and a paid assassin. He QUIT! Doctors don’t murder people. You ought to meet abortionist Martin Ruddock. I have. He’s a stark raving lunatic. His life of blood guts and gore is getting to him. A woman won 1 million dollars after he botched her abortion and left her sterile. And that’s just one case of many! Look him up if you ever get time.
Hi Heather,
While I have you here, did you ever see that movie I recommended called “The Detective’s Story” with Kirk Douglas? Maybe you could get it on Youtube, if not then dirt cheap on Amazon. Its the one where the dectective is trying to convict an abortionist and the story becomes quite convoluted, I don’t want to give it away. Anyway, due to censorship rules it could only be hinted at and suggested what this abortionist did for a living. Its a very emotionally charged movie. I remember you expressed an interest and I wondered if you ever saw it.
No Mary i haven’t but thank you for the reminder…going to jot that down for sure!!
While we’re on the topic of abortionists who converted, I feel that I should mention that today is the second anniversary of the death of Dr. Bernard Nathanson.
Also Megan before i go…I’m on ET..I’m not an ob nurse but i know plenty of nurses and nursing students who have told me they would sooner quit their jobs if asked to assist with an abortion.
Hi jdc…i mentioned him in the other carhart post. thanks for sharing. I’m so very glad he saw the light. g nite all. so tired
“Hi jdc…i mentioned him in the other carhart post. thanks for sharing.”
Hi Heather. I don’t believe I saw your comment on that post, but it’s good to hear. Yes, I’m glad he saw the light as well.
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Does anyone know – would there be a publically available autopsy / med examiner report for the baby? when we can talk about these cases with real info, not vague or disguised language, we will have more people change their hearts. Knowing the child was dx with whatever – cleft palate, heart defect, CF, anencephalopathy – will help illuminate our perception regarding the condidtions under which some will see a 33-week abortion as “acceptable.”
Nobody “needs” a late-term abortion, BV/Megan.
Crocodile tears? No.. OUR tears are REAL for the mothers and babies slaughtered by abortion.
YOUR side? Not EVEN crocodile tears.
TLD- I’m guessing here but b/c Madison was not considered a person legally there may be no autopsy report for the little one?
A lot of factless, emotional accusations being flung around here. Most of you have very fervent beliefs, which is your right, but most of the statements here contain zero accuracy, nor do they or should they have any bearing on this situation or abortion policy in general.
Several people have mentioned the “complications of childbirth”. One of the three causes of death was actually “fetal abnormalities”. The reasonable conclusion from this is that it was a life threatening pregnancy, something I am aware most anti choicers either reject, or actually celebrate, thinking that any woman should want to die for her pregnancy, even if the pregnancy isn’t viable. This handwringing over “the little one”, or wonderings about why she wasn’t put up for adoptions, are outright nonsensical. What killed her and her wanted child may very well have been occurring before the abortion even took place. But, this is NONE of our business.
Sarah M,
Kindly list the ”zero accuracy” statements you refer to.
If this was a “life threatening pregnancy” Sarah M. she would have been admitted to a high risk maternity unit under the care of qualified medical personnel where every effort would be made to protect her life and that of her baby. Not put on a plane, subjected to a 3-4 day abortion, put up in a hotel and “treated” by a “doctor” who skips town, leaves no associate to cover for him, and advises a patient not to go to the ER but to try to reach him, even though he has skipped town. BTW, are you aware this “clinic” is now under investigation by the Maryland Attorney General?
The coroner already ruled on what killed Jennifer and it was a clotting disorder that was caused by amniotic fluid entering her bloodstream, and she bled to death. Of course it might have been helpful if the family didn’t waste valuable time trying to contact a “doctor” long gone or the ER could have contacted him for vital information that might have given them some chance to save her.
Sarah, please cite your source for three causes of death, because my BS sensor is sounding. What kind of fetal abnormalities at 33 wks would threaten the mother’s life? Why wouldn’t doctors just deliver a baby at 33 wks?
If there was a legitimate threat to Jennifer’s life (other than the crappy doc who killed her), why hasn’t that been reported yet?
I’m sorry, but late term abortion is looking like a really bad idea after this story. But nice attempt at deflecting!
One of the three causes of death was actually “fetal abnormalities”.
Oh, like how some states can fudge the abortion-related death numbers by listing them as “pregnancy-related death”, since they haven’t reported actual abortion numbers in YEARS, and heck-if she wasn’t pregnant she wouldn’t have been trying to have the abortion anyway, amirite?
Yeah Sarah don’t get it twisted. i like choices . what to eat what to wear what car i drive ..my choice list just doesn’t include murder. Sarah I’ve met a woman on her 11 th abortion. is she making a smart choice? Singer Madonna admits to at least 11 herself. Madonna almost bled to death giving birth to her son because of so much damage to her uterus because of multiple abortions. I’m against unhealthy choices like abortion. One dead one wounded .
Hi Heather,
I seriously doubt that Madonna was blissfully ignorant of the existence of contraception or that she was unable to afford it, so what was her excuse? I would just as strongly doubt she, or any other wealthy woman or celebrity, would be visiting Carhart’s chop shop in Nebraska. More likely she and the others did what wealthy women and celebrities have always done, travel to a certain location where their abortions are very discreetly, and considerably more safely performed. Of course that costs a little more money, but what’s money for?
As I noted over on the Legal Insurrection website when this story first broke, I have difficulty summoning much sympathy for this woman. I look at my own daughter, happy, laughing, goofy, with a seizure disorder, and consider the medical costs I have incurred, often without insurance, the medications she still takes, and I would not have it any other way.
Suppose everything had happened as she planned. She would likely be back teaching school, likely telling people (if anyone asked outside her immediate circle of confidantes) that she had a late miscarriage (or perhaps even discussing the abortion with them), living her life without her “imperfect” child. No Mass would have likely have been said for the child, other than the “anonymous” general Mass for the aborted and for the dead.
Let’s be seriously blunt here and analogize:
Suppose a woman of Ms. Morbelli’s age, after being married 2-3 years, finds herself with a husband who is permanently crippled in some way. Unable to cope with the idea, but unwilling to get a divorce because her own family would shun her, she hires a hitman. (Think it’s far fetched? Do some news searches.) In the process of the hitman performing the job, due to his lack of skill and caring, one of the shotgun blasts grazes the woman, striking an artery, whereupon she bleeds out and dies.
Tell me if you find much sympathy for this woman. I do not.
Sarah, as an ICU RN with over 15+ years experience your comments have zero credibility. First of all if Jennifer had a high risk pregnancy she would have been hospitalized and monitored or the baby would have been delivered. At 33 weeks gestation baby Madison could have survived outside the womb with medical intervention. My child was born at 36 weeks and needed no support at all. Secondly, DIC, although a life threatening condition is a survivable condition if diagnosed and treated early enough, especially in a young, healthy person! The staff at the ED are not responsible if they had to rely on distraught family members for a medical history. What I find incredible is that this “physician” told this woman not to go to an ER in the first place and secondly was not reachable when this patient was clearly in distress! He needs to have his medical license revoked and possibly jailed for manslaughter!!
Hi Jonathan,
It reminds me of a case I saw on a crime show. A doctor and his wife were found dead in their vehicle on an isolated road. Upon unraveling the mystery, it was discovered that the husband had arranged a hit on his wife, to be carried out in their car on an isolated road, and he of course would be spared. Well, it didn’t turn out that way. The husband wound up getting shot as well. I don’t recall if it was accidental or the hitman didn’t get his instructions right.
Still, where Jennifer is concerned, I can only see a tragic and senseless loss.
Yes Mary ….i have presented this to pro aborts before. I did like Madonna back in the 80s n 90s so i bought the book Goddess …i had always believed that her video Papa don’t preach was a pro life video so id assumed she was pro life. I gasped when i continued to read on about how the pop star admitted to at least 11 abortions ..including one with ex husband sean penn. Certainly this mega rich woman could have afforded a ten year supply of platinum plated gold condoms . Her own quote was this Bringing an unwanted child into this world is simply doing society a disservice . Huh?
I was ignorant before i began to study abortion and id always believed that abortion was for the very poor and destitute types. it sounded like a solution to me back in the day. Before i became pro life i used to think well perhaps its for the best if a woman can’t afford it. NOW i see it for what it is. This is why I have turned on many celebs …Most of them have an abortion in their past. They simply did it because a child would have been an interface in their precious careers .
Oops interferes above post
Mary,
Tragic and senseless? Many deaths are tragic and senseless. In this case, the mother’s death was caused by complications arising from a late abortion and perhaps (if it can be described as such) gross malpractice. The child’s death was brought about by the mother herself, who hired someone to do away with it. This case is no more tragic than the many women who successfully obtain abortions every day, and to my mind, a great deal less because of this woman’s apparently good marriage, employment, probable health insurance, and likely financial stability.
My sadness in this case is for the unborn, though s/he is likely in heaven. To paraphrase Archbishop Chaput, If she is in heaven, I wonder what reasons Ms. McKenna-Morbelli is now giving to her infant for what has just occurred.
Tragic and senseless. Absolutely!!
But if blaming a dead woman makes you feel better……..have at it.
PS
When I get to heaven my daughter who died in my abortion will run to me and jump in my arms. She will not be waiting for any explanations.
Carla,
I do blame the dead woman for the death of her child. She had a hand in it as surely as the dead husband in the other example is responsible for the death of his wife.
I am not sure why you think that by identifying truthfully what Ms. Morbelli accomplished, I will somehow feel “better” or “worse” or even anything at all other than sadness for the death of the child.
By blame here, I assign guilt in acting to assist in evil, in murder, but not the state of her soul, then or now. That is left, as is it with us all, to the mercy and judgment of God.
I am not sure even why the Left is covering this up. This is easily an argument for them that abortion providers should be good doctors, readily available at most hospitals, so that women need not die at the hands of butchers.
As for whatever situation led you to have an abortion, the current state of your soul and what will occur after death are also between you and God, and whomever or whatever you have chosen as your spiritual guide. I am thankful that, as it seems, you have now chosen a better path.
Jonathan,
I am a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ. My rescuer, my redeemer and my deliverer.
He saved me from myself and forgave me for EVERYTHING I have ever done. He continues to shower me with grace and mercy. Not judgment or condemnation. Not blame or shame.
I used to be hard and cold and angry. I used to be promiscuous and hateful and vindictive and spiritually dead after my abortion. I was suicidal and drank like a fish.
I once was lost but now am found. Was blind but now I see. Jesus is the Only One that heals. Only love will lead us to Him. Not condemnation.
Your comments make me ill. Don’t bother addressing me again.
Hi Jonathan 10:37am
Maybe the left can’t make that argument because no “good” doctor wants to do this. Also, there may be any number of reasons that hacks like Carhart can’t get admitting privileges at hospitals and it may have nothing to do with their performing abortions
Mary,
I definitely agree that the reason people have to travel for this type of abortion IS because no good doctor wants to do this. Thank God.
–Jonathan
Hope Stanek and her fetal idolators go to jail for criminal stalking and violating medical privacy laws. Millions more women die annually from childbirth complications than from abortions.
lol, I’m not even religious. Also, there’s really no way to know how many women die from abortion vs. childbirth, because abortion numbers are under-reported and often incorrectly reported. Just ask the Chicago Tribune.