Hundreds gather at Carhart abortion clinic to demand justice for mother’s death
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Over 250 people gathered at Germantown Reproductive Health Services abortion clinic in Germantown, Maryland, this morning to demand justice for the death of 29-year-old Jennifer McKenna Morbelli (pictured right), who perished at the hand of late-term abortionist LeRoy Carhart on February 7, along with her 33-week-old preborn baby, Madison Leigh.
As protesters gathered outside, Carhart carried on with his abortion business as usual inside.
ABC News and the Washington Post were among news outlets that attended the press conference/prayer vigil.
Representative from several organizations spoke, including Father Frank Pavone (pictured below) of Priests for Life, Rev. Patrick Mahoney of the Christian Defense Coalition, Day Gardner of the National Black Pro-Life Union, Kristan Hawkins of Students for Life of America, Mallory Quigley from the Susan B. Anthony List, Michael Mortelli of the Maryland Coalition for Life, Anna Higgins of Family Research Council, and Catherine Glenn Foster of Alliance Defending Freedom, as well as three local pastors.
The group made six demands:
1. That Shady Grove Adventist Hospital, where Jennifer died, file a formal complaint with the Maryland Board of Physicians. It would seem to me a pragmatic move, if nothing else, for the hospital to distance itself as far as possible from Carhart, since lawsuits in abundance should be anticipated.
2. That the Maryland Board of Physicians revoke Carhart’s license, which never should have been given in the first place, since he lied on his application.
3. That the Maryland Department of Health and Mental Hygiene close down the clinic during the investigations.
4. That building owner Todd Stave close down the clinic until investigations are complete, again, for pragmatic self-preservation purposes, if nothing else.
5. That the Executive Park Condo Association shut down the clinic until investigations are complete. The association has the ability to control what takes place inside its office park.
6. That the Maryland House and Senate each pass Pain Capable Fetal Protection bills that have already been submitted this legislative session. SB 456 and HB 1312 would ban abortions in Maryland past the point when preborn babies can feel pain, 20 weeks from fertilization. This law would have saved both baby Madison’s life as well as her mother’s.
See video of the press conference here.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
How could women show up today for an abortion knowing he just KILLED one of his patients?????
Classy. The woman’s been dead for all of 4 days and they’re using her passing as an excuse to roll the ol’ circus into town.
Coming from Ireland, where we’ve just had the death of Savita Halappanavar I find it amazing that this story gets no coverage after the hysteria that surrounded Savitas death. The media are no longer even trying to pretend they report the news fairly.
And an abortion at 33 weeks? Thats actually insanity.
What I want to know is what was so wrong with her baby that the mother felt like she could no longer carry it to term? The better choice would be to at least deliver the child and say goodbye to her for however long she would have lived. How can you give your own child a lethal injection and just throw it away like medical waste after carrying it for 33 whole weeks?
I wonder how many woman does this make that Carhart has killed? Anyone know?
Joan said, “Classy (IT SHOWS CHARITY AND LOVE TO TRY AND PROTECT OTHERS FROM BEING MURDERED LIKE THIS CHILD AND MOTHER). The woman’s been dead for all of 4 days and they’re using (NOT USING – BUT PROTECTING OTHERS FROM THE DEMONIC EVIL OF THE BABY BUTCHERS) her passing (NOT “PASSING” HER MURDER BY ALL WHO SUPPORT CHOICE)as an excuse to roll the ol’ circus into town.” (THESE PEOPLE YOU CALL A CIRCUS HAVE SAVED COUNTLESS CHILDREN FROM BEING MURDERD BY ABORTION AND HAVE HELPED COUNTLESS MOTHERS FROM THE HARM OF ABORTION)
I was born about a month earlier than this baby’s gestational age. I spent my early weeks in an incubator. My parents told me how the doctors frightenend my mother, what terrible things they told her. Back in those days they didn’t use candy phrases like “special needs,” they used words like “severely retarded.” The prognosis was very pessimistic, but abortion was not legal yet. So here I am.
My parents described to me the horrible effect the doctors words had upon them. For example, my mother refused to visit me or see me because, as she said, “I was afraid to know you and then lose you.” Imagine if abortion had been recommended! I grew up with NONE of the disabilities that were predicted.
The tragic situation is not only this mother and child, but all the parents that are pressured into abortion by their ob/gyn’s and healthcare providers. Many doctors don’t want to their malpractice premiums by helping to deliver babies that are..less than perfect.
Abortion is not only the fault of angry, shouting people who hold up orange and black signs. Abortion is also the fault of ob/gyns and other doctors and nurses who are unwilling to help a mother and her family when they need help the most. Imagine how this poor woman was referred FROM a professional medical office TO an unprofessional, shoddy “practice” run by Carhart. Somehow, we must reach not only pregnant mothers, but also we must reach out to the entire health care community and DEMAND better options and more humane care for mothers who are experiencing a difficult pregnancy.
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“doctors don’t want to risk their malpractice insurance premiums” is what I meant to type. Left out the word ‘risk.’
Joan, none of us can help but notice that only those awful pro-lifers are showing concern for this situation. You, Joan, and all your abortionism-suffering friends will NOT exert one single calorie to help pregnant mothers KEEP their children. Reactions to Gosnell’s house of horrors from the pro-abortion crowd? Silence. Reactions to what Carhart did? Complain about pro-lifers and give Carhart a free pass. Joan, you and your abortionism-suffering friends aren’t fooling any of us with your faux outrage. Save it for your mirror, where maybe you can actually kid yourself.
Where were the protesters when the two fetuses died at the Catholic hospital in the Denver area because of malpractice?
I was wondering the exact same thing as Rachael. It seems very strange to choose to end the baby’s life this way instead of allowing for a birth and say goodbye properly if eminent death was the issue due to baby’s issue (although I haven’t seen anywhere saying what issue the baby had that would lead to such a horrible decision – whether the mother lived or not). That doesn’t make sense to me??? I am not sure if I have ever read such irony about a wanted baby being aborted at 33 weeks. I am grieving for the family and the loss of both the mother and the baby. Very sad situation.
joan says:
Classy. The woman’s been dead for all of 4 days and they’re using her passing as an excuse to roll the ol’ circus into town.
And what about the “circus” led by pro-aborts such as yourself after Savita Halapanavar died in Ireland? Within hours of that news breaking, they had organized angry demonstrations and petitions to get Ireland’s pro-life laws changed…using her tragic death to push their own sick agenda.
But in this case, when a mother is dead after an abortion? Denial, obfuscation, damage control. You disgust me.
I don’t understand all the hate against Carthart, what he needs is love and compassion! not judgement. He didn’t order the execution, the mother did.
My first reaction was as so many said, an abortion at 33 weeks? Babies born at younger than this survive. My grandson was one of them. I condemn abortion at any age. The passing of this woman is sad but the circumstances are sadder. I can’t see any other way to look at it because I don’t believe in abortion. God rest and keep this woman’s soul and comfort those who loved her.
Am I missing something here? This woman and her husband went of their own free will to Carharts mill and had their 33 week old baby girl MURDERED by Carhart. They are just as complicit as he is….And to know they even named the baby they would be executing…Just becaus the baby had a larger measured head and MAY have had some retardation…And THAT justified a lethal injecton and then to be trn out of the womb??? This woman commited murder and her soul is not in heaven. Protest Carhart all you want but please don’t portray this woman as a victim…Victims do not plan and carry out MURDER!!!
Amen, Ninek.
“Am I missing something here? This woman and her husband went of their own free will to Carharts mill and had their 33 week old baby girl MURDERED by Carhart. They are just as complicit as he is….And to know they even named the baby they would be executing…Just becaus the baby had a larger measured head and MAY have had some retardation…And THAT justified a lethal injecton and then to be trn out of the womb??? This woman commited murder and her soul is not in heaven. Protest Carhart all you want but please don’t portray this woman as a victim…Victims do not plan and carry out MURDER!!”
Seriously, am I missing something? Why are people acting like they know Madison’s diagnosis, the reasons that this couple aborted, and how this woman died? I can’t find any of that information anywhere.
And as a side note, I thought murderers did go to heaven in some instances. I must have missed something there too.
Sydney M says:
February 11, 2013 at 5:27 pm
How could women show up today for an abortion knowing he just KILLED one of his patients?????
Maybe they don’t know. The lamestream media is slow to report anything that makes their pals in the abortion industry look bad.
This is an incredibly sad situation, made even sadder by people speculating on Jennifer’s eternal destination. Stop it.
@ Jack Borsch – Murderers do not go to heaven unless they admit their sins and ask for forgiveness from God. Only God gets to decide who lives and dies, we do not. We are to be in complete subjection to His will, not our own. Anyone who goes against His will does not get into Heaven.
King David repented of his crimes and begged for God’s forgiveness. There is the possibility that this woman repented of her greed to end her child’s life based on irrational reasons, but we may never know what took place in those few short hours between the abortion and her death. We may never know why she chose to kill her own child, but we should never excuse murder and say there is a just reason in killing an innocent child. God is only just in all He does, we are never.
Genesis_9:6 Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
Revelation_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and *murderers*, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
“@ Jack Borsch – Murderers do not go to heaven unless they admit their sins and ask for forgiveness from God. Only God gets to decide who lives and dies, we do not. We are to be in complete subjection to His will, not our own. Anyone who goes against His will does not get into Heaven.”
So you’re God, and you know that she didn’t repent and yada yada? For all you know she had a priest give her last rites at the hospital (I believe she was Catholic). I think it’s pretty nasty to be speculating about her eternal destination.
Anyway, I want to know where everyone is getting this extra information about this situation, if it’s gonna be spread around.
So you have all the details already? You know exactly what happened, how and why? You know who did what and when, and who may be culpable?
No?
Then I think you might be at risk of appearing like a mob of simple-minded villagers clutching their pitchforks and flaming torches in defence against what they don’t know or understand.
Merit,
I’m so sorry to hear that you stood outside a cold Colorado hospital, prostesting all by yourself.
“There is the possibility that this woman repented of her greed to end her child’s life based on irrational reasons, but we may never know what took place in those few short hours between the abortion and her death”
There’s the kicker, I missed this, sorry. Yes, you don’t know. You have no earthly idea what went on in her final hours or at any time in her life. Saying “her soul is not in heaven” is ridiculous and gross, and part of the reason I have trouble convincing people that pro-lifers aren’t vicious and mean-spirited. Because that’s a vicious and mean-spirited thing to say.
Hi lrning 7:55PM
Amen to that and thank you.
We DO have the right to say her soul is not in Heaven, she committed MURDER and anyone who commits murder does NOT go to heaven!! Being Catholic or not, murderers do not go to heaven. Even more Catholics because they pray to MARY who is NOT GOD!! Stop trying to spread sympathy for A murder!!! God gave her exactly what she deserved, “LIFE FOR LIFE”, AMEN!!!
3 more weeks could have given a family without children and desperately wanting them their gift and in turn saved a young mother’s life in more ways than the obvious. I pray God has mercy on her for choosing the path she chose. I also pray other young women see and understand there are better alternatives than the one they think will ‘fix’ the dilemma they find themselves faced with. Killing your child should never be an option and isn’t a women’s health issue. It’s the life of another human and in this case two lives, one brand new full of opportunity and another taken long before her living was over.
“We DO have the right to say her soul is not in Heaven, she committed MURDER and anyone who commits murder does NOT go to heaven!! Being Catholic or not, murderers do not go to heaven. Even more Catholics because they pray to MARY who is NOT GOD!! Stop trying to spread sympathy for A murder!!! God gave her exactly what she deserved, “LIFE FOR LIFE”, AMEN!!”
I’ll spread all the sympathy I want for her, because she deserves it. Her and her baby both. Madison and Jennifer, both were alive and loved, and now both are dead. It’s devastating.
Your own Bible disagrees with some of your theology, there, by the way. So if I were you I would go read it.
And being hateful = murder in God’s eyes, according to your own religion. Might want to check yourself.
You have murdered GOD then JACK BORSCH because you HATE GOD and HIS LAWS!! GOD says anyone who murders and unborn child must pay with their LIFE JACK BORSCH!! Anyone who commits sin GOD HATES JACK BORSCH!!! You DO NOT know GOD and HIS LAWS JACK BORSCH!!!
“EXODUS 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give LIFE FOR LIFE, 24 EYE FOR EYE, TOOTH FOR TOOTH, HAND FOR HAND, FOOT FOR FOOT, 25 BURNING FOR BURNING, WOUND FOR WOUND, STRIPE FOR STRIPE.”
PSALM 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou HATEST all workers of iniquity.
Interesting. Joan has no concern about Jennifer’s death. Joan has no concern about Jennifer’s daughter’s death.
Joan is offended by the people who show up, in an effort to save other women from dying.
How many women have to die before Joan starts to care?
Is it just me or does THETRUTH come across a bit like Dennis Markuze?
“You have murdered GOD then JACK BORSCH because you HATE GOD and HIS LAWS!! GOD says anyone who murders and unborn child must pay with their LIFE JACK BORSCH!! Anyone who commits sin GOD HATES JACK BORSCH!!! You DO NOT know GOD and HIS LAWS JACK BORSCH!!!”
Lol, I didn’t know that God could be murdered by humans. That’s a pretty weak god, in my opinion.
I’m going to go with “you’re insane” and step out of this conversation.
It’s not just you, Reality.
Thousands of little babies have already died at Carhart’s hand. If a mother dies at his hand that is OK according to our trolls, perhaps because they have become so accustomed to death at abortion mills to the point where it no longer matters who dies. He is a butcher and anyone who supports him is no better.
Let’s leave her soul in God’s hand.
Could it be that some abnormal finding showed up late in the pregnancy that they felt they could not deal with? Why wouldn’t her own doc. not do the procedure. Who would send her there?
The great majority of the time there is a serious medical reason for the abortion.
The later the abortion the more serious the reason. But I know those against abortion run on an emotional fire out of control so there isn’t any convincing you otherwise.
People have quoted passages from the Bible giving good reasons for having an abortion. Seems you left that out.
I am still waiting to hear the details of how she and her family decided on Carhart. And the mom’s every thought and feeling. Her parents every thought and feeling. Her husband’s every thought and feeling. Oh and Madison’s diagnosis.
Those of you who are speculating about this whole tragedy seem to know everything about everything.
I think that it is extremely unkind and un-Christian to condemn someone to hell without knowing all of the facts of her case. We don’t know what she thought or prayed in her final hours/moments. We don’t know what God worked in her heart or what relationship she had with Him prior to the abortion. In fact, I would imagine that she probably felt deeply conflicted about her decision in the first place, and probably *did* beg for God’s forgiveness. I’ve read many stories written by women who have terminated for fetal anomaly, and most of them are doing what they believe is in their child’s best interest. They often ask for God’s and their child’s forgiveness. Do I think that these abortions are *right*? NO, I agree that they are murder. But I also think that God is very gracious and judges what’s in people’s hearts, as well. I’m sure that this woman did not act out of malice, and I’m sure that God knew that. I also believe that he puts it in people’s hearts to repent when they are in their final hours. Really, this is one of those grey cases in which it’s impossible to speculate about someone’s eternal destiny. I also feel that this kind of condemnation is cruel-the woman just died, for goodness sake. Do you really think that in condemning her outright, you are presenting a good Christian witness for any of her family members who might read this?
To say she MAY have been “bullied” into an abortion is a cop-out. We cannot hold sympathy for her choices over a hypothetical situation. She died trying to commit murder. I have no sympathy for a woman who dies while trying to murder her full-term child. God says, whosoever sheds the blood of man, their blood shall be shed by man also (Genesis 9:6). Maybe she should have left the “Killing” up to God and have let her child die when God decided to and not in an abortion facility.
Only God knows her final destination, and it’s not for us to speculate about it.
I grieve for this poor woman and her child. She made a terrible choice and suffered horrible consequences as a result. Two lives are lost, and that is a tragedy.
I have a good friend whose son was diagnosed with anencephaly at 14 weeks. Like Jennifer, she is in Maryland. You can read her story, and that of her son Peter, here. She carried her son to term and he lived only a few short hours, but his life was beautiful to witness and he has touched so many hearts. He was baptized before his death, and was able to meet his siblings. I wish Jennifer could have known that, even if her daughter had disabilities, her life was still very much worth living.
“To say she MAY have been “bullied” into an abortion is a cop-out. We cannot hold sympathy for her choices over a hypothetical situation. She died trying to commit murder. I have no sympathy for a woman who dies while trying to murder her full-term child. God says, whosoever sheds the blood of man, their blood shall be shed by man also (Genesis 9:6). Maybe she should have left the “Killing” up to God and have let her child die when God decided to and not in an abortion facility”
Meh. I have no sympathy for people who use their Bibles to gloat about people being in eternal torment when they know nothing of the situation. I am sure that Jesus would be proud. You know, that guy Jesus? That dude who didn’t let that adulteress be stoned, even though that was the correct penalty under Judaic law?
Seriously, Jack. 90 % of the comments on here are yours. Do you have nothing better to do than harass Pro-Lifers? You say you know the Bible yet you deny that you believe in it with every remark. Your positions make no sense other than to inflame the conversation by saying “hatred is murder” so dont hate this woman for what she did, yet you support the murder of full term infants? What exactly is your position or are you just here to argue because you have nothing better to do with your time?
We cannot hold sympathy for her choices
Who’s WE, got a mouse in your pocket? I’m so sorry for her, and her child, and her family. I’d never do something as ill-advised as allowing your god to influence when and where and whom my heart aches for.
1. I am pro-life without exceptions.
2. I think it’s pretty sick to gloat about people being in eternal torment, when you seriously have no idea.
3. I dislike “my side” being presented by people that think like that.
4. You’re bad at math.
Jack
You are awesome man.
I think the THETRUTH might be somebody in the Fred Phelps family. And I’m hoping THETRUTH liked his/her own comment so it doesn’t mean that there’s somebody equally as obnoxious.
Sad story all the way around. After Sandy Hook, it was said often that people should wait at least a few days to make their political points. Seems relevant here as well.
Jack,
Nobody is gloating about her soul being in hell. Hell is not a place of eternal torment, it is the second death in the lake of fire where your soul ceases to exist. And in case you didnt notice, Jill Stanek is Pro-Bible. If you feel sympathy for this woman, maybe you should ask yourself why. If you believe in the Bible, then it is important to emphasize God’s truth and not our own, and every comment you have made so far has done nothing but mock God and the Bible. Maybe you should define what side you stand on about God and the Bible before coming to a debate like this and saying things like, ” I thought murderers did go to heaven in some instances”. This is only to mock God and the Bible. Do we know if serial killers repent before they die, we dont know, but we should not waste time mourning over the death of the wicked. Was this woman wicked, she most certainly was, she committed murder and just because she was young and has a pretty face doesn’t less the severeness of her crime. God is just in all His actions, and He chose to end this woman’s life for her choices. Glory in God’s decisions, Jack. He knows what He is doing.
Quite frankly, Rachael is someone I wouldn’t want to come across in a dark alley.
“Yes, if truth is not undergirded by love, it makes the possessor of that truth obnoxious and the truth repulsive.” ? Ravi Zacharias
“I think the THETRUTH might be somebody in the Fred Phelps family.”
I think we’re looking at that or a straight-up troll. When I see people that out there around here, sometimes I wonder if they are just trying to make pro-lifers look bad. Bu who knows.
James_4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Jack, I think it’s obvious to everyone here just how wrong Rachael got it.
“And I’m hoping THETRUTH liked his/her own commen” – Rachael maybe?
“And in case you didnt notice, Jill Stanek is Pro-Bible.” - so are many others here but I’m not sure that they have the same interpretive viewpoint that you are expounding.
Thank you Ex.
“Jack,
Nobody is gloating about her soul being in hell. Hell is not a place of eternal torment, it is the second death in the lake of fire where your soul ceases to exist.”
Theological opinions differ on what hell is, even among Christians in the same denomination. And yeah, people who are condemning her to hell are gloating, otherwise you would realize that you are no god, and you don’t decide where people go. She did something that we all disagree with and find horrible, so you decided she has no forgiveness, no mercy. Seems fairly anti-biblical to me.
“And in case you didnt notice, Jill Stanek is Pro-Bible. ”
Jill and I disagree on some things, but I have never seen her pretend she knows someone is in hell. I could be wrong.
“If you feel sympathy for this woman, maybe you should ask yourself why.”
I have sympathy for her because she is a human being who died, and I am not a sociopath.
“If you believe in the Bible, then it is important to emphasize God’s truth and not our own, and every comment you have made so far has done nothing but mock God and the Bible. Maybe you should define what side you stand on about God and the Bible before coming to a debate like this and saying things like, ” I thought murderers did go to heaven in some instances”. This is only to mock God and the Bible. Do we know if serial killers repent before they die, we dont know, but we should not waste time mourning over the death of the wicked. Was this woman wicked, she most certainly was, she committed murder and just because she was young and has a pretty face doesn’t less the severeness of her crime. God is just in all His actions, and He chose to end this woman’s life for her choices. Glory in God’s decisions, Jack. He knows what He is doing.”
Oh, I am not mocking the Bible. You are doing that pretty well on your own by ignoring your own theology in favor of insisting this woman MUST PAY for what she has done.
From Christian theology, God himself mourns the death of the wicked who don’t repent. That’s biblical. From Christian theology, Jesus came to give mercy and grace to sinners. That’s biblical. From Christian theology, everyone, no matter what sins they committed, can be cleansed of them. That’s biblical. I don’t think I am the one mocking, by reminding you of your own freaking religion that you are ignoring because you don’t like this woman’s sin.
It should worry you that a non-Christian has more understanding of the biblical God’s grace and love than you do. I happen to be quite fond of the biblical Jesus, and I think it’s gross you think you are following him with your comments.
“Jack, I think it’s obvious to everyone here just how wrong Rachael got it.”
Hopefully. But I generally can’t let stuff like that stand without saying something.
Will someone please inform me IMMEDIATELY if and when some rabid feminist makes a fuss about this woman’s death from this quack Carhart ? Oh wait…collateral damage. Nevermind.
Dear Lord, we ask for an end to all abortion and contraception. Abortion needs to be outlawed, period, and we should start from a common ground of 20 weeks that most people can agree upon. Eventually people will see the humanity of the unborn from the very moment of conception. If the media gave this case its proper due, then mothers would know the risks from abortion, and would shy away from it. Regarding another comment about Catholics and Mary, the Mother of God, we honor her, not worship her because Jesus wants us to honor His mother. She is the Queen of Heaven, conceived without sin, and she can help lead us to Heaven if we ask for Her help. I would point out that Catholics and specifically, the Catholic Church, is leading the charge for purity, chastity, and for the sanctity of life and marriage. Start with the Jesus… St. Peter… St. Paul…. St. Steven…… St. Ignatius… Read their works. Catholicism is the fullness of the Gospel. Many Protestant ministers who study the roots of their faith conclude that Catholicism is the truth, and many have converted. To truly study the faith, to go deep into the Christian faith, is to become Catholic.
Rachael:
“If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.” 1 Cr. 13:1
My “freaking religion” is the BIBLE, Jack, of which you have no understanding about or else you would not be openly mocking it because then you would know that those who do go straight to hell which is where you headed by your own admission of being “Non-Christian. Am I being hateful for telling you this? Have I “gotten it wrong” to point this out to you? Just look at how many supporters you have of your attack on God’s Word. I tell others that this woman most likely went to hell because that is where GOD says all murderers go whether YOU like it or not. You are the enemy of God, Jack. I am preaching the Word of God and if I am hated for that, so be it.
James_4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
1 Timothy_5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
Matthew_10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
John_15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
“It should worry you that a non-Christian has more understanding of the biblical God’s grace and love than you do.”
Your true colors finally show through, Jack. You are the enemy of God and you are on the road to Hell just like Carhart’s latest victim. Hate my words if you wish, but it is not me you are hating, it is Christ.
“Jesus wept” seems like an appropriate response to Rachael’s most recent comments. :/
Jack,
Why do you keep quoting God’s Word when you have stated numerous times that you do not believe in it?
You are like Judas who hung around with other 11 disciples pretending to believe only to betray Jesus to His death and hang himself.
Do you also troll other Christian blogs quoting verses from a book you have no faith in? What is the point?
Since we’re quoting the Bible at each other.
Matthew 5:21-22 “”You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.”
Tell me again how you are so much better than me or Jennifer and such a good follower of Christ.
1 Corinthians 13:4-7 “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
Matthew 22:37-39 “And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
” Why do you keep quoting God’s Word when you have stated numerous times that you do not believe in it?”
Because I want to point out your hypocrisy and how you aren’t following your own God?
” You are like Judas who hung around with other 11 disciples pretending to believe only to betray Jesus to His death and hang himself.”
You’re funny.
” Do you also troll other Christian blogs quoting verses from a book you have no faith in? What is the point?”
Because you pretend to be pro-life and represent a cause I feel very strongly about. I would like anyone reading along to know that we don’t all agree with you. And plus it’s funny that you get so mad when people quote the Bible.
Joan,
And how long should we wait to protest the death of a woman at the hands of a butcher? What’s the timeline on YOUR outrage? Do you have any outrage in this case Joan, or have your years here as a cheerleader for butchering babies left you so depraved that you are devoid of any authentic human response in this case?
Remember “Safe, Legal, and Rare?”
Since you’ve never expressed outrage at 55 million aborted babies, I guess “Rare” has gone by the wayside. And since you’re as cold as a snake regarding this poor woman’s death at the hands of One of abortion”s hero late term practioners, I guess “Safe” has long since lost credibility among abortion proponents.
That leaves the only thing that ever really mattered to your ilk:LEGAL.
Well guess what Jack, the greatest love a person can show someone is to save their soul from hell.
James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
James 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
Amen
I am sure how you have talked about Jennifer (along with misrepresenting yourself as some type of god by saying you know she is in hell) and how you are talking to me has people just chomping at the bit to convert.
There’s some verse about not breaking a bruised reed or something of that nature, I am too lazy to look it up. Suffice to say that insulting people to scream “truths” isn’t going to get you anywhere. According to the Bible, it seems.
Yes, Jack, but as St. Paul tells us in Romans, God will abandon us to ourown perversity. The Psalmist tells us that if today we hear His voice, hardennot our hearts. And Jesus tells us that death comes like a thief in the night.
No, He will not break the bruised reed, but He expects us to get it together when we hear His word. “I was waiting for the right tone of voice,” is blogpost sophistry that will avail us little at the judgement.
Ex-GOP,
Oh, groan! I thought THETRUTH sounded like a Phelpsian too. Please say something dumb like how great an economic president Obama is, so I can go back to disagreeing with you! ;)
And now you cite Ravi Zacharias, who I like. Arghh! ;)
If the idea of your soul burning in Hell doesnt convert you then nothing will.
Luk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
2Th_2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
” No, He will not break the bruised reed, but He expects us to get it together when we hear His word. “ii was waiting for the right tone of voice,” is blogpost sophistry that willavail us little at the judgement.”
Oh, yeah. I know, I am fully aware that if I die today, according to Christian theology I am going to hell. I am simply pointing out to Rachael if she wants to claim that she’s “loving” with her stuff, the way she is speaking is probably doing the opposite of what she says she’s intending. That’s what I meant by breaking bruised reeds. Picking on dead women and beating non-Christians over the head with condemnation doesn’t seem like something Jesus would be incredibly fond of.
“Nobody is gloating about her soul being in hell. Hell is not a place of eternal torment, it is the second death in the lake of fire where your soul ceases to exist.”
That in itself is considered by most Christians to be a heretical view, Rachael. Most Christians believe that Hell, including the final judgement in the lake of fire, goes on forever. The idea that the wicked are annihilated is a minority viewpoint. (But I would still not say that believing that would condemn you to hell…)
JackBorsch says:
February 11, 2013 at 7:42 pm
“Seriously, am I missing something? Why are people acting like they know Madison’s diagnosis, the reasons that this couple aborted, and how this woman died? I can’t find any of that information anywhere.”
Jack, why would you make these type of comments if you were “pro-life” as you claim? Why are you here flaming people on this thread in the first place? Of all the comments you have made on this post, you have flamed pro-lifers and mocked the Word of God. I will not say anything else because the way you respond, speaks for itself. You are against God and HIS laws and do not understand ANYTHING of the nature of God.
Be Blessed
Also, I do believe that God will bring justice for all of the babies killed in this manner, but I do not believe that He does that by capriciously ending the lives of women who have abortions. Sin has horrible consequences, but God doesn’t orchestrate them-we do fine with that on our own. If God ends the lives of women having abortions to teach us “a lesson,” then why doesn’t He strike down all women having such abortions? For that matter, why doesn’t He strike down Carhart? Because that’s not how God works.
I agree with Jack, Rachael. Your comments are cruel, un-Christian, judgmental, and represent a lack of compassion for your fellow, fallen human beings. So, add me to the “flamers,” I guess.
“Jack, why would you make these type of comments if you were “pro-life” as you claim? Why are you here flaming people on this thread in the first place?”
Oh, I’m sorry. I’ll rephrase my comments and pretend to know this woman’s medical records, to know why she died, and to know what her child’s diagnosis was. Because to be pro-life, I have to make up crap about situations I know nothing about.
I think it’s wrong that she aborted unless it was to save her own life. I think it should be illegal. I also think it’s wrong what people are saying about her and people (like you!) who show her no compassion. I also find it annoying when people make up stuff about tragic situations they know little to nothing about. Is that sufficient for you?
@Progo35
John_7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
James_4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is *ENMITY* with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Be Blessed everyone.
Rachael,
I would say you’re the one with a blowtorch in your hands. You sound like one of the “sons of thunder”, saying, “Go get ’em, God!”
May I remind you that the disciples sat at Jesus’ feet for 3 1/2 years, and He still had to say, “WHEN you’re converted…?” I’d cut Jack and this woman some slack. You don’t know them or what God will do with them.
Here is her Pinterest. It seems that she was excited to be pregnant. Her diagnosis must’ve been pretty terrifying.
http://pinterest.com/ihearttj99/
I seriously doubt that yelling, “That dead woman is in hell! That dead woman is in hell!” Is going to bring anyone to Jesus, Rachael. I’m not even convinced that that’s your ultimate purpose in commenting.
Also, I don’t have sympathy for her choice, I have sympathy *for her.* There’s a huge difference. Can’t you imagine how you would feel if this woman were your daughter, sister, wife, mother or friend? Would you not be grieved by her death? How much more would God grieve the death of one of His creations?
Exodus_20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
1 John_3:15 … and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they MAY have right to the tree of life, and MAY enter in through the gates into the city.
Betty, I took your comment down. There is a firm policy here about bashing other faiths, and your commentary on the pope crossed the line. There are plenty of other websites that welcome such primitive religious bigotry. Gerard Nadal, Moderator
@ JackBorsch
Ive read a lot of your comments and I completely agree with you. Anger and condemnation doesn’t convert anyone, it only makes them go on the defensive. Jesus knew what he was doing when he said turn the other cheek towards the enemy. We humans are all on equal ground when it comes to our sin, we have all done wrong, hence we have no right to say “this person is going to hell!”, because even if your a christian, it could have easily been you going to hell. hate the sin, not the sinner.
I’m impressed by how a non-believer could know so much accurate information about the bible. I wish there were more non-believers were like you. So many have misconceptions about Christians, especially because of people like Racheal.
Racheal, please don’t do this, it wont get you anywhere.
“I wish there were more non-believers were like you.”
I wish people like you were believers.
I also wish more believers were like you.
Did the family give this blog permission to post this woman’s name and her photo? If not, I don’t think they would be too pleased to know that this woman’s death is being exploited by anti-abortion extremists. If not, there might even be grounds for legal action.
I’ve done some googling and read that Jennifer’s father is a police detective and the police have been called in by the medical examiner.
Many years ago my brother, a former police officer, asked me if I noticed that a few cop killers, that hadn’t gone to prison because of some bleeding heart jury, recently died mysteriously? Yeah, now that he mentioned it, I did. Why? My brother just smiled and said “we take care of our own”.
Years later I watched a program about a couple who’s child had disappeared and who acquired a lawyer. I mentioned to Big Joe, another former cop, that if the couple is so innocent, why do they need a lawyer? Big Joe just snorted. “Mary, when the cops want to get you, they will. Fair or unfair, right or wrong, guilty or innocent, they will get you. This couple is very wise to get an attorney, I’ve advised many people to do the same”. My brother confirmed this years later.
I think its apparent what Carhart’s future is. He better first find the very best attorney he can, who of course won’t work for free. Then he will face police who “take care of their own” and once they make up their minds to get you, won’t stop. We should all find this a very comforting thought.
Rachael says:
February 12, 2013 at 1:08 am
JackBorsch says:February 11, 2013 at 7:42 pm“Seriously, am I missing something? Why are people acting like they know Madison’s diagnosis, the reasons that this couple aborted, and how this woman died? I can’t find any of that information anywhere.”
Jack, why would you make these type of comments if you were “pro-life” as you claim?
I’m pretty sure there’s something in the Bible about bearing false witness, Rachael. And just making stuff up when you don’t know the whole story is just plain lying. Jack’s definitely in the right.
Two people were killed by “choice”, and we’re the extremists? Don’t make me laugh.
This is a case where a young couple wanted to believe what the doctors told them and that they were doing the right thing. Unfortunately they have to suffer the consequences of choice. Always following your heart and not the law of death oriented society.
I would like to know what I could do to help these ladies make a better choice, one for life instead of death. What can I do to change the circumstances that convinced them that the death of their child was a solution to their problem? I care about you and I am praying for you. Jesus wants you to know that he loves you and forgives you.
Rachel, we don’t know where her soul ended up because we don’t know if she repented before she died. THAT is what the Bible means when it says “Judge no lest ye be judge” (unlike the way some people use it to mean we shouldn’t say sin is well…wrong)
Remember Paul listed a list of sins and said “such were some of you.” Paul himself was a SERIAL MURDERER yet he repented, found faith in Christ and was saved. Moses was a murderer (he killed the Egyptian) yet he was saved by faith that the Messiah would come.
God can and does save anyone who wants to be saved. Then He redeems us and transforms our lives.
I am angry and horrified that this baby was murdered. I am. I am also grieved that her mother paid with her own life also. The whole situation is tragic. I hope it never happens again. I hope Carhart’s killing mill is shut down. I hope women get wind of what Carhart has done and stop going to his mill.
And you know what? I’ve been praying for Carhart for YEARS and I will continue to do. God wants to save him too.
I am praying for you Rachel.
Your comments break my heart.
Lord
Please comfort these parents, husband and students of this beautiful young woman. Surround them. Hold them close. Walk them through their grief. You know their pain. You know their shame. Your know their every thought and emotion.
I ask Lord that you bring justice to bear. That Leroy Carhart is charged and that his killing spree is ended. Close down the mills. Bind the evil one.
I pray for all of us with hardened hearts. That we might for just one moment remember Your mercy and grace for Your people. That Your ways are not our ways and that love covers over a multitude of sins. Shame on us for our judgment and condemnation when it is Your compassion that is needed. You were there Lord and know what we simply cannot know.
A woman made in Your image and a child that You knit together in her mother’s womb died. We mourn and grieve those deaths and pray for an end to the business of abortion. In the precious memory of a mother and daughter may we all continue to fight the evil that is abortion. The evil of child sacrifice. End it Lord in the name of Your precious son Jesus.
Amen.
The Lord is close to the broken hearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit.
-Psalm 34:18
I cannot imagine the agony this family is going through. We need to pray for them. God is LOVE. God told us to LOVE one another period. Not “love your neighbor as long as they never do anything bad.” Love God, Love one another, spread the Gospel. There isn’t anything in there about getting on blogs and pointing fingers or speculating on where someone is after death. That is NOT OUR JOB as followers of Christ.
The only thing I can think is why? They loved this baby, so somehow, someone convinced this young woman that euthanizing her child in her womb by injection was more loving than carrying her to term and saying goodbye. They buried mom and baby together, they named her, they put her in the mother’s obit, they loved that child regardless of our views of their choice from our point of knowledge/education about what abortionists really do.
Jack you know that most Christians don’t believe a guy like you would go any place except for heaven. It’s embarrassing to see such comments like “you’re bad and god’s gonna get you but have a blessed day” Oh noes!
I think we need to convert doctors and nurses. This poor mother didn’t refer herself to Carhart.
This woman and her baby were victims of the father of lies. The same is true of Carhart, and all three need our prayers.
Based on the comment that we should wait before we call out for justice, how long should we wait? If a child is shot to death in the street in our community do we “wait”? If a woman is attacked and injured in our neighborhood do we “wait”?
It’s sad that people keep referring to this woman- and women like her as “murderers”.
They do not take the “instruments of death” into their hands THEMSELVES. The ABORTIONISTS are the murderers.
We don’t know what suddenly changed this mother’s mind about letting her child live, but we can be pretty sure some Pro-abort was behind it- be it a doctor, nurse, relative, etc.
Someone convinced this mother that the “compassionate” thing to was to “prevent” her baby suffering a prolonged, agonizing death by having her aborted.
We don’t know who, but we know that was ENTIRELY FALSE, but, being pregnant often makes you react emotionally to situations instead of “rationally”.
I’m sure, given the (false) information she was given (I mean about having her baby aborted being the “compassionate” choice), she THOUGHT she was doing the “compassionate” thing for her baby.
She didn’t “deserve” to die for it. Good grief, ” For ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God” Romans 3:23 KJV
If we all got what we “deserved” for how we’ve “fallen short”, NOBODY would go to Heaven or be forgiven.
Fortunately, God is merciful, and sent His SON to allow us that forgiveness.
It would serve us well to remember that WE are forgiven if we ask Him-
We have no right to hold unforgiveness against anyone else.
Pamela,
“But she jumped up on that table herself.”
There are some “christian prolifers” that throw that at me too.
Thank you for your post.
Rachel, et al.,
The suggestion that women jump up on the abortionist’s table willingly betrays a frightening lack of understanding of just how many women are ensnared in abusive and coercive relationships. Coercion, by its very definition, implies a loss of freedom to act as one might otherwise.
Rachel, I expect that sort of unenlightened response from dense males. Where have you been living? You come off here like the self-righteous man in Jesus’ parable, pointing the accusatory and wagging finger at the poor sinner in the back of the Temple who murmers a plea of forgiveness. Remember what Jesus said.
It was the humble sinner who went away acquitted of his sins, and not the self-righteous man.
You MUST know, Rachel, of the endless number of women’s testimonies of coercion and abusiveness. In the Catholic Church we have three criteria that need to be met in order for an act to be considered mortal sin.
1. The act must involve serious matter
2. The individual must give it sufficient reflection.
3. The person must commit the act with the full consent of their will.
Coercion obliterates numbers 2 & 3. Hold your condemnatory tongue against these women, lest you impale your own soul upon it. The greatest sins are those against charity.
Rachael, I appreciate the high regard that you have for the Bible, but from reading your comments, I am left wondering if you may have crossed the same line that the Pharisees had in the Bible. What we need to keep in mind is that Satan is called the father of lies, and he attacks people where they are weak. Did I read somewhere that this procedure would have been a multiple day affair? (Maybe I am making that up, but I thought I read it somewhere.) So this mother could very well have realized her sin too late to save her baby, and repented of it before she died. And if not, that is between her and God.
“Jack you know that most Christians don’t believe a guy like you would go any place except for heaven. It’s embarrassing to see such comments like “you’re bad and god’s gonna get you but have a blessed day” Oh noes!”
Lol. Well people all have their personal interpretations, it doesn’t really bother me if they think I’ll go to hell (though it’s annoying when they tell me over and over, it’s not like I’ve never heard it). What I find silly is when people say things like “if the thought of hell doesn’t convert you, nothing will!!!!!!2112!!”. I think simply being afraid of punishment is a poor reason to believe in something, and if I were just hedging my bets in a Pascal’s Wager type of thing, I believe that an omniscient God would be well aware I didn’t really believe, I was just afraid of the consequences of not professing belief. That’s what I don’t get about the “you’re going to hell people”.
Do you have permission to use that photo?
“Well guess what Jack, the greatest love a person can show someone is to save their soul from hell.”
Thats exactly right Rachael, I’m sorry about how you’re being treated on this blog, it really disgusts me.
Unless a photo is copyrighted you don’t need permission to use a photo. It’s public domain.
Yeah, let’s all worry about invasion of privacy and using photos. Two people are dead, but nothing to see here. Sheesh!
Hans, you can tell a story without disclosing private info. But why do that when disclosing a deceased woman’s identity, spreading her photo all over the internet, and hurting her family while they deal with losing their daughter and granddaughter is so fun?
And good work making things a little bit more miserable for a grieving family, they’ll probably be too traumatized to sue!
Nicole, you should refrain from giving legal advice as you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about.
Gee, CS..you seem more worried about her privacy than her LIFE and exposing the MURDERER of her and her child.
Priorities.
Pamela, are you saying it is wrong for me to point out that what Jill Stanek did is wrong because she isn’t as bad as Carhart? That is one weird value system.
Jack, for what it is worth, I am a practicing faithful Catholic, I have “liked” your posts, and I think we are all called to charity, as your posts have implied much more effectively, I’m afraid, than some of my ostensible (in the largest sense) co-religionists. As for what God’s going to do to any of us, I suggest Romans 9:18: “God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy.” Sorry, but if God wants to save Jennifer or Rachel or me or Jack, God will.
The point would seem to me to be that most of us on the thread agree that the situation is wrong, that we agree that abortion is an evil, and that we need to work to change people’s hearts and minds in the most effective way possible. And I think there is some consensus here that condemning the dead to hell isn’t necessarily the most rhetorically effective strategy for changing hearts and minds. As a Catholic and pro-life convert of fairly recent vintage, I can say, gently, that it was not the Rachels who brought me to my senses. Bless you , Rachel, for your commitment; but let me tell you, I’ve screamed from both sides of the fence, and it doesn’t work.
And Gerard Nadal: absolutely!
I have a degree in Broadcast Journalism. I got an A in Media Law and Regulation. You don’t need permission to post a photo that’s not copyrighted. Our news director would send us on Myspace to look for pictures all the time. If she posted the wrong photo and they could show malice or neglect the individual might have a libel suit, but otherwise Jill is legally clear.
With an adverse prenatal diagnosis, the pressure to terminate is tremendous. No other options or resources are offered. I have often thought that late-term abortion is tolerated precisely because society has such great discomfort with physical handicaps, but especially developmental disability. When an expecting mother is most vulnerable, the specter of fetal anomaly is often too great to overcome, when there is no one to support bringing the child to birth. Not medical professional, not husband, not family. If only we were more welcoming to the very least of our brothers.
So, so tragic.
Late-term abortions should be performed in an inpatient setting, where women can get round-the-clock medical supervision…you know, as if they were actual patients, instead of fugitives or criminals. No woman should have to fly halfway down the east coast to get an abortion, let alone terminate a doomed pregnancy.
Blue Velvet implied at 7:29 pm, “No mother should have to fly halfway down the east coast to kill her child, let alone to kill her seriously ill child.”
No parents should ever consent to kill their child.
Jasper and Rachael,
I urge you to heed the words of St. Paul:
As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. (Ephesians 4:1-2)
I’d really encourage you to read the rest of that chapter, especially the part where Paul instructs us to speak the truth in love.
Blue Velvet,
Earlier, I posted about my friend and her son, Peter, who was diagnosed with anacephaly at 14 weeks gestation. Please read his story, and then I’d like to hear your thoughts on her “doomed” pregnancy.
I have re-read every comment I have said in response to the comments on this blog post, and I still stand behind what I have said. Nothing I have said was wrong or in error. The Bible tells us not to mourn the death of the wicked. This woman killed her child and deserves no sympathy anymore than the death of the next child murderer. If that angers you, then your hatred is not towards me but God. The catechism mentioned earlier about hell are doctrines of men not God, and anyone who believes in them are not in His salvation either. God tells us not to mourn for the wicked or waste our prayers on them. God is Holy And Just in all He does. Amen.
Matthew 5:10
King James Version (KJV)
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
The Bible tells us not to mourn the death of the wicked.
Okay, Rachael, then don’t. Stop worrying about whether or not anyone else does.
Rachael, it’s not what you said, it’s how you said it. You weren’t speaking the truth in love. In fact, you came across as rude, arrogant, and uncaring.
ChrisB, I just want to point out that God also is bound to His Word otherwise He would be a liar. John 14:6 is pretty clear how a person gets to Him and receives His mercy. It isn’t by being a “nice guy”. God doesn’t prevent anyone from accessing Him and His mercy but they have to do it on God’s terms, not their own.
If you believe in God and that He is in control, then there is no excuse to take a life of an unborn child at ANY gestational age. NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER!!! And I do feel sympathy for the dead woman, but like Rachael said.. she had no problems with taking the life of her unborn baby. I feel sorry for the baby the most! (However, it is in the hands of Jesus Christ now)
Nicole, the problem isn’t a copyright violation it’s a privacy tort. There are other tort claims the family may have against Jill et al as well. Congrats on your A in law for broadcast journalists, but you still shouldn’t be giving legal advice.
I think the ethical violation is also a huge problem but you can’t sue a person for being a heartless opportunist with no compassion.
Kimberly, I agree with you that there is no excuse whatsoever to take the life of a baby at any gestational age. Respectfully, I wonder if you have been in the shoes of a woman contemplating abortion? I don’t believe it’s accurate to say “she had no problems with taking the life of her unborn baby”. My guess is that there was much agonizing that went into this decision, and misguided though she was, she did not come to it easily. There are many complex emotions tied up into each one of these pregnancies, whether planned or unplanned. This woman was lied to, and I imagine she was hoping for the easiest way out. It’s a shame that people don’t understand that God has a purpose for us in suffering, and they try to get through the situation on their own power rather than relying on Him.
Dear Another Carla,
Exactly. The poor prenatal diagnosis of Madison was merely two weeks ago.
Like I have already said…..the PRESSURE put on mother’s to abort in her situation is extreme. Also, she was GRIEVING!! In the shock and grief and denial and her family wanting to do the “right” thing by her baby.
Doesn’t justify or excuse the abortion but it does shine a light on the fact that couple’s with poor prenatal diagnoses need HOPE!! NOT ABORTION.
If you doctor is proabortion he/she will refer you for an abortion. Simple as that. Without offering any resources, websites, other parents who have been there.
“Abortion is the best thing for your baby. So she doesn’t suffer.”
Nicole, the problem isn’t a copyright violation it’s a privacy tort. There are other tort claims the family may have against Jill et al as well.
Well whaddaya waitin’ for?! Go chase that ambulance, kiddo!
Congrats on your A in law for broadcast journalists, but you still shouldn’t be giving legal advice.
Why not? You seem to enjoy hanging around here with a bunch of unwanted advice.
I think the ethical violation is also a huge problem but you can’t sue a person for being a heartless opportunist with no compassion.
You mean like the people who pushed Savita Halappanavar‘s story?
(p.s.-I still think the reason Savita died was because she found out she was carrying a daughter, and her husband didn’t like that, so they tried a homebrew abortion for cultural reasons.)
Don’t put words in my mouth, CS. Especially the WRONG words.
It’s not MY “value system” that’s weird.
What’s weird is caring more about somebody being a “tattle-tale” than somebody being a MURDERER.
Here I’d like to share a comment from a woman who terminated at 23 weeks for a non-fatal fetal anomaly, Spina Bifida. As a disability advocate, these terminations *really* strike a nerve, because not only do I believe they constitute murder (if, perhaps, without the malice we generally associate with murder),but I also feel that they are the result of social intolerance and ableist beliefs about disability. So, murder plus ableism equals strong feelings of antipathy on my part. But, I think her words really give insight into the kind of social dynamic that impacts such women:
‘I was walking on a train platform and I saw a teen girl in an electric wheelchair…
My heart went out to her. Seeing her made me think of my baby. My little girl is gone. If she had been born, she would have been in a wheelchair one day. My eyes kept following this girl. I saw her from the back. My eyes were searching her out for signs of happines. She seemed isolated from the people around her, alone in her world. My eyes were fixed on her and in my heart I imagined what my girl would look like one day.
I imagined my girl would have had long brown hair and beautiful porcelain skin.
I felt such love in my heart for my girl. I thought to myself just how much I would love my girl. How much I would love the smell of her hair, how beautiful she would look to me, how much I would love to touch her hands and look at her face.
I let my baby go because she would have been born into the world with no love for a beautiful girls in wheelchairs. It is a hard world and it would not love a girl who didnt walk and wasn’t well. I let her go because of the loneliness hanging over sick people. I let her go becuase she would not have any of the dreams most people take for granted. I let her go because my love may not have been enough to give her everything she deserved in life. I let her go because my love could not take away her pain and disapointment at life.
But I lost the love of my life……’
Clearly, this woman loved her baby. Moreover, her language on other posts leads me to believe that she is probably an evangelical Christian. (talking about spiritual warfare and what not), but she was *so convinced* that her child would have a terrible life that she chose to end that child’s life.
Here I’m going to say something very important: *Sometimes Christians feed into this mindset by saying things like, “through all his/her suffering, my child teaches me a lot about life.” The problem with that is the belief that the child is inherently “suffering,” and the implication that God literally created the disabled person in order to edify ablebodied individuals. We all have the task of lifting each other up, but disability is a form of *diversity*, like race and gender. Viewing it as an affliction that is allowed for the spiritual edification of others is dehumanizing. Moreover, the child’s issues may come primarily from lack of social support and intolerance. I actually believe that God accepts disability as being acceptable, and even good in some cases, but we ascribe our ableist standards of wellfare to Him. Hence, I even believe that we need to consider the idea that some disabled people will be disabled in heaven, but we will be accommodated/accepted rather than shunned. This is because God embraces human diversity and meets us all were we’re at. I think that the primary gift we will get in heaven is the gift of love/acceptance, not the gift of ablebodiedness. By suggesting that disability is an affliction and that disabled people are made “whole” in the afterlife, we unwittingly encourage the thinking that leads to these kinds of abortions.
Carhart wouldn’t have a job if selfish people like this woman weren’t there seeking his “skills”.
Carhart is a disgusting hitman. The mother was selfish. Doesn’t matter what the diagnosis was. The fact is Madison was alive until she sought out Carhart. Now the mother’s dead too.
This is really a sad and terrible news. But I’m thinking, what made the mother decide to have an abortion? Her baby is already 33 weeks, it’s almost due. My heart is crushed to hear this.
Can we say a person who commits murder will be forgiven if they ask for forgiveness simply because they now face death as a result. Lets ask God this question.
Read it and weep ladies and gentlemen. Pay attention especially to verses 24-33. God will laugh at you in your day of calamity.
Blessings .
Proverbs 1:7-33
English Standard Version (ESV)
The Enticement of Sinners
8 Hear, my son, your father’s instruction,
and forsake not your mother’s teaching,
9 for they are a graceful garland for your head
and pendants for your neck.
10 My son, if sinners entice you,
do not consent.
11 If they say, “Come with us, let us lie in wait for blood;
let us ambush the innocent without reason;
12 like Sheol let us swallow them alive,
and whole, like those who go down to the pit;
13 we shall find all precious goods,
we shall fill our houses with plunder;
14 throw in your lot among us;
we will all have one purse”—
15 my son, do not walk in the way with them;
hold back your foot from their paths,
16 for their feet run to evil,
and they make haste to shed blood.
17 For in vain is a net spread
in the sight of any bird,
18 but these men lie in wait for their own blood;
they set an ambush for their own lives.
19 Such are the ways of everyone who is greedy for unjust gain;
it takes away the life of its possessors.
The Call of Wisdom
20 Wisdom cries aloud in the street,
in the markets she raises her voice;
21 at the head of the noisy streets she cries out;
at the entrance of the city gates she speaks:
22 “How long, O simple ones, will you love being simple?
How long will scoffers delight in their scoffing
and fools hate knowledge?
23 If you turn at my reproof,
bbehold, I will pour out my spirit to you;
I will make my words known to you.
24 Because I have called and you refused to listen,
have stretched out my hand and no one has heeded,
25 because you have ignored all my counsel
and would have none of my reproof,
26 I also will laugh at your calamity;
I will mock when terror strikes you,
27 when terror strikes you like a storm
and your calamity comes like a whirlwind,
when distress and anguish come upon you.
28 Then they will call upon me, but I will not answer;
they will seek me diligently but will not find me.
29 Because they hated knowledge
and did not choose the fear of the Lord,
30 would have none of my counsel
and despised all my reproof,
31 therefore they shall eat the fruit of their way,
and have their fill of their own devices.
32 For the simple are killed by their turning away,
and the complacency of fools destroys them;
33 but whoever listens to me will dwell secure
and will be at ease, without dread of disaster.”
Rachael, what church do you belong to? I am just asking because I have only seen this deterministic, unforgiving, vengeful form of Christianity in the rather abusive cult I was raised in, and crazy little churches like WBC.