Planned Parenthood official argues for right to post-birth abortion
As reported by The Weekly Standard…
Florida legislators considering a bill to require abortionists to provide medical care to an infant who survives an abortion were shocked during a committee hearing this week when a Planned Parenthood official endorsed a right to post-birth abortion.
Alisa LaPolt Snow [pictured right] the lobbyist representing the Florida Alliance of Planned Parenthood Affiliates, testified that her organization believes the decision to kill an infant who survives a failed abortion should be left up to the woman seeking an abortion and her abortion doctor.
“So, um, it is just really hard for me to even ask you this question because I’m almost in disbelief,” said Rep. Jim Boyd. “If a baby is born on a table as a result of a botched abortion, what would Planned Parenthood want to have happen to that child that is struggling for life?”
“We believe that any decision that’s made should be left up to the woman, her family, and the physician,” said PP lobbyist Snow.
Rep. Daniel Davis then asked Snow, “What happens in a situation where a baby is alive, breathing on a table, moving. What do your physicians do at that point?”
“I do not have that information,” Snow replied. “I am not a physician, I am not an abortion provider. So I do not have that information.”
Rep. Jose Oliva followed up, asking the Planned Parenthood official, “You stated that a baby born alive on a table as a result of a botched abortion that that decision should be left to the doctor and the family. Is that what you’re saying?”
Again, Snow replied, “That decision should be between the patient and the health care provider.”
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Florida HB1129 defines the term “born alive” almost as the federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act of 2002 did. An amendment to HB1129 added the federal BAIPA’s “neutrality clause.”
But HB1129 went further than the federal BAIPA by adding, as the sponsor testified (beginning at 11:02) during the committee hearing:
1. Parity, that regardless of how a born alive infant entered the world – natural birth, c-section, or abortion – s/he shall be treated with the same degree of professional skill, care, and diligence. The bill provided that a born alive baby would immediately be transported to a hospital.
2. “Infant born alive” becomes a reportable item.
3. Surrender – “A work in progress,” according to the sponsor. The bill’s language originally assumed the baby was not wanted, since the mother had just paid to have him or her killed, and should be immediately surrendered to the state. The sponsor said an amendment was being crafted for the unique circumstance when an abortion was necessary for the health of the mother, which meant mean she likely would still want the infant born alive and give it loving care.
It was into this bill language mix that PP lobbyist Alisa LaPolt Snow stepped in.
The problems PP had with the bill were providing care, transport, and surrender.
The former two are problems state Sen. Barack Obama had with a separate companion bill (page 33) to Illinois’ Born Alive Infants Protection Act, which for all intents and purposes was saying the same thing, that medical care of abortion survivors was to be taken out of the hands of the doctor who had been paid to kill them:
[A]n additional doctor who then has to be called in an emergency situation to come in and make thee assessments is really designed simply to burden the original decision of the woman and the physician to induce labor and perform an abortion….
Obama agreed with Snow that, regarding the care of abortion survivor, as Snow testified, “any decision that’s made should be left up to the woman, her family, and the physician.”
Snow was simply less artful than Obama. Plus, Obama had and still has the public and media snowed, as the Washington Post’s Josh Hicks demonstrated:
Granted, we don’t know why Obama voted against the 2003 bill that included a clause to protect abortion rights…. Nonetheless, we find it hard to fathom that the former senator expressed a belief that human life is disposable outside the womb.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
What medical care do abortionists provide to women injured during an abortion?
Oh that’s right.
In some cases a ride in an ambulance to those that provide real medical care.
Somehow I expect the essential philosophical endorsement of infanticide here by an organization that has received billions in taxpayer dollars during a hearing on a law will receive massively less news coverage than a candidate for office who in-artfully describes why he thinks killing a baby conceived through rape is wrong. The culture of death brooks no dissent, as Wesley J. Smith says.
Please tell me you’re not surprised.
Trolls, commence with the defense!
There’s no evil PP won’t sink to.
Not surprised.
Not shocked.
Defend this evil, proaborts!!
The same people who mocked “legitimate rape,” referring to the difference between a violent rape and statutory rape (which Planned Parenthood won’t report to the authorities) will defend it by saying “that’s not what she was trying to say.” Once you accept the fact that you can kill an infant in the most painful and cruel way, your worldview and words become twisted into pretzels.
There is NO SUCH THING AS A POST-BIRTH ABORTION. Once out of the body, the female is no longer pregnant. SHE HAS NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT!!!!!! It is out of her body. The baby has complete legal protection regardless of how it got out of her body.
In addition, she should lose custody because she wasn’t willing to make the sacrifice of carrying to term. But an infant out of a female’s body is completely legally protected with no difference based on how it got out of her body!!!!!!!!
Hi Carla, 10:26am
The “care” is being dumped on the local ER staff to determine what is wrong with the patient and having to act fast to save her life. Its a local doctor who will be given the care and responsibility of a patient they no nothing about because he/she happens to be on call. I’ve seen it happen to a few of our staff OB/GYNs. Under emergency situations such as car accidents, etc., this is considered acceptable and part of the job, but abortion is an elective procedure. When a surgeon performs an elective procedure, be it an abortion or a gall bladder removal, he/she is expected to either be available to care for the patient or have an associate who is.
At least illegal abortionists, doctors, nurses, etc., were inclined to be far more careful. The last thing you wanted was a patient in the ER or complications of any kind. It could mean a jail term. This might explain why the death rate from illegal abortion had been steadily declining for years prior to Roe, along with better IV and antibiotic therapy. After Roe, the real dregs, medical rejects, and criminals were now free to hang a shingle and mutilate and kill all they want.
I am with you, Carla. The “logistical concerns” for providing emergency care exist whether the care is for the mother or the child. Besideswe’ve talking Florida here. Are there that many rural areas? Arent the vast majority of Planned Parenthood surgical sites in urban settings
Florida has lots of rural areas. The state isn’t entirely composed of Orlando, Miami, and Tampa. ;)
“After Roe, the real dregs, medical rejects, and criminals were now free to hang a shingle and mutilate and kill all they want.”
Mary,
After Rov v Wade the butchers just moved the shingle from the back alley to the front of their house of horrors and upgraded to a stainless steel coat hanger.
As the pro-abortion movement has shown time after time, it is not about a woman’s right to “control her body”, it is all about a woman’s right to kill her child.
The day will come and is fast approaching where the the old and the infirm will be eliminated with the same sort of cold blooded efficiency that mr. bo-jangles is recommending for infants born alive as a result of an elective abortion.
obamahellthscare and the economic realities of a society burdened beyond it’s capacity, or willingness to endure, will dispatch folks who have lived beyond their ‘productive years’ and do not have the means or the ability to defend themselves from utilitarian barbarians like bo/bs.
New documentary about kermit gosnell.
Katie Couric’s opening disclaimer would be knee slapping laughable if the crimes were not so heinous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7YmrsY4KSY
Snow’s poisonous roots run deep. . . .
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/alisa-lapolt-snow/a/14b/6b
DeniseNoe – you ought to know by now that abortion is not about terminating the pregnancy – it’s about destroying the relationship – and not necessarily with the child, but the father. The source of destruction may not be the woman herself, but usually a controlling relative.
Does anyone else think Snow behaves like a zombie or a robot? I think she has been severely brainwashed and will say and do whatever the powers that be tell her to.
I wonder what her salary is and if she has any living children.
Like I have said to people who asked my opinion years before BHO was elected as a US Senator, (I had heard Jill’s story, about BAIPA and other prolifers stories about him, his pro-death hijinks and his oratory skills displaying his mental gymnastics in Springfield), “ BHO is a cold hearted s-o-b and he has been for many years”. He and Michelle have sworn their allegiance to PP, NARAL, HRC, Jeremiah “G-D America black theology” Wright, Bill “we should have killed more” Ayers, and every radical leftist socialist cause you can think of. What did the country decide to do? Reward him with 2 terms so he can continue to “transform America”. If he can get his agenda through you ain’t seen nothing yet. I pray for him to be “transformed by the renewing of his mind” through Jesus Christ because his mind is so warped and twisted with radical ideology that he is determined to dismantle and destroy this country. This woman from PP is just one example of how diabolical and twisted PP and their number 1 supporter, the President of the United States think.
This is one of the reason I can’t buy body autonomy arguments. It’s like the people who are fine with abortion post-viability. It’s pretty obvious it’s not about protecting a woman’s right to her own body. Death seems to always be the intended outcome for the baby no matter the circumstance.
“Besideswe’ve talking Florida here. Are there that many rural areas?”
Like half of Florida looks like rural Georgia. And another chunk is swamp. Then you have a few highly populated cities.
How appropriate that her (last) name is Snow..she’s COLD!
*cold-hearted, that is. *
Looks like the deab babies r us mob in Philadelphia [city of brotherly love] are going to have to get themselves a new pig.
Even if the flesh peddlers procured the lipstick in commercial quantities and industrial strength it would not be adequate to conceal the butt ugliness of a swine like Kermit Gosnell, and even if they could whitewash that tottering wall there is nothing that would cover up the maggot gagging stench of that filthy tomb…nothing but the blood of Jesus.
LORD JESUS have mercy on us.
“How appropriate that her (last) name is Snow..she’s COLD!*cold-hearted, that is. *”
Zing!
Hi PLL,
Yes we have every reason to fear BHO. Whether his mind can be changed through Jesus is a matter of religious conviction, I just see the personality type and nothing that is happening surprises me. Know the personality type and you know what to expect.
I saw the blind and mindless adulation of this man by Americans and knew this was a red flag from the deepest depths of hell, expecially when no one could give any reason for the adulation. I haven’t been proven wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UhXaE_XL_8
If a woman can kill her child right after she gives birth (accidentally) at the abortionist’s, what’s to say she couldn’t do that legally at home or at the hospital?
And where’s LOLReality?? He should LOVE this sort of stuff.
doesn’t it ever occur to these people that there is no difference between us and these babies that are alive ‘post-birth?’ killing anybody post-birth is MURDER!!!!!!!!!! it is equivalent to killing this woman Snow and anybody that is deemed unworthy to live in this world.
and please do not call abortionists ‘healthcare providers.’ call them lifestyle care providers if you want to give them a good name. but really, they are murderers, because it doesn’t matter if the baby is pre-birth or post-birth. these babies are human beings like all of us. and killing them is equivalent to killing us, which is illegal and a mortal sin, breaking the 5th commandment of God.
Tweeted to Alliance for Pediatric Therapies:
@Alli4PedTherap One of your lobbyists is @alisa_snow who recently argued in favor of infanticide. What kind of “pediatric therapy” is that?
This is the best they could come up with to represent their organization. What a bunch of morons. I like how when she is talking the people behind her are like “did she seriously just say that?” If you can’t answer the medical questions as a representative of a “medical facility” then what the HECK are you doing here? Also….Don’t Doctors take an oath? To not harm? Makes me sick.
I think Ms. Alisa Snow should, since there’s no age limit mentioned, Volunteer to be a post birth abortion HERSELF.
Wow—Guess where you are going Ms-Snow—Take lots of sunscreen you evil heartless woman!
I’m sure this is true a lot of the time, but certainly not always. I honestly think that, for some women who feel this way, they are afraid that giving in in any way erodes their right to “choice,” and that’s why they’re so suspicious.
Do I agree with this line of thought? Absolutely not!! But it does exist. Some of the people who think that way are my friends, and they’re not bad people otherwise. I’m not actually apologizing for them, because I strongly disagree with the POV. But I’ve seen that it does exist in people who are otherwise thoughtful and caring and rooting for the underdog. Call them supremely misinformed.
And I’m EXTREMELY against women being unwillingly pushed into gender roles they don’t agree with. I just think that has nothing to do with abortion — it’s a completely different issue.
See, the thing is, if we want to defeat abortion, we have to be willing to at least understand how the “other” side feels and argue accordingly. No matter how much you believe in, say, Satan, that really is going to have no effect on your average atheist or agnostic. Does zilch for me. :)
Wanting to believe that those with opposing views are completely divorced from humanity only limits us in the fight. I can understand feeling horror at some of the stuff that comes out of people’s mouths when they defend abortion, but the fact remains that the vast majority of these people are probably pretty nice in other circumstances.
Don’t excuse their views on abortion, but don’t assume that most of them are motivated by money or evil either, because that’s simply not true. The majority are motivated by belief that their view is ethical because they are protecting women from being manipulated.
Be realistic. Reach out (as so many of us do) and change hearts. I really don’t have a great respect for human beings in general, but we’re pretty simple mammals when it comes to the bottom line, and most of us are well-meaning.
I think Ms. Alisa Snow should, since there’s no age limit mentioned, Volunteer to be a post birth abortion HERSELF.
Don’t count on it SB Smith. These type of people are eager to say how it is soooooo important and necessary for someone else to die, but they’ll never be willing to make the sacrifice they want others to make. Being killed is important for someone else, but never for the person advocating it.
Courtnay wrote on March 30 at 3:03 pm, “Where’s LOLReality?? He should LOVE this sort of stuff.”
Perhaps his mother should be asked. He might be experiencing it. That’s reality and the problem with letting each other decide who lives and who dies.
Hi Mary. How are you? The idolatry and unmerited adulation is unbelieveable especially for someone so arrogant and pro-death. I pray it is not too late for God to save our nation but he indeed gives us the freewill to choose. I pray we will “choose life that we and our seed may live” instead of death and infanticide.
Much more comprehensive video of the March 25 hearing (including damning remarks by the Planned Parenthood lobbyist in her prepared statement, and the views of the bill’s sponsor & of several legislators) here:
http://thebadger14.wordpress.com/2013/03/30/planned-parenthood/
I wonder if this woman was fighting for her life in an ER and nurses and doctors walked by her n went oh well….we might save you if your family wants us to and BTW we have to find YOUR doctor before we do anything.
I was thinking the same thing – if they are unwilling to have a patient transported to the ER and emergency medical help, then what happens if one of their employees has a heart attack? Falls and has a serious injury? Any other medical problem? They are unwilling to transport a patient to the hospital? good golly.
No help for the baby, why the double standard for another human, also born?? Or are they willing to look the other way for them also?
As people think that in-the-womb children are not human or less than human, I think that the clinic workers are not being human(e) either. I am saddened.
To Roxy:
Food for thought (just think about this):
“The most clever thing the Devil has done is convince people he doesn’t exist.” (not sure who originally said, since I’ve heard it so many times).
If people deny the Devil’s existence–the embodiment of evil & chaos itself, and the opposition of Goodness and Order (which, those of us who are Christians recognize IS God) then he (the Devil) has accomplished an incredible goal. If people don’t believe he exists, then they deny the very identity of evil itself. Therefore, allowing for the propagation of chaos and evil (because if the Devil doesn’t exist–the one who is pure evil itself–then one must surmise evil itself doesn’t exist). It’s quite a clever tactic when you think about it. Defeat one’s opponent by making said opponent believe you don’t actually exist.
There is no possible debate here. A baby out of her body is legally protected. The girl or woman is no longer pregnant so she had NO SAY. NONE!!!!!
Since she was unwilling to make the sacrifice of carrying to term, she’s out of the picture in every respect. TREAT THE BABY!!!!!
“The most clever thing the Devil has done is convince people he doesn’t exist.”
I’ve heard that many times as well, and I do see the logic. What can I say? It’s possible. As much as I know about Christianity, most of it still doesn’t make sense to me, and that includes the part about evil originating with Satan. It might be true. I guess we’ll all find out one day. Unless there really is nothing (which I also doubt).
I think that statement is less about Satan and more about moral relativism, which I agree wholeheartedly is a horrible thing.
“post-birth abortion”
“abortions are typically performed in utero”
Have no fear, the slippery slope doesn’t exist. It’s just a figment of our imagination, right?
“xalisae says: (March 30, 2013 at 5:38 pm)
“Tweeted to Alliance for Pediatric Therapies:
“@Alli4PedTherap One of your lobbyists is @alisa_snow who recently argued in favor of infanticide. What kind of ‘pediatric therapy’ is that?”
Wow. I’ll bet you gave the folks at Alliance for Pediatric Therapies a real scare — especially Alisa LaPolt Snow, who founded the “non-profit association.”
“Roxy says: (March 31, 2013 at 12:07 am)”
Mostly hooey.
“Rep. Daniel Davis then asked Snow, “What happens in a situation where a baby is alive, breathing on a table, moving. What do your physicians do at that point?”
“I do not have that information,” Snow replied. “I am not a physician, I am not an abortion provider. So I do not have that information.”
So let’s just slaughter newborn children based on information we don’t even know, just because we can??? Okay how about 2 year olds? 12 year olds? 90 year olds? 60 year olds? Where does it end?
Or let’s murder newborns or whoever because of “logistics”? Really? Wow it’s getting so inconvenient to take my grandmother to the doctor, or the supermarket anymore, because it’s just too far away. So let’s throw grandma over the cliff.
Where does it end? In a culture of death, it can only end in death.
There are hopeful signs that the counter culture of life is growing and gaining momentum. Perhaps those who profit from a culture of death are desperate. In any case, they are increasingly showing their true colors, the colors of death.
Pro-lifers we must be persistent and courageous in the face of these assaults on life.
I didn’t care to follow the rabbit trail that closely, Catch-22. I mostly tweet such things for the benefit of my followers, anyway. But it is interesting to find out that she also spends time pretending to care about children after they escape the abortionist in the same breath she’s advocating for a woman’s “right” to decide to tell her “physician” to let to let her child die.
How messed-up is that?
I’ve always thought that, by and large, females of all ages were better people than males. Examples like this put a monkey wrench in my belief.
Clearly, this woman doesn’t “have the information” on what to do with an innocent life that needs help, and those male legislators do.
Hans, as someone who’s seen up close how women treat each other, I’d have to disagree with us being better people than males. I think it’s all about equal. But I agree wholeheartedly with you about Snow!
Hey Roxy.
” As much as I know about Christianity, most of it still doesn’t make sense to me, and that includes the part about evil originating with Satan”
I would actually understand this a bit differently. According to Aquinas who was heavily influenced by those before him, evil is what is called a “privation”- that is, a LACK of good or missing of the mark. It is defined negatively in the sense that one can understand it by what it isn’t. In that sense, evil isn’t a THING per se. It is the absence of something. The analogy that is often used is that blindness is teh absence of sight and darkness is teh absence of light. Blindness and dark have no existence in-and-of-themselves apart from sight and light. So though the Devil is responsible for much evil, evil also originates with us in the sense that when we do an evil action like steal or kill someone, we are committing an action that is in some sense attempting to be good, but misses the mark completely (especially in the case of killing).
Hmm, that does make a lot more sense to me, Bobby. I would have said that however evil got into us, it is an intrinsic part of our nature, stronger in some than in others. But looking at it in the way you explained. I’m reading that as some people having the tools (whether it’s faith or just a desire to not injure) that allow us to override a lot of the baser instincts? As in, “That’s a beautiful piece of jewellery, and I sure would love to take it for myself, but I won’t because that’s not fair to the person who owns it”? (To give a kinda shallow example.)
Praying for the conversion of heart and mind of abortion industry workers, political supporters, and the majority who choose to ignore the reality of abortion.
Sarcasm alert!
You people need to understand Planned Parenthood better. They just don’t want people burdened with a baby. They just want something kinda like the 10 second rule when you drop a cookie on the floor. As long as they can kill the baby before it is on the table for more than say five minutes then no harm no foul right?