High schoolers brainstorm crude pro-choice ideas to reduce abortion
Erickson and his students reasoned that any serious quest to reduce abortions would not focus exclusively on women, and so they satirically brainstormed potential roles that men might play in such a push.
They came up with such ideas as a “Mandatory Sex Savings Fund,” which would require men to pay $25,000 into an account prior to having sex; the cash would then be transferred to a woman if she becomes impregnated. Another notion was “Mandatory Vasectomies in Grade 7.”
~ Jonathan Goldsbie, reporting on a Canadian high school class’s reaction to graphic pro-life displays outside school property, moderated by Michael Erickson (photo via his Facebook page) their “queer-activist social sciences” teacher who happens to be a co-owner of an LGBTQ bookstore, Now Toronto, April 12
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Someone previously proposed stopping abortions by having all men have their sperm collected and frozen for when reproduction is desired and then have vasectomies.
How about “Mandatory Matrimony” (before having sex) and “Making Marriage Mean Something” once again? Promise Keepers was founded on such an idea, if I’m not mistaken.
Stay classy, high school students.
They may have been sarcastic, but they’re not far off. Men do indeed have a role to play in stopping abortions. For starters, men, how about NOT coercing your partners into killing your kids to avoid paying child support?
Well Denise, the problem with that dumb idea is that men are constantly making sperm. Women make all their eggs when they are in the womb and then several eggs mature each month with one winning out and being released, able to be fertilized. Men however, have millions of sperm in their testicles at any given moment in different stages of development. So how could you “collect all the sperm” and freeze it is beyond me because hours or days later he’d back at square one.
How bout we stop treating sex as a recreational sport and realize it was designed as a gift for marriage? How bout we stop acting like idiots and understand basic biology that babies are not brought by storks but are created through sex and grow in the mommy’s tummy for 9 months?
“Men however, have millions of sperm in their testicles at any given moment in different stages of development. So how could you “collect all the sperm” and freeze it is beyond me because hours or days later he’d back at square one.”
I think under this proposal men would have to get a vasectomy after the sperm is collected.
Simple and totally free solution:
Men, keep your pants on until you’ve said “I Do” and then be faithful to your wife, and then be open to the new life you’ll create together.
Ladies, do exactly the same thing for your husband.
Wow — problem solved. No surgery, no killing, no Pills, no big expense.
Yep agree with jen n Sydney’s comments. You don’t HAVE to have sex. In my 20s I wish I had known better but with age comes wisdom. I used to have sex and hope for a relationship. Eh they would last for a while but eventually men grew tired of me and would make excuses not to see me. My heart was broken over and over again. You would think I would have learned my lesson .Men don’t want anything that comes too easy and neither do some women. I do know 2 girls who married a one night stand but that’s not the norm.
And likewise i discarded some of my male partners. Getting respect begins with getting to know someone. When I began to play my cards this way men stayed interested. I wouldn’t sleep with my husband before marriage. I believe if I had it would have fizzled. It felt great to be respected.
Heather, reminds me of a girlfriend of mine. She would immediately hop into bed with every guy she met…I’m talking days…sometimes hours after meeting them. And she’d breathlessly tell me about how in-love she was with the guy and he was “the one”. 9 times out of 10 the guy slept with her a few times and then that was it. He didn’t want anything more. The few she did have a relationship with never turned out to be “the one”.
She told me she used birth control only occasionally and was relieved to have never gotten pregnant. I was thinking after 18 years of sexual activity I would be asking WHY you never got pregnant? Silent STD? Maybe she is infertile? She started having sex pretty young. All she wants is to get married and have kids and I don’t know if that will ever happen for her because she is going about it the wrong way. Men who make good husbands aren’t the kind of man who will hop into bed with a woman they just met.
Simple and totally free solution:
Men, keep your pants on until you’ve said “I Do” and then be faithful to your wife, and then be open to the new life you’ll create together.
Ladies, do exactly the same thing for your husband.
Wow — problem solved. No surgery, no killing, no Pills, no big expense.
[Reposted because we humans tend to overlook the simple truth of this post. It takes a few repeated admonishments before stuff sinks in for us – drills fulfil.]
These kind of satires are annoying. They are obviously going off the line that pro-lifers just care about policing women’s sex lives, when it’s about protecting the unborn, and most lifers I see involve the men when they are talking about responsibility (sometimes even acting like men should be more responsible than women!). It frustrating when people willfully ignore this.
And you guys are slowly corrupting me into being a social conservative or something. I used to think promiscuity was just a personal choice, no biggie, but too much time on this site talking to you all and I can see the damage it can possibly do, even thinking back on my own life. So, cut it out, stop making me change my views you meanies. Lol.
welcome to the club Jack :)
Yay Jack! Lovely! I am totally smiling right now. Keep up the good work. :) Happy to be a meanie in this endeavor!
Meh, you’re all brats. :D Before you know it I’ll end up a Sunday School teacher or something lol.
Fear not, Jack. The truth will set you free! :)
Jack!!! Group hug!!!
Sunday school teacher, Jack?
You’d be one heck of a witness!
I used to have sex and hope for a relationship.
Ouch! Hey, I resemble that! :-/
Fathers are very important to a daughter’s development of self-esteem. It’s not uncommon for those of us that didn’t have fathers to act out in promiscuous ways. It’s a vicious cycle. Promiscuity leads to pregnancy outside of a committed relationship leads to fatherless children. This teacher was right in that the solution to abortion will also include men. But handling such an important matter in a satirical way with high schoolers…shame on him. What could have been a real teachable moment became a joke.
LOL! And he might stop his cussin’ on Twitter, too. Jill’s watching you!
“Are you cussin’ at me? Are you pointin’ and cussin’?! Grrr!” -Fantastic Mr. Fox
I’ve always found the best policy when confronted with something that makes me feel uncomfortable about my position on any given issue is to either blame the messenger, or change the subject. Who wants to have to actually THINK about things?!
Pssh don’t get too excited guys, the only thing I’ve changed my thinking on so far is sleeping around lol.
“But handling such an important matter in a satirical way with high schoolers…shame on him. What could have been a real teachable moment became a joke. ”
Yeah, that’s the main thing that bothers me too. And educator, supposedly giving these kids a balanced education, completely ignored a viewpoint to encourage kids to mock it, instead of actually considering it and making reasoned arguments. That’s not “educating”, it basically proselytizing one viewpoint.
Jack, you crack me up. :D
A $25,000 “fund for sex” is not a new idea.
Such a thing used to be called a “brideprice” or “dower.”
Lol happy to make you laugh Kel!
“A $25,000 “fund for sex” is not a new idea.
Such a thing used to be called a “brideprice” or “dower.””
Child support, I suppose could be considered the modern form of this. It would be a lot better if people focused on not getting busy until they at least knew each other a bit better.
I found another quote from that guy in this QotD on his Facebook page
“Erickson, the teacher at Harbord, believes it may be. “I think telling girls who find themselves in difficult situations, who have to make difficult choices, I think calling them a murderer, is an act of violence,” he says. “I think putting a focus on women’s bodies and increasing women’s shame is an act of violence. And I think doing that in a space that students are forced to be in is potentially an act of violence.””
Yeah. If this guy were teaching my kids I would complain to his superiors about him forcing his views and quelling dissenting opinions. I don’t think that’s appropriate behavior for an educator. And apparently “increasing shame” is an act of violence now, who knew?
This guy is also one of those really, really annoying male feminists that I can’t stand, the kind that apparently is ashamed for being born a guy and wants all men to dislike themselves as much as he does.
“And apparently “increasing shame” is an act of violence now, who knew?”
Yet, abortion isn’t. Wow, this guy’s nuts.
Lol dude he’s annoying. One of his statuses was “Until every man in the world would trade places with any woman in the world in a heartbeat, we need International Women’s Day”. That’s honestly the stupidest thing I have ever seen. Hey, ladies, would you like to switch places with a male (like most or all of them are) miner in the developing world? How about a little boy kidnapped to be a child soldier? No? We need International Men’s Day, then!
Not that I’m against International Women’s Day, but that’s seriously the dumbest justification I have seen in a long time. Maybe it’s just my oodles of male privilege preventing me from seeing the truth. I did “go through life on easy mode” according to these people. Ha.
Jack,
Well I’m all for International Woman’s Day if it means Godiva Chocolate LOL However, I agree with what you said.
I think it’s silly to think that we have to switch genders to be respectful, kind, or loving towards each other–or even to coexist. One of the things we’ve got going for us is our complementary sexuality–the way men and women can fit together to work together is actually a strength. Sure, it means there might be discord, but even two men and two men can disagree on any given subject, so being all one sex wouldn’t necessarily mean harmony anyway (I worked for a childcare place that was all-women…yeah…SO NOT harmonious! LOL).
Men and women have the capacity to encourage each other to be the best they can be. When we stop doing that and think we have to be the other sex to care for them and love them, then we stop recognizing the uniqueness of being who we are. It’s one thing to see another person’s point of view, it’s a whole other situation to “be” them. We can only be ourselves. We can try and see another person’s perspective, but I think people need to learn how to find ways to love themselves. I’m not saying I’ve perfected that, but based on a lot of what I’ve seen and studied, I’d say we need to learn how to be happy with our strengths, and work on our weaknesses (not to be arrogant, but to find ways to be happy with oneself).
Wow. Some liberals think everything but hugs and flowers are “hate” and “violence.” It really is offensive to real victims of hate and violence.
Jack you have a true purpose here! Lovin it! But yes I try to tell young girls jumping into bed is a lousy idea. Just like women who did become pregnant and aborted. Its because its too much too soon. You generally find out you didn’t want that person or they don’t want you. Then if a pregnancy results it generally ends in abortion. On birth control? Even better…bounce!
Sydney that was me. I wanted to be loved and get married. The sex could be intense and it felt like love but it was lust. You know that kick in the stomach feeling you get when something just feels wrong? Id anxiously await for the phone to ring and wonder when the guys and I would get together again. Sometimes the calls never came. And the calls that did were usually the guys telling me we couldn’t get together because something had come up. Perhaps a woman who wouldn’t give in. Id throw the phone down and burst into tears and beat myself up over not making the guy wait. It gave me low self esteem for a very long time.
If you command respect you will get it. Just giving up your body because it feels good isn’t the answer. I actually fell head over heels in love with some of these men but they never got to know me and eventually they became bored with me.
“Id anxiously await for the phone to ring and wonder when the guys and I would get together again. Sometimes the calls never came. And the calls that did were usually the guys telling me we couldn’t get together because something had come up. Perhaps a woman who wouldn’t give in. Id throw the phone down and burst into tears and beat myself up over not making the guy wait. It gave me low self esteem for a very long time.”
Okay that makes me sad. Is that seriously how a lot of women feel about flings/one night stands?
@Jack, I was the ‘go to’ gal in high school and college for all my friends when it came to romance and sex. Go figure, the ‘open minded’ sexually active teens/young adults always came to their 1 Christian friend who was a virgin (and hadn’t even had a date until senior year). To answer your question: in my experience, every, single, one. And a lot of the more sensitive men too when the relationships they tried to base around one night stands went south.
Is that seriously how a lot of women feel about flings/one night stands?
Yes. Exactly like that.
Okay, that sucks. Now I feel even worse about sleeping around.
Yeah but Jack I slept around too. I had a great dad so I didn’t have daddy issues. Im not going to get on a huge kick about looks but I was cute in my 20s n 30s. A 5’11″130 pound blonde. Men would often ask if I was a model. Great pick up line for a girl who was feeling pretty crappy inside. Usually after a few dates casual sex was how I chose to role. It always ended in heartache . Looks mean little but I’ve also been told I was funny with a great personality. So why was I being dumped? It led to a lot of self abusive behavior and more promiscuous behavior . It just made me feel awful . And I know some of the men Id dumped were hurt by me also. It didn’t make me feel very good about. myself for hurting them either.
And a drinking problem for years which thankfully I was able to quit!
To be the dissenting voice, I have quite a few friends who don’t feel like that after casual sex. I think that younger women are more likely to get very attached but of course the flip side of that is the possibility that older women (ie mid-20s and up) may just have had time to get more emotionally accustomed to what casual sex actually is and does/does not promise them – or, in more slanted words, to condition themselves not to get their hopes up. I didn’t really know too many girls who had casual sex in their mid to late teens so I can’t comment on that, really, it’s just one possibility.
That is not to say that I’m pro-casual sex! I am a pretty big believer in starting late and staying committed, for the most part.
Often the I love you was blurted out. I couldn’t tell you where ANY of them are today.
I don’t know, I did all my ridiculous amounts of sleeping around when I was a teenager, mostly with girls in their late teens or early to mid twenties (prime age to be hurt by casual sex you think?). I hate to think I hurt someone’s feelings that badly. I pretty much only had one night stands though, not with anyone I knew. I hope everyone was on the same page. :(
Yes Jack.
I felt the same way. And after awhile I just didn’t care anymore……..
Well, I’m way worse of a person than I thought I was. I’m sorry to all of you that got hurt by guys like me.
Well thanks Jack. But it is 50/50. You didn’t know and neither did I. Likewise to all of the men I dumped and was a cold hearted witch to.
Society had taught us it’s okay. Free love and sex…oh yeah yeah yeah. I kept destroying and punishing myself. The best thing we can do now is learn that we’ve all made mistakes and teach other people not to mistreat other people. I’m not saying all marriages are peaches and cream. I know plenty of divorced people . I wanted to save my marriage because I had told my husband I would divorce him because of his addictions. However we really didn’t want to divorce and just as we realized we really did love each other he died.
I just met a guy who was widowed 3 weeks ago. What a blessing. I also know of many people who have divorced and remarried and couldn’t be happier….I should clarify it was a blessing to meet someoene who I can talk to going through the same thing I am. We’ve exchanged phone numbers.
Oh and Jack I wanted to apologize for snapping at you last year when I told you to get to rehab. I’m truly sorry. I think I was dealing with such frustration from my husband with treatment prison treatment prison. I’m realizing addictions is a disease and I was out of line. I didn’t know you at the time and I was out of line. I am truly sorry.
I’ve actually grown to like you.
It’s cool Heather, I haven’t ever held it against you. There’s a reason addicts try people’s patience, it’s very difficult to deal with someone close to you doing self-destructive things over and over. Never been any hard feelings towards you on my part. I deserve to get snapped at sometimes!
Tnx Jack … I would often yell at my husband Why can’t you just get sober you’re ruining our family !!! I just didn’t understand why he was jamming a needle in his arm at 52 years old. Blew a 75.000$ settlement and 2 beautiful cars all in the name of heroin aka satan!! As I’ve explained my brother in law is in AA too after a 14 year prison term. He would call him a loser out of his own frustration. He really did love his brother but he was upset too.
DHS got involved because of my husbands drug abuse. After we buried my husband my brother in law wanted to tell the grown up kids their dad died of a drug heart attack. She took it upon herself to tell them it was an OD. I fell to my knees in agonizing pain “WHY would you do that?” Stabbed in the heart all over again.
I’m really sorry Heather. I lucked out because I got clean while I was still young, I guess the younger you are when you get clean the better chance you have to stay clean (though I am pretty much a functioning alcoholic at the moment, I haven’t touched heroin for over six years). For adult addicts it seems to be more difficult, especially when they’ve done it for years. It’s awful, and I’m sorry your husband couldn’t manage to get free in time. My ex didn’t have to deal with me actually using, but even without actual use, addictive behaviors remain and can drive people crazy. I don’t blame her and I don’t think you should blame yourself for being frustrated with him. I bet you gave him a lot of great times.
I stuck to the story to spare them some pain and she told them. It took me 2 days to regain my composure. The only solace I got was that I did get the autopsy report yesterday and my husband did in fact have a very damaged heart and lungs. He wasn’t long for this world. It was just the fact that his oldest daughter said “Thank God it wasn’t drugs.” It’s the stigma. I just felt that the social worker over stepped her bounds. It was private.
May I ask what those addictive behaviors were, Jack?
I remember not too long ago you were very resentful of the ex. Now it sounds like you’ve had some introspection.
I could be completely off base. And you don’t have to share if you don’t want. Completely understand.
Oops typo not drug heart attack. heart attack
Good for you Jack. My husband had dual addictions drinking gambling and then percocets heroin and suboxone. It was an accidental suboxone overdose that killed him. So in the end it wasn’t as if Id totally lied. He did actually die of heart failure at home rather than at the dope house with a needle in his arm. My brother in law smoothed it over and the kids are okay with it.
I’m sure I’m wrong but I think this social worker derives pleasure from my pain. This isn’t our first round. I’ve cussed her out several times. Maybe if I started praying for her I wouldn’t hate her so much. She told me her 21 year old step daughter killed herself over boys and that is tragic but now she’s got me going to counselors for depression. I’m sure she means well but….
Oh, it’s fine Carder. And you’re right, I was very upset with her right after we got divorced. It was a lot easier to blame everything wrong in our marriage on her than admit that I was just as responsible or probably more so than she was for how bad things got.
Uh, addictive behaviors. Addicts tends to be extremely self-absorbed and totally caught up in their own problems, they don’t care enough about how other people around them are doing. So I would tend to get all wrapped up in myself and my issues without even considering how it was affecting her. I would totally ignore her emotional well-being. I also have the terrible habit of thinking my problems are worse than anyone else’s. So that always caused issues. She would try to tell me some issue she was having with her dad or something and I would totally blow her off, “well at least your dad isn’t like mine, just get over it, can’t be that bad.”.
Another thing is addicts replace drugs/alcohol with other things, like sex or something else. In my case the only way I felt somewhat stable if I could lose myself in something, I would play video games for literally days on end and do nothing else, just like I used to binge for days. I also got really OCD with cleaning (still am, actually) and would get up in the middle of the night to vacuum or weird crap like that.
Another problem is emotional intimacy, a lot of addicts started using drugs to dull emotional pain anyway, and when you stop you’ve had so many years of practice at not feeling anything at all that it’s damn near impossible to connect to someone else on anything but a superficial level. I was terrible at physical affection, hugging, kissing and all that does not remotely come naturally to me at all and I didn’t even bother trying most of the time. I didn’t try to connect emotionally with her either, or at least only gave it a token effort at times just to keep her from complaining.
So yeah, I was just an awful husband. I mean, she did do some awful things to me, but I think she would have been a good wife if she had been married to anyone but me. Her and her boyfriend seem pretty happy, even though they go and party more than I would like. And she’s not a particularly involved mom (most of the reason I wanted custody, besides the fact she was violent towards me at times, even if that was my fault I didn’t trust her to have full custody of them). But for the most part I think a lot of the problems started and ended with my behavior.
Heather I would be seriously annoyed if someone overstepped their bounds like that social worker did. I don’t think that was her place.
Late have I loved you [Continence or freedom from addiction, truth, God], O Beauty ever ancient, ever new, late have I loved you! You were within me, but I was outside [drinking and carousing with women (or men), or any personal addiction], and it was there that I searched for you. In my unloveliness I plunged into the lovely things which you created. You were with me, but I was not with you. Created things kept me from you; yet if they had not been in you they would have not been at all. You called, you shouted, and you broke through my deafness. You flashed, you shone, and you dispelled my blindness. You breathed your fragrance on me; I drew in breath and now I pant for you. I have tasted you, now I hunger and thirst for more. You touched me, and I burned for your peace.
Tyler well put. Jack you’ve just described my relationship. I tried n tried. I even saved his life with CPR after an OD where he clinically died in front of me. And ty so much because through hysterical tears I’ve told people what the LSW did. Responses? Evil inappropriate wrong and nosey none of her business and definitely not her place. I screamed Isn’t DEAD good enough you blanking blank! And collapsing on the floor and pounding my fists. But what she did was totally legal!
Yeah, Heather. You did your best but it does take two people and addiction is not just physical thing, it’s definitely a psychological problem as well. Sometimes people can overcome it and sometimes they can’t.
Oh, and another behavior, a pretty terrible one I forgot to mention. Most addicts I talk to, and myself, feel like we have some hole inside that nothing fills, really, except drugs/alcohol do temporarily. It’s like some type of bucket with a hole in the bottom, No matter how much love and care you put into it, it drains out. If someone feels like that they won’t accept it and won’t believe that you actually care. I would constantly throw that back at her, any time she’d lose her patience and say something kinda mean, I would take it as proof that she didn’t actually love me and pick a huge fight about it. I’d have some checklist in my head of all my crazy proofs that she didn’t actually care. THAT will drive someone crazy and get them to treat you badly, if they can’t ever actually convince you that they actually love you no matter what they do. Finally like a week before she moved out she screamed “I DID love you, but you made it impossible.”
Thanks Heather I was concerned posting the prayer of the Saint because I thought that it might be a bit much for today’s modern sensibilities.
Yeah Jack I remember when crack and coke were popular in the 80s 90s Now heroin is an epidemic!! I mean teens are dying every day. Rehabs are full. More than one addict has told me how awful it is to detox bone pain lethargy diarrhea vomiting . Someone said picture the flu x 10.., shudder
Tyler bring on the prayer!
Detox is horrendous, you can also die from seizures if not properly cared for. That’s part of the reason they do opiate replacement, because sometimes people can go into shock or otherwise die from stopping the drug. Or they simply can’t physically stand withdrawal and need the replacements to keep from getting back on street drugs. You have recovering heroin addicts still on methadone or suboxone years later sometimes :/ Opiates literally rewire your brain
Jack its terrible to hear but I’m learning. My husband ( Brad ) tired of typing my husband had sooo much going for him but he never saw it. Handsome funniest man I’ve ever met kind big heart and compassionate but his son was killed in a car accident in 2004. I always watched him cry over Steven. Then we had Jacob who is 3 today. It seemed to give him a new reason to live but the drugs and frenemies took over and he did admit “I use drugs so I won’t have to feel.” Brad was tired. He slept away.
One of the things about sex is that when a woman has an orgasm oxytocin is released. This bonds her to the man for life. Even if she ends up marrying another guy, even if “gets over” the guy, that bond is there. A big part of sexual intimacy is creating bonds. (Jack, this was NOT to make you feel worse, but to give an explanation).
Chastity Speaker, Jason Evert describes it this way: “Think of a piece of duct tape. When you first stick it to something it sticks VERY well and is hard to take off of what it is stuck to. Bits and pieces of what it is stuck to will stay stuck to it. You keep sticking it to things, eventually it doesn’t stick very well because it’s got too much on it.”
This can happen to females even the first time they have sexual intimacy. A lot of people deny it, but I’ve seen it again and again and again and again and again.
I saw it with people who come to me years later and say “Gee, I wish I had waited until marriage.”
I had a guy friend say “I wish I could go back in time and save myself for my wife.”
There’s been a lot of people who never believe me, but the majority of them have come to see that one of the reasons I didn’t have sex in high school and until I was married was because I knew about the bonding.
Everyone thought I was such a prude. Now I sadly get to see how right I was. There’s someone who says to me “Well I’m going to marry such-and-such person–we’re committed. I’m not going to break up with him and he’s not going to break up with me.” Maybe she’s right, maybe they WILL get married…but they aren’t yet. And the whole “committed feelings”? That’s a part of the sex-bonding, too. Just because you FEEL committed, doesn’t mean you are. Until those marriage vows are exchanged, the backdoor is always open. (Yeah, people don’t believe me on that one, either–some DO go on to get married, but I still hold with the marriage commitment is not official until those vows are exchanged. Everything else is a poor substitute for the real thing. It’s like eating a candy of your favorite fruit and calling it the same thing as the real fruit–just isn’t).
And omg they throw you a tramadol in prison for detox here. They say you CAN’T die from detoxification from heroin. I disagree. Sean Lavertt brother of famous singer died in the county jail after pleading for his xanax. They put him in a restraining chair where he was pleading for help and died. The family won a 4 million dollar lawsuit against the city of Cleveland .
You can definitely die from withdrawal. I don’t know why anyone would say that you couldn’t.
Man I read my comments and I realize I look like the biggest POS in the world, lol. I did try, somewhat, I wasn’t an a**hole 24/7, and I think that some of it wasn’t completely my fault. But yeah, too little too late, I didn’t do enough to fix things, and by the time I wanted to there was too much damage done to the marriage.
To make a comment regarding the topic of the post:
I think one of the best ways for teachers to reduce abortions is to foster a sense of the Divine or of God in their students. It appears to me that our society has lost all sense of how shocking and anti-social it is to say that you don’t believe in God. In effect, the testimony of an atheist is: “God is dead.” God – the animator, sustainer, and creator of all things – DEAD. Atheism can be a proxy of the original sin – Adam’s disobedience, can be seen, in a way, not just about disobeying God’s authority, but also as an act of denying God’s existence. The profession of an atheist should be more shocking to us than the profession of an avid pro-choicer.
Sorry if this offends anyone, but without some humility, and respect for God, teachers like this are going to become more common.
Sydney M says:
April 19, 2013 at 10:03 am
Well Denise, the problem with that dumb idea is that men are constantly making sperm.
(Denise) You could freeze all the sperm that would be needed for when the man WANTS to impregnate a woman who is willing to be impregnated. Then the man gets a vasectomy so he starts making sperm that may contribute to a pregnancy likely to be aborted.
The idea isn’t “dumb.” It would mean that the man could be assured of his ability to reproduce but would not impregnate when it wasn’t likely to lead to reproduction. That is, he would plant his sperm when he was certain the woman was willing to shelter and cultivate the result of fertilization long enough to bring about birth.
Unfortunately, I have to report that my grandpa died the other night. I would just like to thank everyone here for their support during his brief illness and surgery.
I am so sorry for your loss, JDC.
Thanks, Alexandra.
Oh jdc I’m so very sorry.
Jdc i know your pain if anyone does. @ Jack you’re not a pos you are a normal human being going through problems like the rest of us.
Thanks, Heather. Again, I really appreciate all the support I’ve gotten here.
Jdc i believe you are one of the religious people on this blog. Im sure your grandpa is now in heaven free of all pain and suffering.
I’m really sorry for your loss, JDC. I hope you and your family are doing okay.
Lol Tyler. You’re funny.
Thanks, Jack. We’re doing as well as we can be.
“Jdc i believe you are one of the religious people on this blog. Im sure your grandpa is now in heaven free of all pain and suffering.”
No, I’m actually not. But thanks for the sentiment.
These are not “pro-choice ideas.” They are about taking some choices away to decrease abortion.
The fact is that there are 3 million unplanned pregnancies in America per year. About half end in abortion. There are also babies abandoned and killed at birth. Many children are growing up in impoverished single mother homes.
Some creative thinking to decrease unplanned pregnancies should be applauded.
Well, I will say that the “freezing sperm + mandatory vasectomies for all men” is a bit more sane than the “contraceptives in the water supply” one. Probably safer, too.
Denise some of your “creative thinking” ideas remind me of that book, Unwind by Neal Shusterman. Have you ever read it? In it a civil war broke out between pro-lifers and pro-choicers, and the only way the war ended was by criminalizing abortion, but to do so they made it legal to use teenagers age I think 14 – 18 as spare parts if their parents chose to. And abandoning newborns at random doorsteps was also legal. It was a weird book.
JDC,
I’m sorry for your loss. May his soul rest in the arms of Jesus forever. AMEN.
God bless to you and your family.
Personally I think freezing sperm, vasectomies, contraceptives in the water or in general don’t really SOLVE anything.
We haven’t learned to respect each other. Not really. Contraceptives don’t teach that. They say “Here use this and don’t get pregnant.”
Instead of seeing each other as human beings and that love and sexual intercourse are a commitment (after all, how babies are made, that’s a big commitment even if you give the baby up for adoption) we think “Well I got turned on, he/she got turned on, so off we went.” Or “I LOVE this person and desire this person and they do, too, so let’s go.”
Either we respect marriage and the role sexual intercourse plays in all that and human beings or we open the door to a whole slew of things–which has already happened.
A lot of people don’t treat sex with any kind of reverence or respect. They think it’s just something to give them pleasure, or to pleasure someone else. They don’t see it as a non-verbal communication between two people. I’m not saying sex feels good EVERY time or is awesome EVERY time, but it shouldn’t just be a chore and it shouldn’t “just be there”. It should MEAN something. It should be treated with reverence and respect. It should be recognized as bonding, life-giving, and an ideal to live up to. For it’s giving oneself and receiving another in the most intimate way possible. To me, that’s a huge deal.
JDC, I’m so sorry for your loss. :(
I hope you and your family are well, JDC, and I’m sorry for your loss.
Such a sad thread here :(
I’m sorry to hear about your loss, JDC.