Porn studies prof goes berserk at sight of abortion victim photos
UPDATE 3/13, 7:10a: Police have returned video a Survivors member took of UCSB Professor Mireille Miller-Young stealing one of their signs (of abortion victims) and assaulting 16-year-old Thrin Short.
And it gets even worse. Turns out the professor enticed a student to break the law and steal the sign showing abortion victims. Video shows Miller-Young physically blocked Thrin and her sister Joan from entering an elevator, pushed and scratched Thrin.
[youtube]http://youtu.be/sLemX9QtUa4[/youtube]
The Survivors say they plan to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law, which includes getting this out-of-control professor fired. Survivors representative Kristina Garza wrote in a follow-up email this morning:
[W]isdom can be garnered from this incident about the effectiveness of the signs. The Campus Outreach Team went back to UCSB this week to capitalize on students’ hyper-awareness of the issue, and it went really well. Besides people changing their minds, we saw the pro-abortion protesters become more and more outlandish. Students couldn’t take them seriously anymore.
Please pray for this terribly wayward professor’s conversion.
3/12, 2:24p: There is one visual a University of California, Santa Barbara, 
professor who teaches porn can’t handle: photos of abortion victims.
You would think Mireille Miller-Young, pictured right, who also teaches queer theory and sex work at UCSB, would have a hardened brain and eyes by now, but apparently the reality of abortion shown via photos of abortion victims overcomes her. From The College Fix, March 12:
A department of feminist studies professor has been accused of going berserk after coming across a campus prolife demonstration that used extremely graphic displays, leading a small mob of students to chant “tear down the sign” before grabbing one of the signs, storming off with it, then allegedly engaging in an altercation with a 16-year-old prolife protestor who had followed the educator to retrieve it.
Much of the scuffle was recorded on a smartphone by the 16-year-old, Thrin Short. The yet-to-be-released video is now in the custody of Santa Barbara law enforcement officials, who are investigating the March 4 incident.
Short, pictured right, was with a group of 13 from Survivors of the Abortion Holocaust when Miller-Young allegedly absconded with one of their 3×5 signs and ran off with it. What happened next, according to the Survivors:
She paraded across the campus with two female students carrying the sign. Joan [Short, Thrin’s sister] and Thrin followed, Thrin video-taping and Joan on the phone with the police.
The parade weaved through two buildings and entered an elevator in the third. Thrin attempted to get on the elevator with them, but Young blocked the doorway. Thrin stuck her foot in the door, but Young pushed it out with her foot. Tenaciously Thrin put it back. This happened several times as Thrin pleaded with the students to not get involved. “The police are on their way,” she told them, “you don’t want to be with Professor Young.”
Suddenly Young reached out and pushed 16 year old Thrin. “Don’t touch me!” Thrin cried, startled. Young’s long fingernails scratched Thrin’s arm. Young pushed Thrin twice more and each time Thrin kept the door from closing with her arm. Finally, Young got out of the elevator, and tried to pull Thrin away from the elevator door. Thrin held onto the elevator with her other hand, the one holding the camera. Realizing that students were trying to take the camera out of her hand, Thrin let go of the elevator.
The elevator doors closed. Professor Young let go of Thrin, leaving several scratches on her arms, and got on another elevator. Then the police arrived.
The police did not seem overly concerned about the incident until they saw the video and realized how violent the professor had been. Police identified the assailant and found the remains of the sign – it had been destroyed. UC Santa Barbara police are completing their report to be submitted for prosecution.
Photos below are of scratches allegedly made by Miller-Young to Thrin’s left and right arm. Click to enlarge…
Thrin plans to prosecute “to the fullest extent of the law,” according to The College Fix.
I can’t wait to see this video, one I’m sure Miller-Young won’t want studied. I hope nothing happens to it.
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
It’s really disturbing to think that this is the caliber of staff that universities hire these days.
so you can major in porn studies?
And this is the kind of person that students are supposed to look up to?
I guess she is pro-abortion because sex workers often “need” that safety net.
We have so many brave and bold prolife witnesses out there!! 16 and confronting a college professor? Go Thrin!
We need to be praying for their protection. Always!
When I was a kid, you made fun of someone by telling him he needed to take a sex class.
I guess students aren’t insulted by that anymore.
Here’s an article from the Santa Barbara Independent about the incident.
Read some of the comments from the “tolerant” liberals on the Left Coast. Very interesting.
http://www.independent.com/news/2014/mar/11/ucsb-professor-accused-assaulting-pro-life-activis/#comments
Interesting article phillymiss, the author focuses more on the “aggressive” and “controversial” nature of Miss Thrin’s group, rather than the professor’s “alleged” assault. Truly a biased article.
“Porn studies” and “queer studies”? Whatever happened to English, pre-med, biology and the like? And kids wonder why they can’t find work when they graduate from college. Gimmeabreak.
Sounds like Mireille-Young needs to take some lessons in classy behavior from the porn stars.
I’m glad Thrin plans to prosecute this banshee to the fullest extent of the law.
To be accurate, Professor Young was acting according to the strict rules set out by Campus Speech Codes, which mandates that only one version of abortion may be spoken of or seen in visual evidence on campus. She was only following orders.
This is a story about the heroism of young Thrin and Joan Short, and their courage in the face of oppression and assault by the Establishment. Our young heroes are the real liberals here.
Okay, what the “educator” did was out of line, but we need to remember we war not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers. What is making this “educator” so hostile? I’d guess it’s pain. I think that others in the prolife group need to approach her gently with an opportunity to explain herself. Use the JFA approach. And I bet you’d be surprised at how much pain there is there. This woman needs prayer.
Maybe a jail cell will teach her not to steal.
Christina,
I believe she could be post abortive. It might explain her behavior but not justify it. Assaulting someone and breaking the law demands justice.
Getting to the source of her actions or her pain will take some time.
Yes I will pray for her.
That’s fine, the professor disagrees w/ this group’s political views & display, but that doesn’t give her the right to unlawfully remove the students display & to vandalize it (destroy it) (amp; by doing so she stifled the group’s free speech), nor assault the person who attempted to stop her. She acted in an unprofessional manner in doing so, including solicitating students to participate in unlawfully removing the sign and I hope to see disciplinary actions taken by the university if nothing else. The group’s contraversial political views & their presence at the University, as well as what courses the professor specifically taught are an aside point, what the professor & her students did was unlawful.
It’s fine that the professor disagrees w/ this group’s political views & display (& I also disagree w/ graphic displays & shock tactics), but that doesn’t give her the right to unlawfully remove the students display & to vandalize it (they have a constitutionally protected right to free speech whether or not you agree w/ their views), nor assault the person who attempted to stop her. She acted in an unprofessional manner in doing so, including solicitating students to participate in unlawfully removing the sign and I hope to see disciplinary actions taken by the university if nothing else. The group’s contraversial political views & their presence at the University, as well as what courses the professor specifically taught are an aside point, what the professor & her students did was unlawful.
This a free speech issue, not an abortion rights issue, despite the students displeasure at the presence of the group & display,. The first amendment right to free speech is a constitutionally protected right, even for contraversial views & groups, if they are legally protesting/marching. Free speech applies to everyone, not just issues & political views you agree with.
And here I thought college was all about exploring view points and letting students explore intellectually.
Silly me.
I guess it’s now about giving them easy, pre-sliced bits of approved “controversial” topics that they can get into (sex studies, porn, knitting with dog hair), but the truth? Uh no. No! Everyone close your ears!! Cover your eyes! The truth is too controversial.
The normal way these situations are handled on modern campuses is to designate an obscure free-speech area where pro-life displays may be allowed. The administration should alert all students by e-mail when the pro-life groups are on campus, and to have them avoid that free speech area. This is necessary to preserve the Campus Speech Codes which must be strictly enforced, lest the pro-life displays interfere with the control the administration wishes to maintain over speech. If this were not done, the only other solution would be the for the campus to go on lock-down while the pro-life groups are exercising pro-life speech, much like the way administrations handle killing sprees on gun-free campuses. Why have Speech Codes at all if they’re not strictly enforced? Controversy should never be allowed on modern college campuses. How would Women’s Studies programs be able to maintain their sense of pride in their studies, especially porn studies, when graphic pro-life displays are a definite turn-off sexually? What purpose would Porn Studies serve if students were inhibited in their ability to be turned on by graphic sexual images? Porn Studies students have a Free Speech Right guaranteed by the First Amendment of the Constitution to express their sexuality in any manner they desire. It’s only limited by their own imagination and feelings at the moment. Those are the rules. The cure for bad speech is to ban bad speech, or at least put controversial speakers and their images in obscure places. Ban graphic pro-life images on campus or at least designate Free Speech “bubble zones” for graphic pro-life displays so students can be protected. Bring graphic sexual images of any sex act out into the open. What are we, living in the Dark Ages?
Well, I certainly hope this lady spends at least some time in jail. Even if she is in some pain, assault is assault.
As gleeful as it will be to see the slut-teacher shamed beyond what she has already done to herself…. she is not important to us.
We want to see this story spread far and wide. We want to see public apologies to the brave young Short sisters, and assurance of protection to the Survivors as they continue to educate the public (at a public university, where it is most needed!).
The media does not hesitate to sensationalize any stories of priests/pastors hurting children citing how clergy are to be trusted. Interesting how they ignore this story when the incident involves 1) a teacher, who should be trusted, and 2) a child.
Did you see as they were walking around with the sign all the people who were looking at the sign? So many people saw that baby’s bloodied head because that professor and those students stole that sign. HA HA! I love it when their attempts at intimidation backfire and they actually help us spread the truth about abortion.
This teacher needs jail time. You can’t steal and you can’t encourage students to participate in criminal activity and you can’t assault people and shove them off elevators just because you don’t agree with a particular viewpoint. Is this the Amerika we live in? You can assault those you disagree with? Throw this thug teacher in jail. Pro-lifers will not just stand there and accept being assaulted.
I saw on the news tonite that this charmer is pregnant and she claims this is why she reacted as she did to the pictures..
I would think being pregnant she wouldn’t want to involve herself in any kind of altercations, as this could pose a risk to the baby’s safety.
Her condition is too delicate for the pictures but not to physically assault someone.
In Wisconsin, this type of assault would be a Class A Misdemeanor Battery. Theft of the sign is also a Class A Misdemeanor. Maximum penalties for both are 9 months jail and $10,000 fines. If the professor does not have a prior record, etc, this will likely be plea bargained down to a fine of some sort.
We can expect that California law and penalties are similar.
Forget the penalties for the pornstar. She will not learn. However, it will be interesting to see how the University responds. Their actions will show other professors and students how this behavior will be tolerated.
Del there was really no reason to call this woman a “slut.”
Full disclosure: My prior comments on this thread have been somewhat tongue-in-cheek. I have had several graphic signs, and myself, physically attacked while doing pro-life informational pickets at areas on the University of Wisconsin campus and in the Madison, Wisconsin area. On only one occasion was it possible to bring in Law Enforcement to settle the matter.
A man came at me while a woman tore the sign away from me. I “Rope-a-doped” him and slipped punches until he was pretty much done throwing punches. The lady had tore up the sign. The cops showed up (my friend had called them while I was occupied.) The LEO’s asked if I thought this could be settled right there. I said, “Give me a minute to think.” I came back with an offer. I said if the lady would put the sign back together with some tape I had in my backpack and the man would pay me $30 to buy a new one, I’d call it squared away with me. I figured the lady was post-abortive, and putting Baby Malachi back together would be good therapy for her. What else could one do under the circumstances? The lady refused, and the cop asked me ”What now?” I said, in a stage voice loud enough for her to hear me, “If the lady doesn’t want to fix the baby, then that’s on her; I gave her a chance, but she didn’t want to comply; let it be on her conscience and I’ll just take the $30.” That was agreed upon. It could have been a lot worse for all of us involved.
I think this is another example, only on a smaller scale, of what can happen when someone plays cop.
First of all, this would be a matter for campus security to handle and the prof should have contacted them if she had any concerns about the legality of the signs. Upon informing her that these young women were not violating any rules, that should be the end of it.
Instead she takes it upon herself to play cop by taking the sign because she assumed the young women were acting illegally, or so she says, initiates a confrontation, likely not expecting the young women to come after her, and it results in an altercation. The prof is now facing criminal charges. Very foolish. People might react much more violently than you expect to your initiating a confrontation and the professor could have wound up in the hospital.
Moral of the story: Let the police do their job. Playing cop can get you in a lot of trouble.
A while ago a Northwestern (Evanston, IL) Psychology professor had a “presentation” in his class on sex toys and actually had two volunteers (male and female) demonstrate use. HA. That did not go over very well with the University. Makes me wonder what type of curriculum did UCSB approve for this “class.” Do they watch porn in class and write ”position” papers ? (sorry for the visual folks).
And I agree with Del’s slut-teacher analogy. She is most definitely disturbed in more ways than one and if that incident did not wake UCSB up?….
“Del there was really no reason to call this woman a “slut.””
Yep, or a “pornstar”. Her sex life has nothing to do with it, and her job doesn’t necessarily make her a “slut” (not that you should call someone that anyway). The important thing is she assaulted a child and damaged property, not what she does with her life.
:)
So, Thomas R., what are you smiling about?
I was the trigger there JDC. That’s pretty funny….
No you weren’t.
What a relief!!! Thanks….
Oh you two…
We’re best friends. And apparently we’re both very self-absorbed, I thought that was just me. :D
The Survivors say they plan to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law, which includes getting this out-of-control professor fired.
If the Survivors think either that they are the ones who do the prosecuting or that prosecuting includes getting someone fired, they’re not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
LisaC,
Of course they don’t do the prosecuting. What they likely mean is they plan to file a police report and take this as far as they can, hopefully to prosecute this woman. I don’t expect she will end up at San Quentin or get fired, but she will certainly have to pay an attorney if this goes to court or is settled out of court.
Maybe this will teach this porn prof that she can’t take the law into her own hands and that initiating confrontations with people isn’t very smart, it can in fact be very dangerous. Or in her case, costly.
You can’t have college ‘professors’ walking around campus attack students. She should no longer be teaching. Mary, where did you hear she was pregnant and any idea how far along? Perhaps her BC failed and she was faced with a poster of the unspeakable thing she was contemplating doing to her child.
Hi TS,
I agree, but that’s a matter for the college and the law to handle.
I stand corrected. It was a student who pointed out the pregnancy as a “reason” for the prof’s reaction.
A call to campus security was all that was necessary.
After the investigation, I think this teacher should be required to go through an anger management program before she is allowed back in a classroom. It would be required for anyone else who left marks like this on someone.
Blue Velvet,
One should also not engage in theft.
I agree, Mary.
Also in recent culture war news: 24-year-old man suspected of vandalizing Montana abortion clinic:
http://www.flatheadbeacon.com/articles/article/police_investigate_break_in_at_kalispell_abortion_clinic/38136
A Christian PL group that demonstrated against the clinic condemned the break-in.
Being this guy also broke into a gun store he’s more likely a seasoned criminal than someone involved in culture wars. Was the “vandalism” of the “clinic” possibly a break in and frenzied search for drugs?
Anyway, I’m glad you and the Christian PL group are in agreement on this. I hope to see him punished to the fullest extent of the law, as I do the porn prof.
Being this guy also broke into a gun store he’s more likely a seasoned criminal than someone involved in culture wars.
He is the son of two board members at the local CPC.
Sounds like he’s got some mental health issues going on to me.
LisaC,
This proves what?
Hi Jack,
He just sounds like a common criminal to me.
Looks like the guy also stole $950.00 from the clinic.
A B&E man who steals guns and money. Somehow this guy doesn’t strike me as some kind of moral crusader.
Yeah, he may have hit the clinic hoping the cops would be suspicious of the activists that were coming to protest later or something. Idk I used to do a lot of stealing (not B&E on houses though) and I was always worried about getting shot, so it was in and out not vandalizing wherever the robbery was going down. Seems like he’s unstable to me.
Kids rebel from their parents all the time; leaders in gov’t on both sides of the aisle reject Christian values as a means to determine values when writing laws, and this sets the example for rebellious kids these days. After Bill “Slick Willie” Clinton “…didn’t have sex with that woman,” kids started engaging in oral sex, getting sexually transmitted diseases of the throat, and now it’s an epidemic among teens.The kid who broke in to the abortion chamber was rebelling against his parents, an example set by our leaders in gov’t, in education and even by religious leaders, but only government can write laws. Pro-lifers aren’t terrorists, as this professor called them. Our gov’t calls pro-lifers terrorists, and our gov’t is always trying to find ways to criminalize Christians and pro-lifers. So this kid was being influenced to do evil by his leaders, and he was rebelling against his parents. Probably a good thing this kid got caught stealing; in a few years he would probably be killing people, most likely Christians or his parents.
“After Bill “Slick Willie” Clinton “…didn’t have sex with that woman,” kids started engaging in oral sex”
Really? Oral sex wasn’t a thing before Bill invented it?
I’ve never heard anyone blame oral sex on Bill Clinton. Wow. O.o
And thieves =/= necessarily become murderers, at all. Your entire comment is just…
And he’s not a kid. Isn’t he like 24?
Hi Jack,
Good point.
B&E people will often ransack when searching for money, valuables or drugs. We hear about people coming home and finding their homes ransacked. I’m not surprised he tore the place apart until he found something, which in this case was money. I would bet he was also looking for drugs.
Ransacking as in stabbing pictures of a baby with a knife? I’ve not known many people who did B&Es who did that. The ransacking was looking for valuables to sell or in the case of a clinic you’re probably right about drugs. I think he’s unstable for stabbing the pictures, not because he ransacked the place.
DocKimble,
As we know nothing about this man’s life I wouldn’t jump to conclusions as to how or why he turned to a life of crime.
I see your point but sick as it sounds, I’ve heard of similar incidents in home ransackings. Why smash family pictures or deliberately destroy items of no particular value?
Maybe they’re just PO’d they didn’t find what they were looking for.
Like I said, I’ve not known many who do that in B&Es except for people who are unstable anyway. Or just vandals, but most people I knew who vandalize didn’t go out of their way to steal. I knew a couple guys who spray painted and broke windows at a store for no reason, they were just bored. Whatevs, I just hope he has to make restitution and hopefully get some help if he’s got issues.
Hi Jack,
I agree, just get him off the street.
Slick Willie Clinton helped encourage kids to have oral sex, and now there’s an epidemic among kids of STD’s of the throat, with more resistant STD’s showing up every year. Our political leaders Santa Claused Slick Willie, and now our political leaders are trying their damnedest to criminalize Christianity. Kids laugh at adults because we’re too stupid to admit that for every effect there’s a cause, and we as a culture refuse to admit that bad leaders lead to bad culture, so “What difference, at this point, does it make?” Don’t worry: it’s always someone else’s fault, and if bad is good, then we can always blame God and Christians for not calling bad good. That will fix everything.
I don’t give a flying flip if ignorant people refuse to connect the dots, and throw around the idea that we can’t judge, even when it doesn’t take a genius to see what’s going on. It’s as obvious as a lightning strike to me that just as the sun comes up in the morning when you have leaders with bad morals, everyone suffers.
“When the sheepdogs run with the wolves, the lambs get slaughtered first.”
mpk
You’re pretty much not making sense at all. And you seem to be talking about my generation and , it seems, and I can promise you that “kids” barely remember Clinton and certainly don’t consider him in their sexual decisions.
Why didn’t promiscuity rates drop when Bush was president, I thought you guys loved him?
” Slick Willie Clinton helped encourage kids to have oral sex”
Do you have literally any stats showing that oral sex increased after Clinton’s activities?
Here’s an insider’s look at the state of modern campuses today:
http://www.amazon.com/Unprotected-Miriam-Grossman/dp/1595230459
If this 24 year old kid is like his peers, he knows who Clinton is, and you have to be pretty much in denial to think that evil doesn’t grow and grow unless stopped by morally good leadership. What Clinton did was give the green light to oral sex. And that problem hasn’t stopped it’s momentum, and has only grown since Clinton.
The stats are all in that book; it’s written by a campus psychiatrist who has seen it all and is fed up with the denial in our culture. Her name is Dr. Miriam Grossman, and the first edition of her book was written under anonymity because the deniers are known to react violently and punitively against those who call leadership to lead, and not hurt the vulnerable. She now has abandoned her practice and goes around the country giving lectures on the epidemic of STD’s and broken lives caused by this hypersexualized, and denied, Culture of Death.What is past is prologue. Kids get hurt first by immoral leadership.
Saying that it’s not possible for bad leadership to have bad results is like saying a General can go into battle without any intel, never call his troops to a high training standard, never teach his army about the tactics of the enemy, and expect the army to win every battle.
And good lord 24 isn’t a kid. I’m 25 and I have two kids and been married and divorced, calling people around my age “kids” is rather ridiculous. At 24 you’re responsible for your own actions.
Here’s Dr. Grossmann; take your head out of the sand in , use your mouth for eating and anus for defecating, and you’ll be just fine. If not, let the blood of innocents be on your hands, not mine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IeKSCHXs-0
People can be permanently infantilized by early exposure to sexually-explicit material and behaviors, and may never grow out of that stage of mental development. People here tell me “We don’t know anything about him; don’t judge him!” How do you know this guy has passed out of the infantile stage of mental development? In this culture? Don’t think so. The odds are definitely against that. If he in fact has an STD, he’s already stigmatized, IN HIS OWN BODY, and has a mark on his body that reminds him that adults don’t care. No wonder we have the leaders we have; we deserve them.
No one said don’t judge his behavior, but you make yourself look foolish when you start going on about Bill Clinton and the hook up culture when his crime by what we know had nothing to do with such things.
And it’s pretty insulting to sexual abuse victims to say things like people can be “permanently infantalized” by early exposure to sex. Permanent nothing, everyone can grow up and do better.
Monica Lewinsky has Slick Willie’s semen stains on the front of her dress. He was getting oral sex in a room off the Office of the Presidency. Did Bill Clinton “Grow up and do better?”
Uh, just because everyone can doesn’t mean everyone will.
If Bill Clinton invented oral sex and everyone hated it before, where did he learn to do it?
One in four teen girls are infected by a HPV virus. They’re getting infected by boys and men who are only doing what they see others getting away with. If girls can be abstinent until they’re older, they can be less likely to be infected, but our culture doesn’t admit that, for instance, the b/c pill can increase a teen girl’s vulnerability to HPV. But this culture is totally unaware of the epidemic and its causes. They only say, “If you feel like you’re ready, do it. But use a condom!” The vagina, unfortunately, isn’t politically correct, and the HPV virus isn’t either. Real feminism and real masculinity protects girls and women.
Dude, I don’t disagree that promiscuity isn’t smart, and that STDs are not pleasant, and that the hook up culture is damaging. But what in the world does any of this have to do with some dude trashing an abortion clinic.
Do you know how prevalent syphilis was in the 1600s or so? Promiscuity certainly isn’t new. Clinton certainly didn’t invent it. And I am pretty sure that the “free love” generation was waaay before Clinton anyway. Haha.
Bill and Hillary were flower children of the 60’s; they are poster children for the “free love generation.”
NEW STD’s are showing up every year, and they are becoming more resistant to drugs and other therapies. But you can’t put a condom on the heart. This isn’t the 1600’s.
What this whole BLOG has to do with is Jill Stanek finding a baby in a trash can, UNPROTECTED by the CULTURE that didn’t give a flying flip about its life.
Get a clue.
I love it when Baby Boomers say these things. So, you guys did the “free love” thing and paved the way for the loosening of sexual mores that influenced the hook up culture of the younger generations, but all y’all can do is sit around and lament how much the “kids” are screwing up and blame it on those darn video games and rap music. Own it Boomers!
I’m a Boomer trying to protect a Millenial from his or her own leaders’ stupidity and you’re telling me to “Own it!” Sorry, your aim is a little off. Blame those who are coddling you and telling you “You’re OK; pro-lifers are nuts!”
Bill started the hippie movement too?? Man that dude had his hands in everything!
Dude I am a pro-lifer, and I don’t think it’s nuts to be worried about promiscuity. I’ve never seen people sleep around lead to anything good, myself included in that. I’m simply amused at the insanity of blaming the hook up culture on a single person, scumbag that he is.
LisaC,
Since you brought it up, members of the CPC strongly condemned this break in.
Also, since this guy is a thief and stole money from the clinic, and guns from elsewhere, and I suspect was also looking for drugs either for himself or to sell, then its possible the “vandalism” and picture slashing were attempts to divert suspicion toward someone other than him. This way people like you and Blue Velvet would jump to the conclusion this had to be PL fanatics. Hopefully the police would too.
Staging crime scenes certainly isn’t unheard of. Murders will be set up to look like suicides, accidents, or the result of burglaries gone awry. Fortunately, people aren’t as clever as they like to think they are.
A single person can have a huge influence on culture. Mother Teresa and Hitler come to mind.
Bill Clinton has had an influence as well — less than some, more than most. There are too many that still have stars in their eyes when they are talking about Barack and Hillary.
LisaC, This proves what?
It proves nothing. It’s just information, in response to your suggestion that “he’s more likely a seasoned criminal than someone involved in culture wars.” The way that we distinguish between “likelihoods” and “things we want to believe” is by comparing the hypothetical scenario to the available evidence. Maybe he was a seasoned criminal who broke into the clinic’s furnace, water heater, and sewer line because he knew there would be drugs there and took medical documents because seasoned criminals know that’s where clinics hide their money. Maybe he was primarily looking for drugs, picked the clinic because the Drug Thieves’ Code of Honor protects pharmacies, and once he got in there, decided that damaging the clinic’s furnace, water heater, and sewer line, destroying all its medical equipment, and emptying fire extinguishers over the debris was a better use of his time than trying to find another facility that stocked the drugs he wanted. Maybe he broke in because he thought that damaging the clinic’s furnace, water heater, and sewer line, destroying all its medical equipment, and emptying fire extinguishers over the debris would Save the Precious Baybeez, and then opportunistically took whatever cash he found. That’s for a jury to decide. The evidence at hand, though, does not suggest that the Seasoned Criminal theory is “more likely” than the alternatives.
LisaC,
According to your link there is no mention of all the destruction you say happened, only that he “threw books and equipment on the floor”. That isn’t to say this won’t result in a lot of damage and loss, nor is it excusable, but for him to have done all the damage you say he did would have been very time consuming to say the least. The damage that is described sounds like someone in a hurry to find something, money, drugs, etc. Also, this may have been a far easier target than a pharmacy, which would likely have surveillence and alarm systems. It also would be easier to divert police attention to “PL fanatics” rather than seeing this for the theft it was.
Now, the fact this guy was caught in another break in and was found with multiple guns and a loaded concealed weapon when arrested at that attempted break in suggests to me this guy is hardly any moral crusader, but a dangerous criminal. He may also be mentally unstable.
I want to see a dangerous person taken off the street and punished to the fullest extent of the law.
Apparently the abortion clinic owner thinks his actions were “politically motivated” only because of who his parents are. Even you agree this proves nothing.
LisaC,
I’m curious. Any quotes from this guy concerning his PL views, assuming he even has them? Any records of any PL activity on his part? Also, do you know of any issues he may have with bail bondsmen as he was arrested while trying to break into Bob’s Bail Bonds? Certainly this proves he has it in for bail bonds people, right?
but for him to have done all the damage you say he did would have been very time consuming to say the least.
I’m not the one saying he did those things. The county prosecutor is. The clinic’s furniture, art, files, medical equipment, furnace, water heater, and sewer line were all damaged. Iodine powder had been thrown everywhere and, as noted above, the fire extinguishers were discharged over the debris. It probably was very time-consuming to do it all. That is why the police and prosecutors, who apparently lack your keen insight into the case, are treating it as something more than “the theft that it was.”
The scope of the damage is not listed in the first link I provided. I didn’t realize that all you know about the case is what is being spoon-fed to you here.
Certainly this proves he has it in for bail bonds people, right?
I’m sorry, did you have trouble following where I said that a jury would have to decide what he was up to? I’d rephrase it in smaller words, but I don’t know any.
LisaC,
Uh, its information that you “spoon-fed”.
Well it seems like we can agree that the guy is a vandal and a thief, we don’t know if he’s PL or know anything about his politics, only that his parents are PL, and we agree that proves nothing. You don’t provide any evidence of what motivated him. We know nothing about any criminal history or mental health issue he may have. So it would seem this clinic, like many homes and businesses, has been yet another unfortunate victim of vandalism and theft.
“If Bill Clinton invented oral sex and everyone hated it before, where did he learn to do it?”
I was under the impression that Bill did not do it but had it done to him. A big difference but what do I know…