Pro-life vid: Media complains pro-life sign at abortion clinic “near a school”
by Kelli
Another display featuring abortion victims is drawing fire, this time in Albuquerque, New Mexico, home of the infamous Southwestern Womens Options late-term abortion clinic.
While this local news report from KRQE.com seems to vilify pro-lifers for placing a graphic display near an elementary school, if you closely watch the video, you’ll see that the sign is directly in front of the abortion clinic.
Pro-lifer Tara Shaver of Protest ABQ responds to parents’ concerns in the video by saying, “[School children are] not our targeted audience. I would think that a more valid concern would be what’s actually happening so near to a school.”
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What do you think? Is this a valid concern about school children’s vulnerable eyes, or is the media trying to trash pro-lifers by telling half-truths about a sign that’s been in this location for two years?
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Two years and no complaints? And now the sign is a concern?
Finally!!!! Let the public conversation flow!
This public awareness of the sign has got to be the abortionist’s nightmare.
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“Finally!!!! Let the public conversation flow!”
Yes! Communicate People! Choose to Dialogue! Teachable Moment! It’s ALL About the Children!
I don’t think abortionist’s have nightmares, Del. They are the nightmares.
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“I don’t think abortionist’s have nightmares, Del. They are the nightmares.”
I think nightmares can have nightmares of their own. It’s kind of an inception thing. I’ve never actually seen that movie, but I’m pretty sure that’s what it was about.
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I haven’t either. But I think I might have played a role in it.
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Some of them have nightmares about aborted babies. Warren Hern’s staff do.
http://www.unmaskingchoice.ca/blog/2014/07/15/having-fetus-dreams
http://www.drhern.com/pdfs/staffrx.pdf
Yet we know pro-choicer commentators would go into hysterics if Lila Rose or Stephanie Gray ever talked about having fetus dreams.
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The sign should be removed on the basis of being misleading, providing false information or similar because it claims abortion is a moral wrong. That’s like claiming that wearing long socks is a moral wrong. Unjustified.
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Yes, killing a human being and wearing long socks are morally equal. Pfft.
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Not what I was saying Lrning. I was saying that proclaiming something to be ‘morally wrong’ is not a fixed, objective item.
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In recent years over half the respondents on Gallup polls have said abortion is morally wrong, so obviously many people agree with that subjective opinion. And clearly signs are allowed to advertise subjective content. (“Summer time is Pepsi time”. No it isn’t!! Subjective opinion! Remove that billboard!). So, no, the sign shouldn’t be removed because you don’t believe abortion is immoral.
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Funny how so many people who will respond that something is morally wrong still do it isn’t it.
The anti-choice sign is advertising? Advertising what?
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It is advertising the activity that happens inside the abortion clinic. Only… instead of trying to sell abortions, it is persuading people to avoid the product.
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I’m all in favor of the sign. I’d also get a billboard of some of the kindergarten victims in CT – the pictures would have to be released – but an anti-gun violence sign. And I’m sure PETA would like to post some pictures. Can we get some genocide pictures in there as well – maybe Ebola as well?
Kids are too mature these days as it is – is the elementary school close by? Can we pass out leaflets to the preschoolers?
What about us just posting graphic pictures right in the nursery at the hospital?
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This is FOUR BLOCKS from the elementary school.
If you don’t want your children or your students to see the pictures, stay clear. There are warnings.
If older children see the pictures and ask you about them, tell them that our world is sick and that you firmly oppose and are working to keep anyone from hurting/killing any more little children.
If you can’t tell your children that you oppose what caused the death of the children in the photos, well
BIG SHAME on you.
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Amen Prax!
And they need some video billboards with porn streaming during the day as well!
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“And they need some video billboards with porn streaming during the day as well!”
If this ever happens and your kids are with you, you’d be well advised to heed the warning signs and just zoom right on by! I think it is still illegal to expose your children to porn but correct me if I’m wrong.
If you are alone and chose to ignore the warning signs that there is porn ahead, hey, just go ahead and look and do what you do best!
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“And they need some video billboards with porn streaming during the day as well!”
Ex-RINO,
When I held signs during a 40 days for Life rally I did it to let the people driving by know that these children are being hurt and we need help to keep babies safe in the womb.
Only in a progressive’s mind is that comparable to holding pornographic signs
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If you could make a strong case that handing out leaflets of Ebola victims to preschoolers would somehow mean the difference between me dying of Ebola and me not dying of Ebola, absolutely I would do it. I’d hope we’d extend the same courtesy to the unborn child threatened by abortion. Though I think there are much more effective ways to combat abortion (or Ebola) than deliberately showing children images of their victims.
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Navi –
I think I’m bored with the effectiveness argument and the sloppy logical argument concerning these pictures.
I’m embracing the radical side of the argument on this board – and now I see the errors in the way of my own childhood. I had a small town, idealistic childhood. I played ball with the neighborhood kids, fished, played war – did all the things kids did. I didn’t know anything about abortion, gun violence, genocide, rape – all these evils in the world.
But these issues exist – so let’s pull the the blinders off our kids – they are growing up WAY TOO SLOW these days – we’ve got to get these issues in front of kids as early as possible so that they can be freaked out into conforming behavior, and so they can decide which way they stand on the issue.
I think it’s also clear, from this argument, that parents have way too much control over their kids. We need to get these issues, these pictures, these tragedies in front of kids and in public places regardless of the feelings of these parents. Get them in schools – get them in malls. Like TV commercials – these images – gun violence, abortion, global warming consequences, drug use – all this stuff should be burned into the brains of our kids by the time they are 5 or 6.
I’m on board. Six year old Noah Pozner was shot up to 11 times in the Sandy Hook massacre. We need pictures, and we need them everywhere.
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“I’m on board. Six year old Noah Pozner was shot up to 11 times in the Sandy Hook massacre. We need pictures, and we need them everywhere.”
Ex-RINO, If the progressives wanted to make it legal to shoot up schools and fund organizations to go around shooting up schools then your Sandy Hook analogy would be relevant and we would need pictures of Noah everywhere and I think any sane person would get on board with that.
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100% on target and relevant, as they are now – the entire nation, and both sides of the political spectrum, embrace and allow abortion. The entire nation, and both sides of the political spectrum, don’t have an answer to gun violence (and violence in general) in this country.
Put them in front of preschools!
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Ex-RINO,
Cecile Richards and the rest of the pro-death party tell people that killing unborn children is a moral and/or a ‘better’ parenting choice than nurturing these babies to birth. We hold the signs to rebuke Cecile Richards and the DemocRATic/Progressive party because they want it to be a legal choice to tear unborn children from the womb and kill them. When the progressives progress so far that they are able to make it a legal choice to shoot up kids in elementary schools then that is the day you will see Noah signs along-side of the anti-abortion signs.
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“The entire nation, and both sides of the political spectrum, don’t have an answer to gun violence (and violence in general) in this country.”
Wrong. Some of us do – getting rid of legal abortion would be a great start but we’re up against people who are unable to even understand the simplest of stories like the one above —
the photos of victims of abortion in this story have signs WARNING vigilant parents and, in addition, are FOUR BLOCKS away from an elementary school.
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Getting rid of abortion would be a big step to getting rid of gun violence? Um, okay.
Those signs need to be closer. Put them in the classrooms. Down with sheltered children!
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Violence against children is one long continuum. Absofreakinglutely.
Abortion needs to be exposed to be stopped. Show the pictures. That what you and your party call a sacrament, Ex. That IS you, as long as you keep carrying water for those people and their whacked out ideas of female empowerment.
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Courtnay – I’ve been saying all thread that kids have been treated as kids for too long – take off the blinders – show them some drugs, sex, rock n’ roll – and for goodness sake, some abortion footage!
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Hello, I am one of the prolife protesters who stands outside this late-term (up to nine months gestation) abortion facility to implore the women entering to consider giving birth to a live baby instead of a dead baby. We protesters are committed to ending the war on the unborn. Is it near a school? No, that is a ploy by liberal media. Our mission is to protest the killing of innocent children veiled by the womb which makes people blind to the life within. Is it a moral wrong? #1 – these babies are alive; #2 – are these babies human? (23 chromosomes from human mommy and 23 chromosomes from human daddy) #3 aren’t they as valuable as you and I? I dare say that they are. They are us before we were born – created in the image and likeness of God whose lives have meaning and purpose if given the chance to live. As far as using victim photography to jolt the consciences of Americans – “In a time of deceit telling the TRUTH is a revolutionary act.” George Orwell
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Ah, the “liberal” media.
I love any argument built around the “liberal media”.
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Ex-RINO,
I happened to walk by CNN this evening and their big story was a nun who sang Madonna’s ‘Like a Virgin’ song….that is where you get your news and you complain about Fox…
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There was a recent study done by Pew that says that left leaners typically get their news from a variety of places, and have friends of multiple political leanings – and right leaners watch fox WAY above all else, and typically only have friends with their same viewpoints – which creates a bit of a shell. Interesting study.
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“have friends of multiple political leanings”
Yeah, it’s okay to support killing children as long as you are popular.
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I’ve noticed that when it comes to abortion, Ex-GOP seems passionate about only two things:
1) Dems are no worse than Republicans when it comes to stopping abortion
2) No living child should ever see abortion victim photos unless their parent approves
I just wish he would redirect some of that passion to doing something to stop the killing of thousands of unborn children each day.
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I’m passionate about way more things that that – but on those two things:
1) I’d rephrase it as Republicans are barely better than Democrats when it comes to stopping abortion. I think if preborn babies could write big checks, they’d get more attention. Otherwise, the GOP says enough to keep the vote, but doesn’t really do anything substantial.
2) Yes – I have two issues. One, it’s a sloppy logical argument (the anti-death penalty crowd used it for years, and they simply built a less sloppy way to kill people) – and I feel like we don’t need a society in which we hammer kids with grown up images all through their childhood. It’s ridiculous to me that a group of people who love babies so much are so blind to childhood to the point of becoming little dictators themselves – running around saying what everybody should and shouldn’t be comfortable with, exposed to, and subjected to.
I’m passionate about a lot of other things though.
Have a great day.
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“saying what everybody should and shouldn’t be comfortable with, exposed to, and subjected to.”
Again, you are ignoring the facts their are WARNING signs so no one is exposed to any photos they don’t want to see.
Pics of murdered children make you uncomfortable. Poor you. But you continue to support what put those beautiful children in the photo.
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I was driving down the interstate years ago when my oldest was 3 – I didn’t see any warning signs about the truck we passed.
Nope, no signs.
If you believe the Democrats are who are to blame for the millions slaughtered, then you should step back, realize who the actual enemy is here, and readjust your focus.
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I’ve raised and worked with three year olds. I know their attentions are easily moved away from that which you don’t want them to see. Did your child ask you about what was on the truck?
What is the absolute worst that will happen if a child sees a victim of abortion?
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And if you don’t think that prolifers realize that there are those who claim to be prolife republicans who support abortion because it lines their pockets, you are the one who needs to readjust your focus. I was married to a “republican” who pushed me to abort and have come across a lot of “powerful” guys who call themselves “republicans” who could give a rat’s behind about women and children.
We who vote republican even have a name for these sad folks who lie about being prolife – RINOs.
Do the democrats have a name for those in your party who support legalized abortion? Oh yeah of course you do — they are called democrats.
You were never a republican but were always a RINO. Republican voters are trying to vote out those who support killing people — the democrats and the rinos.
What are you doing? Driving around complaining about trucks that show the truth of what you support. Nice.
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“If you believe the Democrats are who are to blame for the millions slaughtered, then you should step back, realize who the actual enemy is here, and readjust your focus.”
I’m sorry…I forgot…Who has “the right to safe and legal abortion” enshrined in their platform again?
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Prax –
With all due respect, this isn’t about districting children and this isn’t about your opinions. This is about a parent being able to parent their children without everybody else swooping in and saying what is or isn’t right for a kid. I don’t let my kids watch porn, PG13 or R rated movies – they don’t swear and people don’t swear around them – and I don’t have a whole lot of respect for people who say that they should simply be able to do whatever in public places and show whatever images, parents be damned.
ON your second post – I was a straight ticket GOPer for quite a few elections, and still vote for some. When they threw compassionate conservativism out the door, and embraced a fear centered, hide in the basement type attitude, I backed off from voting for them.
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xalisae –
I live in a state with a GOP governor, and controlling both branches. We have lots of abortions.
The entire country of China doesn’t have a Democratic party – they have a lot of abortions.
I would bet you a large sum of money if abortions were outlawed tomorrow, there would be abortions still.
If you believe the Democrats are who are to blame for millions slaughtered, then you should step back, realize who the actual enemy is here, and readjust your focus.
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Are you unable or unwilling to answer these questions? Did your child ask you about what was on the truck? What is the absolute worst that will happen if a child sees a victim of abortion?
“When they threw compassionate conservativism out the door, and embraced a fear centered, hide in the basement type attitude, I backed off from voting for them.”
There is no compassion in the party that supports killing children. I know all about the bully tactics of the right. These tactics also are used by the left btw and more to the extreme from what I’ve seen and by and large are way more targeted towards children than adults. Like I said, if you support abortion and say you are a republican, you are just a rino. I’ve been caught in the middle of the two sides because people have made assumptions about where I stand. I know which side is more cruel; I’ve seen it first hand. Where is your outrage at a proabort reporter laughing about Palin’s daughter being assaulted by a man? Where is your compassion? Your indifference nauseates me.
X, Last I remember, you moved to my state? If you ever want to contact me, you can get my email from Jill or Carla. I’d like to hear what you’ve been up to.
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“This is about a parent being able to parent their children without…”
It might be about that to you, but to prolifers this is about the 3000+ unborn children that are KILLED LEGALLY in this country each day. It’s about showing the tragic victims of abortion to expose the truth and to wake up a willfully blind populace to what is happening right in our communities. It’s about saving lives. Yeah, I know, stopping abortion doesn’t get you fired up and passionate like politics or arguing against public displays of abortion victim photos. You’re so concerned for children that see the photos, but not for the children that become the photos. It sickens me.
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Abortion victim photos are not a logical argument against abortion. They simply display what abortion actually does to a human being, and you can draw your own conclusions from there. Created Equal’s display does get a wide variety of reactions, but if the partial-birth abortion debate is any indicator I doubt “let’s just find nicer ways to kill people” is the overwhelming one.
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“I would bet you a large sum of money if abortions were outlawed tomorrow, there would be abortions still.”
Big bucket of duh.
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Prax – I’m unable to answer because it was 8 years ago – I know for a fact my kid didn’t see the truck – that’s all I do remember. And it wouldn’t be a tragedy- just like when a kid hears the ‘f’ word in public, or sees other disturbing images. The point that I’m making still remains that parents have the right to parent and kids have the right to be kids, and we should be tired of those who insist that they know what’s right more than parents.
When did I have indifference towards Palin? What’s going on – does a person have to express all their current outrages or you assume they are indifferent? So weird.
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Lrning –
Absolutely love billboards promoting life. Absolutely love signs promoting the beauty of children.
I would ask this – why do you and Prax get so angry – so upset about somebody whose pro-life stance looks different than yours?
Why do you get so threatened to the point of anger when a person doesn’t fallow exactly your stance?
What is it about debate and differences that make you so vile?
It’s very odd really – one of you is sickened, and one of you wants to throw up? Why? Because I love my kids so much I don’t want them to see graphic images when they are little?
I mean, what’s wrong with you two? Seriously. I’ve been on a lot of different boards – lots of different arguments and conversations – been on a board for a long time on the death penalty – and HANDS DOWN, the angriest people out there, and I”m talking most disrespectful and rude to other thoughts and differences, are pro-lifers.
And again, your first response will be “just leave” – I’d really like to know though – why is it so threatening to you if somebody who loves life, would never have their family have an abortion, raises their kids to respect life, promotes it to friends – why does it threaten you so much if I don’t get excited about what Mitt Romney will do for this country?
Seriously.
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Prax – on your “duh” statement – I was pointing out the obvious – that you folks spend all this time pretending as if the Democratic party was at fault for every abortion int his country – and you’re missing the point if you think that.
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“would never have their family have an abortion”
LOL. It’s not your decision. Apparently, you’ve never understood this point enough to even miss it.
Seriously, why are you so angry all the time? It’s not very becoming. You should really try harder to get along with prolifers.
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Ex-GOP,
1) anger and disgust are not the same thing
2) I don’t recognize your stance as pro-life/anti-abortion
3) Mitt Romney? I guess you haven’t noticed, but I’m no fan of the Republican Party and am not especially interested in politics. I view abortion as a human rights violation.
4) you think I’m threatened by you? Oy vey. You disgust me because you tout yourself as pro-life on this blog, yet I can’t recall you ever acknowledging the travesty of abortion without hiding behind politics, can’t recall you ever expressing compassion for the victims of abortion that are shown in those photos you object to so passionately. Basically you seem to believe you’re pro-life because you would never kill one of your own unborn children. That seems about as lukewarm as one can get on the subject. And when the subject is the brutal killing of the youngest and most vulnerable human beings by the thousands each day, yeah, that someone can be so lukewarm yet spend so much time on a pro-life blog discussing politics disgusts me.
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“without everybody else swooping in and saying what is or isn’t right for a kid.”
Ending up in a photo on a truth truck isn’t right for a kid.
Disgust is absolutely the word, Lrning.
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Just follow this logic…
Ex-RINO says that abortion is murder. Ex-RINO says that he would never vote for anybody who supports murder. Ex-RINO votes for people who fund and support Planned Parenthood the largest killer of unborn children in the US. There is not logic or rationale to Ex-RINO.
Ex-RINO comes to Jill Stanek’s web-site as an Obama apologist. Obama voted against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act and Obama held fundraisers to try and keep the barbaric practice of Partial Birth Abortion legal.
Obama gets more political contributions from the abortion industry than all the other politicians combined. And he still gets Ex-RINO’s vote.
Ex-RINO is as phony as a three dollar bill and all I can figure is that his purpose on this site is to derail threads.
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Lrning –
On point 2 – I find it against the better interest of the pro-life cause to have a 10 point bulleted list requirement to fall into your camp.
On point 4 – I’m glad you feel comfortable making such large sweeping statements from our conversations every month or so. Seriously – do you keep a notebook or something? Here’s what I know about you. You seem like a decent person – couldn’t even say if you’re a guy or a gal – I don’t remember how pro-life you are – I think you might be a Christian, but don’t really remember.
You feel comfortable making a heck of a lot more judgements – I’ll tell you they aren’t that accurate.
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Prax –
And that’s the mentality that leads people to bomb clinics and shoot people. Yes, abortion is bad – but there are still good and bad areas that pro-lifers can go into and actions to participate in. Just because abortion is really bad doesn’t mean that our response should be whatever we want.
Let me just ask flat out – do you believe you know how to parent my children better than I do? Yes or no question.
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If you tell your children you support a mommy’s legal right to choose to do what is shown on a truth truck then yes, I do believe I know how to parent your children better than you do.
Put that in your notebook.
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I don’t – I consider myself pro-life. By your standards, who knows.
That’s interesting though in general. Thanks.
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So you oppose legal abortion?
Is that a correct statement?
I consider myself a super model.
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If I were in charge of this country- all three branches of government – I would outlaw abortion, put universal healthcare in place, quadruple the child tax credit, expand maternity/paternity coverage.
I’d support both birth and life.
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Yay!
Now how do we get you in charge?
I was just joking about considering myself a super model.
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