Rand Paul challenges Hillary Clinton on accepting Saudi money
In remarks for delivery to Republican activists Friday night at the Carroll County Lincoln Day Dinner in North Conway, N.H., [Rand] Paul will say: “There has been much talk of a war on women. There is indeed a war on women - in Saudi Arabia. When Hillary Clinton claims she will support women’s rights, ask her why she accepted millions of dollars from” - and then he plans to mention specific countries.
The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday night that the Clinton Foundation received $7.3 million from Saudi Arabians from 1999 to 2014, based on contributions of more than $50,000. The Clinton Foundation says the money has gone to good projects that are “improving the lives of millions of people around the globe.”
~ Politico, March 20
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
So what do you expect from a woman who has enabled her sexual predator of a husband for years?
And Rand Paul then probably left after that statement to go help craft the GOP budget, which is a real war on women…
And again – if this is a pro-life site where people don’t want political divisive talk…stop posting political divisive topics. Otherwise, it’s fair game.
How many of the deleted emails were Hillary covering her ass from Saudi donations to the Clinton Foundation while she was Secretary of State?
“And again – if this is a pro-life site where people don’t want political divisive talk…stop posting political divisive topics. Otherwise, it’s fair game”
Ex-RINO, your “contributions” on this site has never been anything but political from your moniker all the way down to your apologetics for Obama the Born Alive Baby Killer. When are you gonna get it through your head?
truth – not sure if you’re asking me or asking the world rhetorically?
Hard to count deleted emails, so not sure. And I don’t work for the future President.
Actually EGV if you’re so concerned about the “war on women” then you certainly don’t want Bill running loose in the White House.
I’ve actually had some good conversations on abortion threads before – I just usually end up getting attacked so quickly that I jump out of them. You aren’t pro-life enough unless you are straight ticket Republican.
I’m just pointing out, again, that some people don’t like political talk on this site – but as long as the site if quite willing to have blatant political postings (posts that are more political than pro-life), I’m not going to feel bad adding my two cents.
“Hard to count deleted emails”
But it is not as hard to count the donations from Saudi prince Al-Faisal to the Clinton Foundation.
Mary –
I know you consider yourself judge and jury, and quite frankly, an American citizen has the right to do anything they want regardless of logic – they can watch Fox News, eat dirt all day, or believe anybody is guilty of crimes they were never convicted or tried of.
So you have that right to believe whatever you want.
Frankly put though – let’s be honest – does anybody actually ‘get’ what the war on women conversation has been? Now has anybody actually read any of the high points of the newest GOP budget? Make some connections people…make some connections…
truth
To pretend that one party has dirty hands and the other doesn’t is simply wrong:
http://www.thenation.com/article/181674/saudi-lobbying-complex-adds-new-member-gop-super-pac-chair-norm-coleman#
Ex-RINO, Quit Grubering all over us. Your moniker proves your primary purpose to blogging is 100% politically partisan.
truth
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Mods – can I change my moniker to “The Professor”?
Ex-RINO, I see right through you. You have spent years on this blog as nothing but an Obama sycophant.
Will changing your moniker to Professor lessen your support of politicians who vote against the protection of Born Alive infants? If not then why bother hiding who you are?
truth –
I’ve actually been critical of Obama numerous times, and I can be much more critical of Obama than most people on this site can be of their republican heroes.
I like to think of myself as the voice of reason – a lot of conversations go off the deep end regarding logic, balance, reasoning, or perspective.
“a lot of conversations go off the deep end regarding logic, balance, reasoning, or perspective.”
omg lolOLol Did you just say “I like to think of myself as the voice of reason” It’s not bad enough you support killing children of botched abortions now you are trying to kill me by making me laugh so hard.
Is it reasonable to say you believe abortion is murder and vote for a party that says they support the choice to abortion? Think please before answering.
EGV,
I consider myself judge and jury? Do you honestly think Bill and Hill are going to be tried and convicted of anything? Come one EGV, we know money and power talk.
http://stonezone.com/article.php?id=649
But if Bill Clinton’s suspicions are correct, and I would think he has very well placed sources, and Obama is in fact behind this e-mail scandal, then the Clintons have met their match….someone who thinks just like them and is every bit as dirty as they are.
Talk about poetic justice.
truth
You do have a point – I have considered not voting for either party at all – simply checking out of voting until there are better options.
Mary
So you are advocating that in some situations, we should move beyond “innocent until proven guilty” and move to slander and judgement by the mob? You don’t have to answer – that’s what you seem to believe.
Hey – I’m not excited about Clinton – she’s far from progressive enough for my tastes. But she’s at least 20 times better than Walker, 50 times better than Carson. If the GOP rolls out Jeb or a moderate, it will be worth a debate – but Clinton vs Walker? Clinton vs Rand Paul? Clinton vs stinkin Ben Carson? If people voted with their pocketbook and senses, it should be a route like Reagan in 84.
Mary, It is poetic.
Ex-RINO, Two posts ago you said you could not even consider voting because abortion is murder and you have trouble voting for anybody who supports a persons choice to abortion. And your next post you say how much better a pro-abort choice (Hillary) would be for president? You and your other personality should go on sabbatical together until you can work things out and come to a consensus. LOL
No EGV,
I’m just not naive enough to think money and power don’t talk..and a lot of wealthy and powerful thieves, abusers, murderers…. and sexual predators walk the streets as a result.
Mary –
How do you say ‘no’, but then essentially say ‘yes’? You’ve many times considered Clinton guilty outside of any American standard of guilt. How is that not considering yourself judge and jury?
truth –
I’m a realist. To me, abortion seems like a dead end issue – the ‘best’ the right seems to be hoping for is fragmented state laws in which, the reality is that the majority of states will still allow abortion, and those that don’t will be near enough for people to drive to.
If that’s the best case scenario, then I’d rather fight in favor of economic systems that make abortion look less attractive.
Don’t look at the millions of dollars from people who subjugate women! Don’t look! Me! Me! Let’s talk about ME instead!!!
EGV,
I’ve told you. I know perfectly well he will never have to answer for what he’s done. IMO he’s guilty as sin. In the eyes of the law he’s innocent as a lamb.
Mary
And in a lot of people’s opinions a lot of people are guilty of a whole lot of stuff.
Thankfully, this country has some foundational elements that are a bit stronger – and requires more ‘proof’ then what you’ve read in some articles.
“I’m a realist. To me, abortion seems like a dead end issue -”
So you agree there are thousands of unborn children being murdered every day in abortion but you have given up trying to protect them. Would it be fair to say that you call yourself pro-life but just not actively pro-life then.
No truth – 100% no.
I’m saying that protection isn’t going to come in, well, whatever you believe it is going to come in (a personhood amendment? a new constitutional amendment?). I believe that 50 years from now, abortion will be legal in this country – so the things that are going to impact abortion rates are creating a pro-life culture – making the economic situation such that we don’t see what we do now – which is women feeling hopeless where they believe the only option is abortion.
I knew the progressive mind was able to bend but how do you drive by abortion clinics and ignore it?
EGV,
I assume you have a source that disputes mine and can point out that Bill, as well as Hill, have been falsely accused? Also do you sincerely believe Bill would ever face any kind of judge and jury?
Also, Al Capone was found guilty only of income tax evasion. Do you have any opinion as to whether or not he was guilty of anything else?
truth –
No abortion clinics in this area of the state – so it’s pretty easy.
Look – I’ve given you the opportunity to share the legal game plan moving forward – you’d rather attack and slander then talk about anything of actual substance. I gave you quotes from Scalia – I’m not 100% sure you know who Scalia is.
I’m not saying abortion isn’t bad or it isn’t murder – I just don’t see the legal path forward that will eliminate abortion – and in the meantime, I feel that the GOP is making it worse for families and women that are making the choice between life and death.
Mary
I don’t need any source that says he’s innocent or falsely accused. He’s walking around free and hasn’t ever gone to trail for anything you’re throwing out.
How do I know you haven’t committed murder – oh right, you are posting on this board today and aren’t in jail.
Your plan is to create a pro-life culture by electing pro-choice people as our representatives…. That doesn’t sound like a very good plan,
But truth – what’s a ‘pro-life politician’ these days anyway?
Somebody that will stand up for the rights of all fetuses over 20 weeks old? I mean, that’s the big fight these days – the GOP wants to (well, they maybe want to) save 1% of the babies – while also utterly destroying many social programs that directly help women and families making these decisions.
I have yet to see a true pro-life politician – are they like unicorns, they simply don’t exist?
“I’m not 100% sure you know who Scalia is”
That is cause you are not really here for dialogue. If you were you would remember my posts identifying Scalia as Supreme Court justice and I even posted his stance on abortion. Would it help you if I were to copy and paste the post for you? Do you never get tired of bloviating strawmen?
Ha.
I give substance, you attack and slander.
I give substance, you attack and slander.
It’s okay – you don’t have an answer to the path forward – there probably isn’t one. The GOP says enough to get your vote, and you feel happy about that – it’s a good gig they’ve got going. Show some small “results” once in a while – big bills that nobody actually prosecutes – fancy titles with no results.
And yet when I question that, I’m this horrible person.
Whatever.
“But truth – what’s a ‘pro-life politician’ these days anyway?”
Substance in pro-life culture means you cannot support the choice of people to kill the unborn and cannot support the funding of that choice.
Okay truth
Lay out your best case scenario – starting in 2016 – what is the 20 year plan? You lay it out – you get whatever scenarios you want – every GOP victory at any level, any supreme retiring or passing away – lay it out and then I get to ask questions.
Anybody else who wants to – fire away.
Ex-GOP says:
And Rand Paul then probably left after that statement to go help craft the GOP budget, which is a real war on women…
Dude… In what regard is working toward a governing budget equivalent to “waging war” against anyone, and against women in particular?
The balanced budgets of the Gingrich/Clinton era were the best thing that happened to America in the past century.
American families are going to suffer for the next century due to the trillion-dollar-per-year deficits of the last decade.
This is a serious problem with a clear solution — and partisan politics are preventing us from taking care of ourselves.
A budget that saves America is going to pinch every person in this country. We have to tighten our belts and just do it.
– There is no point in blaming Republicans for doing what must be done…. We can only blame them for not doing it.
– There is no point in blaming Democrats for fostering the welfare state that entraps women and discourages marriage…. We can only blame them for frustrating our efforts to fix it.
Today: There is an international problem of oppression of women and Christians in Muslim countries. Our next president is going to have to deal with this.
Hillary has taken money from these nations for her “charitable works.” She needs to answer how this will not impair her ability to lead as a statesman. She could easily turn this into a positive, if people will believe her.
Walker and the Republican hopefuls need to answer the same question about leading in international statesmanship.
Unless we are dumb enough to fall for the old “war on women” schtick again, and distracted by mundane budget work.
EGV,
You mean you don’t have any such source.
He’s walking around free and has never gone to trial so that’s all the proof you need.
So you think that other than income tax evasion, Al Capone was a model citizen, correct?
If Jeb is the republican candidate, I will not be voting for president. Too many Clintons and Bushes.
I hear you David. Jeb is just another establishment RINO.
As for the Clintons and Bushes, recycling has its limits.
“Lay out your best case scenario – starting in 2016”
People work to build a pro-life culture by not supporting the choice of people to kill the unborn and not supporting the funding of that choice.
Ex-RINO, before you answer you should preface your posts by letting us know which of your personalities is addressing us…the one who thinks abortion is murder or the one who wants to elect pro-choice representatives.
I say this with respect: Ex-GOP believes that the Democratic Party will serve America better than the Republican Party.
We should all respect him and his opinion. Let’s disagree on the facts and analysis, but stop with the personal attacks. It’s just politics, folks. Not matters of life and death.
For my part, I expect that the Republicans will do slightly less damage than the Democrats. Neither party has a forward-looking vision that cares about the thriving of American families and culture. Neither party has the courage to cut government spending down to the level that Americans desire to pay for…. so they are just waiting for the economic collapse to save them.
As pro-lifers, we are justified in discounting any candidate who supports abortion. Any person who will not protect the dignity of innocent human life is unworthy of our trust in any capacity — not even as dogcatcher. A person who encourages dismembering children is likely to be cruel to animals, and such a one cannot be trusted with the care of our police, or troops, or school children.
Among the pro-life candidates, choose the ones who will do the least damage. Then get on with your lives as if politicians don’t matter — because they don’t.
Del
On your budget post.
The house GOP budget is a giant sham in general – for instance, it repeals the benefits of obamacare, but keeps all the revenue in tact – which I’m sure would go over well (we are going to repeal people getting insurance, but we’re going to continue to collect the targeted tax increases!).
What I think I think about the deficits:
– Having a balanced budget isn’t necessary – having a deficit in line with the GDP is
– Neither party believes it is a high priority. In fact, almost every American doesn’t believe it is a high priority
– It is easily fixable – but it can’t be done with cuts alone, or tax increases alone
– The GOP budget is an attack on the lower and middle class, women, families. It essentially says that we have a deficit, and to solve that deficit, we must keep in class all the benefits the wealthy enjoy in programs and loopholes, and takes the poorest among us and says they are living too well, and we must work to balance the budget on their back. The old ‘compassionate conservatives’ would have never done that – this new breed of mean conservatives – they should be ashamed of themselves, and glad that the budget will never go anywhere.
Mary
I don’t need a source.
Clinton is walking around free. In America, you can’t judge try a person as guilty without evidence, a trial and a conviction. If you’d like me to send you a link to the constitution, I will – that is my source.
truth/Mary/All
Let the record state that several hours ago, I threw out the opportunity for anybody to lay out their 20 year plan with all resources and scenarios at their benefit.
Crickets…crickets…crickets…
And yet I’m the bad guy because I don’t close my eyes and blindly vote for the person with an ‘R’ behind their name.
Crickets…crickets…crickets…
EGV,
Sure, whatever you say EGV. Those women are all liars. Women who accuse wealthy powerful men always are.
Now how about you answer my question about Al Capone?
Ex-GOP, your attitude is so sad. If those in the past had your attitude, slavery would legal today.
I have no 20 year plan. But there are states that are nearly surgical abortion free regardless of the law as it is today. Mississippi and one of the Dakotas are down to a single abortion facility I believe. Will someone confirm?
I think we all need to be watching those state’s elections and giving generously to the prolife candidates. Then I might strongly consider moving.
My one & only political comment.
Peace and love to all.
Sharon
I get that a lot. “I totally disagree with you ex, but I have no actual solution or thoughts to offer on the situation!. You should totally be on board with the train that nobody seems to be able to lay out, and have hope in the plan that nobody seems to be able to articulate.”
So please don’t call me ‘sad’ for not getting on board of something that seems to not exist.
Mary –
As time has passed, it seems rather certain that Capone was guilty for much more than he went to jail for. In the eyes of US law, you are correct – he wasn’t nailed for any murder charges.
Del,
Ex-RINO just posted “Let the record state that several hours ago, I threw out the opportunity for anybody to lay out their 20 year plan with all resources and scenarios at their benefit. Crickets…crickets…crickets..”
The crickets are only in his head. Over and over he ignores what is posted to him and posts claims that are patently false. At 4:06 pm I laid out my 20 year plan. I say this with all respect Del, do you seriously not see that or do you think we should all continue to suffer his unending bloviations and strawmen?
EGV,
So we agree then the fact someone has never been tried or convicted does not in itself prove someone hasn’t committed a criminal offense. Either there isn’t the evidence, they know how to silence witnesses, or they are just wealthy and powerful enough to get away with anything.
“It’s just politics, folks. Not matters of life and death.”
Del,
On the abortion issue, politics is indeed a matter of life and death. Democrats openly advocate the choice to kill and young innocent lives are taken every day because of it.
“People work to build a pro-life culture by not supporting the choice of people to kill the unborn and not supporting the funding of that choice.”
truth – if that’s the best you’ve got, I can see why that whole fringe abolish movement broke off and started doing their own thing.
The abolitionist movement agrees that we should build a pro-life culture by not supporting the choice of people to kill the unborn and not supporting the funding of that choice. In fact I really don’t know any pro-life group or even a single pro-life person who is not in agreement on that.
I don’t know truth – went to the AHA site and under the 5 key principles, seems more to be about a grass roots movement from believers than through politicians.
I’ll just make a mental note that no plan exists other than blind voting and hoping for the best.
“no plan exists other than blind voting”
“You” can make that mental note cause you support blind voting. Pro-life people, on the other hand, can vote conscientiously to build a pro-life culture by NOT supporting the choice of people to kill the unborn and NOT supporting the funding of that choice.
truth
You seem to support rhetoric over results
You have no idea if the end game is an amendment, the overturning of R v Wade, or simply a bunch of state regulations
You seem to be a-okay with 99% of abortions moving forward as long as you can get 1% of them illegal.
You seem to think a world in which we make the lives miserable for those choosing life or not is okay
If you are trying to be persuasive to somebody asking actual questions – looking for a tangible, workable path forward – you are failing beyond miserably.
I say I think we should not support representatives who support the choice to kill and you respond by saying that my plan is to vote blindly. Your posts are the bloviations of a strawman. At this point I think even Del would have to admit that.
Ex-RINO,
Building a pro-life culture by not supporting the choice of people to kill the unborn and not supporting the funding of that choice is analogous to controlling the center of the board in a chess game. Chess is a game that lends itself to logic and reason so you probably do not play chess, or at least not be very good at it but I’ll school you anyway. In chess people make decisions all the time based on core principles like controlling the center of the board. There is no precise plan on how those moves will lead to checkmate but you always make moves and decisions that are conscious of these principles because they put you in the best position to eventual victory.
I’ll, once again, put the personal attacks aside.
I do play chess – i know the ultimate goal is a checkmate.
What, specifically, is the checkmate of the pro-life movement. I don’t want some generic answer like “zero abortion deaths”. Is it simply R v Wade overturned? Is it a constitutional personhood amendment? What specifically do you see as the end game?
Or are we tired about talking abortion, and we should talk Scott Walker or something else.
I’m giving you the most free reign that I’ve seen given on this board – I’m not cherry picking an argument – I’m not just hammering on a small exception – I’m saying, if you could pull all the strings, what do you think the 20 year plan is?
At this point, I think are plans are equal – I’d like to see a society in which families and mothers are so supported and children so honored that people simply wouldn’t choose abortion. I’d raise taxes on the wealthy back to Reagan type levels, and I’d expand the child tax credit, day care funding, education funding – and I’d move to a universal health care for all. This would build the pro-life culture.
You want to go through legislation, and say it is of upmost importance to vote that way. Convince me, or simply say you won’t, and we’ll be done.
So you want a big brother solution to end abortion by paying women to have children and offering more money from the rich and making them pay to raise other people’s children. Seriously? Are you going to give them all free education and housing and too? Anybody with a lick of economic sense would know that could not last. Seriously, the only solution progressives have for anything is giveaway’s using other people’s money.
Ex-RINO,
You somehow cannot see how patently irrational it would be to try and build a culture that supports unborn life while encouraging people in that same culture to support representatives who support the choice to kill unborn life within our culture.
You asked for a 20 year plan and I gave you one. My plan would make the legislative and judicial and cultural solutions ALL have the best chance of succeeding. Your plan makes no sense and besides that has no economic way of succeeding beside the fact that it throws away the judicial and legislative possibilities to protecting the unborn.
See truth – you put money over lives – and think legislation is the answer to everything. Just ‘ban abortion’ – though you can’t even lay out how. I’ve given you what, five chances? 8 chances? And all you can say is vote in a bunch of pro-life people, and what – I guess it all works out in the end?
What I’ve given at least works – is tangible. You can question it – but we’ve had higher tax rates – worked pretty well under Reagan and Clinton. Universal healthcare? Works in other countries all over the world. Triple the child tax credit – that came from Rick Santorum himself. Is it perfect? No – certainly not. But it’s a plan.
And it is much more than you’ve given – which seems to be elect pro-life people, and then, well, maybe they’ll, ummm, do stuff – and that will, ummm, change stuff.
Thanks, as always for the brilliance.
I’m giving you one last chance to say something of substance before I ditch this thread. One more waste of time.
“One more waste of time.”
Ex-RINO, Maybe not a complete waste of time. Multiple times you demonstrated how irrational you are and so more people probably see that in you now.
Maybe this thread has helped you better understand your dual personalities. The one who thinks abortion is murder and who could never vote for a pro-choice candidate and the other one who thinks voting doesn’t matter and who believes abortion is a dead end issue. I suggest you pack up your things and the three of you can go on retreat together and work out your differences you have with one another.
Unfortunately though, even if not a complete waste of time, at least for now we may be stuck with your never-ending bloviations and strawmen.
“Obama sycophant” – LOL, coming from the most extreme, blind-sided supporter of republicans I’ve seen. You’d vote GOP even if they announced policies which had a big negative impact on you.
Ex-GOP is right, you’ll prevent more abortions by extinguishing womens need for abortion – perceived or otherwise – through better and more equitable social policies than you will by clinging pointlessly to mealy-mouthed republicans who will never manage to make it illegal. They just pander to you because they want your vote.