Are Christians really called not to judge the sin of abortion?
by Kelli
Martin Luther King, Jr. said, “The church must be reminded that it is not the master or the servant of the state, but the conscience of the state.” Serving as the conscience of the people has been one of the primary functions of the church since its conception.
Scripturally, we are commanded to differentiate between right and wrong, good and bad, truth and error, light and darkness. We are to judge according to the truth, especially pastors.
Regarding moral issues that destroy lives and dishonor God, we are to judge (“call into question”) behaviors, choices, and lifestyles that lead people in a dangerous direction, especially if these issues are to become social policy and legally sanctioned.
~ Shane Idleman, digging deeper into the meaning of “Judge not” from Matthew 7:1, “Homosexuality, Abortion, Carnality: Who Are You to Judge?”, Charisma News, April 17
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
Jesus told us not to judge the person. We do not know whether a person is going to be saved or condemned when he stands before the judgment of Christ. We don’t even know this about ourselves! — So how can we foresee the judgment of others?
But we are commissioned to know sin, and avoid it. We are challenged to “admonish the sinner” — which does not mean to heap judgment upon the sinner. It means that we must lovingly warn the sinner away from the sin.
But this is what the PC culture hates so much. They call it “shaming,” when we point out that the shameful thing has hurt the victim and will hurt others. They call us “bigots,” when we point out that the unnatural thing cannot be made natural.
And they hurl this verse at us, accusing us us “judging” them. This is the only Bible verse they know, and they do not understand it. We are not judging anyone. We are loving everyone, with the truth.
Well now I’m confused. Jesus promises that those who love and believe in him as the one true savior shall not perish. I sure hope I know about myself, based on that. :-/
That is true, but I am not a believer in once-saved, always-saved.
Every person can lose his/her faith and fall into sin. (Sin is that disobedience which separates us from Christ and His salvation.) And there are those people who tell themselves that they “believe in Christ” and “have accepted Him as Savior” — but then they volunteer as deathscorts at the abortuary. One has to wonder if they have ever met Christ at all yet.
So…. If you are confident in your relationship with Christ, then trust in your hope! But don’t forget, as Scripture also says, that we must “work out our salvation with fear and trembling.” We must keep up that ‘walk with Christ’ and avoid falling off that narrow path.
Christians aren’t meant to go around looking for certain sins to judge or not. Christians are meant to find lost souls and witness to them. The question is sort of weird – a person doesn’t need to be judged regarding abortion – a person needs to realize any sin is a sin, whatever it is, and if they are outside of a relationship with Christ, abortion or lying or adultery or whatever is all the same, and all need to be forgiven.
If people feel the need to ‘judge abortion’, they are missing the point.
No, lying is not the “same” sin as committing infanticide. Abortion is much darker and does greater damage to a soul and is harder to recover from spiritually.
Let’s get real.
Proverbs 31:6-7
truth
Can you biblically back that up? Specifically where you say it is harder to recover from spiritually.
There is no specific Biblical passage but I think it is common sense for anybody who understands what it means to sin.
Let me ask you, do you believe welcoming Satan into your life and committing child sacrifice in the devil’s honor would be no harder to recover from spiritually then lying to a friend about the size of a fish you caught on your last vacation?
truth –
Sorry – let me take it from a different view.
A non-Christian has fallen short of the glory of God – basic 101 that I believe we both agree with. The sin doesn’t matter at this point – what I mean by that is, the goal is to reconcile them to Christ because lying, abortion, murder, or gossip are all equal – the separation is there.
So if somebody who doesn’t know Christ is anywhere in society – whether it is gossip or abortion, the goal isn’t to judge them or get them to avoid that specific sin, the goal is to help lead them to a life with Christ.
So yes – abortion is worse than a lie – but for a non-believer, the goal isn’t to condemn any sin – they are all equal when separated from Christ.
One question I’ve always wanted to ask on a weekend question is (but it is too nuanced for Christians on the board) – Which would you pick – a woman goes to get an abortion, has an abortion, but through conversations afterwards comes to Christ – or a woman goes to get an abortion, gets talked out of it, but never comes to Christ?
“Sorry – let me take it from a different view.”
Sure, but first, did you just agree that some sins are harder to recover from spiritually than others?
Emotionally, yes.
In being forgiven, no.
“In being forgiven, no.”
Repeated sins and being around other sinners reduces your chances of being forgiven. The sinful behavior becomes ‘normal’ behavior and you lose the ability to recognize your conduct as being disordered and without recognition of the sin you will not repent and ask the Lord for forgiveness.
Abortion is one of those ‘repeated’ sins. A lot of people look to the legality of something in order to determine what is ok to do and wat is not ok to do. Since abortion is legal and commonplace it causes some in society to commit abortion without seeing/facing how disordered and sinful it is.
Completely UnBiblical positions.
My position is based on the reality that people are more likely to be ok with sin when other people (Like Democrats and support for abortion) around them are frequently committing the sin and normalizing it. What passage in the Bible did you find that states otherwise?
When people commit sin and the sin is ‘normalized’ by society (like the DNC platform seeking to keep abortion legal) then the people who commit the sin are less likely to be repentant.
“Completely UnBiblical positions.”
Repenting is a very Biblical part of forgiveness. You must have missed that part of the scriptures.
Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord”
Acts 3:19
The UnBiblical comment was regarding the ‘repeated sins reduces your chances of being forgiven”.
You should know that is BS – there’s no evidence of anybody repenting of their sins in the Bible and Jesus saying “you know what, you sinned too much”.
I’d really be careful going around and adding words that simply aren’t there in the Bible.
” there’s no evidence of anybody repenting of their sins in the Bible and Jesus saying “you know what, you sinned too much”
We agree on this point. No matter how great your sins if you repent of them in Jesus name your sins will be forgiven. Now if you can open your mind we can discuss the point I was making.
Would you agree that repenting from your sins is predicated on realizing that you are sinning?
You’re being a jerk again, so just about done with this conversation.
lol. I didn’t think we had started a conversation yet.
So in summary/recap, Christians are called to judge the sin of abortion and Democrats are called not to judge the sin of abortion.
truth – in recap – you both didn’t read, didn’t clarify, jumped to assumptions, and then made statements like “now if you can open your mind”.
Thus, it isn’t worth my time if you’re going to be like that.