Children are the future for… jihadists?
by Carder
I just saw a segment on TV about women who are going to ISIS held territory in order to become jihad “brides.” They are going freely. They are purposing to provide lots of jihad offspring for the future of the caliphate.
They are thinking long term. They intend to have lots of children for their future… projects.
Meanwhile, the wealthy, free West is contracepting and aborting its future into oblivion.
That got me thinking about the long term effects on our society of a) romantic “luv” and b) “no fault” divorce.
~ Father John Zuhlsdorf, Fr. Z’s Blog, May 26
May.27, 2015 6:00 am |
Contraception |
Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.
The future belongs to those who show up, whether you believe in being fruitful and multiplying or simple natural selection.
And God gives them up to their desires. That is mentioned in the Bible. Be careful of what you wish for!
They mean to wage Holy War (Jihad) against the Christian West, with Rome and America as their primary targets.
We need to pray and prepare for a Holy War (Crusade) to defend our very lives, just as Christian lives are already being lost to genocide by ISIS.
Most American Protestants and secularists are afraid of words like “Crusade.” Yet Christians are called to lay down our lives in defense of the innocent, and to defend our homes and families if we can. Occasionally, that means we must take up arms… although we never want to. Our natural inclination is for peace and even pacifism — as the Anabaptists (Amish) practice it.
But one way or the other, war is upon us. We can fight them over there, or we can wait and fight them here. Even a secularist can figure that out, without any prayer or desire for holiness.
Del said, “Most American Protestants and secularists are afraid of words like “Crusade””
I daresay Del, that a good number of Roman Catholics shy away from the word as well, despite the Church’s teaching on Just War.
Sad but true, Eric. “Most American Catholics” do not know their faith, and they are not inclined to obey it. The aging boomer Catholics are not much different from the dying denominations of liberal Protestants. If the Catholic Church were just another human institution, it would be dead and extinct soon.
But a quick glance at all the young Crusaders at the March For Life tells a very different story. Those courageous hearts would march to a Just War, if called upon, to save lives and restore peace.
How many of these women are forced, coerced, or otherwise have little to no choice?
I think this is probably one of the most ridiculous posts I’ve ever seen on this blog.
And people talking about “Holy Wars” make me exceedingly nervous. History has pretty definitively shown that it is a horrible idea.
Hi DLPL,
Not all of these women are coerced. They go of their own free will and some romantic mentality of being part of some great and holy movement.
Women have long been drawn to dangerous men. There were the “mobster molls”. My brother told me of how women stood in line to get into the most dangerous biker clubs in the city. It certainly wasn’t because these guys had a reputation for respecting women. Yet my brother said there was never any shortage of women trying to get in.
Big Joe told me of women drawn to the most dangerous and vile prisoners in the system. He could only shrug and say: “Mary, I gave up trying to understand these women a long ago. My brother said essentially the same thing.
To me its just history repeating itself.
I didn’t say none of them went of their own volition. I asked “how many”. Because under such an oppressive culture and violent regime it’s difficult to ascertain whether or not a woman has chosen to go of her own accord, or if her father sold her, or if her husband forced her to go, or if she was brainwashed by an entire lifetime of “you must do this”. It’s not all that different from male suicide bombers, some of which are children. Not everyone is making their own decisions, and many of those that do have been raised this way from childhood.
Hi DLPL,
I’m aware you didn’t say that. Many may be forced or taken captive, like the Nigerian schoolgirls were. Some go of their own volition.
There was the recent case of 3 schoolgirls from England who left home and joined ISIS, much to the anguish of their parents, who tried to stop them. Many of these girls and women are also lured on the internet.
Hi DLPL…. The jihadists insist that they are fighting a “holy war,” and there is certainly a spiritual component to their zeal.
We will not defeat them by waging an unholy war. When the inevitable military conflict comes, we need to support our soldiers with prayer and fasting. Which means we need to start praying and fasting for peace, perhaps to avoid the war.
But as far as history goes, the Holy Wars were far more beneficial than destructive. But the destructive ones were genuinely sinful, and they dominate our imagination.
But most people know nothing of history. When a person mentions that the Crusades were horrible, I ask them what was horrible about the Fourth Crusade — because it was horrible. I ask what was glorious about the the Holy League and the Battle of Lepanto — because it was a miracle.
I usually get blank stares. Most people know absolutely nothing about the Crusades…. they cannot name any persons, or dates, or places. They are just parrots… “Religion is the cause of all wars.” We demand that our own modern soldiers should be virtuous, yet we cannot imagine the Knights of St. John were virtuous.
Great answer, Del!
One faith claiming to lead the fight against another is a recipe for disaster.
What is required is people of all faiths and none to unite in actions on a number of levels to ensure the defeat of one group trying to rule all.
Reality: What is required is people of all faiths and none to unite in actions on a number of levels to ensure the defeat of one group trying to rule all.
Looking around at what’s going on now, I sure don’t see anything that’s as much of a problem as radical Islam. I don’t think the radical version can be reliably separated from the rest, most of the time, either – it’s usually an insular and opaque deal where we learn what’s been going on well after the fact.
I don’t think we disagree Doug. We just couched it in different terms.
Yeah, Reality, wasn’t disagreeing with you. : )
Yes, it is possible that I can say something without it being an argument. : P
Reality said, “What is required is people of all faiths and none to unite in actions on a number of levels to ensure the defeat of one group trying to rule all”
Reality, I think you and Doug have made some good points. I am curious, though, what you mean by “actions on a number of levels”? What different actions do you see will ensure followers of radical Islam will not subjugate Kafir (infidels)?
Del said, “But most people know nothing of history. When a person mentions that the Crusades were horrible…”
Very true Del. Ask them also how Europe and America would be different today if the Ottoman Turks had won the 1683 Battle of Vienna and if the Europeans’ response to war was “good” or “bad”.
Meanwhile, the wealthy, free West is contracepting and aborting its future into oblivion.
That got me thinking about the long term effects on our society of a) romantic “luv” and b) “no fault” divorce.
And yet, silly romantics who marry for “luv” are far more likely to produce offspring for the West than Father Z is.
“Women have long been drawn to dangerous men.”
Men have long been drawn to the taming abilities of some women.
Del, I don’t believe wars are ever “Holy”. They are either necessary (World War II) or unnecessary (Vietnam, imo). I don’t think anything that almost always involves civilian deaths and rampant war crimes can be considered holy, or righteous, really. And don’t forget that even in justified, necessary wars there are generally war crimes committed on both sides. The Allies did our fair share in World War II, for example, even though people focus on the Axis and the horrible things they did.
Like Reality and Doug were talking about, generally when people of faith begin killing each other for reasons of faith, it doesn’t turn out well. If a war is necessary, it’s because there is no other way to protect innocents and freedom. Radical Islam is extremely dangerous and needs to be combated, but it’s not because it’s a religion, it’s because it’s a nasty, violent ideology that’s causing tons of damage and seems to be spreading. And it’s not “Christian vs Islam”, it’s not a “Holy War” (at least, it shouldn’t be. It’s people who value freedom and human rights fighting against the antithesis of that.
And of course our soldiers should be held to high standards, and should be supported. I’m glad we live in the information era and get near immediate updates on many military interventions, I believe this will encourage at least Western military operations to act in moral ways and not commit war crimes.
“Men have long been drawn to the taming abilities of some women.”
And bad men have long been known to manipulate, coerce, brainwash, and abuse vulnerable people of both genders into acting against their own interests, like many of these women joining ISIS and young men and boys blowing themselves and innocents up. :(
Like, people in uneducated, poor, religiously oppressive environments literally have never known anything else. The boys in some areas are taught from birth that the most honorable way they can serve Allah is die and/or kill in his service and subjugate heretics and apostates, and taught that they are the boss of women and women and children who don’t act as they are told deserve abuse. Women are raised from birth to think they are lesser than men, their duty is to act a certain way and they only have themselves to blame if they get hurt for not following along with the culture. It’s just really bad, not exclusive to Islam but very common in poor Muslim-dominated countries.
And just so it’s clear I’m not solely picking on Islam, Christian-dominated countries that have similar human rights violations and oppressive cultures are just as bad. Uganda is a good example, and several South American countries. The ways people are brainwashed and abused may differ, but the culture influences on how badly people turn out is similar.
“And bad men have long been known to manipulate, coerce, brainwash, and abuse vulnerable people of both genders into acting against their own interests …”
And good men have long been known to step in.
Hi Prax 1:39PM
There is nothing “taming” about these women. They are treated like dirt, put on the street to sell both drugs and themselves, passed around, and abused. Yet there was never a shortage of women trying to get into the biker clubs. My brother said these clubs he had under suveillence were the worst of the worst, and that’s saying something.
Big Joe told me women were warned time and again not to communicate with convicts. Yet it never failed that the most vile and dangerous convicts would have women writing them love letters, or thinking they could “help” the convict, who was most likely taking them for everything they had. Ted Bundy and Richard Ramirez had their groupies.
And what would happen if these guys escaped or were let out on parole? The woman’s dead body would probably be pulled from a ditch.
As I said both my brother and Big Joe gave up trying to understand it a long time ago.
Eric TL: Reality, I think you and Doug have made some good points. I am curious, though, what you mean by “actions on a number of levels”? What different actions do you see will ensure followers of radical Islam will not subjugate Kafir (infidels)?
Eric, I do wonder where it’s all going.
I wonder how much of a constraint on the radicals are “non-radical muslims.”
As I understand it, Dearborn, Michigan now has a population that’s 30 to 40 percent Muslim. Last year, the Dearborn City Council became majority Arab-Americans. There are a huge number of signs, there, that are now in Arabic.
I generally do not go in for conspiracy theories nor the excessive pronouncements from fringe lunatics, on any fringe. I also think that things are rarely as bad, or as good, as they first appear, across a wide range of human situations.
What I do see is that there is usually pressure, within the Muslim community, toward things which our country, in the end, will not tolerate, and which we should probably, in my opinion, be taking steps to curtail.
There’s a range of mosques in the US that are more or less radical. Some, perhaps, are not radical at all. Some definitely are, like The Islamic Society of Boston – where the Tsarnaev brothers (of the Boston bombing) went – and which has many proven ties to terrorism.
The mosque’s founder, Abdurahman Alamoudi, got 23 years in prison, in 2004, for raising money for Al Qaeda and for plotting terrorism.
Other mosque officials have tried to send millions of Dollars to Palestinian suicide bombers, have been banned from the U.S. for issuing orders to kill U.S. soldiers, and, in the case of Aafia Siddiqui, “sentenced to 86 years in prison in 2010 for planning a New York chemical attack.”
So, there is no reasonable doubt, at all, that this mosque has an agenda against the U.S., against the west, and that it teaches people to attack and kill. And yet it seems like it’s “business as usual” for this mosque. I cannot but think that they are laughing at the American fools.
That mosque is certainly, at least for now, an extreme example within the U.S. However, for all Muslims, there is the duty of Jihad – to struggle and resist all who are non-Muslims, and to struggle and resist all policies and institutions that are non-Muslim. I have never seen any real renouncing of this, from any Muslim organization. I also think that if there was, severe action would be taken against them by the majority of Muslim organizations.
Seems to me that “we” (Americans) are letting it all slide, in the name of tolerance, multi-culturalism, religious freedom and Political Correctness.
Perhaps it is at least partly my own fears and lack of more concrete knowledge that is at work. Yet we do have examples of “home-grown terrorists” and Muslim leaders who are preaching not just “struggling and resisting,” but outright killing of non-Muslims and acts of terrorism, and they are at work right now, within the U.S.
It seems like the U.S. media cannot even bring itself to be truthful, here. Why are some people referred to as “religious extremists” even after being incontrovertibly involved in terrorism? Hey, they are terrorists, so let’s call them what they are.
As for the majority of U.S. Muslims, I think there is always pressure toward being more radical. Perhaps it is slight and subtle, or in some mosques it’s more active and virulent. Or, it may not matter – sometimes it only takes one mullah, speaking in private with one other person, to convince them that it is their “Islamic duty” to engage in outright terrorism.
This past week I heard a radio interview with the parent of one young person who had been persuaded to become a suicide bomber, and who fulfilled that mission. This is an isolated incident, to be sure, but it does not take many bombings to make real trouble.
The parent was no different than anybody else – they loved their son and was tremendously sad at what had happened. The son had fallen in with the wrong people at a mosque, and the first thing told to the son was that it was his Islamic duty to lie to his parents, to disguise what was happening.
I do wonder where it’s all going, where it will end up. I wonder how much stuff is being disguised right now. For sure, it’s not “nothing.”
Doug said, “I cannot but think that they are laughing at the American fools… Seems to me that “we” (Americans) are letting it all slide, in the name of tolerance, multi-culturalism, religious freedom and Political Correctness.”
Having been to Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Qatar, I believe you are correct. In my experience, many Muslims look at us — the “West” — as soft and weak, not really having any strong beliefs other than self-centeredness. They look at our low esteem for family, our divorce rates and the way men dishonor women sexually and how women dishonor men on sitcoms. To them, we are easy targets for feeling guilty and shame for our “Islamophobia,”, and they laugh how easy it is to use the media to suppress criticism of Islam or Sharia Law.
Some Coptic Christians with whom I worked nine years ago anticipated that radical Muslims, though greatly opposed to homosexuality and atheists, wouldn’t target them because homosexuals and atheists aren’t a threat to their belief system at this time; and to them, homosexuals and atheists would be “useful idiots” against Christians. That is, only Christians, even though they are People of the Book, would stand up to the expanse of Islam and Sharia Law, so radical Muslims do not hesitate to unite with left wing ideologists in this country to reduce the influence of Christianity.
It isn’t a hidden agenda or a conspiracy, but just a fact that, in the words attributed to Osama Bin Laden, “When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, they will naturally want to side with the strong horse. When people of the world look upon the confusion and atheism of the West, they see that Islam is the strong horse.”
Mary: There was the recent case of 3 schoolgirls from England who left home and joined ISIS, much to the anguish of their parents, who tried to stop them. Many of these girls and women are also lured on the internet.
Exactly right, Mary. Women are the best recruiters of other women, and they paint a picture of recruits “joining a sisterhood,” and “having a religious duty” to join, etc., and the appeal coming from other women often works better than if from a man.
The story quickly changes when they get “in country.” Their passports are normally confiscated, straight away, and they are required to have a man escort them, so travel becomes very difficult, and though many want to get out after seeing that the deal is nothing like what was promised/portrayed, they are stuck – usually married (forcibly, if necessary) quickly, and should the man die (which is by no means unusual, given their profession), the woman is expected to marry another quite soon.