Dr. Monica Miller, Director of Citizens for a Pro-Life Society, issued a statement today revealing newly discovered information that MI late-term abortionist Alberto Hodari, pictured left, was fined $10k four months ago for his role in the 2003 death of 32-year-old Regina Johnson.
Johnson died from complications after a first trimester abortion committed at Hodari's Womencare abortion mill in Lathrup Village....
Johnson died September 18 from "anoxic encephalopathy due to cardiac arrest." According to CPLS's statement:
In addition to Hodari and Nathanson, anesthesiologist Barry Thompson and the abortion clinic's nurse, Cathy Litchig were also implicated in Ms. Johnson's death.
The Attorney General's office... imposed the fine on Hodari March 4, 2009 - but the penalty only recently became publicly known. The complaint against Hodari found him guilty of "negligence," "incompetence" and lacking in "good moral character." Hodari paid the fine without contesting....
Nathanson submitted to retraining. Thompson and Litchig were both placed on probation for a period of time and also subjected to fines.
There was not that much more value placed on Johnson's life than late-term abortionists charge to kill almost full-term babies.
If Hodari's name sounds familiar, it's because only 16 months ago members of CPLS found multiple remains of aborted babies as well as hundreds of medical records of aborting mothers in 2 of Hodari's dumpsters.
For that, Hodari got a warning and is on probation.
In January 2008 Hodari garnered national attention for being caught on tape bragging during a lecture at Wayne State University in November 2007 that he didn't wash hands between patients and had a "license to lie."
The question now is, will they hold him responsible for the deaths of Tamiia Russell and Chivon Williams? Or will he get away with having sent them to their graves?Posted by: Christina at July 3, 2009 6:06 PM
He ought to have been stopped back in 1988 when he performed a forced abortion on Jennifer McCoy.
49 lawsuits against this creep and he continues to kill, both children & their mothers. Just how many women does an abortionist have to kill before he can no longer "practice medicine"?
For any of you who watched the Students for Life video of Hodari at Wayne State University, do you recall when he tells them women frequently deny their pregnancies, explaining that's why he has to do late-term abortions? He tells them about a case involving aborting professor from that very university who was 38 weeks pregnant--he even tells them she was in the English dept. So much for patient confidentiality! Kind of like the 200 records in the dumpsters along with the babies.
Is there any justice in this country? God help us.
Ten thousand dollars for a woman's life and not a single person will care. This is wrong...
People like Hodari make a living off of bigotry and violence; then there are people who work every single day of their life at a dead-end job just so that their children might have a start at a better life- or single mothers who work numerous jobs and still live paycheck to paycheck and then monsters like Hodaria- who openly brag about being legally allowed to lie because, after all, some people are more valuable than others- get to live a cushy life and be treated like a hero by others who are just as bigoted as he is.
:(Posted by: Vannah at July 3, 2009 6:18 PM
But wait. I thought abortion was a safe and harmless procedure?
Ick.Posted by: MaryRose at July 3, 2009 6:18 PM
$10,000. No jail time? Nothing?
In no other area of law could you get away with causing the death of a person and be fined such a ridiculous amount.
Is this what feminists believe is liberating? Are they so set are their ideology that they are ok with reducing the value of a woman's life to a mere $10,000?
This is so sad.Posted by: angel at July 3, 2009 6:29 PM
What is with these abortionist pigs? First Pendergraft, and now this discusting man? RJPosted by: RJ Sandefur at July 3, 2009 7:19 PM
Forget all of the things that are beyond obviously WRONG with this man to us pro lifers.... I am curious..
Wouldn't the fact that this man doesn't even wash his hands between patients horrify ANYONE who is pro choice and posts here?
I mean seriously... if ya cant be appalled by the death of a baby or a woman... what about the fact that you or your girlfriend, wife, sister, etc.. could be the next patient to be "cared for" without him even washing his hands?
The standards of care in the majority of abortion clinics, never seems to appall the choice crowd..as a feminist myself.. that alone would FREAK ME THE HECK OUT!!!!!!
Why is it that the bulk of pro choice feminists tolerate such as this?Posted by: angele at July 3, 2009 7:49 PM
I'd commented here before, but I'm still not seeing it here so I'll repeat:
This man ought to have been stopped back in 1988 when he performed a forced abortion on then 16-yr old Jennifer McCoy (I had a link, maybe that's why my comment got held, search her name + Hodari for the life news article). Many women and countless babies would have not met their end at his hands, but justice was not served for Jennifer or her child.
For those of you who saw the Students for Life video of Hodari speaking at Wayne State, do you recall when he tells the students he often sees women who deny their pregnancies, and that's why he must do late-term abortions? He goes on to tell how he aborted a professor from that very university who was 38 weeks pregnant. He even says it was a professor in the English dept. So much for patient confidentially, ey? Oh, wait, those 200 records found mixed in his dumpsters with the babies' remains kind of show how much he cares about that. This man is a true reject of medicine. It makes me wonder what bloody trail he left in his native Argentina to have left?Posted by: klynn73 at July 3, 2009 7:59 PM
"But wait. I thought abortion was a safe and harmless procedure?"
Abortion doctors are the only type of doctor who can get away with telling their patients that surgeryis safe and harmless. All doctors know that there are always risks with surgery, but the only risks that are relayed to the abortion patient are cramping and bleeding.
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"Wouldn't the fact that this man doesn't even wash his hands between patients horrify ANYONE who is pro choice and posts here?"
That's just disgusting.Posted by: Janet at July 3, 2009 7:59 PM
Jennifer McCoy's story, and the others Hodari's maimed and killed.Posted by: klynn73 at July 3, 2009 8:01 PM
Angele, You are right on as always. A guy who doesn't wosh his hands? lol He wouldn't be putting those claws on me! RJPosted by: RJ Sandefur at July 3, 2009 8:57 PM
Beyond disgusting. Sorry, Angele. Don't hold your breath that any PC will comment here about Hodari's lack of hand washing.
Happy Independence to all!!!Posted by: carla at July 3, 2009 9:40 PM
Agreed. Even plastic surgeons admit to the potential risks of the procedures they perform. But abortionists are able to tout the procedure as harmless. Really? Harmless? Really?
I don't think so many Americans are going to be buying this as time goes on.Posted by: MaryRose at July 4, 2009 1:44 AM
Prochoicers are not disturbed that this "doctor" doesn't wash his hands?Posted by: Louise at July 4, 2009 7:12 AM
I'd like to hear feedback from the pro-choicers here, what they think of this?Posted by: Rachael C. at July 4, 2009 8:21 AM
Rachael C, I suspect that most pro-choicers will pretend this never happened. It's so embarrassingly back-alley-with-a-coat-hanger-ish.Posted by: Lori at July 4, 2009 8:49 AM
Agreed. Even plastic surgeons admit to the potential risks of the procedures they perform. But abortionists are able to tout the procedure as harmless. Really? Harmless? Really?
Every woman I know who has ever been to an abortion clinic after 1995 or so -- myself included -- has had to read over and sign a full list of possible complications. Nurse asks if there are questions about any of the risks. I asked a couple. Was given a list of symptoms to watch for in the days immediately following, with those specific risks in mind -- fever, vomiting, excessive bleeding beyond a certain amount, etc.Posted by: Alexandra at July 4, 2009 9:35 AM
Posted by: Alexandra at July 4, 2009 9:35 AM
Alexandra - I never realized you're post-abortive.
I'm sorry for the loss of your child.
Thanks, Chris. The situation was complicated and it was some time ago. It has never brought me much grief, but I do appreciate your thoughts.Posted by: Alexandra at July 4, 2009 11:10 AM
I am George Tiller by Joseph Stalin
The barbarians become increasingly emboldened everytime they evade justice.
Their quisling apologists and enablers squirm in unfettered delight, almost to the point of incontinence, when their champions of 'choice' triumpantly parade about displaying and celebrating their wickedness.
"But these [people]! Like unreasoning beasts, mere creatures of instinct, born [only] to be captured and destroyed, railing at things of which they are ignorant, they shall utterly perish in their [own] corruption [in their destroying they shall surely be destroyed],
being destined to receive [punishment as] the reward of [their] unrighteousness [suffering wrong as the hire for their wrongdoing].
They count it a delight to revel in the daytime [living luxuriously and delicately].
They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions and carousing together [even] as they feast with you.
They have eyes full of harlotry, insatiable for sin.
They beguile and bait and lure away unstable souls.
Their hearts are trained in covetousness (lust, greed), [they are] children of a curse [exposed to cursing]!"
George Tiller was the son of an murderer and he knowingly and willing embraced the legacy of his father and as a result inherited the curse of bloodguiltiness and increased the iniquity that has settled upon the household of Tiller like the darkness that shrouded his soul.
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Hey, folks -- I know Hodari was a NAF member, but they no longer list Womancare on the site. Through the Internet Archive I was able to verify that he was a member as early as 2004 and as recently as 2007.
Jill, did you take a screen capture more recently than 2007? And does anybody have verification that he was already a member when he let his staff kill Regina Johnson?Posted by: Christina at July 4, 2009 4:02 PM
Alexandra--are you pro-choice?Posted by: Abel at July 4, 2009 7:41 PM
Were the risks death, infertility, uterine tears, bleeding out, sepsis, depression, alcoholism, drug abuse, suicidal thoughts, suicide attempts, nightmares, anxiety, miscarriage, premature birth of subsequent children, or trouble bonding with subsequent children? Were any of these risks listed and/or explained to you?
My abortion was 1990. I did not read a list of any of the above.Posted by: carla at July 5, 2009 7:05 PM
Carla, the risks were a lot of those things. I don't remember them exactly since it was a few years ago, but bleeding, incomplete abortion, sepsis, etc were definitely on it (along with likelihood). There was a section on emotional reactions, and though it did say that most women report feeling relieved after an abortion, it said that if you felt ambivalent or conflicted about your decision then you were especially at risk for these emotions.
Some of the things on your list were definitely not on theirs (trouble bonding with subsequent children?) mostly because they are not proven to be risks, are correlative, etc.
If abortion is wrong then it's wrong on its own merits. Claiming that abortion clinics are exempt from obtaining patient consent before the surgery accomplishes little, because I would put money on the fact that by far most abortion clinics today make patients aware of these risks. If you say, "They don't even tell women the risks!" and the woman you're speaking to knows full well, from her own personal experience, that they do, then that's one less reason for her to listen to your pro-life point of view. Inaccurate claims like this made it very difficult for me to listen to anyone in the pro-life movement for quite some time.Posted by: Alexandra at July 6, 2009 5:49 AM
This is the first time we have ever talked about this Alexandra. That is why I am asking.
It is one thing to explain risks to a woman and look into her eyes and see her nod in understanding and allow her time to process and ask questions, it is quite another to hand her a list and have her sign it.
I don't know what all abortion clinics do, that is why we are talking about it.Posted by: carla at July 6, 2009 8:23 AM
I agree that different venues probably have varying degrees of involvement when it comes to conveying the risks -- not just restricted to abortion on this one. When I had my wisdom teeth removed I was basically given a list, and made to watch a video (with awesome 80's hair and clothes in it! highlight of that day, for sure). I'm extremely averse to the idea of being "put under" for minor surgery, but my jaw is apparently a strange shape (I have heard this several times) and the doctor wouldn't do the operation if I was awake/conscious -- so you better believe I asked a ton of questions about the risks involved in that kind of anesthesia. He answered them, but if I hadn't asked then it would have just been the list/video for information. I still cried buckets, though, because I was seriously scared.
I had roughly the same experience at the abortion clinic I went to -- they gave me information, I read it, I asked my questions. It was not too different from the experience my mom had at a large hospital when she had surgery. Compassion in medical care varies so widely.
Of course, as you know I'm a closet hippie, and I do wish that our medical system was structured in such a way that social, behavioral, or holistic approaches to medical situations were more fully embraced, across the board, as semi-focal points of medical care rather than as "something nice" or "extra" that a doctor can do for his patients.Posted by: Alexandra at July 6, 2009 9:08 AM
" If you say, "They don't even tell women the risks!" and the woman you're speaking to knows full well, from her own personal experience, that they do, then that's one less reason for her to listen to your pro-life point of view. Inaccurate claims like this made it very difficult for me to listen to anyone in the pro-life movement for quite some time."
The fact that many women do not know the psychological and physical risks of abortion and are not told the truth by abortion providers is a big deal and shouldn't be minimalized because some clinics do give someone a "list". If a woman has experienced abortion with no regrets, odds are she's not open to believing any part of the pro-life message (I wouldn't call it a "point of view" - we're talking facts not opinions.) . She's not the type of person who would care about the risks of abortion. She wants the baby gone. Dead. Period. Not all women feel that way and want to know the WHOLE TRUTH.Posted by: Janet at July 6, 2009 11:08 AM
I often wonder if the risks to the baby are also covered.
Did Angele know the risk of delivering her baby alive into a toilet and screaming for help that never came? Did Sycloria know that her child might be born alive into a recliner and placed into a bio hazard bag with bleach and thrown on the roof of the mill? Did Laura Hope Smith know she might die?
Are we fighting? :P It would be our first.
I know the abortuaries where I live "comply" with our state's Women's Right to Know Law by saying, over the phone, "You don't have to listen, but I have to tell you..." I imagine the risks are presented in much the same way. Former abortionists admit that the paperwork given their clients is composed of deliberating confusing legalese and it's pretty easy for the average woman to not fully comprehend medical terminology, particularly if she's got a "just get it over with" mindset. I wonder, Alexandra, how much your reaction, or lack thereof, to your own abortion has to do with your belief that you were going to miscarry anyway. Have you ever asked yourself if that was actually true? If a second (or third) opinion wasn't in order? I ask because, like it or not, health care providers can have their own personal agendas, even if they are not aware of that influence in their decision-making.
Posted by: klynn73 at July 6, 2009 12:35 PM
The fact that many women do not know the psychological and physical risks of abortion and are not told the truth by abortion providers is a big deal and shouldn't be minimalized because some clinics do give someone a "list".
Janet, my point is that I have never heard of any woman going to a clinic in this day and age who WAS NOT informed of the risks. I have known women who just signed the consent form without really reading it, which is a separate problem than not being given the information at all. If any clinic is operating without providing information about the risks then that IS a problem -- but people here are claiming that abortion clinics "only relay" information about bleeding and cramping. That is not true.
If a woman has experienced abortion with no regrets, odds are she's not open to believing any part of the pro-life message.
Well I'm going to have to disagree with you there. But even women who are emotionally upset about their abortions but are not fully pro-life are less likely to believe a movement which claims that abortion clinics don't tell women of the risks of abortion, when those women know that's not the case.
Carla, I hope not. I see no reason to fight over this.Posted by: Alexandra at July 6, 2009 12:40 PM
I wonder, Alexandra, how much your reaction, or lack thereof, to your own abortion has to do with your belief that you were going to miscarry anyway. Have you ever asked yourself if that was actually true?
Yes, I have. I don't think that a second opinion was necessary because it was facts, not interpretations of them, that I was dealing with. Declining hormone levels which should have been rising rapdily, etc.
I don't know that much of my reaction has depended on the circumstances. Of course, we don't make laws based solely on how people react to things, so my reaction is ultimately unimportant.Posted by: Alexandra at July 6, 2009 12:45 PM
Alexandra, there is a discussion thread on the PASS Support Site message boards by women, discussing the counseling they received from the clinic prior to their abortion(s). There were women who felt they received adequite counseling and support, but a large number of women said they didn't receive information on the procedure, risks, or alternatives, nor did they receive adequite counseling or support.Posted by: Rachael C. at July 8, 2009 8:06 AM
So when we tell you this, we are not just making up a lie, we're listening to women who've experienced abortion and this is what they're telling us.Posted by: Rachael C. at July 8, 2009 8:12 AM
And it's worth mentioning that the PASS Support Site holds a policy of political neutrality and welcomes women regardless of their abortion experience or beliefs.Posted by: Rachael C. at July 8, 2009 8:18 AM