I've read that prison inmates have their own justice system. For instance, child molesters don't fare well behind bars.
Apparently, even criminals consider abortionists scumbags.
British abortionist Edward Erin was found guilty last month of twice attempting to spike his pregnant mistress's drink with an unnamed poison "to induce an abortion."
A November 3 BBC article spends most its time on Erin's pining wife Lorwi, who disbelieves the incidents ever happened and understands her husband has "had [3 known] affairs as a 'distraction' from problems in his personal life, including a number of deaths in his family." And including a number of deaths he has caused.
Lorwi is listed as a "Dr." also. Wonder if she's likewise an abortionist?
Whatever, my eye caught the last lines of the piece:
Dr Erin said her husband was "not being treated well" by other prisoners while in custody.
"He is being called a child murderer," she said. "He is a state of complete distress - I don't know how he is going to get through this to be honest."
Poor thing. The article doesn't say how much time Erin will serve. Not enough.
Meanwhile, there is a happy ending:
Miss Prowse gave birth to a healthy baby in September 2008.
[Photos via the BBC]
Thank Jesus the child's father will not be around to further endanger him/her. Will be praying for that child.Posted by: Jocelyn at November 4, 2009 10:29 AM
Posted by: Mary
at November 4, 2009 10:30 AM
Its always very reassuring when even convicts have standards. What I find troubling is their standards are higher than those of "straight" society.
Convicts are people, too. They understand how things work, often better than anyone else.
Anyways, my heart just broke for his wife. Why does she not feel that she deserves a loyal husband? Stress or no stress, people should not treat each other like that. It only makes things worse and I was saddened to read that she didn't mind him disrespecting her like that. :(Posted by: Vannah at November 4, 2009 10:39 AM
If I were dating an abortionist who wanted my baby dead, I certainly would not drink anything he gave me!
I'm glad the mother and baby are alright.Posted by: Lauren at November 4, 2009 10:45 AM
OMG, what is wrong with these women like this creep's wife, who stick by these no good men? I like Jenny Sanford, wife of South Carolina's philadering governor. She kicked him to the curb -- go Jenny!
Stick by your man -- uh, no!Posted by: Phillymiss at November 4, 2009 11:31 AM
I am opposed to all violence that takes place within prisons. When someone goes to jail, his/her punishment is the incarceration. There aren't supposed to be any vigilante-style "bonus" punishments taking place, including assault and rape.
I would believe this even if everyone in prison were innocent; with so many men jailed for rapes they didn't commit (for example), I especially don't want to see fellow prisoners taking things into their own hands.Posted by: bmmg39 at November 4, 2009 12:18 PM
I don't condone the violence/harsh conditions hin the prisons...BUT isn't that what deters you from not committing a crime??
If you don't want to do the time, then don't do the crime. Whatever happened to personal responsibility?
Even among prisoners, child molesters/ child murderers and abortionists are looked down upon...makes one think, why would anyone look up to them and honor them???Posted by: RSD at November 4, 2009 12:46 PM
Confined to a very small place in close proximity to peopel who do not like you, who do not want you, some who even want you dead.
What a cosmic combination of poetic justice and bitter irony.
'Now I lay me down to sleep...'
Hush little baby don't you cry!
But there is no rest, no peace and no joy for the wicked.
yor bro kenPosted by: kbhvac at November 4, 2009 1:53 PM
Posted by: RSD at November 4, 2009 12:46 PM
..."abortionists are looked down upon...makes one think, why would anyone look up to them and honor them???"
short answer: Humans are stupid!
Good news: God can fix stupid.
yor bro kenPosted by: kbhvac at November 4, 2009 1:55 PM
"Apparently, even criminals consider abortionists scumbags."
I think what the other criminals thought was scumbaggy was that he did this without the woman's consent. Remember, if the child is wanted by the pregnant mother, it's not okay to kill it.Posted by: Hal at November 4, 2009 2:01 PM
Posted by: bmmg39 at November 4, 2009 12:18 PM
"I am opposed to all violence that takes place within prisons."
..."with so many men jailed for rapes they didn't commit (for example), I especially don't want to see fellow prisoners taking things into their own hands."
Are you just opposed to violence in prisons or violence in general?
I am sure the abortionist, now a prisoner, would not be opposed to violence if were being applied to rescure him from someone who was intent on injuring or killing him.
Don't you see the irony of an abortionist, who has been 'taking matters into his own hands' for quite a while and violently attacking his helpless victimes, being subjected to the probability that someone more powerful than him might implement the same strategy.
While I agree that it is a tragedy that some men have been convicted and imprisoned for rapes they did not comit, I am grieved even more by the violence done to the pre-natal children who are conceived as a result of rape.
There is a thing called karma/what goes around comes around/reaping what you sow/law of reciprocity.
I once saw a house cat sneaking up on a sparrow with nothing but thoughts of a tasty snack in it's feline brain when out of the blue an eagle, with the same thoughts of a tasty snack swooped down and carried the cat away.
I never cared much for cats anyway.
They are not some of God's better work.
Unfortunately, there are no shortages of cats to take that ones place.
yor bro kenPosted by: kbhvac at November 4, 2009 2:18 PM
Ken: Aww. I happen to adore cats. They're my favorite animals. :(
Hal: Thank you for your continued displays of inhumanity. When you dress up in your suit and tie, are you a man wearing a monster's suit, or a monster wearing a man's suit?Posted by: xalisae at November 4, 2009 2:29 PM
RSD: "I don't condone the violence/harsh conditions hin the prisons...BUT isn't that what deters you from not committing a crime??"
No, the incarceration is supposed to be the deterrent. We aren't supposed to have a wink/nudge system of sending people into a cell to be raped or beaten within an inch of their lives.Posted by: bmmg39 at November 4, 2009 2:36 PM
Hal, even if the child is unwanted it's not OK to kill it.Posted by: Mike at November 4, 2009 2:59 PM
kbhvac: "Are you just opposed to violence in prisons or violence in general?"
In general. I spoke specifically to stick to the topic at hand.
"Don't you see the irony of an abortionist, who has been 'taking matters into his own hands' for quite a while and violently attacking his helpless victimes, being subjected to the probability that someone more powerful than him might implement the same strategy."
Of course, just as I see the same irony with another violent prisoner. There's a clear distinction, however, between grasping the inherent irony and supporting the act.
"There is a thing called karma/what goes around comes around/reaping what you sow/law of reciprocity."
And if you didn't do the crime to begin with, it ain't karma.Posted by: bmmg39 at November 4, 2009 3:01 PM
If you believe in karma (which I do not) you would not be in prison if you were not guilty, at least in some former life.
My official criminal record consists of a few misdemeanors, but I have had the opportunity of spending a few days in jail with some of society's less savory characters.
There was not one person in jail with me, with whom I interacted or I observed who was innocent or not guilty, including myself.
As a former drug dealer, rapist, thief and murderer who was never caught nor convicted I can assert with some experience and certainty that there are few if any innocent people in jail.
I am equally sure there are a few people who have been convicted and imprisoned, even executed, for crimes they did not commit. But few of these people were truly innocent of prior criminal acts.
Circumstances may have conspired against a few of them which confronted them with choices which they might not ever have otherwise considered, but in the end they made a choice and choices have consequences.
Contrary to liberal legend and urban myth, law enforcement officers do not randomly round up law abiding citizens for for line ups. They ususally select people who are already in custody for comitting some other crime.
This why the police are routinely collecting DNA samples from people who are already in their custody.
It is also one reason why men who have been wrongfully convicted are being set free.
Eventually the real rapists finds his way into the system and his DNA sample is compared to the existing data base and what do you know, he is match for some other crime for which he was never apprehended or charged or someone else was convicted.
There are few truly innocent men in prison and there are even fewer saints.
The few who are innocent and in prison probably ended up there by hanging out with folks that they knew were bad news.
That is not guilt by association, but getting fleas from the dogs with whom you lie.
yor bro kenPosted by: kbhvac at November 4, 2009 4:34 PM
Posted by: xalisae at November 4, 2009 2:29 PM
I was just stirring the pot to see what would float to the top.
We once had a cat.
She was a great mouser and preferred being out doors which suited me just fine.
If they can't be trained to flush the comode that is where they belong.
The law of the juntle overtook her and I believe she fell prey to a coyote or an owl.
That was OK. She did her fair share of being the predator. She loved to show off her handiwork. She would leave the bodies of her victims lined up neatly in a row on our front steps.
That is the way things go in the real animal world.
yor bro kenPosted by: kbhvac at November 4, 2009 4:43 PM
Wait a sec, is he actually being abused?
Because while I'm aware that there is a great deal of violence that occurs within prison, I'm a little confused. The article only mentions that he's being called a child murderer. Go figure, since he is.
Now, if he's the victim of violence, well, that's unfortunate, but that's part of the deterring feature of prison. I mean, yes, it's important to protect the inmates where possible, but I certainly hope that no one would suggest special treatment of the abortionist because of the sensationalism surrounding his conviction. Everyone gets monitored equally, that's how it works.
And seriously, his wife could accept that he made a career off of abortion, that he was a cheater, that he knocked the woman up, but not that he tried to induce an abortion? REALLY? REALLY?Posted by: MaryRose at November 4, 2009 7:17 PM
I just read the Saudi Arabians were going to behead a multiple child rapist-murderer then string his body up for public display.
Right on!!Posted by: Mary at November 4, 2009 7:36 PM
If they can't be trained to flush the comode that is where they belong.
yor bro ken
Posted by: kbhvac at November 4, 2009 4:43 PM
Ah, be careful what you wish for. Nowadays they actually have training kits to get your cat to use the toilet. ;-)
Mine remain outside using the facilities that come most naturally to them.Posted by: MaryRose at November 4, 2009 9:51 PM
kbhvac: "It is also one reason why men who have been wrongfully convicted are being set free."
SET free. As in: wrongly incarcerated for six years, or eleven years, or twenty-three years, before being SET free by DNA evidence. And what happened to them behind bars while they were in those cells? Ask the Innocence Project how many of these cases they've seen.
"Eventually the real rapists finds his way into the system and his DNA sample is compared to the existing data base and what do you know, he is match for some other crime for which he was never apprehended or charged or someone else was convicted."
And how about when no rape took place, when a consensual act is later described as rape so that the accuser can extort for money, or exact revenge, or stay out of trouble (such as the occasional stories of someone having an affair who later called it rape, or of a girl accusing a homeless man of rape to avoid getting in trouble for playing hooky)? It's despicable, but it happens, and it can ruin lives...all while doing so on the backs of those who've REALLY been abused, raped, and assaulted, similar to the Louisianan who lives in a pristine mansion but crawls around New Orleans in shabby clothes, claiming to have lost everything in Katrina.
If the Duke lacrosse players couldn't afford decent representation, would they have been (rightly) found "not guilty"?Posted by: bmmg39 at November 4, 2009 11:13 PM
"Remember, if the child is wanted by the pregnant mother, it's not okay to kill it."
How in the !@#$ are you ok with that? Your reasoning for supporting abortion baffles me more than anyone else here. Those that deny that the unborn are human, I can understand how they're able to support abortion. Those that think being born poor or disabled is worse than being born at all, I can understand - it's classism, bigotry and misguided compassion, but I understand it. At least these types of arguments attempt to sound ethical or considerate.
But you acknowledge the humanity of the unborn, and you don't offer extreme circumstances (poverty, rape, maternal/fetal illness) as reasons to abort. Your argument usually seems to be that abortion is fine because sex without the possibility of babies is important, so what's the big deal with deleting itty bitty humans that get in the way of that goal? I cannot understand how you find this acceptable.Posted by: Janette at November 6, 2009 12:13 PM
Ok say what you want theres always two sides to eevery story nothing worse than a womans scorn...they will resort to anything for sure eh had a motive but she also had from what i understand she could get hold of the drugs found in her coffe'e tea..she ..stand back for a while
look what she had to loose.. he was not gpoing to leave his wife she was going to loose an income for sure so.... she made most of it up yes he was a git loads of woman but the dose not make him a killer any way he did not kill anyone i think the police .. got a statement from her put it to him .. she gets all the sympathy for sure she wa also after him leaving his wife.. motive for her was she was all pissed off at him so he had to go.. and she did just that...