Relevant magazine must certainly be enjoying its 15 minutes. The backlash continues re: statements Obama made in a July 1 interview with the liberal Christian publication. I've previously dissected his "mental distress" and "Born Alive" comments, but Obama touched on 2 other topics that has pro-aborts fuming: partial birth abortion and abstinence education. On pba he said:
I have repeatedly said that I think it's entirely appropriate for states to restrict or even prohibit late-term abortions as long as there is a strict, well-defined exception for the health of the mother.
Obama must have repeatedly said that only to the pandering pro-abort in the mirror, because stalwarts were taken aback. They considered Obama's comment a direct assault on partial birth abortion.
Former Planned Parenthood CEO Gloria Feldt published a piece July 9 and 10 in both the Huffington Post and RH Reality Check explaining why she dissed a July 9 NY funder for Obama and voided her $4,600 donation check...
... So, despite my still-raw feelings about Hillary's concession, I was prepared to go forward this week and commit full support to Obama.
Then the danger signs started....
During the last two weeks, the thunderclouds of doubt have gathered ever more ominously until they cast Obama's character into serious question....
By the time he started parsing what reasons for abortion the law may deem acceptable or not... and sounding for all the world like he was withdrawing his long held opposition to the federal abortion ban, I was seriously questioning whether this man would have the necessary mettle to withstand any challenges at all. Or worse, is he just another politician swaying with the winds and running for cover at the hint of a little thunder?
He'd obviously allowed the anti-choice misstatement of the abortion ban's provisions to frame his answer, when any lawyer ought to know that buying into your adversary's argument is guaranteed to doom your own....
"Federal abortion ban" is what pro-aborts call the Partial Birth Abortion Ban, btw. This seems like a good time for a commercial break:
Back to our story, reported The Politico yesterday:
For the past week, some activists in the abortion rights community have been trying to figure out why Barack Obama, a Democrat praised for his strong defense of reproductive rights, appeared to be turning soft.
Those who work on the front lines of the abortion debate couldn't quite believe what they were hearing: Obama, in an interview with a Christian magazine, seemed to reject a mental health exception to the ban on late-term abortions. They feared that Obama, like Democrat John Kerry in 2004, was adopting a view favored by abortion opponents to appeal to conservatives.
After days of examining his initial comments and a subsequent clarification that he supports a mental health exception - as long as the woman suffers a diagnosed illness and is not just "feeling blue" - some activists are satisfied, while others are far from it or just plain confused....
"The e-mails were just going back and forth," said Eleanor Smeal, president of the Feminist Majority Foundation....
The reaction to Obama's statement revealed a divide in the abortion rights community, one that closely tracks the allegiances formed during the Democratic Party's protracted primary election fight. While NOW and the Feminist Majority voiced concern over Obama's abortion remarks, two of the largest organizations dedicated to reproductive rights took a different tack and backed up Obama.
Last paragraph, interesting. And pro-aborts need not worry about Obama. He may talk soft but will never actually go soft. He takes Viabortionagra every day.
It was Obama's comment on abstinence in Relevant that was "the last straw" for Feldt, "when he gratuitously offered up language coded to out-triangulate any triangulating he had ever accused Hillary of doing":
So, if we are continuing what has been a promising trend in the reduction of teen pregnancies, through education and abstinence education giving good information to teenagers. That is important-emphasizing the sacredness of sexual behavior to our children. I think that's something that we can encourage.
Note Obama didn't say the word "sex" before the first "education." And I know what he really meant in terms of future policy. He'll continue to support comprehensive sex ed that he'll tout as also teaching abstinence. But the other side didn't even like Obama even inferring there was any value to abstinence education.
[Top graphic courtesy of Stanek commenter Cranky Catholic]
The thing I find interesting about this whole situation is the fact that pro-choicers are *always* saying that *no* woman has a late term abortion for friviouls reasons.
If this is the case, they shouldn't bat an eye at a well defined mental health exception. Instead, they're bemouning the fact that never before has a woman had to demonstrate true emotional distress. If they are worried about changing this status quo, they are admitting that there are some women who would be denied a late term abortion based on the fact that they don't have a *true* medical/mental issue, but rather simply do not want to be pregnant.
Not such an easy line to sell.Posted by: Lauren at July 11, 2008 11:20 AM
"After days of examining his initial comments and a subsequent clarification that he supports a mental health exception - as long as the woman suffers a diagnosed illness and is not just "feeling blue" - some activists are satisfied, while others are far from it or just plain confused...."
Color me "satisfied." I don't bat aneye at a well defined mental health exception.Posted by: Hal at July 11, 2008 11:47 AM
Obama is where many pro-choice people are- willing to limit late term abortions except where there are real medical reasons, and who recognize abstinance as "fail safe".
If the extremists on both sides would give some ground, a reasonable compromise could be reached on abortion.
Since McCain has been forced to the other extreme, obviouly the pro-choice vote goes to Obama, even if the pro-choice extremists aren't happy.
See, here's the thing LTL. There is no compromise when it comes to killing another person. There just isn't. It's not just another issue for those committed to the pro-life cause, it's murder.
Now, that doesn't mean that we won't work to try to limit abortion when an all out ban isn't possible, but we will always be working for full protection for the unborn.Posted by: Lauren at July 11, 2008 11:55 AM
A transcript of my recent phone coversation will Jill:
Me: Hey Jill, give Barack a break will you please?
Jill: Why should I?
Me: Since he's got no experience, he's simply evolving his views as time goes on. Liberals understand this, why can't you?
Me: What did you say? He's got no bicycles? He's not a principal? Look we've got a bad connection here.
Jill: crackling sound....
Me: Jill, did you notice in recent shots of him on CNN, that right index finger that appears to be perpetutally wet and a much, much longer nose.......and....that aversion to babies.....
Jill: Saw it..
Me: I mean Hillary's back side got much, much wider during the primary, but Obama, definitely the schnoz.
Jill: Saw that too.
Me: Look, do ya think, when Barack is Prez and he get's the call that LA and Israel were simulataneoulsy nuked and Fox news attributes it to his policy of appeasement and retrenchment speech he made in Geneva, we'll then see how the school boy will perform? I mean, I'll love the shots that shows those big wet circles on the front and back of his trousers. And the puke scene, CNN will say that really shows how much he cares. What da ya think?
Jill: (Uncontrollable laughter heard..) He was never tested in battle or a prisoner of war. How can we expect him to react? I mean he thinks babies are punishemnts from God, that born alive babies targeted for abortion can be left for dead in soiled utilty rooms and that Iran is just a tiny little country that exports saffron and flavored pistachios.....(inaudible).
Me: What, he's not a seasoned combat veteran? He's got no readership skills? What? He's got no what? Did you say Stallonies? He's a what? Did you say wussy? Jill, did you really say that? He does what to babies? Did you say remember or distemper?
Jill: You heard me, get the condoms out of your ears.
Me: Jill, this is HisMan not George Stephanopolus.
Jill: click....Posted by: HisMan at July 11, 2008 12:26 PM
If you had any principles whatsoever, you would understand the basic principle that victory only comes by the absolute and total defeat of your enemy, i.e., the total defeat of Germany and Japan in WWII.
The enemy is abortion and those that support and perform it.
There is no compromise on abortion, only a 100% total victory that comes when Roe v. Wade is overturned and it will be overturned.Posted by: HisMan at July 11, 2008 12:32 PM
"Crazy, I'm crazy for being so lonely..."
See prior thread for context.Posted by: LTL at July 11, 2008 12:33 PM
LTL, suspend your disbelief for a moment, and put yourself in the shoes of a pro-lifer.
Assume for a moment that life *does* begin at conception and that people *are* being killed based solely on the fact of their location.
Can you see how someone who is pro-life could never compromise on this issue?
We don't believe that abortion kills a "sort-of" person or a "potential" person, we believe that it kills a person. Period.Posted by: Lauren at July 11, 2008 12:42 PM
What every pro-lifer has to learn is that pro-aborts need health exceptions written into "pro-life" abortion-ban laws, such as the case in South Dakota. This is the wedge that permits abortion-on-demand. And you don't see the SD pro-aborts showing a whole lot of concern this time 'round either.
If pro-lifers are going to get abortion bans passed in their state, do it without exceptions. Planned Parenthood will be hard pressed to present a suit before the court from a mother whose physical health was damaged because she was refused an late-term, child-ripping abortion.
Pro-aborts can't afford to have Obama messing with that wedge. They'll lose the right for a cheerleader to have her child destroyed because if she can't fit into her uniform her teammates will kick her off the team. And that's mentally distressing for a teenager, now, isn't it?Posted by: Cranky Catholic at July 11, 2008 12:59 PM
You are in a fantasy land of your own creation....
First you think us pro-lifers will compromise on the abortion issue and you think I'm lonely.
Lonely, how could I ever be? I have the savior of the Universe dwelling in my heart.
Also, I'm a multi-tasker. You see, between blogging I'm working on a multi-million dollar construction defect investigation report and a Phase 1 Environmental report, and that while getting ready to meet my 5 children in Utah for my son's wedding and then a family trip to Yellowstone, whitewater rafting down the Snake River, and my 6th trek down the Grand Canyon with my 12 year old son. In fact, a very probable candidate for John McCain's vacated office or Jon Kyl's office will be attending the wedding as well. Lonely, me doth suffer your fancy.
So LTL, you need to stop sucking on those Gummy Bears laced with LSD or just stop taking so many ibuprofen. Don't worry, Jesus is coming back and Christinas win.
By the way, what does LTL stand for, left to lie or leans to left?Posted by: HisMan at July 11, 2008 1:00 PM
HIsman, the operative word in the song lyric was not "lonely"Posted by: LTL at July 11, 2008 1:47 PM
Oh, so you're an English Major. Are you a contitution bashing member of the NEA and ACLU supporter as well?
No I'm not crazy for being lonely, I'm crazy for having to share the air I breathe with pro-aborts.
C'mon, what's LTL? Lesbian to Lesbian? Led to Lie? Liberal Too Late? You're driving me crazy with the suspense.
And yes, LTL, if I'm crazy, Jesus will heal that as well.
Good luck, Jesus, you have your work cut out for you...Posted by: LTL at July 11, 2008 2:20 PM
HisMan...remember what you told me, my friend..that goes for LTL and every other pro-abort here...Posted by: RSD at July 11, 2008 2:54 PM
I know, it's so difficult, espcailly when a mind numbed pro-abort calls me crazy using Wille Nelson as the back drop.
Since you seem to be a Bible illiterate let me give you a clue: Jesus said, "It is finished", i.e, the IT was the work of salvation for every one that believes.
You still haven't asnswer my question. Does LTL mean Living to Lie?Posted by: HisMan at July 11, 2008 3:01 PM
Yeah, HisMan...I know what you mean, i struggle veryday, too...I chalk it up to "redemptive suffering" and offer it up for the unborn that will die today.
People should understand that for Abortion, there's no such thing as a "compromise". Either you are for it or against it.Posted by: RSD at July 11, 2008 3:07 PM
Let me remind you ELTEEEL about what you said:
"If the extremists on both sides would give some ground, a reasonable compromise could be reached on abortion."
In case you don't get it, there's no reasonable compromising on abortion, no room for political correctness, no compromising on the issue. We will only accept your total defeat. Or don't you understand that abortion murders children?
You call me crazy for that? Well I call you an executioner and the shedder of innocent blood.Posted by: HisMan at July 11, 2008 3:07 PM
Again, why are the "Rules of Discussion" on this site never applied to HIsMan, whose every post violates most of them?Posted by: LTL at July 11, 2008 3:21 PM
HisMan, you wrote: "There is no compromise on abortion, only a 100% total victory that comes when Roe v. Wade is overturned and it will be overturned."
No, overturning Roe/Wade would not be 100% victory for RTLs. It would increase the cost of SOME abortions by the cost of interstate travel, and prevent insurance from covering abortion in some states. That's all.Posted by: SoMG at July 11, 2008 5:02 PM
SoMG: 5:02: No, overturning Roe/Wade would not be 100% victory for RTLs. It would increase the cost of SOME abortions by the cost of interstate travel, and prevent insurance from covering abortion in some states. That's all.
Maybe PP could run free shuttles to their mega centers. Yeah, right. Maybe unmarried girls and boys would have to stop having sex. hey could find a hobby or a job or a volunteer opportunity.Posted by: Janet at July 11, 2008 8:25 PM
Gloria Feldt is not a happy camper: "In the big picture, Obama's character begins to appear as someone who is quick to deflect, demur, defer to his challengers. The dreaded flip-flopper, whom voters always see as a loser. When the frame is focused on reproductive rights and health specifically, we see a candidate who is either uninformed (not likely) or speaks with an unacceptable lack of moral center about abortion, sex education, and family planning."
"I truly hope Obama will have sense enough to come in out of the rain of his self-induced controversy and recognize that he's a lot more likely to persuade women like me to support him than he is to get the votes of those who press for him to betray his previously stated pro-woman principles and will almost certainly abandon him at the ballot box anyway."Posted by: Janet at July 11, 2008 8:36 PM
Janet, you wrote: "Maybe unmarried girls and boys would have to stop having sex. "
HAhAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH ROTFL.Posted by: SoMG at July 11, 2008 8:36 PM
S: That's a typical attitude of a pro-abort. Keeps them in business.Posted by: Janet at July 11, 2008 8:39 PM
He may talk soft but will never actually go soft. He takes Viabortionagra every day.
No, overturning Roe/Wade would not be 100% victory for RTLs. It would increase the cost of SOME abortions by the cost of interstate travel, and prevent insurance from covering abortion in some states. That's all.
Posted by: SoMG at July 11, 2008 5:02 PM
Real victory comes when hearts are changed. Do you remember my analogy about the cookie jar with $1000 in it? Same for abortion. Real victory comes not when abortion is made illegal (though I would not disagree with said law), but when every persons heart is changed and they respect the lives of the unborn and view them as a priceless treasure worhty of love and sustinence. Not to lose you or xalisae here with a God reference but, see God is a mystery but we can describe God in ways that bring us knowledge of God's existense/presence" in creation. Final victory will be when every mother sees her unborn child as an irreplaceable gift, worthy of nurting in her womb. When conception stirs the Holy Spirit inside of these new mothers and graces them with love and nurturing for their child. Of course, in order for this final victory to be achieved, the men have an equally important, though different role to play.
truthseeker: Real victory comes when hearts are changed
Amen!Posted by: Janet at July 12, 2008 8:07 AM
SoMG @ 8:36 PM
Some are more mature than others. Do you profit at their expense?Posted by: Chris Arsenault at July 12, 2008 2:17 PM