On Saturday, University of Florida Gators QB Tim Tebow became the first sophmore in the Heisman Trophy's 73-year history to win.
Good thing his mother believed in the sanctity of life, or Tebow would have been just another abortion statistic. From the Gainesville Sun, December 7:
In 1985, [parents Pam and Bob, pictured right with Tim] moved to the Philippines, where they served as Christian missionaries.Hoping to expand their family, they prayed for "Timmy" by name.
Just before she became pregnant, Pam fell into a coma after contracting amoebic dysentery, which is transmitted through contaminated drinking water. Her treatment required a series of strong medications. As a result of those medications, doctors told Pam the fetus had been irreversibly damaged, and they strongly advised her to have an abortion. She refused because of her faith, she said. Pam spent the last two months of her pregnancy on bed rest, and on her due date - Aug. 14, 1987 - she gave birth to a healthy baby boy, who she described as "skinny, but rather long."
Several other future Heisman contenders weren't so lucky.
[HT: friend Andrew]
Comments:
Look! ANOTHER case of where the doctor was wrong!
Excellent article, Jill..thanks for sharing!
Posted by: AB Laura at December 11, 2007 11:37 AMAwesome story! I know two women off the top of my head who were in the same situation. They were advised to end their pregnancies and both delivered healthy happy babies.
Posted by: Sandy at December 11, 2007 12:05 PMI think it's a great article. Really makes a good point. On a semantics note... any thoughts on how she fell into a coma 'just before' she became pregnant? I am assuming that she came out of the coma before she became pregnant too - that would be a weird surprise upon waking.
Posted by: Alex at December 11, 2007 12:06 PMOh good!
She CHOSE to continue a risky pregnancy and had a good outcome. That's just fine all the way around.
Isn't choice wonderful?
Great story. I'm glad she was allowed to CHOOSE what she wanted.
"Several other future Heisman contenders weren't so lucky."
Jill, I didn't know you could tell the future of aborted fetus. Can you tell the my future too?
Posted by: JM at December 11, 2007 1:07 PMJill, I didn't know you could tell the future of aborted fetus. Can you tell the my future too?
Posted by: JM at December 11, 2007 1:07 PM
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Oh hell, have her pick our Lotto numbers.
Posted by: Laura at December 11, 2007 1:09 PMDoctors are suppose to advise patients on what they believe is right. A doctor will advise a cancer patient to do chemo. etc. A friend of my mother had breast cancer. Her doctor advised her to do chemo. She said she didn't want to put that poison in her body. She took herbal medications instead. A few months later... guess what she was cancer free. "Look another case where the doctor was wrong" Doctors should really stop telling cancer patients to do chemo *note the sarcasm*
Posted by: JM at December 11, 2007 1:11 PMJM said,
"Doctors are suppose to advise patients on what they believe is right."
JM, I 110% agree with you! Killing babies, is not "right". (they take an oath, by the way) So, that's what I was simply stating! I'm so glad we agree! :)
Posted by: AB Laura at December 11, 2007 1:22 PM"JM, I 110% agree with you! Killing babies, is not "right"."
Heres the issue. YOU don't think its right. Some doctors just don't agree.
Posted by: JM at December 11, 2007 1:30 PM
She CHOSE to continue a risky pregnancy and had a good outcome. That's just fine all the way around.
Isn't choice wonderful?
Posted by: Laura at December 11, 2007 12:39 PM
What isn't so wonderful is a doctor advocating abortion for someone who isn't asking for it and doesn't want it. It is fine for them to explain risks but suggesting abortion is way out of line. It is abuse of his position to suggest abortion and pressure a patient to do it. Even someone who supports abortion should remain neutral if her life is not in immediate danger. They should explain the situation and options but stop short of suggesting what they would do. If he were pressuring her not to abort, what would you think of that? Would you find that unprofessional or is he within his rights to push his beliefs one way or the other?
Posted by: hippie at December 11, 2007 1:39 PMthink it's a great article. Really makes a good point. On a semantics note... any thoughts on how she fell into a coma 'just before' she became pregnant? I am assuming that she came out of the coma before she became pregnant too - that would be a weird surprise upon waking.
Posted by: Alex at December 11, 2007 12:06 PM
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Perhaps there was an immaculate conception while she was in the coma. Heisman hopeful indeed! Just wait until Timmy starts walking on water.
Posted by: Sally at December 11, 2007 1:46 PM"What isn't so wonderful is a doctor advocating abortion for someone who isn't asking for it and doesn't want it. It is fine for them to explain risks but suggesting abortion is way out of line. It is abuse of his position to suggest abortion and pressure a patient to do it. Even someone who supports abortion should remain neutral if her life is not in immediate danger. They should explain the situation and options but stop short of suggesting what they would do. If he were pressuring her not to abort, what would you think of that? Would you find that unprofessional or is he within his rights to push his beliefs one way or the other?"
I agree, but how do we know that the doctor didn't explain the options and the mother started telling people "he told me to abort" OR how do we know the mother didn't take his telling her options as him saying she "should have an abortion"
Posted by: JM at December 11, 2007 1:48 PMDoctors are suppose to advise patients on what they believe is right.
Posted by: JM at December 11, 2007 1:11 PM
No, they aren't. They should explain the situation and available options and likely outcomes. The lady in the story was not at risk. Her health had improved. They just couldn't be sure the baby would still be okay and they didn't want to take the chance they would be blamed and maybe sued. If she "chooses" abortion they are free and clear because that would be her responsibility. Truth is doctors get sued and lose cases for damaged babies even if it is not their fault. No matter how much they believe it is "right" to abort a damaged baby, they are overstepping by suggesting abortion.
Posted by: Anonymous at December 11, 2007 1:49 PMJM
I agree, but how do we know that the doctor didn't explain the options and the mother started telling people "he told me to abort" OR how do we know the mother didn't take his telling her options as him saying she "should have an abortion"
Posted by: JM at December 11, 2007 1:48 PM
And how do we know he ever even mentioned abortion? Maybe she made the whole thing up. Maybe she wasn't in a coma, just sleeping. Maybe she was never even sick.
Posted by: Anonymous at December 11, 2007 1:56 PM"And how do we know he ever even mentioned abortion? Maybe she made the whole thing up. Maybe she wasn't in a coma, just sleeping. Maybe she was never even sick."
I am not saying she is lying. What I am saying is that she may misunderstood what he was saying. He could have said here are your options as "get an abortion"
JM,
"Several other future Heisman contenders weren't so lucky."
Jill, I didn't know you could tell the future of aborted fetus. Can you tell the my future too?
Posted by: JM at December 11, 2007 1:07 PM
In a nation of 300 million where 50 million have been aborted, uh, like, it is certainly statistically probable that some great athletes, scientists, criminals, butchers bakers and candlestick makers are missing.
Posted by: hippie at December 11, 2007 2:04 PMWhat isn't so wonderful is a doctor advocating abortion for someone who isn't asking for it and doesn't want it. It is fine for them to explain risks but suggesting abortion is way out of line.
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A doctor has an oblication to present all of your option.
Abortion would be one option.
A doctor has an oblication to present all of your option.
Abortion would be one option.
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That would be "obligation."
I so love Nyqil...
JM,
Why can't you believe the woman? Why do we suspect her story? Do we suspect men who say the doctor told them this or that? My friend had cancer and his doctor told him he got it all and he didn't need chemo. So my friend went out and got another opinion because his wife wanted to be sure. The second doctor said that maybe they did ideed get it all but he would give him chemo. Shall I now say maybe he just misuderstood the first guy? I don't have any idea what was said and I don't suspect that he misunderstood.
Posted by: hippie at December 11, 2007 2:10 PMIn a nation of 300 million where 50 million have been aborted, uh, like, it is certainly statistically probable that some great athletes, scientists, criminals, butchers bakers and candlestick makers are missing.
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...Or maybe just the one evil genius who would have unleashed a monster form of Ebola virus and killed us ALL.
A doctor has an oblication to present all of your option.
Abortion would be one option.
Posted by: Laura at December 11, 2007 2:08 PM
Doctors don't usually tell pregnant women to abort unless they ask. I have been pregnant and the doctor never suggested I abort. This lady had recovered. Her health wasn't in danger. There is no medical reason to suggest abortion. He had an obligation to inform her that her baby might not be okay. That is it.
Likewise those of us who are flabby or flat chested could get cosmetic surgery, but as yet no doctor has ever suggested it to me since there is no medical reason for it.
Posted by: Anonymous at December 11, 2007 2:17 PMDoctors are suppose to advise patients on what they believe is right.
Posted by: JM at December 11, 2007 1:11 PM
That must be why it is practically impossible for a woman to get a tubal ligation if she young and doesn't want kids. Because the doctor doesn't believe in it or in her. It is still an uphill battle being a woman.
Posted by: Anonymous at December 11, 2007 2:20 PM
...Or maybe just the one evil genius who would have unleashed a monster form of Ebola virus and killed us ALL.
Posted by: Laura at December 11, 2007 2:12 PM
Is that the Nyquil talking?
Is that the Nyquil talking?
Posted by: hippie at December 11, 2007 2:23 PM
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I hope so.
I don't think I've had a cold in the last decade. You forget how miserable it is.
I'm glad to see I'm noted as "friend" Andrew. Is there an evil Andrew out there somewhere?
Doctors don't usually tell pregnant women to abort unless they ask. I have been pregnant and the doctor never suggested I abort. This lady had recovered. Her health wasn't in danger. There is no medical reason to suggest abortion. He had an obligation to inform her that her baby might not be okay. That is it.
Posted by: Anonymous at December 11, 2007 2:17 PM
Give me a break. My neighbor was pregnant with her seventh (yes, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7th) baby and the doctor told her to abort. Nothing wrong, no history of high risk, just too many babies. Needless to say she didn't go back to him for her 8th baby.
Posted by: Kristen at December 11, 2007 6:34 PM...Or maybe just the one evil genius who would have unleashed a monster form of Ebola virus and killed us ALL.
Posted by: Laura at December 11, 2007 2:12 PM
And one to cure it.
Posted by: Kristen at December 11, 2007 6:35 PMSally,
Perhaps there was an immaculate conception while she was in the coma. Heisman hopeful indeed! Just wait until Timmy starts walking on water.
I don't think you are clear on what the term Immaculate Conception means...no surprise.
Posted by: mk at December 12, 2007 7:03 AMMK, LOL!
Posted by: Kristen at December 12, 2007 7:12 AMJM said: "Jill, I didn't know you could tell the future of aborted fetus."
Ironically, many proaborts argue that THEY can tell the future of aborted fetuses, when they say that it's "compassionate" to abort a fetus that is doomed to have a "horrible life, full of nothing but misery".
What they don't say is whether it would be "compassionate" to kill born kids that are ALREADY living miserable lives.....
Jill, please run for president next time... I'll vote for you! :-)
Posted by: Doyle at December 12, 2007 12:31 PMNo offense, but if Jill gets elected president, I am running away. Fast. Probably to the Netherlands or something. I will live the life of a pot-smoking European hippie! Whoo! Seriously though, that would be terrible. I can see my rights flying out the window. And not just my right to choose.
Posted by: Erin at December 13, 2007 12:24 AM