I wonder if it was situations like these that Sandra Day O'Connor had in mind when she wrote that Roe v. Wade was "on a collision course with itself."

Well if it was an incomplete abortion, or had any type of complications, isn't it possible a legal abortion was sought to correct the problem? Women can die from incomplete abortion. Therefore, it could be possible that the legal abortion was a life-saving measure. Just speaking hypothetically here, as we don't know all the facts of this case - but I wonder if that would change the legal argument of the case.

I wonder why she did not seek a legal abortion in the first place. Perhaps the cost? This story doesn't make it harder for me to be pro-choice. I feel very sorry for the woman and wish she'd had better information and care.

From what I've seen and heard about these abortion clinics lately, her standard of care and cleanliness was probably higher than a clinics.

Am I the only one who thinks it's an outrage that self-abortion is illegal at all?

The government has no business attempting to prevent self-abortions.

SOMG,

Of course they don't...
Why, just think of all the money that could be saved!!!!!

Have a good night SOMG. Try not to get hit by a truck or anything...
mk

SOMG-You're outraged that self abortion is illegal? Wow,your sicker than I thought.What method do you suggest women use?

Foxglove herbs.

Personally my favorite is pouring antifreeze into a funnel connected to a hose that the woman shoved up her...yeah.

Done being sarcastic now.

Ah,I should have known better.That comment was from SOMG.That stands for Some Other Misleading Garbage. I've just got to keep reminding myself.

*shrugs*

I was also being sarcastic...please note that.

momof3, SOMG is a troll. He says things with one intention- to rile people up. I seriously doubt he even believes most of the stuff he says. I've given up responding to him once I realized this. He's not worth responding to....that's the only reason he comes here- to get people angry. He's pretty good at it too, I'll give him that.

"In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who enters an established community such as an online discussion forum and intentionally tries to cause disruption, often in the form of posting messages that are inflammatory, insulting, incorrect, inaccurate, or off-topic, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others."

Read more here.

Actually, abortive herbs are pretty common. Vitamin C is a big one.

Heh, read my post, I didn't mean to imply that vitamin c is a herb, just that it can be used to induce a miscarriage.

Oh ya,thanks Bethany.A troll is a better definition.This is the man/woman who sits around reading medical books and thinks he/she is a doctor.How could I have forgotten?I love the troll link though.Thank you for that!!

"In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who enters an established community such as an online discussion forum and intentionally tries to cause disruption..."

I don't try to cause disruption.

"... often in the form of posting messages that are inflammatory,..."

Sometimes.

"insulting, ..."

Well I respond in kind when insulted, but I don't usually post insults. I do point out when other posters insult themselves with unintelligent posts, or more directly (as in, when momof3 refers to herself as "trash").

"incorrect, ..."

Never. I am exceptionally well-informed on this topic (abortion) and I do not lie or mislead.

"inaccurate ..."

Nope. See above.

" ... or off-topic, "

Nope.

"...with the intent of provoking a reaction from others."

The reaction I hope to provoke is: intelligent thought.

Momof3, I would recommend misoprostol early in pregnancy for self-abortion. Alternatively, methotrexate, or virtually any other conventional chemtheraputic agent, in a dose five times lower than the conventional chemotheraputic dose. With the methotrexate, you'd have to be prepared to miscarry at any time though. And of course there's the problem of obtaining the drugs without a doctor to write a prescription, which is a separate crime in itself.

But that's beside the point, which is, that government should not be attempting to police self-abortions. That's an unjustifiable intrusion into the patient's personal life.

SOMG,So you would think it was okay for a 13 year old to self administer this drug?[really I don't even know why I'm bothering to ask] But what if she were alone and began hemorrhaging?What if she dropped dead?

I can see this one from both sides, SOMG. On the one hand, I can agree: it is intrusive. On the other, abortion can be dangerous for the female involved.

I tend to lean in agreement with you, SOMG. I know that if I was put in that position, I'd much prefer to do a herbal abortion at home, and if that didn't work, I'd go to a clinic.

Oh ya,thanks Bethany.A troll is a better definition.This is the man/woman who sits around reading medical books and thinks he/she is a doctor.How could I have forgotten?I love the troll link though.Thank you for that!!

No problemo ;)

Ok, enough of giving advice on self-abortion on a pro-life site.

And you pro-aborts have come full circle, from crying for legalized abortions so as to stop back alley abortions, to getting what you want, to crying now for legalized back alley abortions.

Amen to that Jill! How silly it all is!

Jill, I'd really really prefer women go to clinics, I really would. Messing around with home abortions is a dangerous passtime, and herbal abortions don't always work. I'm certainly not advocating back ally abortions, no way.

Momof3, you wrote: "So you would think it was okay for a 13 year old to self administer this drug?"

It might not be a good idea for her to do so but I don't think she should be punished by the government for it.

"But what if she were alone and began hemorrhaging?"

She could call 911.

"What if she dropped dead?" That's very unlikely. But the thing about self-medicating is, you are responsible for any problems you have because of it. You can't blame the doctor if there is no doctor involved. You choose to take your own risks. There's no reason to having the government punish you for doing so. The risks involved are punishment enough.

Jill, I don't think I saw anyone saying they wanted back ally abortions legal...but there are certainly ways that abortions can be done with herbs and such, and that the government shouldn't be able to police it.
Not to mention that almost everyone has agreed that a clinic would be better than trying to do a herbal abortion at home...

Mmm.. Now I am not a troll, and although i find this disturbing, i agree with SOMG. I don't understand why someone should be going to jail for attempting to abort her own baby... this is just my opinion.

I once read about a women who took some type of herbal medications, then spent some time reflecting and visualizing the walls of her uterus shredding. After some time, I believe it was about a week, she had a miscarriage. Should she be charged with attempted murder too?

If you would like the name of the book and author please e-mail me. jana.rozek@gmail.com The title of the book could offend some of the people here and I prefer not to do it. The book is actually very good. This women also talks about how women shouldn't feel forced to take birth control, (because of what it can do to your body) she encourages other types of controception. There of course we some things i didn't care for but all in all it was a nice read. I can tell you the author, go ahead and google her, Inga Muscio...

This idea that government should protect you from yourself by punishing self-injurious or self-endangering behavior is misguided.

Should you be punished for hitting yourself with a hammer? Slashing your wrists? Riding a bike in NYC? If yes, what should the punishment be?

No,you shouldn't be punished for slashing your wrists,but you should receive some much needed psychiatric care.

momof3-

So perhaps this mother who attempted to abort her fetus should get psychiatric care...??

Also momof3, i'm curious, how old are your kids and are they boys or girls?? I hope to have 3 kids someday! :)

And you pro-aborts have come full circle, from crying for legalized abortions so as to stop back alley abortions, to getting what you want, to crying now for legalized back alley abortions.

Wow, if that isn't the truth! Look at that. It's so obvious and still they argue. lol
It's amazing.

Oh come on Bethany,
many are just saying they don't think people should go to jail with they self-induce an abortion. Are we saying we want women to do "back alley abortions" Of course not!

Sorry,not giving out ages.I really don't like to tell too much about myself on line.I will tell you that I haven't yet had #3 though.I am currently pregnant.Also,I said that any woman that tried to inflict bodily harm on herself needs some psychiatric help.

I don't understand how pro-lifers see these herbal abortions as back ally... To me, it's on the same line as home remedies...they may not work, they may not be healthy, but there's nothing illegal about them and certainly not the same as seeing a "back ally doctor"

momof3- well congrats to your soon to be baby! that must be exciting! I am excited to have a family someday, but that isn't going to be for awhile.

Ahhh, Irony, sweet irony.

Not only don't they see that back alley abortions and "home remedy" abortions are the same thing, they also don't see that they are agreeing with SOMG about doing them, and he's the one who said clinics shouldn't be regulated.

Oh and let's not forget the fact that the abortionists in the clinics are the same ones that were doing the back alley abortions.

I am enjoying this tonight...fools and comedians.

Well, it's never dull.
mk

MK-
I don't see back alley abortions and "home remedy" as the same thing.. well I guess it depends... this individual that Jill is talking about perhaps I would say that is more like the "back alley abortions" but the individual I talked about earlier tonight, I wouldn't see that as a "back alley abortion"

And i'm not sure anyone really said women should do them. I prefer women go to clinic, where it can be done safely. but then again perhaps you've heard all this before.. I hope I am not boring you. ;) (Please note that I am not trying to be mean, just trying to be sarcastic/funny)

You said it MK.Talk about mass confusion.Keep abortion legal?What for? They can all do their own. They can even do each others.Who needs clinics? Set up a small booth with a sign for advertisement! What a great idearrr!!!

Nobody can win with you people... its disturbing.

Sorry, I should have clarified on my previous post...

I meant the use of herbs would be considered a "home remedy", not the use of OTC drugs, as in article.

But, even so, I don't think that the government should be able to punish a person for it, as it hurts no one but herself to do these herb abortions.

I don't think anyone said they wanted women to use this remedies nor shove a coat hanger up there.

Jana, Jode etc,

You just made a top ten list of the best ways to perform a home abortion and then you say no one is advocating it?

Either I'm losin' it or you are.

Saying that there are ways to do something and actually telling a person that they should do it are different.

So, you may be losing it.

Jana,I forgot to say thank you-for the congrats part.I didn't mean to be rude.However,you and Jodes have lost me.How exactly do the 2 of you plan to do these "legal"abortions?

MK-
didn't you tell me last night you'd like to hear new and fresh ideas?? I'm not advocating it. I read something interesting and wanted to share it with everyone. The book I read was not about how to perform abortions on yourself.. the part I shared was maybe 10 pages out of a 300+ page book. If I talk about a friend I lost to suicide, and how he did it, does that mean i'm advocating suicide? If I read harry potter does that mean i support witchcraft.. or believe in it?

So, you may be losing it.

Yes, well, I suspected as much.

by advocating that women go to clinics to have safe abortions..I will say it again, even though i have said it a million times. I never said I thought women should have these types of abortions, nor did I say I would "perform" them. I just said that I didn't necessary think a women should go to jail or arrested if she tries to give herself an abortion. You are twisting my words momof3 and MK too.

Also momof3, its okay that you didn't say thank you. I never thought you were being rude.. no worries... can I ask when you are due? If you'd prefer not to share I understand.

MK- How does me sharing something I read, mean I am advocating it and that I support it?

Jana,

Nobody can win with you people... its disturbing.

I am sorry, really.
I just emailed Jill and asked her if there was something in the water tonight. I can't stop thinking in one liners. Think lemmings.

Yes, I will google that author, tho the book doesn't sound appealing if your pro-life.

Also, SOMG is a sociopath (we settled that eons ago, he knows how I feel and has not refuted it in anyway) but he does know how to banter, and whenever he is on sarcasm is the only thing that keeps me sane.

You haven't really done or said anything awful, and I keep jumping on you. And I haven't really made you feel welcome. My bad. Shame on me.
I'm duly chastised.

I will really try not to snap at you until I know you better. Okay?

mk

Given the picketing at clinics... it's no surprise people would attempt to abort at home. Perhaps if the abortion doctor met them at the closest church... seeing how all the zealots are at the clinic???

MK-
Yes I think I would have to agree with you about pro-life individuals not liking the book. But it has interesting ideas and points of view...

this women also refuses to watch movies or read books with rape in them... She refuses to read magazines that put women down. She spends sometime talking about these things too. So also talks about not to be embarrassed about your period...

I agree that we can have a civil debate but I will never be convinced that abortion is okay .It wasn't ok today.It wasn't ok 1000 years ago,and it won't be okay tomorrow or 1000 years from now.Jana and Jodes,at least you 2 didn't come out of the cage[figure of speech]like 2 tigers.I've had plenty of that tonight.Just put my whip away.Anyway,I'm momof3[not my real name-lol]and it's nice to meet you both.Jana,I am due any day now.

Mom and MK, it's nice to meet the both of you.

I really don't mean to come off as mean, and i would be the first to admit that I don't have all the answers or information, which is really why I'm here.

I obviously have my beliefs, but am always interested in learning more and having an intelligent debate with someone who is willing to give me the same respect (no name calling, no belittling, etc.) as i try to give.

mk, I never said abortion clinics shouldn't be regulated. I said they shouldn't be regulated as strictly as outpatient surgical clinics where the doctors actually cut into the patients.

mk, I never said abortion clinics shouldn't be regulated. I said they shouldn't be regulated as strictly as outpatient surgical clinics where the doctors actually cut into the patients.

We're not going there again are we?

Mom and MK, it's nice to meet the both of you.

And you to Jodes.

As I told Jana last nite, I tend to be like the teacher who is really mean on the first few weeks of class, then I let you bring lemmings to school and come barefoot...So don't mind me. I'm much softer than I seem at first.

Isn't that right SOMG?

Oh, and, Welcome !

mk

Given the picketing at clinics... it's no surprise people would attempt to abort at home. Perhaps if the abortion doctor met them at the closest church... seeing how all the zealots are at the clinic???

Oh look who's here...
Someone I can legitimately be mean too.

Speaking of trolls...

MK-
Its like I said last night.... "don't smile till Christmas"

SOMG,one for the road.When a woman goes for an abortion,she is allowing someone to open her cervix,and scrape her uterus.It's an invasive procedure.This is why antibiotics are prescribed after the procedure.Now quit beating a dead horse please.

It is a sad to see a young woman so led astray that she make a satanic sacrifice of the person living in her womb.

It sounds like the woman had Jill's idea of a great husband... a wife beating Michael Corleone.

See, Jill was right. We need more Mr. Pierces and Don Corleones so's the women learn to listen and do what they're told, and are so afraid of seeking legal abortion that they make their own home brewed RU 486 instead.

LOL

OK... not one of Jill's prouder moments.

MK-
Its like I said last night.... "don't smile till Christmas"

EXACTLY !

You're not smiling now are you...

has His Man changed his name to His Blood now? It's a bit confusing...

I am not.. :P ;)

Excuse me, I wasn't the one who brought it up.

Everybody does this.
What does it mean?

:P
and
:D

I feel so stupid and I'm supposed to be the teacher...

Did I just see you smile young lady?

mk

Godmother checking in. Oh, hi, Cameron. Do you by any chance have a pet horse?

SOMG, 9:30p, said: "... where the doctors actually cut into the patients... "

Now you knew someone would bite at that bait, didn't you?

Of course, we pro-lifers will remind you one patient is always cut into during an abortion and the other is sometimes cut into.

But say the first patient isn't a patient. What is it? It comes from the woman and it is cut into. Either its one of her organs or tumors or a parasite, or it is a baby. You can't have it both ways. SOMETHING from inside the woman is cut into.

So I've read Jill's entire article, and everyone's posts and replies and what-not. It's late and I'm a little bit tired and maybe not connecting one thing to another, ugh, let me just get to my point...

I'll base my thoughts off of the following comment...

"SOMG,So you would think it was okay for a 13 year old to self administer this drug?[really I don't even know why I'm bothering to ask] But what if she were alone and began hemorrhaging?What if she dropped dead?"

Posted by: momof3 at April 11, 2007 07:50 PM

momof3, please understand that I am not trying to be rude or disrespectful to you, and I'm not trying to single you out, there are many posts that are similar to yours, it's just it was your post that popped out to me the most, I actually found it judges well on your character that you showed a slight compassion for this "self-administer", unless of course you were being sarcastic, it's difficult to tell with words written down, rather than vocalization.

Now, this is just me assuming things, but if abortion were to be illegal in every state, as in; there was absolutely no where in the world to get an abortion, don't you think things like this would happen more often, you know; "desperate times call for desperate measures". Most of these posts spoke of these "back-alley" abortions and how entirely dangerous they are, some of you even mentioned how they are dangerous, so why not keep abortion llegal as a way of making it safe?

Any thoughts?

And here is another thought based on tht following comment...

"From what I've seen and heard about these abortion clinics lately, her standard of care and cleanliness was probably higher than a clinics."

Posted by: MK [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 11, 2007 06:02 PM

I've only in the past 2 months have started reading the articles and posts on this website, so maybe I have no grounds for talking, but I see you posting on here a lot, so obviously you read most, if not all of the articles... so maybe the only reason why you have only seen and heard about un-cleanly abortion clinics, is because the only time you have heard about them is here on www.jillstanek.com, obviously, she would never write an article about an abortion clinic that is safe and clean. Now, don't take this as me saying there are no un-cleanly and un-safe abortion clinics, because even being pro-choice, I realize there are, but you have to take into consideration, there are many that are both as clean and as safe as they can possibly be.

Again, any thoughts?

So instead of passing laws to make abortions illegal, because eiether way, someone will find a way to do it themselves, Jill's article was a perfect example, why don't we pass laws to at least make abortion clinics have to live up to certain standards regarding cleanliness and safety, and maybe only until up until a certain point, for example, 12 weeks, how most abortion clinics are, well before the fetus can actually substain life outside the womb?

Also, I have posted on this website before, and I was called out, and Jill deleted my post for supposingly "insulting" and individual and being "rude", as how she has deleted many of the pro-choicers posts on this website, for a variety of ridiculous reasons. However, in my case I simply asked an indiviual to please reply to my posts without a verse from the bible, or in reference to religion, and MK, I believe it was you who called me out in the first place, so I find your following comment ironic...

"SOMG,
Of course they don't...
Why, just think of all the money that could be saved!!!!!
Have a good night SOMG. Try not to get hit by a truck or anything...
mk"

Posted by: MK [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 11, 2007 06:27 PM

In most cases, referencing someone to get "hit by a truck" is considered rude, but Jill would never delete the post of a pro-lifer, now would you Jill?

SOMG,

Excuse me, I wasn't the one who brought it up.

No, excuse me, did you raise your hand?

and if you brought it up, you'll clean it up !

mk

(what did you bring up?)

MK,

They're faces. :P (sticking your tongue out) and :D (is a really happy face).

MK- You're a teacher!? I didn't know that? What grade do you teach? How long have you been teaching? What do you think of NCLB?

Sorry.. hehe as a future educator... hopefully this fall, I love talking to teacher. Right now I'm a paraprofessional.

Oh, oops, my mistake...You didn't bring it up.

Well, then, I'll clean it up.

Consider the subject dropped.

Darn, now I'll have to clean that up too!
mk

Thank you Danielle,
and why are you late to class...

MK

Jana,

Sorry I gave you the impression that I was a teacher. I was just runnin' with the whole "no smiling in class" thing.

Although I did teach preschool for fifteen years.

Which probably explains the sophomoric humor you are witnessing tonight.

What grades/subjects do you want to teach?
I was always fascinated with Autism myself.
mk

MK,

I've been sick all day. :( Finally managed to drag myself out of bed and eat something, and now I'm about to start working on a five page paper due Friday. Blargh. Being sick really messes up your plans.

MK-
wait... are you not a teacher.... ahhh... I feel silly.

Jana,

Don't feel bad. Just cuz my students were only 4 years old, I still taught them.

That was always a problem. Preschool teachers don't get the same respect as other teachers. But I can tell you we work just as hard. My kids were mostly immigrant children. It was like a little UN. Nobody spoke English, but nobody spoke each others language either. Lots of gesticulating!

They were from India, Peru, Poland, Syria, Africa,
Israel, Iran, Italy, and every once in a while one was born here in the good ole' USA.

I loved it. I miss it. But now I watch my granddaughter and soon to be second grandchild...

mk

LG aka SOMG-Nice try at puttin us in a trick bag.I had that feeling,so I played along.I may have been born at night but it wasn't LAST night.

Danielle,

I hope you have a note from your mom...

What kind of sick? And what's the paper on and don't answer any of those questions because your not here, you're doing your homework, right?
mk

Call me crazy but i'd like to teach middle school math. Although at this point i'd take anything offered to me. I live in Minnesota, where teaching jobs are competitive. You could have over 200 people applying for one job.

Autsim is very fascinating. Did you know that when Autism first appeared, they blamed that the mother didn't love her child enough and that is what caused it? Stupid huh? I read a really interesting article in "Discovery" magazine. Gosh I wish I could remember some of the details. You should try to find the article online...

Jana: I've heard that getting teaching jobs in the maths and sciences was actually pretty easy as there aren't a lot of them. English and Social Studies jobs are more competitive from what I hear.

Yeah I know about the "cold mother" thing. But then they used to drill holes in your forehead too...

We've come a long way, no?

I was adopted and recently found my birth family...long story...another time...but...
they live in Minnesota. Someplace called Zimmerman, near St. Cloud.

Where are you?

MK- Don't get me wrong but I think preschool teachers can do MORE work sometimes. For college I observed a kindergarten teacher (for about 45 minutes mind you) she had like 3 or 4 DIFFERENT activities planned in that 45 minutes...

I was whipping myself the other night for impure thoughts (killing abortion doctors), and I though... oh my god... I'm turning into my mother.

This Saturday I'm walking in Relay for Life . It's a walk for cancer research. I'm walking in the memory of my uncle George Beckendorf who died this summer from cancer. The walk goes from 7pm-7am in the Geneseo gym.

I hope that you'll consider donating. My uncle was an amazing man. A lot of you would have liked him even if just for his religious beliefs.

https://www.kintera.org/faf/donorReg/donorPledge.asp?ievent=205621&lis=1&kntae205621=561099552C474F5FB7338FCBB9AFA49C&supId=169140393

Thanks,
Danielle

My friend has an autistic 7 year old son.He can't speak.He makes a high pitched shrilling noise.Can these kids be taught to talk?Anyone know?Jana?

Yes they can learn to talk. But i think it takes lots of practice and training.

AWSOME Danielle!

It can be managed. I watched a video in college about a family that had four kids. Three of them were autistic. They've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on treatment for them.

"and don't answer any of those questions because your not here, you're doing your homework, right?"

lol I'm getting there.

I've been getting really bad muscles aches and when I tried to get out of bed and ready for class today I passed out. Luckily my boyfriend was next to me and caught me so I didn't get hurt in the fall. Tomorrow I'm hoping to be able to make the walk to the health center. It's of course on the opposite side of campus a good 10-15 minute walk.

The paper is on the evolution of musical theater from minstrelsy to present day theater.

SOMG,

If I hurt your feelings with the truck comment, I apologize. I was just unaware that you had any feelings. And the line was actually from a "Faulty Towers" episode. Basil talking to Cybil...

Poor baby, have you been sulking all this time?
mk

The paper is on the evolution of musical theater from minstrelsy to present day theater.

That actually sounds fun. I loved the whole vaudeville thing...

Wish it was still around, y'know?

Vaudeville is fun to perform. I was in George M! in high school and there's huge vaudeville scene in that.

I've been getting really bad muscles aches and when I tried to get out of bed and ready for class today I passed out. Luckily my boyfriend was next to me and caught me so I didn't get hurt in the fall. Tomorrow I'm hoping to be able to make the walk to the health center. It's of course on the opposite side of campus a good 10-15 minute walk.

They're not side effects are they? Be careful. Maybe it's just the flu, but maybe it's something more. I'm glad your boyfriend is there for you.

Okay, enough, do your homework...

I have to go to bed. I've got a couple of good dreams I need to get to...

G'night,
mk

MK,I'm pretty sure he tried to come back as LG.Who else would defend SOMG.LG stands for Lost Ghost.Yep sulking.Can't stir up a hornets nest tonight.

Jill,

Godmother?? Fairy in drag perhaps, but nothing particularly motherly about someone in lust with bloody imagery.

Mom,
Do you think he really is human, or just playing one on TV?
mk

Goodnight all! Going to watch Leno and Conan.Need some laughs tonight!

Oh momof3,

How laughable how witty you think you are, unfortunatly this is not SOMG, and in case you were wondering, I used to post under Loreal, I think you might have called my looney before in a different post, regarding to a different comment.

But nice try, seriously.

So were you born LAST night, because that assumption was just absolutely "looney".

Bah...The Colbert Report is so much better than Leno and Conan.

Ah,not human.totally fictional.Spirit by his own definition remember? LOL.

Is the Colbert report funny? I don't think I've ever heard of it.

Loreal,too tired.Not goin there tonight.

The Colbert Report is hilarious...it's a spoof on Bill O'Reilly.

The Colbert Report rocks my face off!

Cable?

Can't wait for you to be a little more awake than momof3.

Yup, it's on cable. Comedy Channel, to be exact. I heart that show.

Colbert...Can't wait. May 16. Baby.

Isn't self abortion suicude? Wouldn't self-abortion be decribing the act of trying to abort or murder yourself?

Shouldn't we call it what it is, "Maternal Infanticide or, Maternal Zygoticide, or Maternal Feticide or just plain Maternicide (or would that be killing your mother or, would that be a zygote killing his mother)." Can't we all agree on something.

I know, we'll just call pregnancy what it is, "Attempted Zygotian Maternicide or AZM" Or how about, "Attempted Fetal Induced Maternal Autonomy Theft or AFIMAT. Can you spell FATIMA?

You know from reading all of the brilliant posts over the last few weeks, I've got a potential solution to the whole abortion snenario:
1) Woman gets pregnant through no fault of her own (that admission will satify Alyssa, Rae, Less, Amanda, Danielle and SamanthaT).
2) Immediately she goes to a womb to womb transfer clinic run by Planned Parenthood where the zygote is transferred from a real womb to a mechanical womb. Mother signs a waiver of rights with regards to the child and a confidentiality agreement (Lando would like that one). Ex-mother is now paid $300 by Planned Parenthood instead of having to pay PP. (PP is now supported by pro-lifer donations who just can't think of letting any baby die...Hisman, Jill, MK, Valerie, and MomOf3 would like that).
3) Zygote turns into a baby. (Hisman, Jill, MK, Valerie, and MomOf3 would like that one too).
4) Baby is born (that too).
5) Baby gets adopted by Planned Parenthood who train baby to be a Mechanical Womb Counselor using same brain washing tactics they used to come up with the term, "pro-choice".

Everyone's happy: Mom got rid of baby. PP eventually got their $300.00 and a lot, lot more. Pro-lifers saved a baby's life. The government doesn't have to worry about employment figures. What do you think? Do you think that all these Mecahnical Womb Counselors would form a Union? Hey Dems, are you listening? It's a win, win, win situation.

Why do pro-deathers have such trouble with conceptual thought and its correct expression based on lingual convention? Why do any of us let them get awy with it?

I mean, "pro-choice"? How in the world does that describe the murder of an innocent child in the womb?

Are there any English teachers out there? Please, no public school English teachers, most of them have caved.

Bob Dornan for Prez!

The true right-to-lifer. The right-to-lifer's right-to-lifer.

Bob Dornan!

HIsMan, don't try to understand "pro-choice" it's really complicated. Basically, a woman has the right to choose whether to have an abortion or not. The government can't force her to remain pregnant if she doesn't want to be. You can try to talk her out of it, but you can't make it illegal.

Most Americans agree.

HIsMan, don't try to understand "pro-choice" it's really complicated. Basically, a woman has the right to choose whether to have an abortion or not. The government can't force her to remain pregnant if she doesn't want to be. You can try to talk her out of it, but you can't make it illegal.
Most Americans agree.

Would you be willing to have the abortion issue settled by a nationwide vote?

Bethany, it wouldn't be "settled" even if we had such a vote. Pro-life poeple would not change their opinions if abortion was voted legal, and abortions would continue if the vote went the other way.

I was just pointing out that it seems to me that most Americans are not too concerned with the status quo. From a small slice of the population that visits Jill's blog, it is easy to forget the larger picture. There is no crisis, the sky is not falling, all is well with the world.

Doug, it's a common ploy to try to dismiss the enemy, which is what we are, face it. In reality, the battle over abortion only grows more fervent as time goes on. And all is, of course, not well with the world when we kill over 1 million babies a year in the US via abortion.

B1BobforPrez,Thanks for the info.I'm gonna vote for this guy Bob Doran the pro-lifer.

Bob DORNAN! Not "Doran".

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