The onesie lacks a baby. And if it remains empty because the baby was aborted, then it's fine by PP because it is, after all, Mommy's *choice*.

For a stunning fashion statement, how about they fill out the onesie with wet kleenex and call it the "Blobs of Tissue" wetsuit? Or change the wording to say "Mommy's Product of Conception"? Or better yet, "My Body, but Mommy's Choice".

More onesie logos:

"Planned Parenthood Survivor"

"Parasites Rule!"

"They Weren't Ready, But I Was!"

"I'm a PPT (Positive Pregnancy Test)"

"Am I a Baby Now?"

"The Wanted Child"

"Autonomy Buster"

"Former Fetus"

"Cameron's Nightmare"

carder, good ones. This outfit is soooo cheesy!

Wow, this is really from them. I would have thought this was a joke from our side.

Bethany, I have visited CHOICE sites before. They have tons of T-shirts, hats, mugs and baby clothing just like this.

It's like their demeaning themselves, intentionally. Wow.

"Mommy could have killed me, but she chose not to, so I'm worth living apparently for some reason I'll never know."

To answer the question: Nope, nothing wrong with the picture. After all, pro-choice isn't anti-baby.

There is one for the mothers too. It says 'Mom by Choice'

Yeah but this one is just soooooo demeaning...more than their other stuff they're selling. This one is the "in your face" calling babies "choices" instead of what they really are. Even after they're in the womb. Do pro-abortion people think this way, even when not actively engaging in debate? Awww, look over there, it's my little 'choice'. Sometimes, when he cries a lot, I wish I had 'chosen' differently.

And i'm referring to born babies this time, of course.

They already have demeaned unborn children. Now they have to demean the born.

Pro-choice IS anti baby because it is the murder of a baby.

No, it's not. You really don't want to understand the principle of pro-choice, do you?

Enlighten me then.

I'm not going to start the debate about how sex isn't a contract and "OMGbabykillarz" again... sorry, I just got home from work and really need some sleep now ^^

Ingrid, I asked you a question in the other thread and I'm curious to hear your answer. Since you're here and all.

Ingrid, it wouldn't matter anyway. I know that abortion kills babies. You don't feel that a child is human until birth, so it's just going to be a waste of time. Never mind.

"Planned Parenthood Survivor"
"Parasites Rule!"
"They Weren't Ready, But I Was!"
"I'm a PPT (Positive Pregnancy Test)"
"Am I a Baby Now?"
"The Wanted Child"
"Autonomy Buster"
"Former Fetus"

Those are great, Carder.

It's amazing that these pro-abortion advocates would intentionally make themselves look this bad.

Maybe they have been shouting "choice" so long, they don't even realize how bad this makes them look?

Hey there, I'm my mommy's choice. Sometimes when I'm bad, she reminds me that I could have easily been aborted, and that I just need to keep my little trap shut!

There is another T-shirt that says 'Bush: Keep your Laws Out of Mine' Now just think about that one for a moment. Once again the irresponsible woman gets pregnant, and then they blast Bush. They are always harping about how abortion would be a sacrament if men could get pregnant. Well, men can't get pregnant, so just drop it. The only guys that are going to agree with pro choice women are irresponsible men. Give me a good reason why a male would be pro choice.

How about this one?

http://www.preciousinfants.com/plannedparenthood1.jpg

Bethany, was that from PP? Is that meant to be serious?

No I made it with photoshop.

Same principle though...

Oh, Well that will be the next thing they print out. And they WILL be serious!!

Yes, I can imagine...although their wording will be more deceptive, as in the picture on the top.

Onesie logos cont'd:

"Contraceptive Failure"

"Too Cute To Be Terminated"

"Unintended"

"In Memory of..." Put terminated child's name

"Safe, Legal, but Rare?"

"I'm a D&C Procedure (Darling and Cute)"

"I'm a D&E Procedure (Darling and Exquisite)"

"I'm a D&X Procedure (Darling and Extraordinary)"

"I'm an ID&X Procedure (Intensely Darling and Extraordinary)"

Oooh Carder, I think we should make these shirts and sell them on the internet to fund raise for Life Dynamics! :-P

carder, love it!

Wonder if Planned Parenthood would be interested in this one?

http://www.preciousinfants.com/plannedparenthood3.jpg

Oh yes they would Bethany!

On second thought, it isn't deceitful enough....it should probably be "failed choice" instead of "failed abortion".

...or maybe "foiled choice".

You know, there are pro choice women who choose willingly to give birth. In fact, I know of several pro choice women who are currently happily pregnant.

Just saying

And great photoshopping work Bethany :-)

Bethany, if you have a minute, go to pro choice T-shirts. It's a hoot. Those T's are ridiculous!

Thank you, JK. I love photoshop. Do you ever use it with your photography? I do to add contrast and alter levels.

Onesies Logos cont'd:

College, Career, or Me?

Live and Let Live

Clinic Escapee

Uterine Terrorist

Pro-Choice or Pro-Life:
Which Would I Decide?

Put Your Money Where Your Suction Is!

Smile, You're On Lila's Camera!

Thank you, JK. I love photoshop. Do you ever use it with your photography? I do to add contrast and alter levels.

You're good, Carder!

Yes, I love photoshop. I just got CS3 and I play with it all the time. I'm also taking a class on digitally manipulated photography and so I'm learning all the ins and outs of it. Photoshop is so useful. :-)

I love CS3! :) I wish it would install on my computer...I got it one time and tried, but for some reason it said the computer didn't have enough memory (even though it does, the computer's only a year old and it had the required amount). I dont know what I did wrong, but i just have to stick with Adobe 7 right now.

What kind of computer do you have?

carder, think up one for PBA.

Heather, I saw one that said, "May the fetus you save be gay and proud."

That's just silly.

They are all so stupid, it's laughable!

It's emachines, 3200 AMD athlon 64 processor. 100 GB hard drive.

Do you run Windows? And if you do, do you have a good spyware blocking program?

I use ad aware every once in a while...could spyware cause that problem?

Well, if someone has sent you a Trojan then it could be eating up a lot of your memory and hard drive space.

I gotta go for now...talk to all of you soon. This has been fun!

Heather4Life:
"Pro-choice IS anti baby because it is the murder of a baby."

Ingrid:
"No, it's not. You really don't want to understand the principle of pro-choice, do you?"

What if she understands it and disagrees? Perhaps believes you're deluded?

Right you are rasqual! I am waiting for a pro choice man to give me one good reason as to why he is pro choice. Hal? Dan? Cameron?

Onesies logos cont'd:

Zygote In Progress

I'm an Alien From Inner Space

Fetal Remains Intact

Granted Stay of Execution

Per Heather's request:

I'm PBA (Partial to Being Alive)

I'm PBA (Pretending to Be Alive)

I'm PBA (Perfect, Beautiful, and Awesome!)

I Reject PBA (Partial Birth Arrogance)

Sorry to repost 3x! Unintentional.

Carder

Ladies,

How about a t-shirt for us married ladies that says "My Husband's Choice" or for the single ladies with boyfriends "A Man's Choice"? Let's see how that will fly with the folks and feminists of the pro-choice crowd.

LOVE IT, Mary!

Jk, I would really hope I don't have a trojan..that would be awful since I've already been there/ done that. But I think it's just something I've done, somehow, when I first got the computer, maybe. I don't know. I haven't had any other problems. We've done scans and haven't found anything.

Mary:
http://www.preciousinfants.com/plannedparenthood4.jpg

And Carder:
http://www.preciousinfants.com/alienfrominnerspace.jpg

*giggle*

I like the "alien from inner space"...because sometimes there are *ugly* newborns and that would kind of fit them. My little brother was an ugly, ugly newborn...

Yeah sometimes they aren't the most beautiful sight at birth. :D All that bruising and stuff, poor things. I have seen some c-section babies that looked absolutely perfect, because they didn't have to make that rough trip down the birth canal. My first son, Caleb, came out a little conehead. Of course, I didn't see him till 8 hours after he was born (benedryl knocked me out)...and his head had returned to normal by then. Plus, he had a little hat on. And to me, he was the most beautiful creature on this earth. I still remember kissing that soft little forehead and looking at those dark eyes for the first time...admiring his soft black hair.... awwww :)

Bethany,
That is odd that CS3 wouldn't work on your computer when you have sufficient memory for it. I hope you were able to get your money back.

Yeah it is odd...oh well. I still have Adobe 7 anyway. No, I didn't lose any money on it. :)

That's good. Photoshop is way too overly expensive.

Anyway, if you have never tried the Adobe Classroom in a Book series, I highly recommend it.

Yeah, my cousin had to be "vacuumed" out because he was being uncooperative so he had a cone head for awhile.

My little brother was born normally, he was sadly just an ugly baby (he had really buggy-eyes and looked really frown-y).

Thanks carder!

Onesies Logos cont'd:

Fallopian Fallout

Content of the Uterus

Embryonic Aggressor

Fetal Forceps Fighter

Child or Choice?

Womb Squatter

Kiss Me, I'm Wanted

Menace to Society

Future Abortionist

Disposable DNA

The Least of These

Maternal Bloodsucker

And Justice For Some

NARAL's Nobody

Go Ahead, Terminate Me

Sanger's Sweetie

Hi All,

If anybody has problems with viruses, etc. I would recommend using Mozilla firefox instead of Internet Explorer for your browser. Firefox is alot less susceptible to virusus.

and for virus checker software I would recommend:
trend micro pC cillin Internet security.

I havent a problem with pop-ups, virusus, trojans, etc for years....

Thanks for the tip, Jasper! I haven't heard of PC cillin before. I'll try it out.
I do use Mozilla firefox though...I find it to be MUCH better than IE.

JK, thanks for the book recommendation. :)

Carder, you are way too creative.

NOW stands for: Numerous ousted women!

NARAL ; No[post] Abortive[pain] Reality Acknowledged Ladies.

Bethany,

If you consider using trend, you can download a trial version (30days) for free.

http://www.trendmicro.com/download/trial/trial-pcc.asp

and if you like it, it's a little expensive $50.

you many have remove any previous virus protection software before using it. (through the add/remove programs utility under the windows control panel.)

good-luck.

lol: good one Heather!

jasper, LOL. That fits them to a T.

I used Trend (30-day trial) when I got my laptop freshman year. It came with a free trial disc. I liked it, but never bought it after that since my school offers a free download of Norton's symantec anti-virus dealie.

What really gets me about the whole "Every child a wanted child" mantra is that it degrades children to the level of being our property or commidities, determined as either wanted or "unwanted" and disposed of as we see fit. This mantra also impies that child is entitled to beter treatment because it's "wanted" or that the child is indebted to the parents for the parents "choosing" to keep the child.

Rachel, great post! I agree!

"Isn't it sad that we talk about children this way? "wanted" and "unwanted" ".

Yes Heather, that's how the Nazi's during WW2 use to refer to people. and they ended up killing 6 million, mostly jews, but they also killed the down-syndome kids, priests, etc.

Fun that someone mentioned PC-Cillin.

http://snipurl.com/1l8wv

Get it NOT while the rebate is hot. And you can use it on three computers.

I'm IT for our company, and we've been using their corporate products for years. Not one virus, and the most unobtrusive protection in terms of memory, CPU, and disk I/O footprint. McAfee and Norton are NOT good products. That's why they come with new computers. ;-)

I recently asked three other people at our church to buy a copy of this and get their rebate, and our church lab (we have an ESL program that uses Rosetta Stone) now has protection on all the machines -- at no cost. :-)

I'm hoping this kind of rebate is offered every year by Fry's (Outpost).

Argh. That's "Get it NOW," not "Get it NOT."

yes Rasqual, our company uses it as well......

Given Trend's history and how well it works, can you imagine recommending anything else? ;-)

It's a company that earns loyalty.

I'm so glad I was wanted. I wouldn't want to have been born anyway if my parents couldn't give me this good secure life. I'm not going to apoligize to you for being wanted. I'm sorry tour parents didn't want to have kids and only had you so they weren't "baby killers", I'm sorry you weren't loved but I'm not going to be sorry I was my parents wonderful choice.

I dont find this onesie appropriate for any purpose other than inflaming the pro-life camp (which it has been apparently successful in doing). The attitude is that the baby is lucky to be alive and that he should be grateful that his mother allowed him to invade her body for nine months prior to birth, rather than that the baby is a blessing that was conceived thru the mother's voluntary actions.

Bethany, Heather, at cafepress.com they sell pro-life t-shirts. One is called the anti-baby t-shirt and actually has a silhouette of an infant exed out. Another says "Just say NO to sex with pro-lifers."

Onesie Logos cont'd:

Curettage Cutie

Ovarian Oddball

Gestation Junkie

Fetal Pain, No Gain

I Am a Reproductive Choice

Vaccum Aspiration Just Blows Me Away

Cervical Stretcher

Death-Defying Dilator

Suctioned But Safe

Jill,

Please don't denigrate yourself. You are not a "choice", you're a thinking, feeling, caring human being. You have value because of who and what you are, not because you were wanted. Throughout your life you will experience people who dislike you and don't want you. That will not diminish your worth one iota.
I'm very happy for you that you had a wonderful life and caring parents. Not all of us, myself included, had such a blessing, but we all greatly value our lives nontheless.
Anyway, happiness is relative. People who "have it all" are miserable, others who "have nothing" are happy and grateful.
I remember my mother being sympathetic toward state funding of abortion for poor women. They're poor, its only fair, look at those poor children. I then said, "mom, weren't you the child of a desperately poor single mother"? Well yes, she was, she responded. I then asked if she valued her life any less because of it. Her response was not at all, she greatly valued her life. I then asked why she thought any other poor child would value his/her life any less than she always valued hers. She couldn't give me an answer.

carder, good ones!

Samantha T. I will be sure to check that out. How about this? 'My Baby Was Tortured to Death and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.'

Samantha, wow that is outrageous.

Jasper, thanks! And Rasqual that is an awesome rebate! Thank you!

Translated:

Mommy's Choice translated:

MOM IS GOD

Hi folks,

I loves carders phrases, but I see an irony is the t-shirt slogan .... the t-shirt is empty, no baby at all! Doesn't choice mean: no-baby?

Have you also seen the T-shirts that were put out by NOW and I think Planned Parenthood that stated I HAD AN ABORTION on them? How many of us walk around with T-shirts that say "I HAD MY GALL BLADDER REMOVED" or "I HAD HEART SURGERY". Frankly, who cares? They must think that forcing this down the public's throat is a way of gaining acceptance. I understand that even women who had abortions took great offense and saw this as trivializing and demeaning.

Mary, I guess that I'll have to get one that reads; "I HAD my children." LOL. How about "I had a tonsillectomy when I was 11." I could go on and on. What a hoot!

Well I was a choice. My mom chose to have sex. My mom chose to continue with the pregnancy. My mom also chose not to drink or smoke so yay. So I am a choice. Not my choice, I didn't decide my mom should have sex with my dad. I didn't even decide what my name would be. I'm still a person though, but I guess everyone is a choice.

Well I was a choice. My mom chose to have sex. My mom chose to continue with the pregnancy. My mom also chose not to drink or smoke so yay. So I am a choice. Not my choice, I didn't decide my mom should have sex with my dad. I didn't even decide what my name would be. I'm still a person though, but I guess everyone is a choice.

Why does your site put all my posts twice?

jill, it happens to all of us at times.

Nice to see you John. Did you say you were Canadian?

Mary, that sure would be demeaning!

Some of you make me sick... Am I pro-choice...? Yes, does that mean I go around to pregnant women telling them to abort their baby? NO! Does that mean when I have a baby someday I'm going to "wish" I aborted them when things get tough, or remind them they I could have aborted them when they "tick me off" NO.. If you serious think people who are pro-choice think like that, you need to get a reality check.

JM, some of the pro choice people I have come in contact with DO think like that! Not ALL, but some.

JM,

Please don't get huffy with about this with us. We aren't the ones printing these onesies and T-shirts. Its your side. If you have an issue with this, please go to the folks at PP or NOW. As I said, even women who had abortions took great offense at I HAD AN ABORTION T-shirts. I believe they were discontinued because of the response to them was less than positive. Sorry JM, but actions like this are what makes your side look bad. You don't need any help from us.

Mary, I was going to tell JM the very same thing. Blame it on NOW. Most of my friends who have had abortions aren't proud about doing it! They want to forget about it, and try to get on with their lives. It's not an easy thing for some of them to do. A shirt that reads : I Had An Abortion, isn't really necessary. To some, it's a painful and unkind reminder.

Mary, You had written something to me about commenting on a pro choice blog. It got lost in the shuffle. If you come back, could you please elaborate about the responses your comments received?

Well I was a choice. My mom chose to have sex. My mom chose to continue with the pregnancy. My mom also chose not to drink or smoke so yay. So I am a choice. Not my choice, I didn't decide my mom should have sex with my dad. I didn't even decide what my name would be. I'm still a person though, but I guess everyone is a choice.

You may be the *result* of a choice, but to call yourself a "choice", that's not accurate.

It's as though your being wanted is all that made you worthy of being alive...and that is demeaning and insulting to yourself.

Do you think that born children who aren't wanted are any less important than the children who are wanted by their parents?

I am just commenting on what Bethany said earlier, it has nothing to do with the onies or anything, i could care less about that. Its what Bethany stated here i'll quote her:

"Awww, look over there, it's my little 'choice'. Sometimes, when he cries a lot, I wish I had 'chosen' differently."

"Hey there, I'm my mommy's choice. Sometimes when I'm bad, she reminds me that I could have easily been aborted, and that I just need to keep my little trap shut!"

Straight from her mouth.

Yes, Jm, that's exactly how the shirt spoke to me.

If the shirt said, "Mommy's little decision", instead of "mommy's little choice", would it help you to understand the error?

Bethany- I was just stating how it irritates me that you think all pro-choice people are like that... they are NOT...

Also, I just searched the Planned Parenthood website, and did not find these onesies there...

Jill, are you a decision?

We wrote at the same time, JM, sorry about that. I don't feel that all pro-choice people are like that. However, the point remains...that shirt spoke volumes that some people do feel that way.

decision... choice... its the same thing. I could change everything in your post before to make it fit.

"Hey there, I'm my mommy's decison. Sometimes when I'm bad, she reminds me that I could have easily been aborted, and that I just need to keep my little trap shut!"

"Awww, look over there, it's my little 'decision'. Sometimes, when he cries a lot, I wish I had 'decided' differently."

Sounds the same to me.

Exactly, JM! That is exactly how it sounded.

As Mary brought up earlier, would women like to be referred to as their man's "choice"?
Sure, the man chose them as their partner, but isn't it demeaning to be referred to as a "choice", instead of the terms that would accurately describe you as a person?

Your post makes it sound like it should have said "decision" instead, listen.... Like I said earlier, I could care less about the onesies, but I looked on the PP website and only found one onesie and it wasn't one that was listed on here, for all i know someone used photo shop just like you did.

For instance, "Mommy's little cutie". "Cutie" is a word that can very accurately describe a baby. "Choice" does not describe babies...it describes the decision of a mother to kill or not to kill babies before they are born. Big difference.

Bethany-
I suppose that makes sense, but its not like the T-shirt it meant to be demeaning... at least in my opinion its not. Anyone who would say those things to their kids... that you stated earlier, shouldn't have children to begin with, (I am not saying they should have abortions) I just don't think they should have abortions...

My stance on abortion is like many pro-choice people.... I myself would never have one, but that is my choice... I don't feel like I should be able to make that decision for anybody else...

anyway, I gotta sign out for now... ciao... everyone...

Oh Bethany- Its to bad your funny story about what kids say is over... (on your website) I have a new one I heard this weekend that was quite funny.... probably would have taken the gold... ;)

I've searched the entire Planned Parenthood site, and nowhere is this onesie pictured. There's one with the birds and the bees, which is actually pretty cute. Wanna provide some proof that Planned Parenthood is actually selling this?

Here's the Birds and Bees one

There's also this one, which says "Parenthood: plan it!" which seems less of an abortion message and more of a hey, "don't be a fool, wrap your tool" sort of message.

"don't be a fool, wrap you tool" would be excellant on a onesie, btw. Great for advertising

Less-

PP doesnt sell them. The money recieved from them is donated to PP. But PP doesnt indorce (sp?) or sell them.

Who sells them, then? Do you have a link, perhance, midnite?

And JK, I much prefer other slogans, but those are far more obscene. ;)

*perchance

Hey guys!! I'm back!

Check out my blog for pics. I will catch up with you all tomorrow or so, just thought I'd check in.

Bethany-
I suppose that makes sense, but its not like the T-shirt it meant to be demeaning... at least in my opinion its not. Anyone who would say those things to their kids... that you stated earlier, shouldn't have children to begin with, (I am not saying they should have abortions) I just don't think they should have abortions...

I understand your point, JM. And I don't believe that you or some of the pro-choice advocates here would say such things. And I completely agree, anyone with that attitude should not be having kids in the first place...or conceiving them.

Sorry I had to leave last night in the middle of our discussion...it was so late, I had to get to bed.

My stance on abortion is like many pro-choice people.... I myself would never have one, but that is my choice... I don't feel like I should be able to make that decision for anybody else...

The problem with that is, that everyone with that stance will not explain what they find wrong with abortion. If it's not murder, then it's just like getting a mass of tissue removed and shouldn't be a problem...but if it's the taking of a human life, it is morally unacceptable. See what I mean?

Oh Bethany- Its to bad your funny story about what kids say is over... (on your website) I have a new one I heard this weekend that was quite funny.... probably would have taken the gold... ;)

Oh could you please post it anyway? I don't mind if the contest is over...I'd love to hear it! :)

PIP!! I have been wondering where you went....I was going to send you an email this week if you didn't post soon! :) I'm glad to have you back, and will check out your blog now. Hope you're having a great day! Missed you!

PIP, great blog post. Can't believe your experiences with your idol, Colbert. That's great. Hey, what does this mean: "Anyway, the guest was Howard Dean, and not only did we film a toss, which is rare, but we also got to see a toss filmed for an awards ceremony (once in a lifetime babies)."

Also, when you saw the preborn babies in Body Works, did you reflect how/whether they would have been uncomfortable to view were you not pro-life?

Welcome back PIP!

Less -

Here is just one place that sells the onsie, among other things with the saying:

http://www.cafepress.com/sawrtc.105084847

on the site:

"All merchandise designed by the members of the "Support a Woman's Right to Choose" Facebook group. Proceeds will be donated to Planned Parenthood."

Onesies Logos cont'd:

Placental Abruption

Burden To Society

Scraped Off the Old Block

Dan's Third

Blackmun's Babe

Waddleton's Waif

Tiller's Tyke

Dilation Dropout

Keep Me Legal

Induced To Shreds

I'm In My 4th Trimester

Viable With a Vengeance

JM -

"My stance on abortion is like many pro-choice people.... I myself would never have one, but that is my choice... I don't feel like I should be able to make that decision for anybody else... "

Why is this statement okay only for abortion but nothing else?

"I would never murder anyone, but that is my choice, I can't make that decision for anybody else."

or

"I would never lie to anyone....."

or

"I would never cheat anyone...."

or

"I would never steal from anyone..."

see what I mean?

We, as a society, throughout the world, tell people what they can and cannot do. We've been discussing tubal ligations, and women of a certain age, with no medical problems and no children can't have one. But it is her body right? People can't have sex change opperations without specific psychological evaluations, but it is their body right? Yet when it comes to abortion, we are discussing the destruction of another human body. Why can I not tell others what they can or can't do when it comes to the destruction of another human?

We shouldn't murder because it kills a another human. We shouldn't lie because it hurts another human. We shouldn't cheat because it abuses another human. We shouldn't steal because it uses another human. But it is a 'choice' to abort which destroys a developing human. Just sounds like hypocrisy to me.

Heather4life,

I finally can get back to you after a busy weekend at work. Anyway, about your question.
When I visited and commented on a pro-choice website, I was immediately attacked as an Evangelical and Fundamentalist, they used the terms interchangably though they are two different religions. I am in fact, neither.
Name calling and profanity were rampant, to the point I had to ask them to dispense with the name calling because it made them sound so infantile.
I asked time and again for an intelligent argument for what they believe in. The response was more infantile personal attacks. My posts were deleted.
What surprised me Heather is that these are people who present themselves as such bastions of tolerance, and are the first to condemn others for intolerance. On Jill's website I notice a variety of opinions that are not deleted. I could never imagine her tolerating profanity or bigoted assaults on people. Its possible though that I have only missed such posts.
I am well aware this does NOT represent all pro-choice people. And frankly I have seen posts by pro-life people that I have found embarassing. That's why on this site I have made every effort to discourage personal attacks and name calling and ask that people stick to intelligent arguments. That's always the best offense. Name calling and personal attacks are the tactics of people who can't present a point of view with any kind of intelligence.
So if I comment to people about ending personal attacks, this is why. I'm not trying to be the schoolmarm. Its just that tactics like these sound no better, and are no more justified when they come from our side.

Mary, I was just wondering, because I have come across more than a few that were brutal! I was reading one site that did nothing but hurl insult after insult at Mother Theresa. Please excuse me for repeating this, but the "kindest"[sarcasm] thing said was "Let the wretched old hag rot in hell." I thought it must have been some sort of a sick joke. It wasn't. jasper found a similar site about the Pope. What makes people so evil?

Valerie,
Thank you for your wonderful response to JM.
I would also like to add JM that if you are pro-choice, (but would never have an abortion yourself.) You are also condoning the corrupt pro-choice movement.

The rape cover-ups, pedophillia, the deaths women suffer at the hands of abortion doctors, the RU 486 deaths that go unrecognized, the roach infested clinics that go unregulated and often include operating with unlicensed practitioners, dirty filty unsterile equipment not to mention coersion and lying by "counselers" to get women to abort, the killing of babies who have the audacity to survive abortion, and the emotional suffering of women after abortion who get no help from the clinics because they were labled "mentally unstable" when they came in for an abortion.

Also, think of all the infertility women suffer because of abortion. Think of the pre-mature babies born because they cannot be brought to full-term due weakened cervix muscles.

If pro-choice women care so much about women's health why are they so quick to negate and ignore all of the above.

Sorry to go on, but more thing to think about.
In my state, the Women's Right to Know" was passed a couple years ago. This bill was introduced to make sure women get all of the appropriate medical information regarding abortion prior to the procedure. It makes perfect sense.

But in the uusal pro-choice fashion, these women fought hard and strong against the bill.

Would these same women ever go to get say a "boob job" without talking with the doctor first at length and getting all of the medical facts prior to her decision. I am sure not!!!

This was ridiculous, just as (for another example) the reasons why they fight against bills introduced so women can veiw thier ultrasounds. The pro-choiceers claim "It will just make a women's decision so much harder."

No, it really makes women's decisions EASIER as 85%-90% of all women to see their baby on an ultrasound decide to keep their baby.

I spoke to a local pregnancy crisis center and they said occasionally they have women come in from abortion mills who do have ultrasound pictures, but they are sooooo blurred and out of focus you can't see anything but a blob of nothing which is what they want the women to believe. The pregnancy crisis center I spoke to provide new beautifully clear and accurate ultrasound pictures so the women can actually see their baby and get real sense of their live little growing baby.

You may want to read books such as Lime 5 and Blood Money to get a real sense of this legalized crime.

Jill-
Between the Daily Show and the Colbert Report, often Stephen and Jon are linked via satellite and do jokes together. Because at the end, Jon always says "let's check in with our good friend Stephen Colbert at the Colbert Report...Stephen! Hello! [part varies]", it is often referred to as the "toss." We learned that the tosses aren't usually filmed with the audience. There was an awards show that he couldn't attend, so they filmed a second "toss" as sort of a funny acceptance speech. It was great.

About the "Bodies" exhibition, yes I did think of that. It was amazing to see how advanced development was up close. I thought, "I can't believe I argued for the killing of these poor things." Kyle remarked how awesome the part was, and when I was looking at early embryonic stages a girl that was looking at them too said "I can't believe it. They are soo tiny!!" I said, "I know! Look at all those little feet and toes! And they are probably the size of a quarter!"

And yes, Colbert was super cool. All I could say for a while was "I can't believe that happened."

Oh, and thanks for the welcome, all. I decided NOT to bring my computer with me. I needed to go on true vacation, I decided, so not be distracted with internet.

Heather4life,

I wish I had an answer. I suspect it was her opposition to abortion. Again, so much for tolerance. I wonder what people are so afraid of that they fear Mother Theresa and the Pope. These are the people who claim concern for the poor, oppressed and downtrodden. Aren't these the very people Mother Theresa helped? Have any of her critics done anywhere near as much?

Mary,Not to mention my posts were deleted too.I can't even repeat what they said about aborted babies. It's just too sick to repeat.

Hi Mary, Heather,

what was the name of that blog?

Heather4life -

Didn't you know that it is perfectly acceptable to bash religion? But you can't bash anything liberal.

Let's see... just from the media:

Penn Jillette (of Penn and Teller) called Mother Teresa; Mother F(**ing Teresa, called the nuns in her order f***ing c**ts, he said that she had "this weird kink that I think is sexual", he said she got her kicks from watching people suffer and die AND compared her to Charles Manson. All this was on showtime. When people complained to showtime, it was called "artisitc freedom" and that people needed to be more "tolerant".

Bill Maher said right after Pope John Paul II died "For those who could not make the funeral, the Vatican has asked that in lieu of flowers, just stop touching your di**. " When complaints hit HBO they said that it was a free country and people can say silly things if they want.

oh - And my favorites - you can be racist when it comes to politics as long as the racism is aimed at demeaning conservatives. It was perfectly okay for people to call Condaleeza Rice and Colin Powell, Aunt Jemimah and Uncle Tom. What do you think would have happened if anyone called Cynthia McKinney or Barack Obama that?

Sandy -

I agree 100%.

PIP -

Welcome back. I'm glad you had fun and a REAL vacation!!!

jasper, there were a few. I can't remember now, because after they deleted my comments, I clicked off. I think it was Amanda's site that they were bashing Reverend Falwell. My comment was deleted there too. All because I defended the man.

I saw the Bodies exhibit and seeing fetuses didn't bother me at all. Just FYI.

Valerie,

Excellent point. Just like when Jesse Jackson referred to New York as "Hymietown". First he denied saying it, then he had a memory lapse, then he owned up to it only because the reported had recorded it. I heard little outrage. Now imagine if Jerry Falwell had done the same thing. Can you just imagine the howls of outrage from the MSM and other bastions of tolerance? I really agree with you that its a more liberal/conservative thing though.
Don Imus gets fired, and I am no fan of Don Imus, but the liberals sure run to the defense of Eminem and other rappers who denigrate and glorify violence against women and use some of the most vile racist and sexist terms. And I won't even get started on Howard Stern before he went to Sirius. The people who howled against Rush Limbaugh had no problem with this degenerate.
A definite double standard here.

I'm seeing double for sure! Penn is an athiest. I did not know this until about a week ago. Perhaps he should be the silent one...LOL. I'ts true though. Why the double standards? Clinton the [womanizing] hero. And to them Bush is the biggest jerk that ever walked the face of the earth!

Mary, I laughed so hard the day you typed Bill Clinton's flashing was just a "proposition". I'm still laughing!! It struck me as funny because it's true!!!

Valerie, I just re read your post. How sad but true it is!!

Heather4life,

I'm glad you got a laugh from it and very true it is. It was always referred to as "propositioning" though this kind of "propositioning" would get any other guy thrown in jail and registered as a sex offender. I remember columnist Ellen Goodman's pathetic and laughable attempt to "explain" why she and other feminists really didn't have an issue with Bill Clinton's, uh, antics with Paula Jones. She wrote an article questioning how a man is supposed to know a woman objects to his advances until he makes them and she makes her objections known? Also, if he stops when you say no, what's the problem?
She concluded that while Bill's antics were lewd they were not illegal, a comment that sent a couple of police officers I knew into fits of laughter.
I couldn't resist being devilish, so I wrote Ms. Goodman and asked if I could safely assume that since she feels a man can't know what advances a woman would object to until he tries and she says no, then she would have no objections to a man putting his hand up her dress or down her blouse so long as he stopped when she told him to. After all, if this standard applies for other women, then its certainly good enough for her as well. I'm still waiting for a response.

PIP it sounds like you had an AWESOME vacation!!!!

Mary, once again I can't help but laugh![still laughing] Thank you for the post/entertainment. Every once in a while it feels good to "lighten up."

Heather4Life-- You asked this question awhile ago, but I figured I would try to answer for you why any (decent) man would be pro-choice- "the only guys that are going to agree with pro choice women are irresponsible men. Give me a good reason why a male would be pro choice."

My fiancee is pro-choice, and is the single most responsible human being I know. If I were to become pregnant unexpectedly some day, I know he would want me to continue the pregnancy. He has told me he would leave school and "put everything I have into supporting my family". He would sacrifice/put on hold his career for me and our potential children. So, obviously- not irresponsible, not trying shirk his "duty" etc. But still pro-choice. Why? Because he cares about me, and he knows that if I were to ever tell him I couldn't continue a pregnancy, it would be because I COULDN'T do it- emotionally, or physically, or mentally. He wouldn't want me to sacrifice my mental, emotional or physical well-being for a fetus. Because he understands that unfortunately, not every pregnancy is wanted, or planned, or safe. And because he realizes it's not his body- it's mine. So yes, it is very possible for a man to be pro-choice for unselfish reasons. I personally believe that pro-life men are the most selfish- asking women to do something that they themselves could never do, oftentimes at great risk to their own personal health. I recall reading a comment written on a blog by a man who had nearly lost his wife due to complications from her pregnancy, and they had decided to terminate. This male commentator said straight out that even if his wife were at great risk of dying, he would never let her abort "his baby"- if that's indicative of pro-life men, ya'll can keep them! I'll take my unselfish pro-choice guy.

Valerie,

Thank you for informing us of Penn Jillette and his vile comments about Mother Theresa and her order. I wonder if it occurs to him that his vile sexist comments insult and denigrate ALL women, just as calling a black person a n----- insults and denigrates all black people.
Of course, these bastions of tolerance such as Penn Jillett and Bill Maher would no doubt be horrified at any suggestion that they are sexist or bigoted.
It does seem that liberals can more easily disguise their bigotry as "artistic freedom" and "freedom of speech".

Sara,

You contradict yourself. You say this man's wife nearly lost her life from pregnancy complications and they decided to terminate, then say he would never allow her to terminate even if she was at great risk.
Also, don't you have an issue with any woman who would allow a man to control her like this? The woman doesn't need his permission to do whatever is necessary to save her life.

Sara, It wouldn't really matter to me what the guy wanted me to do. I DID have a guy ask me to have an abortion. I guess he was pro Choice. He was also physically abusive. I told him that an abortion was out of the question, and I also told him, "Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!" I told him to get lost permanently.

Sara, 10:11p, said: "if I were to ever tell him I couldn't continue a pregnancy, it would be because I COULDN'T do it- emotionally, or physically, or mentally."

The chances of your physical life being endangered by pregnancy are slim to none, in which case it has always been legal to abort.

In reality, it is more likely you would abort because you "emotionally... or mentally" couldn't handle what billions and billions of other women have through the ages.

This doesn't say much for your stability. It doesn't say much for modern-day feminism either. They've turned you into wilting flowers.

Heather4life

What a hoot! Go Girl!!

Mary-

I'm sorry if I wasn't more clear. One man wrote the original blog post about how is wife nearly died due to pregnancy complications and he (while she was unconscious) was asked by her doctors if they should terminate the pregnancy - and he opted to terminate the pregnancy, saving his wife's life. There was a second man who responded to the original blogger who said that he would have let his wife die before he would have given permission for the termination. So on one hand we have pro-choice guy who saved his wife's life by acting as her agent while she was unable to give consent for the procedure, and on the other hand we have pro-life guy who said he would have let his wife die before allowing her to terminate.

Heather4Life- I'm sorry you had that experience. But just because you had a "pro-choice" guy ask you to abort doesn't mean all men who support a woman's right to choose are jerks who expect their SO's to abort every unplanned pregnancy. But there are many more wondeful pro-choice guys out there. I gave you the example of my fiancee. Who would never ask me or expect me to have an abortion, but would support me if I decided I needed one. I'm glad you did what your conscience told you was right and didn't succumb to pressure from him. That's a totally pro-choice act- you chose to continue your pregnancy because it was best for you- and I think that's wonderful.

And Jill--

Hmmm, so saying that I may not be at a point in my life where I can be the type of parent a child deserves makes me "unstable"? I don't think so. More like I my life is completely stable now, but the changes a pregnancy would bring would de-stabilize it. Which is why I'm not getting pregnant.

"The chances of your physical life being endangered by pregnancy are slim to none, in which case it has always been legal to abort."

Jill- Had the South Dakota abortion ban been upheld, this wouldn't have been true. And if the odds are so slim that pregnancy would endanger my life (you say knowing nothing about my physical health) it's odd that I've known two young women who have had their lives endangered by pregnancy, and their health pretty much ruined. But that never happens, right? It's just made up by pro-choicers to scare women? I wish you were right, and that women never needed to have abortions to preserve their own life and health. But that isn't the case. And what's more, you know it.

And modern-feminism certainly hasn't turned me into a "wilting flower" (that certainly made me laugh)- billions of other women have had to handle unplanned pregnancy because they couldn't acquire a safe and hygienic abortion. Not because they were stronger, or braver, or more moral. They just had no options (short of procuring an illegal abortion). Billions of other women throughout human history have died in labor, or been forced into poverty caring for yet another child they can't afford, or been forced to abandon their children to orphanages, in the time before abortion was legal in the US. This still happens around the world when women can't plan their families. Feminism has made it possible for me to achieve my goals without the threat of an unplanned pregnancy de-railing it all. I can speak up to people like you who would take away my right to bodily autonomy because of feminism. I don't think that makes me a wilting flower because I refuse to follow rules that other people have set out for me.

Heather4Life- I'm sorry you had that experience. But just because you had a "pro-choice" guy ask you to abort doesn't mean all men who support a woman's right to choose are jerks who expect their SO's to abort every unplanned pregnancy. But there are many more wondeful pro-choice guys out there.

Dont you see the fallacy in your logic, Sara? You just came here, posting about how you would prefer pro-choice men because they're all so open minded, but would reject pro-life men based on a comment by one pro-life man...or let's say a few pro-life men, as I'm sure you'll come back saying you've seen others. Don't you think it's a little hypocritical to judge all pro-lifers by a handful of pro-lifers, if one cannot judge pro-choicers by the same criteria?

Hmmm, so saying that I may not be at a point in my life where I can be the type of parent a child deserves makes me "unstable"? I don't think so.

The idea that women aren't capable of overcoming tough situations is not a very feminist, pro-woman idea. It makes them appear to be weaklings. Less capable than men.

Sara,

Thank you for the clarification. However, if the woman's life was in danger, and she is unresponsive, the hospital and her doctors would have every legal right to do what is necessary to save her life without anyone's permission. Emergency Room personnel do that all the time. We never sat around waiting for permission to treat an unresponsive patient. Or a responsive one either for that matter!
Thankfully, it wouldn't be his legal option to "allow" her to die.

Mary, I don't want to disappoint you, but I don't think Ms. Goodman will be writing you anytime soon.... LOL! I'll give you an A+ for effort though.

Heather4life,

I never stood on one leg waiting for it to happen! I just couldn't resist being devilish!

Normally, this is referred to as a "onesie," but PP Offers a "Nonesie"

lol :D

luv your site!

E--I like your "Nonesie." . . .

For you folks debating mom's-life-versus-kid's-life, why don't we just try to save them both?

Instead of millions for embryonic stem cell research, why don't we spend some $ on transplanting ectopic babies into the womb?
That way, instead of one dead baby and one grieving mom who is missing a baby and a fallopian tube, we'd have a healthy mom and healthy baby carrying on gestation!