Turns out my site was out of space! This was actually a good problem, indicative of the jump in activity since the first of the year, due in large part to your participation, which has made this a much more interesting place to visit.

I've upgraded with my server, rebuilt the site, and things look good! Yeah! Sorry again for the inconvenience. Thanks to Peter and Tim for dropping many things to help me yesterday.

I had a dream you were killing kittens and trying to get people to eat them. My dreams mimic real life. Odd.

Jess,

Guilty conscience?

Jess, wrong site?

You know what would be really handy... if we could actually tab from the Name: to Email address: to URL... It's pretty annoying for people who tab betweeen fields when they don't end up at the next field but instead end up elsewhere on the page (the search option in this case).

"Guilty conscience?"
That doesn't male much sense. I don't even eat hamburgers, why would I eat a kitten. I think Jill kind of scares me. I mean she seems really unloving, like she wouldn't stop to let a turtle cross the road. What does she do for society other then complain? Does she adopt children? Volunteer at a soup kitchen? I think she's just in this for the power, not any of you, just her.

I thought I heard a baby crying outside (I live in the middle of nowhere) so I went to my window to look. It turned out to be a kitten. I went outside to see if it wanted some milk or something but when I got out it wasn't there anymore. For some reason there have been a lot of strays around here lately. I've heard that some people just abandon unwanted dogs and cats near the woods. People should just be jailed for that because it's really wrong and sad. What do cats eat anyways? Like, besides catnip?

"Guilty conscience?"
That doesn't male much sense. I don't even eat hamburgers, why would I eat a kitten. I think Jill kind of scares me. I mean she seems really unloving, like she wouldn't stop to let a turtle cross the road. What does she do for society other then complain? Does she adopt children? Volunteer at a soup kitchen? I think she's just in this for the power, not any of you, just her.

Jess, have you read Jill's biography, of how she worked at a hospital who she later found was performing live birth abortions? Did you read about how Jill held a baby who was aborted alive in her own arms, and she was severly bothered that this could happen to a child in America, so bothered in fact that she was behind the infants born alive protection act?

The people in this story who I would be afraid of "eating kittens" or some other such awful deed, in my opinion, are the people who would leave a child to die on a shelf. Not the woman who protects those children who are being abandoned without mercy.

You guys sure do have your values messed up, if you believe a person who would let a baby be born at viability, and left on a shelf to die, has better morals and kindness than a woman who worked hard to protect these babies.

Did she attempt to saves its life? Just wondering. And why was it "aborted alive" in the first place? It was a Christian hospitial, so it must have been because of a health threat to the mother. Why doesn't Jill try to find a cure for, or spend her time promoting awarness of, the illness that caused that to happen in the first place.

Jess,

You're killin' me here. First of all, read Jill's bio. It's at the top of the page. Second of all Jill has devoted her entire life to ending abortion. Through legislature, giving talks and this website which allows open and honest debate...

And thirdly, hearing about how you want to save the kitties and jail their abusers but are all for ripping infants to shreds and sucking them through vacuum cleaners is just a little too much to wade through.

And you've adopted how many children? And the soup kitchen you volunteer at is where? And you're teaching how many kids to read? Driving how many little old ladies to the grocery store?
Cleaning how many shut-ins bathrooms?

Instead of sitting around complaining about Jill why are you out their promoting awareness of, well anything that is involved in death?

Why is she wasting her time on the pro-life cause...?

C'mon everyone, all together now...

Because it's her CHOICE!

You know what I meant...

Instead of sitting around complaining about Jill why are'NT you out their promoting awareness of, well anything that is'NT involved in death?

"Did she attempt to saves its life? Just wondering. And why was it "aborted alive" in the first place?"

Why aren't you asking why the mother didn't attempted to save his life? The mother GAVE BIRTH to that child, how in the hell would letting him die on a shelf save her life? Give me a break!

Speaking of turtles, I grew up with a lake on one side of my house and a marsh on the other, literally (Cedar Lake, IN).

The story goes my grandfather happened upon a large snapping turtle crossing the road. The turtle snapped on to a stick my grandfather held in front of its nose, and my grandfather hoisted the turtle by the stick into a trailer on the back of his car.

When my grandfather lopped off the turtle's head to make soup, the turtle did not let go of the stick.

Dream about that, Jess, as you psychologically deal with your concern for animal welfare juxtaposed to your support of preborn baby killing, projecting your feelings of guilt on to me by subliminally telling yourself my supposed anti-PETA position justifies your pro-abortion position. (My, that one was easy.)

PS - I received the baby too late to save him. You only have a 5-6 minute window for that.

Cameron, 3p, can you dial that down a notch and explain what you mean as if you were talking to an old person? (Can't say, "talking to a 5th grader," because a 5th grader would likely understand what you wrote.)

Jill, I think what cameron means is that when you push the "tab" key to go to the next box from "name", your site takes you to the "search the site" box instead of "email address".

Hmm that is odd. Wonder why it does that. I have never actually used the tab key on this... once I entered my information once I didn't have to enter it again after I checked "remember me".

Yes... what Lauren said (TY). Nothing major, just a minor nuisance.

Kitten; the other white meat. MMMMMMM!

I don't claim to be anything more then I am, and you can't really know me over the internet. For all you know I'm Jills double personality. It's just that I don't go out every day trying to save the world (or at least a billion babies), I try to make the best of my life and be the best person I can be first. I just think trying to make abortion illegal is the easy way out. Like ending slavery, sure the slaves were free but did their lives change all that much? Think of share cropping, jim crow laws, the kkk. We need to think a little harder.

And before you start yelling about how I'm racist or something I'm just saying it was kind of stupid to just say, "your free" and expect these people to all of a sudden enjoy the rights of a free person, the ability to go where they want and do as they please. And it was stupid to think all of the former slave owners would accept their former slaves as equals.

OH my goodness.

Jess, in your opinion, should slavery still be legal?

No, slavery should not be legal.
"OH my goodness"
Oh no! Someone doesn't care for white power!
Honestly, like the serfs in Tzarist Russia, they were freed then told, "ok, now you have to pay for your house, your food the mandatory education and pay taxes." I mean the US goverment just basically abandoned all Southern African Americans in the 1870's. I mean an African American could be jailed if they weren't working and could they work for themselves or other African Americans? No. Any African American that was at all successful would be lynched. Even as late as the 1950's an African American boy was murdered for whisteling at a white woman. And you think it was enough to just say, "your free, now be successful"? I think as a nation we still enslave our people by this cycle of ignorance and poverty, the gap is growing every year between rich or poor and you think it was enough to just say, "you're free"? That didn't even brush the tip of the iceburg. And now you just want our goverment to say, "abortion is bad, don't do it"? Where will that lead us? You say pro-lifers take care of children that are born but I have never seen a pro-life site that had any information on goverment aid or how to manage your money. Planned Parenthood does that. But you people want to see them gone. Well the freedom riders weren't very popular either.

No, slavery should not be legal.
"OH my goodness"
Oh no! Someone doesn't care for white power!

No, seeing someone who seems to think that it would have been better not to have made slavery illegal, is what my "oh my goodness" was about. I just couldn't believe you had the gall to say that. Course, how could I really be surprised, with all you just said to Jill above?

Honestly, like the serfs in Tzarist Russia, they were freed then told, "ok, now you have to pay for your house, your food the mandatory education and pay taxes." I mean the US goverment just basically abandoned all Southern African Americans in the 1870's. I mean an African American could be jailed if they weren't working and could they work for themselves or other African Americans? No. Any African American that was at all successful would be lynched. Even as late as the 1950's an African American boy was murdered for whisteling at a white woman. And you think it was enough to just say, "your free, now be successful"?

And this in your opinion, is the result of slavery being made illegal? Or was it the result of bad people who had been engulfed in this culture of "black people are not human beings and therefore deserve to be treated as trash", and still clung to it? It takes a long time for things like this to adjust. I don't think anyone was "stupid" enough to believe that slavery or racism would immediately disappear after personhood of slaves was legally established.
Is it difficult to fathom that there are bad people out there who will do terrible things regardless of laws?

However, now that we HAVE these laws against slavery, against hate crimes, etc....anyone who breaks these laws, and owns a slave, is a CRIMINAL, not a justified citizen.

I think as a nation we still enslave our people by this cycle of ignorance and poverty, the gap is growing every year between rich or poor and you think it was enough to just say, "you're free"?

Whats your solution, Jess?

Do you know any black people who are enslaved today?

That didn't even brush the tip of the iceburg. And now you just want our goverment to say, "abortion is bad, don't do it"? Where will that lead us?

Eventually it will lead us to almost no abortions. It may take time for people to adjust to the fact that the fetus is actually a person, just as it took time for people to adjust to the fact that slaves were persons. This isn't the fault of pro-life, or the laws against abortion. Its the fault of the evil, discriminating mindsets of people who think that they can kill people based on their age.

You say pro-lifers take care of children that are born but I have never seen a pro-life site that had any information on goverment aid or how to manage your money.

Jess, I invite you to stop by a CPC one day. There are 1,000 more CPC's than there are planned parenthoods, and each of those CPC's give advice and referrals to help women with their finances and give them things they need for free...including housing! Most CPC workers are volunteers too, doing this out of their own time, from their hearts for these women. Can you say the same for planned parenthood?

Per Jess:
"and you can't really know me over the internet."

And again Per Jess:
"I mean she seems really unloving, like she wouldn't stop to let a turtle cross the road."

What a piece of work.

Also Jess,if you haven't ran away yet, since you are such an animal rights supporter and don't eat hamburger but are an abortion rights supporter... would you support a cow's right to abortion???

I just really want someone who is vegetarian to answer this question!!

Sandy, good question. Is it any wonder that celebrity Kathy Najimy supports PETA and signed Ms. Magazine's I HAD AN ABORTION petition! I don't think she's had an acting job in years. HA!

If a cow could talk and tell me she wanted an abortion, yes that would be her right. And no, I have said I do not think slavery should be legal. You obviously have no idea about poverty in this country. What does freedom really mean? Feeling good about yourself? And are you really free? I mean, you have to work because if you don't you'll have no money to do anything that freedom entails. Oh, you can move. Well, you couldn't in the early 1900's if you were black. You obviously have never read "Black Boy". And to travel you need money, and it's so expensive you'd kill yourself working your minimum wage job to save it up. You would be working minimum wage because you wouldn't be college educated because college is too expensive. Honestly think about things outside of the white bread box.

And it's my uterus, I should have the right to get it emptied.

I heard a lot of rambling, but no solution offered...