"the partial-birth abortion law was "not going to stop any abortions, as such," and that abortions are "still going to take place by other means." "

Yes, means which are less safe for women.

I'm actually confused by this beef between pro-lifers and pro-lifers. Could it turn into Catholics vs. Protestants? Or is it more like Republicans for Bush vs. Republicans who are desperately trying to distance themselves from Bush for their own political gain?

Hmmm....

Anybody wanna write a paper for me?

Hopefully it won't turn into Crips vs. Bloods.

Anyone for that paper?

Anyone?

Bueller?

Sorry, JK my son got on to look at boobahs.

I read a good "pro-purist" paper over here-

http://lookontherightside.blogspot.com/2007/06/jill-staneks-article-in-worldnetdaily.html

Ahh...

I was actually looking for one about Florence, Italy

I think if I were pro-life I would be an incrementalist. There is never going to be a point where the purist camp will be happy, as there is no end-all fix to abortion. Isn't it better to be happy with small victories that may lead to bigger ones down the road than to reject those small victories and have nothing done to further your cause.

I thought you were looking for a paper detailing the prolife split as you said you were "confused". Oh well.

I think wide-spread abortion can win, but not by simple legislation.

*wide-spread abortion can diappear

Blah, I don't know what happened there!

Sorry for the confusion

:-)

&
Ooooo...Freudian slip?

Haha maybe. My son gave me a bottle of water and I guess I lost my train of thought.

Must be the flouride in the water

;-)

In most of my personal views I support incremental-ism. Itd be great if everything were done at once, but in most cases that's nigh impossible. Better to make at least some advances rather than nothing at all in my own view.

just out of curiosity, anyone ever take some poli-sci classes while in college? Just another contender for my major in a year or two.

Cant believe Im going to be a senior as of monday afternoon. Scary thought.

I took PS 101 in college, it was basically just an intro to government class so I can't really say anything about it as a major.

Though, contrary to popular (Fox News watchers) belief, the professor was not a raving liberal lunatic set on destroying the upbringing of his students by corrupting them with liberal ideologies. He always presented subject matter in a fair and balanced manner. He was a real funny guy, too. When he made jokes he would make them at the expense of all sides of the political spectrum.

My sister will also be a senior next year

What are the other contenders for your major?

History and Education.

I'd say History would be an interesting major, but not one that you could easily turn into a career.

Of course, I'm an Art major, so I have absolutely no room to talk.

yeah, history essentially brings me to teaching and/or writing. If I teach i want to teach at a college level. Yay for a lot of really long research papers.

Education would lead you to teaching as well.....:-) with poli-sci you could be president! or George Stefanopoulos.

I could never write long research papers. For example, I am trying to write a two page (single spaced) paper right now, and I have one sentence written.

Sometimes I can't even read the titles of people's doctorate dissertations.....

lol JK, (usually I hate that combination, but seeing as how its the name... ;) )

eh, with poli-sci id probably rather just be some sort of advisor or something. I wouldn't want to run for political positions myself, I'm too honest and not slick enough ;)

Though I do like debates....nah ;)

I do OK with research papers, my content is usually fine, its the actual grammar and mechanics I have issues with

I'm a short and sweet person myself. If I try to stretch things to fit a page requirement I tend to come off as ridiculously corny.

yup. My research paper for APUS was something like 5 pages too short, and she still gave me a 65/70 for content. I lost all my points in grammar/mechanics for the most part. I got a 78 overall i think. Ii could have re-wrote it and gotten up to an 82, but I decided it wasnt worth it.

When its something I like talking about though I can go on forever. My only issue is that I can forget what else I wanted to say and end up being repetitive. I can go on forever about politics a lot though. I actually decided to start my own little political blog, lol. I doubt I'll get many hits, and it wont be consistently updated, but its nice to know my views are out there for people to read if they feel like it or have the patience, lol

Jk, totally off topic... just went to your deviant art page again. Your "me x four" picture is neat, and brings back memories. :) I did something like that a few years ago...now looking back on it, it's very choppy (you can see borders and it looks bad) but it's been a while:

http://www.sketchesbybethany.net/mex4.jpg

Bethany,
That's great! I know how hard it is dealing with borders and making them blend right. :-) There's a part of mine that's really messed up, I saw it once I had already posted it and now its the only thing I can see when I look at it.

Dan,
Its great of your teacher to be so forgiving about page length. I had a professor once that gave me a C because my computer was being funny and adding an extra line between each paragraph, even though I had the right number of pages.
It sounds like you would be good as a poli-sci major, but you should definitely keep your options open and take a lot of general ed classes your first year to see what you like the best.

I don't think shes forgiving, I think she just forgot to keep counting, either that or she liked how I was able to give the same amount of info, just condensed. Sucks about that paper though, I got points off on a few of my essays for the same reason earlier this year, had something to do with the way the settings were interacting.

Thanks for the compliment, and I will be.

LOL Jk, isn't that always the case? I find that in all of my artwork, I see the flaws, even if others can't see it, that's all I can see. I looked at your picture and tried to find the flaw, but can't find it.

Its beside the arm of the most prominent "me" on the left.

I can't keep any of my paintings in my apartment because a lot of times I can't stand looking at them, and other times I will look at them analyzing them so much that I become sick of looking at them too.

It is absolutely phenomenal how the threads on this site
most always denigrate into discussions that have
nothing to do with the topic at hand.

That said:

"Linton tries to defend the PBA effort nonetheless claiming that, �in the long term, the Court's decision upholding the law would have a great impact,� to which CRTL V.P. Leslie Hanks replies, �the fifteen years wasted on the PBA ban WAS the long term, and all pro-lifers got for their money, prayers, and tears was a �pro-life� ban that allows for babies to be partially-born up to �the navel� and then killed, and a Supreme Court ruling that suggests abortionists may devise �less shocking methods to abort the fetus.��"

Good point lesforlife. There is NO victory at all as far as "the right to life" is concerned for the preborn in the recent Supreme Court ruling. It was an almost total waste of time, money and effort.

JK asked:

"Isn't it better to be happy with small victories that may lead to bigger ones down the road than to reject those small victories and have nothing done to further your cause[?]"

The creation of a new pro-abortion law telling the public that its permissable to violently murder a preborn baby is NOT a "victory" in ANY way!

God is a purist and He expects His children to be purists as well. God has NEVER approved of or endorsed a strategy of incrementalism. The incrementalists are not wiser than God.

And I have to add, there are a many factors that influence the number of babies aborted in the USA. First of all, we basicly have to trust Planned Barrenhood and other abortion groups and businesses in their reporting of the number of abortions performed. Some might consider this a stretch to say this, but these are vile groups of people who violently slaughter babies each week don't seem to be the kind of people who would have a problem with not reporting some abortions in order to keep a few $1000 of it from being taxed.

Along with that is the fact that more and more guys and gals are having gay sex where it is impossible to become pregnant and have a baby aborted.

Add to that longer term birth control (as opposed to the daily pill) that must be removed for a while in order to be able to get pregnant again.

And then there is emergency contraception or chemical abortions that seem to be on the increase. Those babies that are aborted very near their creation do not end up being slaughtered @ a killing center.