Overturn Roe?
That will GUARANTEE Hillary's trip to the Oval Office without outlawing abortion.
Works for me. Do it...

Overturn Roe! It's out of hand! I think that it should come to this; If you want to kill your baby, you'd better have a damn good reason! Otherwise, you should not be allowed to proceed.

Heather4Life: Overturn Roe! It's out of hand! I think that it should come to this; If you want to kill your baby, you'd better have a damn good reason! Otherwise, you should not be allowed to proceed.
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Killing babies will always be illegal in this country.
It's just not nice.

Abortion, however, is an ENTIRELY different matter, and overturning Roe will not outlaw abortion.

What will it do then?

Laura, the only difference in abortion and infanticide is location.

Abortion will actually remain legal in most states even if Roe is overturned.

Then what will overturning it mean?

Can someone please explain what overturning Roe will do?

Overturning Roe v. Wade would just send it to the states to decide. What we would need to outlaw abortion in all 50 states is a national ban similar to Roe.

Lauren, thank you. It sounds like a good start to me.

Did anyone watch the Democratic CNN/YouTube debates last night? It was pretty interesting, and Obama was kicking @$$.

For you Chicagoans, please be careful. A friend of mine went to PP the other day to have her annual check-up/exam and when she came out, some members of the CAB [Chicago Aryan Brotherhood] jumped her and her mulatto boyfriend.

CAB has been hanging around Chicago PP's for a few months now, and I've been hearing a lot of stories. Please guys, be careful, be safe, and don't do anything rash.

Anywho, I'm off to celebrate my birthday. Have a good one!

Danny, Happy birthday!

If overturning Roe will make no difference, then why all the concern about overturning it? I would think pro-choice groups wouldn't even concern themselves with this. Also, if the vast majority of the American people truly support abortion, as abortion advocates claim, then legislatures in each state will pass laws supporting abortion. So, what's the problem?

Danny,

Happy birthday!! Its great to see you back. Please visit more oftern. While you're here, how long do boas usually get? I don't know what kind my daughter's roommate has but it doesn't look very big right now.

Mary, Hello. I was glad that Lauren was able to clarify for me. I still don't fully understand though. Would this mean that each state will decide if abortion will remain legal in that particular state?

I long for the day that justice will be done and the guilt from all of these deaths will be removed from my shoulders," McCorvey said in a statement announcing the intent of the motion. "I want to do everything in my power to help women and their children.

"The issue is justice for the unborn, justice in this case because it was fraudulent, and justice for what is right."

McCorvey filed the motion with the federal district court in Dallas, which ruled to legalize abortion in Texas before the Supreme Court ruling. The Texas attorney general's office and Dallas district attorney each have 20 days to respond to the motion.

But abortion-rights groups think McCorvey won't get far in her legal battle.

"I don't believe that the courts are going to take this seriously in any sort of legal framework," said Planned Parenthood (search) spokeswoman Elizabeth Toledo. "We know that the majority of Americans still support the right to choose and for reproductive freedom for women."

"It has no chance because the Supreme Court has endorsed and reinforced Roe v. Wade consistently since it came out in 1973," agreed Fox News' senior judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano.

More technology exists now than it did 30 years ago, McCorvey told Fox News Tuesday, such as three-dimensional sonograms that can show women that the fetus growing inside of them is viable.

Whereas the argument over when life begins was a philosophical one 30 years ago, it now is a scientific one that says life begins at conception, McCorvey said.

"We're just trying to warn women that they do have other alternatives to abortion," McCorvey told Fox News.

"There's is no doubt there's an enormous wealth of info we have now in 2003 that we did not have in 1973 ? that cannot be ignored," Olivia Gans of the anti-abortion group, National Right to Life (search), told Fox News Tuesday. "The overwhelming majority of Americans are deeply troubled" at the number of abortions completed every year, she said, putting that number at 1.5 million.

There were 1.3 million abortions performed in the U.S. in 2000, the last year statistics were available, according to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, a non-profit corporation for reproductive health research. In a poll conducted by the Pew Research Center, more than six in 10 said they oppose completely overturning Roe v. Wade.

After arguing the pro-choice side of the abortion debate for years, McCorvey in 1995 converted to Roman Catholicism and is now 100 percent pro-life.

"I'm not anti-abortion, I'm pro-life," she said.

McCorvey and more than 1,000 other women who have had abortions are including statements in the petition to the court on how abortions have affected their lives.

Among the effects, the women say they: became alcoholics; "hated life in general," were "unable to bond with anyone;" suffered from depression, various medical problems, years of mood swings and eating disorders, panic disorder and promiscuity, post-abortion syndrome; "felt empty inside;" "lack of ability to deal adequately with true love and sex in marriage;" went to therapy for anger and other symptoms; and "I'm always thinking about my unborn child."

McCorvey's lawyer, Allan Parker, lead attorney for the Texas-based Justice Foundation (search), said recent changes in law make the court's decision no longer just.

"Why do women have abortions? Because they don't think they can take care of the child," Parker told Fox News.

"I believe with all my heart that it's time for the country to re-examine the social experiment that was abortion," Parker said.

He said it often takes years for women to feel and realize the effects abortion has on them.

"For many women, it takes 10 or 15 years of denial before they finally recognize what they've done before they finally seek counseling," he said.

But it will take more than just another bout of legal wrangling to shatter the opinion of many Americans that what a woman does in her private life should be in her control, Toledo argued.

"I think most people agree that preventing unintended pregnancies should be a priority in our healthcare systems," she said. "I think the place where people depart is the intrusion of government and politicians ... intruding into our own personal decision making."

McCorvey began her association with one of the most controversial issues in this country in 1970, when she became "Jane Roe," the lead plaintiff in the class-action lawsuit filed to challenge the anti-abortion laws in Texas.

The case was appealed to the Supreme Court, which handed down its controversial ruling on Jan. 22, 1973. The decision legalized the right to an abortion in all 50 states.

McCorvey, who was 21 when the case was filed and was on her third pregnancy, never had an abortion and gave birth to a girl, who was given up for adoption. In the 1980s, McCorvey went public with her identity and wrote a book about her life titled I Am Roe: My Life, Roe v. Wade, and Freedom of Choice.

Although there have been many challenges to Roe v. Wade in the past 30 years, McCorvey's legal team says her case is different because the plaintiff is actually asking for the case to be overturned.

Under certain rules of law, parties can seek relief from an earlier court order that is no longer supported by law.

Parker cited a 1997 decision in the case of Agostini v. Felton, in which the Supreme Court used a post-judgment motion by the plaintiff to overturn the original decision. In the original case decided in 1985, the court prohibited New York City from allowing public school teachers to teach in parochial schools.

Twelve years later, petitioners -- some of which were teachers bound by that injunction -- wanted the decision dropped, saying laws and educational policy passed since then made legal what the original injunction was designed to prevent. In a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court allowed public school teachers to tutor private school students in their private schools.

Napolitano said, however, that that decision only allows prevailing litigants to ask for a rule change if they were the only ones affected by the original decision.

"The result of Roe v. Wade is that millions and millions and millions of women learned that abortion was available to them," he said. "The court would never allow one litigant to change the law of the land."

McCorvey's legal team claims there are three major arguments to reopen and overturn the case:

? There is more evidence being submitted proving the harmful effects of abortions on women now that should outweigh McCorvey's single, original testimony 30 years ago arguing for abortion.

? The question of when life begins has been answered by scientific evidence within the past 30 decades.

? Various "Baby Moses" laws in 40 states say the states will take care of a child if the mother cannot, providing an alternative to abortion.

Fox News' Mike Tobin and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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oops.2nd half of what Norma McCorvey had to say.

oops.2nd half of what Norma McCorvey had to say.
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Norma McCorvey is a 9th grade drop-out and former carnival barker and prostitute who put one child up for adoption, and lost two to the State of Texas due to her alcohol and drug addictions. When Choice advocates no longer felt like supporting her generic vodka-soaked ass (much less getting her out of jail and making up for her slurred babbling at public speaking events) she was purchased by the right-to-life people at TRULY bargain prices.
Maybe she could try getting a job...

Heather4life,

Its my understanding that the abortion issue would be sent back to the states for the voters and legislatures to decide on, which has pretty much been going on anyway, much to the chagrin of abortion advocates. As you know, NARAL has state by state statistics of abortion laws, clinic closings, etc. which in their own words gives the nation as a whole "a dismal D-". Peculiar indeed, given their claims that the majority of the American people support abortion.
I remember one magazine explaining pro-life state laws by claiming the legislature was "under the influence of the Roman Catholic Church". When I reminded these geniuses, who obviously slept through their middle school civics class, that the voters and not the Catholic Church put the legislators in office, they responded by telling me that since some of the legislators are Catholic, this influenced the vote. I asked for the exact number of Catholic legislators, as well as for the number of members who were of the various Protestant denominations, and the numbers of Jewish, agnostic, and atheist members. Certainly you folks did your research before making this claim. Not surprisingly, I never got an answer.

I'd be a babbling drunk too if I were responsible for helping to legalize abortion. I'll bet you would think she was the greatest thing since sliced bread had she remained pro choice.

Can you imagine her guilt? Maybe the pro life side didn't BUY her. Maybe they helped her. Had she looked for any help from the side of CHOICE, she just might have taken the bridge.

I didn't want to believe some of the stories I had read about women seeking solace from the CHOICE side following their abortion. Some women claim that they were ridiculed, laughed at, told; "You have issues," had the abortion clinic hang up the phone on them, etc. Laura, you have proven this to be true. The way you talk about Norma McCorvey is despicible.

Mary, that sounds about right!

Jill,
curiouser, and curiouser....

When Choice advocates no longer felt like supporting her generic, drunk, vodka soaked ass? Let me stop you right there. I'm sure your team still has PLENTY of generic Vodka soaked asses on it. LOL!

Oooops! I forgot about the part where she came out as a lesbian. (Apparently I offended Heather's "significant other.")

Norma McCorvey

She just happened to be the woman at the center of the most contentious sociopolitical issue of the last quarter-century. Norma McCorvey was a pregnant, 22-year-old, ninth-grade dropout who was abused as a kid, raped as a teen and beaten by her husband when she was just 16. In 1973, the Supreme Court ruled on her case, Roe v. Wade, and the decision legalized abortion nationwide.

Though McCorvey later became an alcoholic and drug abuser, she came out as a lesbian in the mid-1980s with her autobiography I Am Roe: My Life, Roe v. Wade, and Freedom of Choice. Once out, she worked at several abortion clinics and had a long-term lesbian lover. Then, McCorvey says, after 28 years of guilt-induced drug binges, she jumped to the other side. “Being ‘Jane Roe’ and working in the reality of death at various abortion clinics, it began to eat away at my soul,” she claims. “God was my saving grace that literally saved my life.”

In 1995, McCorvey joined Operation Rescue and two years later founded Roe No More Ministry, a nonprofit dedicated to her new pro-life mission. She also wrote another autobiography, Won By Love, in which she explains how her work in the abortion industry led her to drug use and suicide attempts.

But is she still a lesbian? McCorvey says she hasn’t had any kind of relationship since 1991 and hasn’t met many gay women who’ve been moved by her pro-life mission. “Just about everyone I know in the pro-life [movement] is straight,” she says. “I did, however, meet a woman some years ago who told me at a dinner she had had a lesbian relationship, so I asked her to repent and that was about it.”

Sharon Bottoms

Norma McCorvey is a 9th grade drop-out and former carnival barker and prostitute who put one child up for adoption, and lost two to the State of Texas due to her alcohol and drug addictions. When Choice advocates no longer felt like supporting her generic vodka-soaked ass (much less getting her out of jail and making up for her slurred babbling at public speaking events) she was purchased by the right-to-life people at TRULY bargain prices.
Maybe she could try getting a job...

Laura, way to GO! You really need to pat yourself on the back! Every time you post, you show your oh so loving concern towards all women who are suffering. And you do it so well,too!

Give her a hand, everyone! Laura has spoken!

Wow! All of you who prayed for the demise of a Supreme Court justice may have just received your wish.
I got my wish when I found out it was ROBERTS.
Apparently he collapsed and has been carted off in an ambulance.

What's your point? I thought you pro choicers considered yourselves "bastions of tolerance."

Laura, what? You don't accept lesbians? However, you support abortion? HMMMMMM. Bethany, this is a clear cut case of a PC moron who thinks she knows everything. She's a regular Einstein.

What's your point? I thought you pro choicers considered yourselves "bastions of tolerance."

Oh people like Laura are tolerant, Heather....as long as it's towards people who they can use at the time! Once they've served their purpose, they can go eat dirt for all people like Laura care!

Heather, no kidding! A little Einstein in our midst. We should all be bowing and scraping.

Bethany, that's what these nutty pro choicers told McCorvey. They chewed her up, spit her out, and told her to "go pound salt!"

Suffering?
She has all of you ignorant Jeezoid SUCKERS paying her bills. She's not suffering. (Carnival barkers have a gift for picking easy marks.)

Oh! Goody! So do you also believe that no one who lives off of the government is suffering?

Laura, what? You don't accept lesbians? However, you support abortion? HMMMMMM. Bethany, this is a clear cut case of a PC moron who thinks she knows everything. She's a regular Einstein.
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I don't accept lesbians?
Where did I say that?
You want Roe v. Wade overturned and you didn't even know what it was or what it did? Who's the moron?

Overturning Roe is inevitable:

People will then will be able to decide in which state they want to live based on whether they kill babies rather than having it forced down their throats by the Feds. Now that's true choice.

Yeah, Heather...they loved her and openly proclaimed what a "victim" she was, and opened their arms towards her, until she had served her purpose.

Then, they wanted nothing to do with her! Sounds like some loving, caring women we want to be around, huh?

HUH! Had McCorvey remained pro choice, Laura would be asking to lick the dirt off of her shoes! Who is she kidding?

I don't accept lesbians?
Where did I say that?

Hmm, maybe in the same place where you implied that we should be offended that she considered herself a lesbian at one time?

Laura, you made a crack at McCorvey being my significant other.

Yes, DO try to keep up!

Hmm, maybe in the same place where you implied that we should be offended that she considered herself a lesbian at one time?
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I didn't imply that. She's a very proud lesbian/addict/Christian/pro-lifer.
Good for her!

Yeah, right, Laura. You were obviously trying to insult Heather by calling Norma her "significant other". What other purpose could that statement serve, except a poor attempt to insult?

Laura, you're celebrating someone being rushed to the hospital? That's sick. We may hope for someone to step down, but not die.

Laura, you come across as a very bitter hate filled woman. Did you ever have an abortion? Why do you even want it to remain legal?

Laura, you made a crack at McCorvey being my significant other.
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Strange, I have a significant other who prefers sex with women too! Make a crack about him if you wish. It's not like I value your opinion.

Lauren, I was thinking the same thing. How sick can you get?

What does her sexuality have to do with her wanting to end abortion? There is an entire organization of gay pro-lifers. As far as I can tell people are able to have differences in some areas, yet agree in others. Imagine that!

Laura's rules:

1.) People who have their bills paid by someone other than themselves do not have the ability to suffer.

2.) It's bad to be a Lesbian, unless you are a pro-choice lesbian. Then it's okay.

3.) It's distasteful and disgusting to be a drunk and alcholic, unless you happen to be pro-choice, in which case you would be practicing your right to choose what to do with your body and no one should say a word to you about it.

4.) It's okay to wish for pro-lifers to die. (Laura, you and doctor defense may need to hook up)

based on what I have seen and read from Laura's posts in the last 30 minutes.

Laura,

Abortion advocates had no problem with McCorvey's less than sterling character, or her "generic vodka soaked ass" when they were only too ready and willing to exploit her situation for their own purposes, so why should it be an issue now? Abortion advocates, as they were called back then, needed a case to take to the Supreme Court and she fit the bill. I never heard McCorvey make any claims of sainthood. If you have any concerns about character, you might want to determine whether the attorneys representing McCorvey before the Supreme Court knew, or even cared, that McCorvey was lying when she claimed her pregnancy had been the result of a gang rape. A fallacy that was allowed to continue for years until McCorvey "fessed up". I don't recall abortion advocates, or their friends in the media, being particularly concerned when hearing of this lie. McCorvey's pregnancy was in fact the result of an adulterous affair, not something that would exactly inspire sympathy like the claim of a gang rape would.
Norma McCorvey expected better treatment and a little more respect from an abortion establishment that was only too ready to exploit her and her situation when it served their interests. You're quite right Laura, the little white trash had served her purpose and abortion advocates no longer had any use for her.
Her conversion to the pro-life side was slow. She continued to work in abortion clinics. What won her over was the kindness and acceptance she experienced by pro-life people. Have we heard anymore of McCorvey having problems with drugs or alcohol, or doing time in jail? Her life seems to have improved considerably for the better, something I'm sure abortion advocates would be very concerned about and happy to hear.

I don't value yours either. A VERY famous female porn star kissed me on my cheek once. Does that count? Just because I don't agree with her lifestyle, I don't want her to be wisked off in an ambulance!

Strange, I have a significant other who prefers sex with women too! Make a crack about him if you wish. It's not like I value your opinion.

Hmm, I don't know what point you were trying to make with this, but it didn't work.

Laura, you come across as a very bitter hate filled woman. Did you ever have an abortion? Why do you even want it to remain legal?
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You come across as borderline simple. The day you claimed to be a "medical professional" I nearly blew diet coke into my keyboard.
I've never been pregnant, but if I ever became pregnant I wouldn't want unemployed jackasses making important life decisions for me. I actually CONTRIBUTE to society.

Really? How so? With snotty insults and mockery? Yes, you have contributed so, so much, Laura.

Laura, you can't be stable. You seem to be in need of some help. BTW, what is your contribution to society? Why can't you type anything minus your apparent sarcasm?

You don't care about our opinions of you? You don't care about unborn children being burned, stabbed, and ripped apart either. Sorry, you're goofy.

McCorvey had lesbian relationships. Excuse me but this isn't news. I read about it almost 20 years ago.

Laura, you can't be stable. You seem to be in need of some help.
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Stable Heather:
"Overturn Roe!"
"Overturn Roe!"
("What is Roe?...)

Laura,

Norma McCorvey is a 9th grade drop-out and former carnival barker and prostitute who put one child up for adoption, and lost two to the State of Texas due to her alcohol and drug addictions. When Choice advocates no longer felt like supporting her generic vodka-soaked ass (much less getting her out of jail and making up for her slurred babbling at public speaking events) she was purchased by the right-to-life people at TRULY bargain prices.
Maybe she could try getting a job...

Your sympathy for a woman that got pregnant and was unable to raise her child due to alcohol and drug problems is exactly why we say you don't really care about the women.

Did it occur to you that the guilt from her involvement in Roe-v-wade might have caused her to drown her pain in liquor?

If she was pro-choice you'd say she needed help and that she was a prime candidate to have had an abortion.

Face it, she became bad advertisement for you group and you dropped her like a canker sore when she was no longer useful...the bargain price we got her for was free, as we don't treat people like commodities...that's your gig. We took her on when you people dumped her, just like we take on the women who choose to keep their babies when they are no longer willing to fund your operation by getting an abortion...and you dump them

Hypocrite!

You come across as borderline simple.

I don't think Heather comes off as being simple. And Heather has humility and kindness, two things you severly lack.

Incidentally, since when is it politically correct to mock and insult people who are "simple"? =S

MK, agreed [see my post above] Laura had said in another post that women from 'Silent No More' had "issues!" She maturly wrote "Those chicks have some serious friggin issues." Laura, do you kick puppies in your spare time?

Back @ Laura. "I never said anything about not accepting lesbians" I think I may have offended Heather's significant other. You are clearly making an attempt to be humorous here. It didn't work. I'd rather ask about the overturn of Roe so I'd fully understand it. I didn't see YOU answer me. What's wrong? You didn't fully understand it either did you?

Heather,

The fact that you didn't understand Roe vs Wade being turned over to the states does not make you ignorant. 3/4 of the country don't get that.

The fact that you have the guts to constantly ask questions tells me you are quite intelligent. It means you are willing to learn something rather than try to convince people you already know everything like some people on here, whose name I won't mention. Laura.

LOL Mk

Laura, I don't understand why you feel the need to be so damn mean. I'm sorry, but you are probably the most caustic, disrespectful person I've ever had the misfortune of meeting. At least good ol' cameron was funny.

It sounds like Justice Roberts is going to be okay. He didn't "collapse" he fell...Figures she'd get her story wrong...anyway, drop what you're doing and say a prayer with me now.

As a matter of fact, drop what you're doing and say a prayer for Laura at the same time. So many demons, so little time...

Heather: I'd rather ask about the overturn of Roe so I'd fully understand it. I didn't see YOU answer me. What's wrong? You didn't fully understand it either did you?

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Go back to the top of this thread. You called for the overturn of Roe without having a solitary CLUE what it was. I mentioned that overturning Roe wouldn't outlaw abortion in the very first post. Why don't you try reading Roe before you comment on it.

Lauren, I actually agree. I never thought I'd say anything positive about Cameron, but I did enjoy his posts more than hers.

Mk, I am thankful to hear that Justice Roberts will be okay!

Honestly I dont see why you people give trolls like Laura and Dan L the time of day. There is no logical argument with them. They are simply saying off the wall insults and extreme anti-logic to anger and upset all of you.

I appreciate and encourage debate as much as the next internet poster, but thoughtful debate with a rational flow of logic and willingness to concede. Laura refuses to show any sort of practicality in her posts, and I hope for her sake, is obviously being so incoherent to further upset all of you.

As for me, I just refuse to respond to idiotic and childish posters such as her.

So far the most rational disagreement Ive had her was with another pro-lifer. Bring on the real pro-choice debaters!! Where are you?

Laura,

Knowing your concern, I just read that Justice Roberts was transported to a hospital from his summer home after a fall. He was alert and concious. There were no other details but this certainly did not look like a life threatening situation. I know what a relief that must be for you.

You still didn't explain it though. Laura is a selfish, self absorbed "Know it All" I've known a few like her. Those people always get bad Karma. She is one of the nastiest pro deathers I have ever come across.

Laura,
Last night a pro lifer said a mean thing to a pro choicer and we jumped all over him...he apologized (even sending her a song - adorable) Because he is a "real man", something you wouldn't know anything about apparently. The pro choice side forgave him, another quality you seem to be unfamiliar with.

For months now, we have worked out some pretty tough relationships between members on both sides. We've all ended up friends and continue to debate the issue. Civilly, careful not to resort to attacking the person, but rather attacking the issue.

Perhaps you should ask questions on how we manage to do that. You might learn something, make a friend, get treated with respect and lower you blood pressure. Thinking you know everything only illustrates how much you don't.

Otherwise, I'm afraid you're not going to get very far here. You sound like what our poor Ms. Thomas looks like. The best weapon I have against someone like you is prayer. Not only might it help, but it will probably royally tick you off to know that I'm doing it...It's a win/win...

Oliver, ya. She's drunk.

Oliver,

Our resident voice of reason. How are you? Excellent points. I second them. Join me in prayer?

MK, yes. That is a better approach. Better than stooping to her level.

She seems to have run away anyway...

Brave Sir Robin, he ran away...

Don't you just love Monty Python...

Where is Cameron?

LOL .. "Oliver, ya. She's drunk".

Heather ... sometimes you make my day!

(((((Hugs))))))

Sure, MK

J.J. Glad I could do so. Okay, I'm ready to pray some of that wickedness off of her! It worked when I did it for Cameron. I don't know if it helped him or me, but eventually he didn't bother me anymore.

Apparently it worked.
She's gone.
Prayer is an amazing weapon!

Thanks Oliver.
Thanks Heather.

Laura,
come back anytime that you are ready to act civilized.

MK, it IS powerful! Sometimes it works fast. Sometimes slowly. Oliver, I just wanted to tell you this. When I first came to this site, I thought it was full of "trolls" Come to find out, some of these people are serious! Yes, it threw me for a loop as well.

Where is everyone? *sound of crickets*

"Danny,

Happy birthday!! Its great to see you back. Please visit more oftern. While you're here, how long do boas usually get? I don't know what kind my daughter's roommate has but it doesn't look very big right now."

Mary,

It depends on the species of snake. There are many different sub-species of boa constrictor. The most common pet is the Columbian and Peruvian red-tail, like the one that I have. Males usually get between 5-9 feet, while females can get anywhere between 9-13 feet. Make sure it's a boa constrictor, though, and let me know exactly what species your daughter's room mate says it is. People have been known to sell Burmese pythons under the guise of boa constrictors, and amateur herpers don't bother to check until their nice, 3 foot long snake is pushing 20 feet and they don't know what to do with it.

As for me being back, I only came on to make my announcement about CAB for the Chicago posters. My friend and her boyfriend are in the hospital right now. She's only got some missing teeth, a broken eye socket, and some cracked ribs. Her boyfriend was just moved off of critical condition, and it looks like he'll make a full recovery.

CAB and other neo-nazi/white power groups are not a joke, and I want everyone to exercise extreme caution. I'd hate to hear that one of my friends here has gotten hurt by those low-life scumbags. Anyways, I'll be on my merry way so Erin won't yell at me for posting and invading her happy place ^_^".

Auf weidersen, everyone, and to everyone who wished me a happy birthday, thank you! I'm going out with my crew tonight, and I'm excited that I have a second family to share this day with!

[On a darker note, for those of you who do pray, please pray for Terry Sullivan, the man that brought me and my siblings into the world, and trained my father in medical school. He delivered me on his 50th birthday, and 20 years later, he's just now shaking off the effects of a stroke. He can no longer talk, and is living the life that makes me hurt. He took his first visitor in two years yesterday, and it was me. I haven't cried in a long time, but I had to weep that day. I may not pray myself, but I can ask that you guys will. Thank you.]

Danny, Of course we will pray. Though I wonder why you don't feel you can as well? We don't have any more power than you. God listens to all of us, perhaps especially those who are returning from a long hiatus. I will pray for Terry, but I encourage you to do the same. Don't just believe in our prayers...believe in your own!

Danny, I will also pray! I'm sorry to hear this.

I keep him in my thoughts, but I still have some issues with Christianity and God that need to be resolved before I join any faith of any kind. I reach out to you guys because you can do what I can't.

Danny, it's so good to hear you asking for help. We all need it eventually. I will also pray for you to receive guidance. There came a time in my life where I couldn't pray. I JUST couldn't. Thank God that others prayed for me. It really helps.

Danny,

My prayers are with the doctor and your friends.

Danny, I applaud you for searching, that's what we're called to do. You might feel like you need to get things straight and THEN talk to God, but talking to Him can actually help get them straight.

A missionary sponsered by our church was literally standing on a chair with a noose around his neck when he reached out to God. God answered! This man knew nothing of Jesus, he was Hindu, yet because he was searching, God revealed Himself.

Talking to God doesn't mean you have to embrace all of His teachings instantaneously. Just humbly come to him and pray what is on your heart. I came to God through prayer for my son, so your post definitely struck a cord with me. Sometimes it is easier to pray for someone else than yourself. Either way, it is opening up the lines of communication between you and God.

I understand too what Heather is saying about not being able to pray. After our second miscarriage, neither my husband nor I were able to pray. I avoided God for at least a month. I didn't even look at my bible. When those blocks come up, it is so hard for me to knock them down. Finally, I just cried out to God about not being able to talk to Him. That was the "fix" for me.

I'll be praying for you. If you'd like to talk about this in a place away from this site, you are welcome to leave a message at my site.

Yes Lauren, I became angry when my engagement to someone crumbled. I'd lost hope. I'd given up. I sunk into despair. I didn't pray for 2 years. I was bitter. I didn't know what my future held. I have not returned to church. Well, not on a regular basis. I still have some bad days, but they are nowhere near how they used to be.

"Bring on the real pro-choice debaters!! Where are you?"

Oliver,
We did have one, good ole Diana, but she's disappeared. Her scholarly bodily autonomy argument was quite intense, speaking for myself. Where'd she go, MK? Did you manage to scare her away?

I think your great Heather. It's his loss.

Heather4life,

Just remember what I said on the other thread about all of us doing our time on a lilly pad.

Wow. That's really incredible--I can't imagine not being able to pray! When things in my life get hard I need God--largely because I need someone to talk to, and sometimes talking to my mom or to my friends doesn't help. Lately I've been praying to God for guidance every day. I don't know what I'd do without Him to help me, even if things haven't gotten easier (yet--I know they will). My heart truly goes out to anyone who finds it difficult to reach out to God for help.

For those who can, please pray for me. I am going through a very hard time in my life right now; the man I love more than anything is moving 2000 miles away and I just found out this morning that something is wrong with my liver.

On a happier note--I just got two adorable kittens!

Leah, I'll definitely be praying for you.

Leah, I'll be thinking of you. I had to move 1800 miles away from the man I love more than anything in this world. We have been apart for about two weeks now. It is very difficult, however I am realizing just how much I love him and remembering cheesy things that happened in our relationship. Yesterday I was watching the TV show Friends, one of the characters experienced a first kiss with a new boyfriend. I immediately thought of my first kiss with Dan. You know when you get that burning feeling in your heart and butterflies in your stomach. That happened to me last night. It was amazing. I couldn't stop smiling for the rest of the night. Why did your boyfriend have to move? Are you able to go with him?

I'm sorry about your liver. My cousin as an auto-immune disease where her body attacks her liver because they think its sick, when its not. It has been a scary thing for her.

Kitties are cool!

Thank you JM and Lauren for your thoughts and prayers--I really do appreciate it.

JM:

Wow, do I ever know the feeling. I swear, everywhere I turn there is some reminder of my boyfriend. It makes me so sad to think of him all the time.I made my mom cry the other day when she saw how upset I was--she said she hates to see my heart breaking. And I have seriously been reflecting over the entirety of our relationship, which wasn't actually very long, but long enough to fall deeply in love. Yeah, including our first kiss. There's not a single moment of our relationship that I would trade for anything--including a pregnancy scare.

The thing is, we always knew we had limited time, so we tried not to get too involved in each other... but it didn't work. He's moving back to where he grew up in Alberta, but I have to stay here and finish school and all that. I don't think this will be the last time we ever see each other, though. I have nothing concrete to base that guess off of--just intuition.

I totally empathize with you, but I have to stop myself. I could talk about him for hours and hours and hours. I'm so sorry that you're experiencing this situation--and if your pain is even half as much as mine, I'm even more sorry because it really is hard for me.

As for my liver, I'm sorry too. I don't know what's wrong with it yet, but the hospital's running some blood tests. My doctor seems to think I have mono... but I don't think that's it. I hope it isn't serious, whatever it is.

Oh my gosh, I can't imagine how scary that must be for your cousin! The idea of mono is freaking me out--I can hardly imagine an autoimmune disease like that!

Kitties are very cool.

Honestly, this site is such a distraction! I'm supposed to be working...

Leah, I'm so sorry to hear about your situation. I think those kitties will comfort you. Something about animals and babies cheer me up. I love dogs! I have a cat though. He's a crack up. He pounces on my feet, or he'll go running through the house like he just took speed. It's funny! My new baby does some things to make me smile also. They say that laughter IS the best medicine. JM, I'm sorry to hear about your situation as well. My advice...Try to surround yourself with things that make you happy. After my breakup, I headed for Blockbuster. I bought all of the Seinfeld DVD's [a show I used to hate, BTW] I never laughed so hard! Change is never easy. I don't think anyone is really programed to like it. Especially if it means leaving our "comfort zone" I applaud you both!

Mary and jasper, Thank you! I have moved on. I don't even think about the guy anymore. It was just a painful experience that I had to live through and put behind me. It's just too bad that it took so long to heal. It's odd. I had a bad car accident about a month after my breakup. The police, paramedics, and firemen couldn't believe that I'd walked away unscathed. I'll tell you the storey sometime. My mother's friend prayed for me on the night before the accident. She resides in another state, so we did it over the phone. I really can't believe I'm still here.

Happiest of Birthdays Danny. You know I'll pray for you, You know I already am...

Leah, I'm so happy to hear that you pray.
Open your heart and ask Him to help with the truth about abortion.
When will you know about the results of your liver test? Mono isn't too bad. It eventually clears up by itself.
Can you visit your boyfriend every six months or so?
How old are you? How old is he? What are you studying in school? Does he feel the same way?
Thank the Lord for the internet. At least you can keep in daily communication! Of course I'll pray for you. And your boyfriend. Your mom sounds wonderful. Instead of telling you to get a grip, she feels the pain you are going through. Give her a hug and tell her you appreciate it!

Heather. Keep on prayin'! Which church don't you go to every week? How can we get you back there?

JM,
How is the new job/life going? It must be so hard to be soooo far away from everything familiar. Where are you now? Do you know anyone out there? If it's near Chicago, I'll meet you for coffee (or ice cream, I love ice cream)...

Carder,
I analyzed Cameron's "game questions" and he hasn't been back since.

I got totally frustrated with Diana because her argument was so frustrating, and after some words she hasn't been back either.

I can't believe I am that powerful that I actually scared off two of our most formidable foes, but the coincidences are compelling...

Wish they'd both come back!

Danny, I am so sorry to hear what Terry is going through, and I will keep him in my prayers.

Lauren is right, please believe in your own prayers. God will listen to anyone who humbly comes to Him in the time of need, and pours out their heart to Him. He will listen to you.
You need not join any religion to talk to God...just talk to Him... "Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you."

Leah, I am so sorry to haer about your liver problems, and will add you to my prayers as well.

Leah,

Please keep us posted on your condition. I'm so sorry to hear your news. I'll certainly be thinking about you.
About the kitten. I just love kittens. They definitely have their own distinct personalities and you can spend hours watching them romp. They're always so darling but they always turn into cats. Our cat was getting so fat and lazy we cut down on her food. She'd actually sit and watch the gophers as they started overrunning our property again. She hunts more at nite now and we're seeing fewer gophers. That blasted animal has learned she has to earn her keep!

Hi MK,

peace .... I'm going to relate a true story about a friend. I was visiting, so I took her to visit my cousin and hubby with 6 boisterous kids. After the visit her heart was sailing. "What was it?" I asked. She said that she had never just sat around the kitchen table and yacked. [Larry (cousin's hubby) even derided her for smoking ... and the two youngest were fighting in 12 and 11yr old behavior] "Weird!" thought I. "I know hundreds and hundreds of folks who think such is 'normal', including me."

Perhaps, for the very first time in many years both Diana and Cam have found a place where even they are feeling whole again. We call such love - 'home'. Maybe after this encounter we need just pray, even if our nest seems empty.

@ bonjour Leah ... je t'aime aussi! [Je pence que c'est vrais ... (40 yrs +).

Jill, everybody,

This is off topic but I'm wondering what everybody thinks of the new no-period birth control pill? I'm considering it since I soon won't be able to get pregnant anymore anyway (I'm quiverfull, but God has "finished" our family in His own mysterious way, and my husband is getting a vasectomy), and my periods have always been a trigger for my chronic depression. (The article I read said that skipping your period with the pill will help with cycle-related moodiness.) But I don't know what the dangers are, and I don't trust the MSM to tell me. What do y'all think?

Hold on... gonna repost that comment in a newer post...

Michelle, I responded in the newer post.

John,

C'est vrai. J'ai 40+ ans aussi.

Danny,

I hope you're still there. She only told me its a python, but she does not know what kind. To me its a snake and that makes my skin crawl.

Mary,

If you can get me a picture, or find a picture of something similiar looking, I can tell you what it is.

I'm putting money down that it's a ball python, but I'd rather be safe and let you show me before I assume anything.

Can you imagine her guilt? Maybe the pro life side didn't BUY her. Maybe they helped her. Had she looked for any help from the side of CHOICE, she just might have taken the bridge.

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What guilt? She never had an abortion. The issue in Roe was the contitutionality of anti abortion laws, not McCorvey.

You still didn't explain it though. Laura is a selfish, self absorbed "Know it All" I've known a few like her. Those people always get bad Karma. She is one of the nastiest pro deathers I have ever come across.

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Using the term 'pro death' marks you as nastier than anyone on the pro choice side could be. Its that kind of vitrolic ignorant lie which makes antichoicers look so typically stupid and ignorant.

You still didn't explain it though. Laura is a selfish, self absorbed "Know it All"
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I'd LOVE to know how you came to that conclusion.

"What guilt? She never had an abortion. The issue in Roe was the contitutionality of anti abortion laws, not McCorvey."

Here are the reasons Norma felt guilt

:well, you know, for a long time there, Sean, I did take on the burden and the guilt of the 45 million children that have died through legal abortion. But then, you know, we have to back up and look at the women who have died from legalized abortion, also.

From Norma's conversation with Sean Hannity...

MK-
Coffee or ice cream sounds great, unfortunately I moved to Arizona. :( But I might take you up on the offer sometime later in life. I might end up in Chicago someday. Dan would love to work there as an engineer and we both LOVE the city.

The new job is great but overwhelming. I want to be the best teacher and I'm so scared I won't be. The students start in less than a week. I am sooo scared.

Leah,

Good luck with your boyfriend. I hope everything works out!

Dan and I have been together for over two years. I moved because I needed teaching experience and teaching jobs are extremely hard to get in MN, where I am originally from. Once I have a year or two of experience my chances of getting a job are much greater. He had to stay because he has a good job, school and just bought a house last year. He is also stubborn. hehehe.... It is hard, but we are doing okay so far. I get a week off in October and I plan to visit him in MN. Only 65 more days! hehehehe.

Do any of you guys date anyone besides a Dan? They aren't all the same Dan are they...lucky guy!

JM what grade/subject will you be teaching?

There are so many Dan's! AUGH! I'm getting confused. MK, which Dan am I?

MK- hehehe my Dan and I are each others first serious relationship.

I will be teaching 7th grade math.

Ahhhh Dan/Danny/SHDan,

You sir, are one of a kind. As for the confusion, talk to Val. She might have some tips...although I think most of them involve rum, and ceasing to imbibe...

Texas Red, "What guilt?" "She never HAD an abortion." She helped to pass the law to make abortion legal. She lied. Since then the entire industry had been a lie.

Texas Red Laura?

Heather,
No I checked all their IP's...hard to believe there were three of them...who knows, maybe they shared the same mother or all three dated Tiller...

The only thing the same about them was their inability to speak like human beings to human beings...everything else, email, IP's and names were different...

WOW MK! Hard to believe. Maybe it's her best friend or something.

They post on another site. Bethany says she knows one of them from years ago...just goes to show you that some people are corrupt to the core and years of debate can't get through a brick wall...

Tee hee! I drank 5 shots of absinthe imported from Romania on my birthday. I saw Jesus... And Satan... And a few other dieties. It was entertaining, and frightening.

I needed a hug.

Laura girl, these people have it bad for you!

lily, what do you mean by that>?

I said what I meant.
You all have it bad for Laura.

Wow. Brilliant response, Lily.