~ From the Chicago Sun-Times/Associated Press, June 15

Gov. Kathleen Blanco signed legislation Friday that penalizes doctors who perform a late-term abortion procedure, making Louisiana the first to outlaw the surgery since a similar federal ban was upheld this year.

The new law allows the procedure only when the mother's life would be endangered without it. It would be a crime in all other cases, including when the pregnancy is expected to cause health problems for the mother.

The statute mirrors a federal ban President Bush signed into law in 2003 and that was upheld in April by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Lawmakers in other states are expected to consider similar bans. Louisiana is the first to enact one, according to the New York Center for Reproductive Rights, an abortion-rights group.

In Louisiana, doctors face fines of between $1,000 and $10,000, and jail terms of between one and 10 years.

Planned Parenthood argued against the ban, but received a chilly response from lawmakers. Only a handful of legislators voted against the bill.

Interesting that the AP did not name that which was banned, Partial Birth Abortion, nor describe it, nor refute that there has never been a health reason found to commit it. Nor were any pro-life groups interviewed or referred to. Par.

Good for Louisiana! I hope all other states will follow their leed.

I also hope that they start handing out life sentences for those who commit infanticide. A girl in my state stabbed her newborn son in the chest. She only received 6 years. That's it? I don't want to see her return to society!

Heather,
On the other post you mentioned that you wanted to ask me a question...still got it?

Heather4life,

One of the very few times I've agreed with Jesse Jackson is when he pointed out the two black teenagers who received far more serious punishment for fighting in the stands at a school athletic event than did two wealthy white teenagers get for killing their newborn son. At least the black teenagers didn't kill anyone.
I am no supporter of Jackson's, but I certainly had to agree with him on this one.

MK, I was reading a pro life catalogue yesterday. They sell pro life books, bracelets, lapels, etc. Remember when you told us all about that "Sing A Little Louder" story? I found that. Is that a book, because I'd like to order it. I can't tell if it's a book or a pamphlet.

MK,

While I have you here. You look much too young to be expecting your second grandchild! Congragulations to you and your family.

Mary, I AGREE too!!! Why should this girl get another chance in society? She's a killer! I think even pro choicers would agree that this baby was murdered! It was out of her womb. Her name is Jessica Coleman, and she did appear on Oprah via satellite. I don't know if you saw it or not.

I happen to know that "No Name" is a town in colorado. Horray for 4th grade colorado history!

As for the ban, I'm beginning to think it's actually called the "so-called partial birth abortion ban". At least that's what the media would have me believe.

If this teenager had been black, I'll bet she would have received more time.

Heather4life,

I have no doubt that being white and wealthy played a big role in giving them a lighter sentence.
I never heard of the other case you mentioned.

Adding to my list of wealthy white teenagers; Amy Grossberg. She and her boyfriend hid the pregnancy, she gave birth in a motel room, and they tossed the baby into a dumpster on a freezing November morning.The autopsy revealed multiple skull fractures. Melissa Drexler aka. Prom Mom. Gave birth at her senior prom in a bathroom stall. The baby died of suffocation.Both women are free today. Each served only 2 years in prison. I hear Amy is running her own business today. How is this fair? Both women were 18 at the time of the crime. Society is helping to send the wrong message.

Heather4life,

I was referring to the Amy Grossberg case. Thank you for the update as I had never heard anything more.

Mary, I read that book. Excellent book titled 'Always In Our Hearts' Author, Doug Most. Part of Amy's probation was to speak out at schools about what she had done. She still blames the entire incident on the preeclampsia she was suffering. She accepts no personal responsibility for her actions.

Heather,

It's a pamphlet. It's very chilling. You might be able to get a copy online and just print it out...let me check.

Mary,

You are way too sweet. I don't feel young. Between the knee, menopause, a 10 year old, a 7 year old, bi-polar, and arthritis I feel like I could have had a dinosaur for a pet!

When I had the knee surgery 3, yes 3, different nurses asked me about my daughter. Only they were referring to my 44 year old sister-in-law! Talk about depressing!

MK, congratulations!!!

Heather,

Here it is...
http://www.abortionfacts.com/literature/literature_909sl.asp

fter a speech, pro-life activist Penny Lea was approached by an old man. Weeping, he told her the following story:

"I lived in Germany during the Nazi holocaust. I considered myself a Christian. I attended church since I was a small boy. We had heard the stories of what was happening to the Jews, but like most people today in this country, we tried to distance ourselves from the reality of what was really taking place. What could anyone do to stop it?

A railroad track ran behind our small church, and each Sunday morning we would hear the whistle from a distance and then the clacking of the wheels moving over the track. We became disturbed when one Sunday we noticed cries coming from the train as it passed by. We grimly realized that the train was carrying Jews. They were like cattle in those cars!

Week after week that train whistle would blow. We would dread to hear the sound of those old wheels because we knew that the Jews would begin to cry out to us as they passed our church. It was so terribly disturbing! We could do nothing to help these poor miserable people, yet their screams tormented us. We knew exactly at what time that whistle would blow, and we decided the only way to keep from being so disturbed by the cries was to start singing our hymns. By the time the train came rumbling past the church yard, we were singing at the top of our voices. If some of the screams reached our ears, we�d just sing a little louder until we could hear them no more. Years have passed and no one talks about it much anymore, but I still hear that train whistle in my sleep. I can still hear them crying out for help. God forgive all of us who called ourselves Christians, yet did nothing to intervene.

Now, so many years later, I see it happening all over again in America. God forgive you as Americans for you have blocked out the screams of millions of your own children. The holocaust is here. The response is the same as it was in my country - SILENCE!"

Have you ever wondered how people could have stood by and just let this happen? Do you wonder why the Christians in this true story chose to just sing their praise to God a little louder to drown out the victim�s cries?

The old man�s story is in the past - it cannot be changed. It is easy to think we would act differently now. But the old man�s last words are haunting: "It�s happening all over again in America with abortion."

As American Christians, we have become so comfortable in our lovely buildings and padded pews. We have beautiful fellowship halls for our many banquets. We have the latest sound equipment for our praise and worship. We have computers to keep our records. We gather together each week and shut ourselves inside our buildings. We raise our voices as loud as we can in the name of God.

And yet, in the heavenly realm, our voices raised in praise are drowned out by screams of agony from millions of babies who are being executed before they are born. We can�t see them. We can�t hear them. But it is happening as you read this!

Babies are being aborted up until the day of birth in this country. Their organs and brains are "harvested" for use in medical experimentation. In Wichita, Kansas, the smoke stack from the furnace of Dr. Tiller�s abortion clinic belches black smoke and the sickening smell of burning flesh. These are the bodies of preborn 7th, 8th, and 9th month old babies being "disposed of."

If the Christians in the old man�s church had done something, they probably would have been killed. That is not the case with us today. We don�t even have that excuse for our silence.

Years from now will you be like that old man trying to explain your apathy as millions were led away to slaughter in abortion clinics? Or will you raise your voice and cry out in protest for those who have no voice? The choice is yours. Read the list of things you can do on the last page and join the fight for the unborn!

Thank you so much MK. It's so heartbreaking! I don't understand how people can claim to be "offended" by the comparison of abortion to the holocaust. It IS the same.

Heather4life,

Amy could have contacted a social service agency and an adoption could have been very discreetly arranged. I knew a college student who did just that over 30 years ago. The agency found a couple who would pay all expenses and adopt the child. The whole situation was very discreetly handled. She said neither her parents or her boyfriend's parents ever found out. She went to a hospital and safely delivered, and she and her boyfriend both signed papers turning the child over to the adoptive couple. I'm sure couples would have stood in line to provide the same service to Amy Grossberg and Melissa Drexler.
Sorry, but that preeclampsia excuse doesn't wash with me. I wonder if the two black teenagers had the option of speaking at schools about not fighting in athletic stands as opposed to a prison sentence.

MK,

This article was written as a poem being spoken by Christ and it would just move you to tears.

About those nurses! Shame on them. I have learned the hard way to always ask "your relationship to the patient is?" I've adhered to this rule ever since I asked a woman if she was a child's grandmother, you guessed it, she had a menopause child. The look she gave me would have melted steel. What's really awful is when a man is asked if his wife is his mother! Oh my goodness! You can just imagine how that flies.
Anyway, that happens. You look wonderful in your picture and certainly don't look like a grandmother. I'm asked if I would like the senior discount at stores. Clerks have learned to do this very tactfully. "I HAVE to ask this though I'm sure you're not old enough". Sorry honey, I'm on to you!

Mary, actually I do feel somewhat bad for these girls. Why was Amy so terrified to tell her mother? I guess they felt that they had no place else to turn. Amy almost aborted at the same clinic that almost killed Rasheeda Dinkins, but she just couldn't bring herself to do it. She feared an infection, and told Brian Peterson [the boyfriend] "I'll get sick,and my mom will find out." Instead she kept on trying to wish the pregnancy away. She kept writing letters to Brian: "Please make IT go away." I wonder what on earth she was thinking. Now, the entire world knows. I'm sure her parents feel responsible in some way. However, she should have received a life sentence.

Actually, the preeclampsia is what landed Amy in the hospital. This is how her "secret" was discovered. She began having seizures in her dorm room. The ER doctors discovered the hidden pregnancy when she was brought in. Amy tried to deny it until the bitter end. Still, there is no excuse for what she did. She walked herself into that hotel room, and she walked herself out of it. She told Brian to "Get rid of it!!"

Mary is my new best friend!

Here's the poem I think you are talking about:

THE

PASSENGER

I found myself in anger, I cried out in despair

I prayed, "Lord let them hear me! Let just one person care!"

I raised my voice to heaven as the train kept moving on

As we passed behind the church yard I could hear the worship songs.

I cried out all the louder to the Christians there inside but they raised the chorus louder not hearing me outside.

I knew they heard the whistle and the clacking of the tracks

They knew that I was going to die and still they turned their backs.

I said, "Father in heaven how can your people be so very hard of hearing to the cry of one like me?"

I shouted, "please have mercy! Just a prayer before I die"

But they sang a little louder to the Holy One on high.

They raised their hands to heaven but blood was dripping down

The blood of all the innocent their voices tried to drown.

They have devotions daily, they function in my name

And they never even realized it was I upon that train.

"For as much as you�ve done it to the least of my brethren, you have done it unto Me."

Jesus Christ.

Jill is going to be gone for a little while and things can get stagnant around here. So how about a little game?

I'll ask you questions and you jot them down on a piece of paper. At the end everyone can post their answers all at once...

There are no right or wrong answers. This is just a little exercise to give you insight into yourselves.

I've seen it done a couple of different ways. The first time I saw it was in a book by Paul Zindel call The Pigman.

If you know the game, don't spoil it for the others. Wait til the end and give us your answers anyway. It won't hurt and it can be rather educational.

Are you guys up for it?

Sure.

yes

Excellent!

Okay, I'll post the first question and leave it up for awhile so everyone has a chance to get on board.

Remember don't post your answers. Write them down on a separate piece of paper so you don't influence anybody else.

They can be as long or short, descriptive or plain as you want. The only thing that matters is that they are yours.

Ready?

First Question:

You are walking down a road that leads into a wood. Describe the road, and the wood. (ie: time of day, season, weather, foilage...etc.)

As you finish your answers let me know, so I can gauge how many people have answered and when it's time to post the next question...

Rae, Alyssa, Erin, Mary, Heather (both), John, Bethany, Val, midnite, Danny, Less, Leah, and everyone else,

I hope you catch this as I think you'll enjoy it.
But remember, if you've already played it, don't spoil it for the rest of us!

done with 1st question

"Interesting that the AP did not name that which was banned, Partial Birth Abortion, nor describe it, nor refute that there has never been a health reason found to commit it. Nor were any pro-life groups interviewed or referred to. Par."

OMG... the liberal press abstained from putting morally loaded and medically inaccurate/inconcise spin on it. So sorry!

LMAO

But wouldn't you be out of a blog if the press was doing all the hyperbole and missrepresentation for you?

""Interesting that the AP did not name that which was banned, Partial Birth Abortion, nor describe it, nor refute that there has never been a health reason found to commit it. Nor were any pro-life groups interviewed or referred to. Par."

Thats because most of the AP "reporters" are in the mold of Cameron, ie: shills for the left-wing kooks...

MK,
done with question 1

Ooh MK, I want to play.

Done with 1st question.

Good Jen,

I didn't mean to leave you out (or Pip or Hisman) or anyone else...the brain just hold everybodies names...

I'm gonna leave the 1st question til I get back from the movies...that'll give the people who usually post later a chance to catch up...

You'll like it, I think!

Mary,

Wasn't this you way back in March? Or was it a different Mary?

I mean, if you can't see things from another perspective, you're not a well-rounded or very tolerant person. If you'd rather be intolerant and closed-minded, you can continue to only see things from your point of view. If you'd rather be open-minded and tolerant, you can start realizing that not everyone lives the way you do, and figure out how to be pro-life without having a religious background to it. If you cannot argue your pro-life position without the need to resort to your religious background, you were never truly pro-life to begin with, from my perspective. You were only doing as you were told and never truly examined why you were pro-life. It scares me that most of the movement I support was just described.

The point is, using Catholic arguments on non-Catholics is useless. It will do nothing except get YOU the titles of "religious nut" and "intolerant of others." If you respect other people's faiths, you will try to understand them and learn and NOT argue from a Catholic perspective, which can only apply to Catholics, but from a humanist perspective that all people can understand.

And this?

These are from the 3/14 post on Hannity vs the Catholic Church...

Not you?

Done with the 1st

I just checked the email addresses and it isn't> you...that's so wild because both of you were so knowledgeable and able to come up with facts and fantastic arguments at the drop of a hat...

Uncanny...sorry. It's funny because since March I have tried to steer away from religious articles when conversing with you...silly me!

MK -

This week is going to be hard for me to read everything. Can you e-mail me when you post the questions....and possibly what the questions are? ;-)

When does school for the kids start again?

MK,

No problem. I'm just glad the mystery was solved. I was certain I had never made any reference to someone's religious beliefs, since I have no issue at all with anyone's religious convictions being used to argue the pro life cause.
Oh, and thank you for the kind words. You are addressing me, right? If not I'll feel pretty silly.(smile)

MK,

I'm done with the first question.

Very curious to see how this turns out.

Washington Post film critic is disappointed that abortion was missing from summer movies.

http://newsbusters.org/node/14140

@MK: I read the Pig Man in middle school (so long ago!)

Anyway, done with the first question. :)

I don't understand how people can claim to be "offended" by the comparison of abortion to the holocaust. It IS the same.
Posted by: Heather4life at July 16, 2007 08:47 AM

Have you done ANY research on the holocaust? Perhaps you need to do that. Stay away from saying that, or you might get shot.

Yes Mary,
I was addressing you. And you are most certainly welcome. I'm so happy you're not you. And I'm so sorry that I thought you were.

Okay,

There are some people that we havent' heard from yet, but I'll go ahead and give the next question...

For those of you just joining us I'll post the first question again also.

Question No. 1: You are walking down a road that leads to a wood. Describe the wood and the road.

Question No. 2: You come to an obstacle. What is it, and how do you overcome it?

So far Danny, Rae, Jasper, Jen C, HeatherB., and Rosie have checked in...

MK, I'm here. JM, Shot? I have Jewish friends who agree with me!!

Okay Heather,
I've got you marked down.
Mary, JM are you not in? Doesn't matter just want to know if I should wait for you...

Where do we answer? Am I missing the answers?

No Heather.
You write them down at home and we'll all post them at the end together...if you scroll up, you can read all the posts about it...

I could have sworn I sent you an email, no? Maybe I sent it to the old address?

It's the 11:22 am post...and then a couple more after that...

OK. I have been gone all day. Didn't check yet.

MK,

I've finished with the second, though I'm not sure if my answer is satisfactory.

Rae,
I'm glad you came on...I just wish Alyssa and Midnite would play. I'd love to see their answers.

Heather,
write them down but don't post them.

Yikes! you beat me to it! I'm done with nuber 2

Okay I have both questions answered. :)

I'll come back on tomorrow morning and post question 3. Whoever hasn't answered by then will just have to catch up...

Did it.

MK,

Sorry, I'm not in.

Done with the 2nd.
I'm feeling creative today, too.

Oh, MK, I posted on the Foie Gras article. Take a look when you get a chance.

Jen,
Will do...you'll be back tomorrow for question 3, right?

Mary,

That's fine. If you want, you can keep your answers private. You know, don't post them, but answer for yourself...

2nd question answered

Marked it Jasper. See you all tomorrow.

Okay, MK I have arrived... I think I've done this before but I cant remember. But I have answered question 1 and 2 for ya...

Heather B.,
MK,

I've finished with the second, though I'm not sure if my answer is satisfactory.

If it's satisfactory to you, then it's satisfactory. Remember, there is no right or wrong here. There is just what you see.

Don't stress too much...it's just for fun!

And I am glad question 3 will be later (or tomorrow, I've got to dye my hair tonight :-)

I'm so glad midnite! Now, where's Alyssa?

Will you be back tomorrow for the rest?

oooops! We posted at the same time...til tomorrow then.

Or just give me 45 minutes, 10 to get in my hair, 25 to wait and about 5 to 10 to wash it out. I swear I've done this before, but my memory is failing me in my old age (lol). Trying to figure out my obstacle though....

MK,

Thing with this game is...it's got me thinking about what these images could symbolize for me.

Kind of interesting what I've come up with...

Heather B.,

That's exactly what it should do. Is get you thinking. But be patient and wait for it. Only five more questions to go...

Since most of you have checked in, I'll give you question #3. You can take your time answering and I'll give you #4 first thing in the morning...promise!

QUESTION #3: As you are walking along, you find a cup. Describe your cup. What do you do with it?

Midnite,

If you do remember, don't let on. It would spoil it for everyone else. If you don't remember, then don't try too hard to. Just play and when we get to the end you can say "AAAAAhhhhhh, now I remember!"

I remember anwering questions some what like this, but it was soooo long ago, I cant really remember. So it'll be the latter of your scenarios. I think I did it in my Intro to Psychclass in fall of 03 (which would explain why I cant remember exactly, lol)

And after I answer this, I off to dye my hair a new copper red color.

Which thread shall the next questions be on MK?

Midnite!

I haven't talked to you in ages, at least not since I decided how I was going to modify my appearance.

I'm going back to blonde (my natural color).

This is for anyone interested in some of the new species/cryptozoological happenings that were discussed on the Lyuba mammoth thread. I'm out for the night, and I probably will be gone for most of the week. If anyone here lives in Iowa, or has friends from Iowa that are going to be bored on the 21st, send them to www.dirtysouthernrock.com to get details on where my band, Whiskey Rebellion, is playing. Have a good one!

PS 2nd and 3rd questions are done.

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Squid As Long As a Bus and Weighing 550 Pounds Washes Up on Australian Beach

A squid as long as a bus and weighing 550 pounds washed up on an Australian beach, officials said Wednesday.

"It is a whopper," said Genefor Walker-Smith, a zoologist who studies invertebrates at the Tasmanian Museum.

Giant squid live in waters off southern Australia and New Zealand where a half-ton colossus, believed to be the world's largest, was caught in February. They attract the sperm whales that feed on them.

The dead squid, measuring 3 feet across at its widest point and 26 feet from the tip of its body to the end of its tentacles, was found early Wednesday by a beachcomber at Ocean Beach on the island state of Tasmania's west coast, the museum said.

The squid was expected to be taken to the museum, where DNA and other scientific tests would be carried out before it is preserved and possibly put on public display.

For anyone thinking of a calamari feast, Walker-Smith said giant squid contain high levels of ammonia in their bodies as a buoyancy aid.

"It would not taste very nice at all," she said.

New Zealand fishermen netted a 1,100-pound, 33-foot-long squid in the Southern Ocean in February. It is widely believed to be the largest specimen of the rare and mysterious deep-water species Mesonychoteuthis hamiltoni, or colossal squid, ever caught.

Experts believe the creatures, which have long been one of the most mysterious denizens of the deep ocean, may grow even bigger up to 46-feet long.

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Truth or Fiction? New Loch Ness Sighting
British Man Claims He's Captured New Footage of the Loch Ness Monster Beneath Lake in Scotland

This shadowy something is what someone says is a photo of the Loch Ness monster in Scotland. An amateur scientist claims he has captured what Loch Ness Monster watchers say is among the finest footage ever taken of the elusive mythical creature reputed to swim beneath the waters of Scotland's most mysterious lake.

The Loch Ness monster is back and there's video. A man has captured what Nessie watchers say is possible footage of the supposed mythical creature beneath Scotland's most mysterious lake.

"I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this jet black thing, about 45 feet long, moving fairly fast in the water," said Gordon Holmes, the 55-year-old a lab technician from Shipley, Yorkshire, who took the video Saturday.

Nessie watcher and marine biologist Adrian Shine viewed the video and hoped to properly analyze it in the coming months.

"I see myself as a skeptical interpreter of what happens in the loch, but I do keep an open mind about these things and there is no doubt this is some of the best footage I have seen," said Shine, of the Loch Ness 2000 center in Drumnadrochit, on the shores of the lake.

Holmes said whatever it was moved at about 6 mph and kept a fairly straight course.

"My initial thought is it could be a very big eel, they have serpent-like features and they may explain all the sightings in Loch Ness over the years."

Loch Ness is surrounded by myth. It's the largest inland body of water in Britain, and at about 750 feet to the bottom, it's even deeper than the North Sea.

"There are a number of possible explanations to the sightings in the loch. It could be some biological creature, it could just be the waves of the loch or it could some psychological phenomenon in as much as we see what we want to see," Shine said.

While many sightings can be attributed to a drop of the local whisky, legends of Scottish monsters date back to one of the founders of the Christian church in Scotland, St. Columba, who wrote of them in about 565 A.D.

More recently, there have been more than 4,000 purported Nessie sightings since she was first caught on camera by a surgeon on vacation in the 1930s.

Since then, the faithful have speculated about it is a completely unknown species, a sturgeon even though they have not been native to Scotland's waters for many years or even a last surviving dinosaur.

Article/Video Link

http://www.abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=3231769

Heather B:

I am jealous!! I wish I remembered my natural hair color to be able to go back to it!! I've been messing with it for so long, I dont know what color it would turn out to be if I let it grow out... But red suits my temperment and attitude so I stick with burgandy/auburn/copper tones.

Midnite,

My hair went from a really pretty dirty blonde to that mousy dark dishwater blonde bordering on light brown.

I'm going with something lighter, though. Something pretty.

It's a huge "risk" for me to take since my hair's been dark since about 8th grade. I haven't seen my natural color in six years.

Of course there wasn't much effort put into this story Jill. The AP and many others realize that Louisiana banning this one procedure will result in saving 0 babies from being slaughtered! They'll just use a different procedure or keep on using that one because no one is around to enforce this ban.

If the language is like the Supreme Court's majority opinion then the abortionist can still perform this procedure as long as it was done "unintentionally".

Nothin to celebrate here Jill. Absolutely nothing. Well, unless you are a member of the Louisiana congress that voted for this ban to make yourself look better when the next election comes around. Or if you are a pro-life lawyer who wants to give the impression that you helped to pass a law that will stop babies from being aborted.

...

I tipped my hair pink and dyed my bangs pink this weekend.

I had a wee bit of fun on Friday night with my friends. Yes we were sober. :D

hehe I loved my hair when the tips were hot pink. My mother almost had a stroke that summer. So much fun. But mine was the result from a drunken girls night with whiskey...lol

Hey Jill, do you agree with Scalia that it would be just as wrong for the Supreme Court to make a federal law banning abortion as it was to make Roe v Wade?

If such a ban would prevent nearly a million babies from being aborted each year would you support a federal ban on abortion? Or do you think that each individual state should have the option to decide whether or not to legalize the crime of murdering babies?

After I go blonde, I can do funky colors in my hair :D.

I'm thinking that at some point, I might put some blue or purple streaks underneath...or something.

oooooh do some black and purple streaks.... wow I should just come do it for you!!! :-)

Hmm...Maybe.

The black isn't likely, but I'm probably going to definitely do blue or purple at some point.

G'Mornin' Everyone,

Question #4: You come across a key. Describe it.
What do you do with it?

Okay I have 3 and 4

Zeke, I answered your Scalia question on another post. You didn't respond.

Cameron said, "OMG... the liberal press abstained from putting morally loaded and medically inaccurate/inconcise spin on it. So sorry!"

Cam, omitting the NAME of the ban and the procedure that was banned has nothing to do with being "morally loaded... medically inaccurate... inconcise." It has to do with immorally loaded, medically inaccurate, inconcise journalism.

Hey Zeke,

your adamant stand displays a want to end abortion via non-peaceful means?????????????

if you eliminate any federal involvement - abortion will become the main divisive/polarizing issue in State elections. It has the make-up to 'force' a very large segment of society to comply to the very opposite view .... the tyranny of the majority.

Is this enough? I think that the way people are right now in American society that people will either: A) fight a new civil war; B) such a federal ban could potentially [MAYBE] also paralyze legislative and court systems.

The problem is the 'iffy' nature of this issue. Am I to make war/enemies on those who disagree with me? Or am I to make peace and reconciliation? The 'enemy' will still be there after such a battle ... this kind of victory is hollow!

Gotta love it. I turned on the TV just now, and the prez of PP is speaking. She keeps referring to "Women's health." I'm gonna watch a bit more. I can tell that she's being very careful about the way she words things.

LOL! Her audience looks like they're falling asleep on her! LMAO!

Ok, question 3 & 4 are done.

"She keeps referring to "Women's health."

liars

Hey MK!!! Sorry I didn't start the game yesterday. I was busy with class and other stuff last night....having troubles with my teenage brother. He's entering that completely troublesome stage and being a real...for lack of a better word...prick....to people in my family.

just to let you know, I've caught up on all 4 questions. :) I'm ready for the next one. This is interesting. :D

Heather and Midnite: Even with platinum blonde hair, I find it extremely hard to put any dye in it. It's so weird...it's like my hair is resisting anything I do to it. I tried putting bright purple/pink streaks in it, and it came out the next day. My friend, who has naturally dark hair, was able to keep her streaks permanently until she dyed her hair again. *sigh*

Yeah,
Alyssa's here!

I'm going to therapy now, and when I get back I'll post question 5.

Still waitin' on Midnite, Heather4Life, Heather B.,
Rosie, and Jen C...

Must not be morning people!

jasper, I knew she was "Going to GO there." She said, "If abortion is illegal, it will continue." "However, women will die."

I'm in!

MK,

I shall answer the 4th question when I arrive at work.

Lyssie,

What kind of dye did you use?

MK, good luck at therapy. Hope you're progressing quickly. My dad is in therapy now after surgery to repair his left rotator cuff. Not fun. He's also dealt with bad knee problems. Really harsh recovery.

Midnite: The dye was a permanent one called "Raspberry Kamikaze". The stuff was supposed to totally take over my hair color. It failed. Lol. Still got sand-dune colored locks.

Hey Rae,

We're also waitin' for you...how many have you answered so far?

Do the answers have to be very detailed, MK? Just wondering. :)

Well, I'll be back later to check in on the questions. Talk to all of you in a bit. :)

Ok, MK 4 is finished. Sorry had to get some stuff done before I could play, lol.

And no I am not a morning person, never have been and probably never will be. I wake up at 8:30 to be at work at 9...

Jill,

Let me guess... you think they should have used the "partial birth abortion?" Let me know when you find that in a medical dictionary.... while your at it... see if you can find pre-baby, or the word murder in the abortion definition.

alright MK, I am patiently waiting for question 5.... Come on wit it!! (LOL)

done with number 4.

"Pro-choicers"

Many people have become apathetic about abortion. Since they have already been born, abortion is no threat to them personally. Why should they care about someone else�s baby? If there is any lesson to be learned from September 11, 2001, it is that we should value and protect innocent human life even if it is not our own. This lack of value was the direct cause of the terrorist acts. Think about it. The terrorists and those who directed them had no value for the lives of the flight attendants whose throats were slashed or the innocent people who frantically tried to leave those buildings, many jumping to their deaths.

This same lack of value for innocent human life is the direct cause of legalized abortion. You see, pro-choicers are not pro-choice for themselves. They would not even consider abortion for those they love. They are pro-choice for others. Choice is their convenient way to eliminate those "other" people. Each day 3500 innocent babies in the womb are being slaughtered in this country while they spout their evil lies. They will, one day have answer for their awful actions and words.

Jasper,

The last time I checked, I don't "lack" value of human life. Try again buddy.

"You see, pro-choicers are not pro-choice for themselves. They would not even consider abortion for those they love."

I'm missing your point I think Jasper. Most pro-choice people do want abortion legal for those they love, i.e., their daughters, their mothers, their sisters.

How about the huge number of women who had abortions, aren't they "pro-choice for themselves?"

"I'm missing your point I think Jasper. Most pro-choice people do want abortion legal for those they love, i.e., their daughters, their mothers, their sisters."

Look at it this way Hal:

It you could turn back time, would you have wanted your mother aborted?

"How about the huge number of women who had abortions, aren't they "pro-choice for themselves?"

No, they've already been born, of course there not pro-choice for themselves. Would they have not wanted to be born?

"Jasper,

The last time I checked, I don't "lack" value of human life. Try again buddy."

Thats great Midnite! when did you turn pro-life..

Everybody! midnite values human life! she's pro-life!

Thanks Jasper. I did misunderstand you.

Jasper,

Serisouly, when are you going to grow up and act like the "man/father" that you are supposed to be? Stop acting childish and twisting my words around. I can be pro-choice and value human life. In fact, I even value your life for some odd reason....

"I even value your life for some odd reason...."

why thank-you Midnite, I value your life as well, and make sure that boyfiend treats you nice.

Yeah, well he is angering me at the moment. But alas, I shall be victorious :P

MK:

5th Question, please??

Sorry I'm late, MK. I went to bed around 8 this morning, so.....

Anyway, fourth question answered.

How many are there?

Well John, we went to war over whether or not blacks could be owned as property. Why not have a civil war over something even more significant - the killing of the innocent? Or are your values and beliefs not really worth fighting for?

Jill Stanek
Your responses to my two questions that I went back and read on an older blog post were not good at all. To make it easier for you to respond to what I am actually getting at so you can't sidestep what I am asking you I will quote Scalia directly.

Scalia said on Feb. 4, 2002 at a Pew Forum,

"I will strike down Roe v. Wade, but I will also strike down a law that is the opposite of Roe v. Wade. ... One [side] wants no state to be able to prohibit abortion and the other one wants every state to have to prohibit abortion, and they're both wrong..."

Do you agree with what Scalia says here or not?

Zeke,

What exactly are you getting at?
"Well John, we went to war over whether or not blacks could be owned as property. Why not have a civil war over something even more significant - the killing of the innocent? Or are your values and beliefs not really worth fighting for?"

So are you rallying an army of some sort to "go to war" against abortions? Are you willing to kill more innocent lives through your war? Do you support Abortion Clinic Bombings as well?

Zeke,

RE: PBA ban...

JUSTICE THOMAS, with whom JUSTICE SCALIA joins,
concurring.

I join the Courts opinion because it accurately applies current jurisprudence. I write
separately to reiterate my view that the Courts abortion jurisprudence, including Casey and Roe v. Wade, 410 U. S.113 (1973), has no basis in the Constitution.

Alyssa,

Do the answers have to be very detailed, MK? Just wondering. :)
Posted by: Lyssie at July 17, 2007 09:17 AM

They can be whatever you want Alyssa, but I will tell you that that is part of the game...Whether they are short or long will be as revealing as what they are...

ooooh 5th question please???

Ray, Alyssa, Bethany, Jasper, Midnite, Danny, Heather B., Heather4Life, and Rosie,

You have all been very patient.

Here is question #5 AND #6...

#5: In some games this is a tree and in some it is a body of water. I'll let you pick which one you want to describe. Or you can do both if you want.

You come to a body of water. Describe your body of water. How do you cross it?

and/or

You come to a tree. Describe your tree.

AND #6: On the other side of the water you find yourself on an island. There is a nasty thunderstorm coming. What do you do for shelter?

There is only one more question. I'm going out to dinner. When I get back I'll give you #7 and then we can begin posting our answers...

hehe, 5 and 6 are done. Although, I wont be home until like 9 or 10 tonight b/c I have class until 7:30 and then I am going out to eat at 8 for my friend Kevin. He's going back to Iraq on Thursday, sooo it'll be a little while until I can answer 7 and post my answers

done!

That's fine midnite...

It will probably be tomorrow morning before we begin posting them anyway...

I'll have up #7 tonite, and everyone can answer as they come on?

Any idea where Rae or Jen C are?

Yikes! I hear it's very hot in Iraq right now! My husband's uncle is there translating, he's originally from Syria. He has a cousin there too.

Jasper

Scalia is pro-choice state-by-state. He doesn't recognize that no level of government has the leeway to legalize crime.

We have an illegitimate government operating around the nation right now.

hmmm, I can IM Rae and see if she's near a computer

I have #5 and #6

midnight678

If we could fight a war over the next few years that would bring an end to the slaughter of MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of innocent and defenseless babies over the next 100 years I would totally do it.

Why do you think it wouldn't be worth fighting for? Are you so in love with your current comfort level that you refuse to fight for what's good and right?

Now Zeke,

They're not even willing to vote for what's good and right, let alone fight for it.

Midnite,
Yeah, well he is angering me at the moment. But alas, I shall be victorious :P

Want to vent?

Zeke,

Apparently what you and I think is good and right differ. I wish abortion numbers would go down dramatically. But I don't see that happening any time soon with that crap "Abstince Only" education that our Government is waisting money on.

Would I kill an adult human (innocent life) to save an unborn child's life? NO. Absolutely Not. Would I blow up a Pro-Life organization to "prove" a point? Absolutely Not. But we do not agree on that opinion. I am pro-choice and you are apparently a fanatic Pro-lifer.

Am I in love with my "comfort level"? Not quite sure what you mean with that question. No, I am not. I am scared to death everyday that terrorists will attack our country again. I am scared to death that one of my friends will get killed in Iraq because of a fanatic Islam that thinks Allah told him to.

Does that answer your questions?

Now answer mine: Would you blow up an abortion clinic to prove a point and make your "war" a reality?

MK:

He just angers me, and I am about to blow up about it. I mean he never wants to touch me, hold my hand, kiss me anything. I know he loves me, but I feel like I am an embarrassment to him or he is repulsed by me. I cant figure out which one it is to be honest with you. I once had a guy in a bar think I was lying about him being my BF. I understand PDA (obsessive amounts) is gross but, come on, he could kiss my cheek, or just hold my frigging hand and I would be happy.

Does any of that make sense?

OK, off to class to learn new stuff. I shall return later tonight when I get home from dinner...

Midnite,

If I may poke my nose in here. You are a beautiful and intelligent young woman with a great future. You can have your pick of men. You don't have to tolerate this. Take it from me, who due to my advanced age has been around the block a few more times, no amount of cajoling, arguing, reasoning, or patience will change him. If this is intolerable to you, please keep what I said in mind. It will not get better.

Eep! I'm sorry MK, I'm still answering questions. I've been busy with class and work today, I just got home about a half hour. :D

Mary, those were true words of wisdom....Midnite, I hope you will take them to heart. I'm sorry he's putting you through that.

Urg...MK.... I am finished with the next few questions. :)

Bethany and Mary:

Thanks, he is slowly getting a little better, but I love him so I guess it is something I am going to have to put with for a little while atleast... But I must run. Being on the internet in class is a "no no", hehe

done with 5 & 6

Okay,

Now for the grand finale!

Question #7:

You come to a wall.

The wall is as high as eternity.
As deep as eternity.
As thick as eternity.
As far to the left and right as eternity.

What do you do?

I'll give you time to answer and then I'll give you the okay to post your answers...

Wait for it...no jumpin' the gun!

Got it!

Midnite,

In every relationship there is stuff that you have to "Deal with". The trick is to decide what you can accept (and by accept I mean no whining, no trying to change them) and which things are simply unacceptable.

The second thing to consider is that you and he have had different pasts. Is there something in his that makes the touchy-feely stuff uncomfortable?

Thirdly, have you asked him. Not attacked him but asked him?

So often when we try to express our feelings to someone we go into attack mode. "You never touch me! You're always so distant" Obviously, this immediately puts the other person on the defensive and instead of communicating they begin to posture and "fight back".

Try talking to him by using the "I" phrasing...
Joe, when you hold my hand or kiss me in front of my friends I feel like the queen of the earth! You make me feel like I'm the only person in your whole world! It's like you're a big back silverback gorilla claiming his "woman"...I love it! But when you don't hold my hand, or when you won't kiss me, I feel like a big bafoon, like everybody thinks I'm needy and clingy and like I'm the only one who has any feelings in this relationship. Is there something about public displays that makes you uncomfortable. Because right now, I'm feeling undesirable, and I need to know if it's me or you.

You see? No defenses. Now he can explain his side without feeling like you've unmanned him.

Does that make sense?

I know you know what I'm talking about because it's exactly what you accuse Jasper of doing to you all the time. And you see how you react. You couldn't care less what the point he was trying to make was, all you can see is red because you feel like he attacked you...

WATCH "FACE THE TRUTH TOUR" VIDEO ON YOUTUBE COMPLIMENTS OF GENERATIONSFORLIFE.ORG...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxVBb6VvrAo&NR=1

Mike

Thanks Mike,

I was in that video...I'm the one standing across the street by myself holding the "Eighth week of Life" sign, just before he pans to the driveway...

It was a great day. By far more thumbs up, than fingers pointing to heaven.

Thanks again!

MK, Mike,

thanks for doing God's work, amen.....where was that located?

It was a 7 day tour, with three stops each day. This was the last day and the only one I attended. Jill went to one earlier in the week.

First we lined Milwaukee ave in Niles, then we hit Evanston, Illinois and lastly we did Lincolnwood which is between Skokie and Evanston.

Here's the full itinerary...

9:00-10:30 Joliet
West Jefferson Street and North Larkin Avenue Map
11:30-1:00 Shorewood
Brook Forest Road and Black Road Map
3:00-4:30 Plainfield
Route 59 and Caton Farm Road Map

Sunday, July 8
Day Off
Monday, July 9
Downtown Chicago

Note different start and end times this day.
9:30-11:00 Chicago: Buckingham Fountain
Lake Shore Drive and Jackson Boulevard Map
11:30-1:00 Chicago: Art Institute
Michigan Avenue and Monroe Street Map
3:30-5:30 Chicago: Union Station
Adams Street and Wacker Drive Map

Tuesday, July 10
Rockford

9:00-10:30 Rockford: Swedish American Hospital
East State Street and 9th Street Map
11:30-1:00 Rockford: East Side
East State Street and Alpine Road Map
3:00-4:30 Rockford: East Side
East State Street and Perryville Road Map

Wednesday, July 11
South Side Chicago

9:00-10:30 Chicago: Garfield Ridge
43rd Street and Cicero Avenue Map
11:30-1:00 Bridgeview
87th Street and Harlem Avenue Map
3:00-4:30 Chicago: Ford City Mall
72nd Street and Cicero Avenue Map [Back to Top]

Thursday, July 12
North Suburbs

9:00-10:30 Deerfield
Waukegan Road and Lake Cook Road Map
11:30-1:00 Northbrook
Dundee Road and Pfingsten Road Map
3:00-4:30 Glenview
Willow Road and Patriot Boulevard Map

Friday, July 13
Western Suburbs

9:00-10:30 Woodridge
Route 53 and 75th Street Map
11:30-1:00 Naperville
Washington Street and Ogden Avenue Map
3:00-4:30 Aurora
Route 59 and New York Street Map

Saturday, July 14
Near North Suburbs

9:00-10:30 Niles
Touhy Avenue and Milwaukee Avenue Map
11:30-1:00 Evanston
Davis Street and Ridge Avenue Map
3:00-4:30 Lincolnwood
McCormick Boulevard and Touhy Avenue Map

"Scalia is pro-choice state-by-state."

I agree Zeke, thats no good.....

Okay,

Here's how you should post them...

Put all of your answers in one post. That way they will be easy to refer back to.

Number them 1 through 7. If you answered both the tree and the water question, answer them 5a. and 5b.

When everybody has posted, I'll tell you what they mean.

John Mcdonell was afraid he wouldn't be around today, so I'll post his first.

READY?

done with #7

Hi midnite,

I don't see it often but 'shyness' is huge for males ... most act outrageous; others get loud and weird but there are a few who are very dumbfounded by extreme beauty ... and you've got that in spades. I was (and still am) one of that last bunch. We do not understand how anyone (let alone someone so pretty) could ever be interested in me. [Being 'gorgeous' just does not compute in self-assessment!]

I think it comes from having a real pretty and smart Mom. Can't give you any tips on what to do ... except be yourself and let him be himself when around you.

Best ........

done

JOHN MCDONEL:

#1 You're walking down a road...

Is despair my path to venture,
since I cannot walk?

And wooded mount mere illusion
of yesterday's child?

I can still taste the air crisp
and hear the yellowing leaves carpet the earth's floor
In my dream

#2 You come to an obstacle...

obstacles are my friends I'm told,
so does this make me a popular fellow
.... strange: I thought it was an effervescent personality.

#3 You find a cup...

empty ... reminds me to find thirst

#4 You find a key...

throw it away . I'm safe with trust!

#5 You come to a body of water...

calm ocean , my friend... why be elsewhere?

#6 You come to an island...

go under a tree to stay dry and wait

I'm holding off on John's answer to #7 as it is too good and could be a spoiler...

Okay,
Everyone else...you're up!

John,

You just made a liar out of me...

Anywho, yer post is up!

1.) Summer, about 80 degrees, sunny and the trees are green, 10am in the morning

2.) Obstacle is a raging stream waist deep, walk through it slowly.

3.) My cup I found is quite old, I throw it away.

4.) I find a key, it's very old, I put it in my pocket

5.) I come to a body of water, a small pond, don't have a boat, I walk around it

6.) I build shelter with branches, leaves, peat moss, etc on slightly higher ground to avoid getting wet.

7.) The wall, if it was thick, deep, wide, tall as eternity, it would be covering me. I couldn't do anything. I turn around and walk back the way I came.

@MK: There you go. :D

1) It’s early evening and the summer air is cool and slightly muggy. The path is dirt with tree ruts popping out in the middle of the roads. Squirrels dart across the clearing, hopping from tree to tree in two short bounds. One little squirrel suddenly stops in the middle of the road and looks up dramatically as if he had just remembered he left the gas on in his little squirrel-hole kitchen. Fireflies blink through the bushes that grace the side of the path. Winking on and off like little stars that that were shining eons ago and are now no longer in existence…only not because fireflies are insects, not giant balls of gas.

2) I continue walking and I suddenly come to a fallen tree. It must have fallen during the last storm. The tree appears to be too large to just hop over, and I’m not particularly fond of getting dirty to climb over it. Unfortunately it’s a very large tree, and it goes far off of the path on in both directions and since I have a paralyzing fear of ticks, I have no desire to leave the cleared path. Instead, I suck it up and climb over the path, scraping my knee on the mossy bark. I have streaks of dirt up my shins, but I manage to make it over the tree no worse for where.

3) As I continue walking, I notice there’s a small cup on the side of the path. I lean over and pick it up and brush off some of the dirt and pour out the little bit of water that had gathered in it. It’s a small china teacup with teeny pastel pink sakura flowers dotted with little green leaves and yellow dots. I figure since my clothes are already dirty, that it doesn’t really matter to wipe off some of the more persistent mud smudges. On the bottom edge of the teacup side I spotted some lavender script that said, “To my love, Agnes.”

4) The sun has continued to set, and the atmosphere has taken an ethereal violet hue. The mosquitoes have come out and nip at my arms. I notice something shiny on the ground ahead of me; I hop over to it and investigate. It’s a key. Just a simple bicycle lock key. The little key was attached to a keychain that was a little glass jar filled with white glitter that was capped with a tiny cork, the sides of the jar simply said “fairy dust”. The key itself was not terribly intricate; it simply had a black, plastic end on it with the word, “Blister” on it.

5) I proceeded with walking along the path and I came to a stream. It’s getting late and while there is a path to go about a mile down the stream to a small stone footbridge, I don’t think I have time to go down there. I look up the stream and a ways up there is a fallen tree, I walk over to the tree and climb up on to it in order to get over to the other side of the stream. Unfortunately I’m a complete klutz and I slipped and fell off of the tree into the stream. Luckily the stream was deeper than I had originally suspected so I didn’t hurt myself on the streambed. The water was lukewarm and fast and it quickly swept me downstream towards the lake in which it emptied into. I saw the footbridge that I had originally considered taking and I cursed myself for my lack of patience and desire to walk all the way to the bridge. It didn’t take long, and soon I was flushed out of the stream into the peaceful lake. The water is calm and the moon reflected off the water’s surface.

6) I reclined in the water and closed my eyes and just floated in the water. The sky was now dark and the wind was picking up. I opened my eyes and the moon was gone. Tumultuous clouds filled the sky and a flash of lightning seared across the sky. I knew there was an island in the middle of the lake, and I quickly swam over to it as it was too dangerous to stay in the water during a storm. I climbed out of the water and the wind chilled me and the rain began to pour. Thunder crashed overhead and the trees swayed violently. I needed a place to warm up and get out of the storm. I continue stumbling through the woods on the island until I came up on a small fishing shack, and I totally lucked out because the door wasn’t locked. I let myself in and quickly close the door, and attempted to search for a source of light, there was none. Sighing, I sat down on a small, filthy cot and wrapped the moth-eaten blanket around me. As the world sounded like it was being rained away outside the shack, I whistled Christmas music to keep myself calm.

7) After the storm, I leave the shack and I continue walking around the island until curiously enough, I come to a wall, it goes on forever in every direction. It goes on forever above me; it goes forever to the left and rights and forever in front of me. I couldn’t do anything but turn around and slowly work my way home.

1. Early evening, fall,@75 degrees and low humidity. Dense woods, big thick trees.

2. A mammoth. I climb up his trunk across his back and down his tail.

3. A plastic blue cup. I save it just in case I get thirsty.

4.An old silver skeleton key. I put it in my pocket.

5. The body of water is a creek and I cross it by stepping on the stones that lead across it so I don't get wet. I take a drink while i'm there.

6. I look for a cave or I make a temporary shelter out of branches and leaves. I may get wet anyway though, oh well.

7.I turn around and go home the way I came.

You guys are doin' great so far...

We will probably have to wait awhile for everyone to post tho...

Sorry!

All right Rae,

And the reason you're not going to be a writer is?

#1 My road is a highway, paved with tar, trees on either side. It leads to the woods. It morning, dew sparkling, fall, crisp but not cold, colors blazing and a sky that's easter egg blue filled with what I call "magic clouds"...those big white billowy ones...for some reason I am always wearing a red corduroy jacket lined with plaid flannel...go figure. I can't see them, but I know that there are magical beings about...it's an enchanted forest. Troll bridges, hobbit houses...probably had just finished reading the hobbit that year.

#2 I did this when I was 18, so forgive my answer.
I come across a group of guys sitting on a log smokin' a joint. We talk, we smoke, I go over the log and continue on...

#3 I find a cup like you get at the Ren Faires...hammered pewter, shaped like a chalice, covered in pewter grapes and grapeleaves. It's filled with ice cold water and no matter how much of it I drink, it keeps refilling.

#4 I find a key that is shaped like a skeleton key but it isn't old. Or at least it doesn't look old. It's solid gold and tho I expect it to be warm when I pick it up, it's very cold. I hold it my hand, afraid even to put it in my pocket.

#5a My tree was one of those old, gnarly trees with twisty branches and no leaves. It was haunting, but not scary...

#5b My body of water was an ocean, wild with waves, crashing, and yet somehow I manage to swim across it...hey, it's a game, okay?

#6 My shelter is a small cave, quite cozy, and I sit at the entrance and watch the storm...I love thunderstorms.

I'll hold off on #7 as it is much like John's and could be a spoiler.

These are the same answers that I gave back when I first read the pigman in highschool. I haven't changed any of them. (If I was going to change them, I would have changed number 2, and as you can see, it's the same today as it was 35 years ago...

DO NOT READ ANY ONE ELSE'S TIL YOU POST YOURS...

OR ELSE!

@MK: I can't think of a story. :) I've had chronic writer's block since I was 12. I haven't written a fictional story since.

Rae,

PHOOEY!

You just wrote an amazing one...I know I want to walk with you!

You really just need a character, like a Dobbie, to get you started...I have the feeling the rest will flow quite easily...

Talk about talent! Sheesh!

MK,

I've got some work to catch up on this evening before I'm able to fine-tune some of my answers (and that means actually thinking about them and describing them well). Right now they're just kind of in outline form....

Anyway...I haven't read anyone else's yet. I'll post hopefully by midnight tonight.

When I was a little girl I read a book called TWIG.
By Elizabeth Orton Jones. It was out of publication for a long time, but you can get it again...she so reminds me of you. You would absolutely LOVE this book. It's still one of my top 10 favorites.
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Here's a link: http://www.purplehousepress.com/twig.htm

That's fine Heather...I'll post the answers tomorrow...

MK,
"All right Rae,

And the reason you're not going to be a writer is?"

I second that!!!

I know Rosie,
Wasn't that amazing?

Rae, WOW, your writing really blows me away... if you write a book, please let me know so I can be your first customer!

@MK: I liked your story. :) The Pigman was an unusual book, I wish I remembered more about it, I haven't read it in 6-7 years.

Rae,

Ooooooohhh Valerie is going to be sooooo jealous...

Rae,

6 or 7 years? Try 35! I loved all of Paul Zindels books...Effect of Gamma Rays on the Man in the Moon Marigolds, The Undertakers Gone Bananas, Pardon Me, You're stepping on my Eyeball, My Darling, My Hamburger...Can't remember what any of them was about specifically, just that all of the characters were quirky...might have to re-read them...hmmmmm.

Rae,

Did you link to TWIG? I swear if I had your address I'd buy you a copy and send it to you...

@MK: I'm going to look at "TWIG" right now, I'll take a looksy at the library and if all else fails I'll go shopping around Minneapolis, there are all sorts of weird little book stores around campus.

Those books sounds awesome, I love weird titles like that...one of my favorite books is titled "Angus, Thongs and Full Frontal Snogging". :D

The last book I read was a really crummy memoir that I'm pretty certain was more fiction than fact (it was called "Running With Scissors" by Augusten Burroughs, I *don't* recommend it). The last *good* book I read was "Level 4: Virus Hunters of the CDC" by Dr. Joseph McCormick and Dr. Susan Fisher-Hoch. It's a pretty good book, a little confusing because it's not that well-written but interesting nevertheless.

Rae,

"Now this head which I am outlining here on this 12 week child, is simply too large to be pulled in one piece out of the uterus. The abortionist is going to have to employ this instrument, the polyp forceps in an attempt to grab the head. The abortionist will attempt to crush the head with this instrument in this manner and remove the head piece meal from the uterus."

http://www.silentscream.org/silent_e.htm

12 weeks:
http://pennhealth.com/ency/imagepages/9572.htm?articleID=002398

Rae,

These days I either read junk novels (pulp fiction?), Dean Koontz, Linda Howard, and anything else that I can read 5 pages and fall asleep,

or

G K Chesterton, books on prophecies, miracles, saints...these can be tough reads and are in sharp contrast to the "garbage books".

I love to read...I read at therapy, when I'm cooking, when I'm walking, when I'm eating...I just spent three hours in Barnes and Noble today.

Had to get a birthday present for this guy at therapy. His mom comes for the therapy, he just sits in his wheelchair and watches. He looks like his has Cerebral Palsy but his dad says it's something else, something really rare. I complain because I have to do the stairmaster and he laughs and laughs...and I'm so humbled because he'll never even walk. Anyway, we've struck up a friendship (granted I do all the talking) and he communicates by grunting or rolling his eyes. He's got a wicked sense of humor and is way smarter than you'd think. I got him the Hobbit (He's read the trilogy, but not that one) and The Outsiders (another one in my top 10 favs.)

1.Early morning, cool fall weather, pretty colorful leaves are everywhere on the ground.

2.A log. I climb over it.

3. It is a white teacup with a blue stripe around the top. I drink from it.

4. It is a very large, ornate gold key. I put it in my purse.

5. It's a little creek, and I take off my shoes and wade across.

6. Build a small shelter with branches and leaves, supposing there are any available. If not, I guess I use my clothes as an umbrella and just let it rain.

BETHANY
I'm holding her last answer back too...

Rae, I like you more and more each day! I have to post my list. Please forgive me...hectic schedule these days. Jasper, thank you for that link. I have seen it before. Very upsetting!! MK, hope the leg is okay!!

@Jasper: I fail to see your point and quite honestly, I don't feel like dealing with you this evening.

@MK: I wish I read more. I used to read Japanese comics all the time in middle and high school. When I was in elementary school I practically used to read a book per day. I think school killed my love for reading because they used to make me read such crappy books ("Ellen Foster", "Scarlet Letter" etc...).

Oh! Here's a fantastic book: "The Kite Runner" by Khaled Hosseini. It takes place in Afghanistan just before the Russians went in and takes place up until about 2003-ish. It's a very intense read but it is probably one of the best books I've read in years.

Rae,

I just asked my John about it...says he loved it but I'd hate it...I was so angry after seeing Hotel Rwanda that I couldn't talk about it for weeks...I still get furious when I hear the soundtrack!

I might try it anyway...I'm tough!

jasper, the part that really makes me sick is the babies in the buckets. One abortionist's quote; "Aborted babies are just garbage." It looks like that's the case.

All right Heather,

Let's have your answers...

MK, I will have to post it tomorrow. I was just about to log off and hit the sheets. Soooo sleepy! I will see y'all tomorrow! Nite nite!

Heather,

at life dynamics, you wouldnt believe the language similiarities between PP, abortion clinics, pro-choice movement with the Nazis.

you can how they both sweet talk the killing...

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The euphemisms used by Nazis and abortion advocates are eerily similar. Death camps were called "relocation centers" in Nazi Germany and Nazi Occupied Europe. Death camps are called "reproductive health centers" in modern America. The Jews were described as a "parasitic race" by Hitler, while the unwanted child is described "a mere parasite" by Planned Parenthood. The end result then was "termination" of the Jews and the end result now is "termination of pregnancy."

All right Heather,

But I can't post the answers til you post yours, and Midnite is chompin' at the bit...

G'night, til tomorrow then. Dream sweet!

@MK: It made me angry too, but it has a very hopeful/happy ending. I once read this really, really good Star Trek: DS9 fanfic that involved the one of the characters getting flung to earth into Nazi Poland and he was in a concentration camp while his crew-mates were searching for him. It was really good, it was probably the best fanfic I've ever read.

"Confessions of a Wallflower" is a really good book too, it's very depressing, but I suppose the fact that it moved me so means it was very well written. I really liked it, one of these days I'll have to re-read it.

1) I am walking along a gravel road close to sunset. The rocks seem to all be white in color with a few gray ones mixed in. The trees begin to get closer to together and begin to hover over the road making it look like I'm walking through a tunnel. It is the fall, so there aren't any leaves on the tree and the light of the moon is lighting up the road. The limbs of the tree are casting a weblike shadow on the road.

2) I come to a huge rock that seems to have fallen off of a nearby cliff and is blocking my way. (did I forget to mention that the trees on the right hand side were going up a hill/cliff? hmmm... thought I did...;-) The rock is too big to walk around without leaving the road, which can be dangerous so climb over it. When I get to the top I jump off and am back on the gravel road.

3) While walking I see an old tin cup that is very tarnished. It is dented on the right side and very dirty. It is missing half of its handle. I keep the cup with me in case I need it.

4) A little way down the road I find a skeleton key that looks like it belongs to an old house. It is gold and seems to be in good shape. It hasn't been on the road for very long. I put it in my pocket.

5) When I leave the woods the road leads me to the shore. The water is calm and is not too cold when water washes over my foot. I walk along the shoreline until I find an old dock and a wooden boat tied to it. I climb in the boat and untie it, letting the water direct where I go.

6) When I land on a island I realize that I had fallen asleep and have drifted in the boat longer than expected. It is daybreak and the sky is reddish/orange with the sun coming up. The sky to the left is dark and threatening so I find a thicket of bushes to hide in.

7) After the storm is over I get out of the thicket and wander around. I see a never ending wall. That is when I realize there is no more road or water to take me any further. I turn around and begin to follow the path that will lead me home. Back on the boat I realize that this adventure wasn't much, quite anti-climatic, but I have an antique cup and a pretty skeleton key to take home with me.

All right all,

I'm gonna call it a night too. I'll be on early tomorrow morning...

Can't wait to read the rest of yours...

G'night!

Rae: "I fail to see your point and quite honestly, I don't feel like dealing with you this evening."

LOL! of course not....

LOL Jasper, you are so silly! You already have your opinion of me. You don't like me. You think I'm terribly misguided/evil/whatever. I'm tired of dealing with you and your annoying questions, I do answer your questions to the best of my ability but you keep asking them.

I am never in a million years going to change your mind, and quite frankly you aren't going to change mine, especially with your "tactics". If I were to change my mind, it certainly wouldn't be because of you and the idiotic websites you post on here.

Read this Jasper, I originally posted this in the "Mixing It Up" post. If you *don't* think I consider both sides and think about things you are very, very wrong, because believe it or not, I do think about things and consider what I learn:

"A few months ago, I had a friend who thought that she might have been pregnant. Naturally, I was concerned because I had known this friend since I was 8. She had been with her boyfriend on and off since they were 12 years old and as of now they've been together for about two years for their most recent relationship with each other.

Anyway, so she told me she was going to go to one of those pregnancy centers that are available around campus and she wanted me to come with her for moral support. I asked her what she was considering doing if she was pregnant. She said that she was probably going to get an abortion and to be quite honest, I was really friggin' pissed off at her. I knew she had been sleeping with her boyfriend and I knew she wasn't on the Pill at all (I'm pretty sure she used condoms though...). I was angry at her for being so irresponsible for not even *trying* to get the Pill to prevent things like this from happening. I had been nagging her for months to get on the Pill but she kept procrastinating.

So anyway, I told her that I would support any decision that she made and if she chose to keep the baby I would help out in any way possible. In fact, I was hinting at her to just have the kid and give it up for adoption, because after all, she too was adopted. I was also telling her that if she kept the baby I would help her get to appointments, I would baby-sit for free, I would do anything to help her out.

Fortunately, the pregnancy test was negative because to be honest, I'm not sure how I would have actually dealt with the problem as she more than likely would have had an abortion regardless of my help (or her parents for that matter and she has very supportive parents) and that frustrated me. In fact, this happened 4-5 months ago and I am *still* upset with her about this.

So yeah... "

"You don't like me. You think I'm terribly misguided/evil/whatever"

I do like you Rae and I don't think you're evil.

I won't bug you anymore tonight. From time to time I think it's good to remind pro-choicers what choice is...

MK -

You're right - I'm jealous of Rae's post!

Rae -

You are great at descriptive writing. You need to harness that. Most writers aren't very good at it. I love to write and have stories going on in my mind all the time. My descriptions are horrible, but I'm good at writing conversation and interactions with the characters.

You said you've had writers block since you were 12? Do you have any of your old stories? You may be amazed to see that there is probably a good plot somewhere in your early stuff. I actually wrote a short story based on three papers I had to write in creative writing class. You'll be inspired soon. I found that just blogging has helped my writing. Not my spelling, but my writing!

If you want someone to bump idea's off of let me know. I like to tell my husband some of my plots to see what he thinks, it has really helped!

Rae -

I hope your friend appreciates you. You are a good person and friend.

I did read that Rae from the other day and congratulated you.

"I was really friggin' pissed off at her"

Rae, this was your consciense speaking out. Deep inside (I believe ) you know abortion is wrong....other wise you would've have been so pissed off.

Whee, that was fun!

Q1: The road is paved, but becomes a dirt trail as you travel further down as it leads into a Park. It is an early summer morning, so there are no people around. Everything is peaceful and still, and the weather is cool. The area surrounding the road gradually become more grassy and full of foliage as you go, turning from a city to a suburb to grass and wildflowes, and finally to huge redwood trees untouched by humans.

Q2: I come to a giant hill. I like to hike, so up and over I go.

Q3: The cup is a red disposable plastic cup, probably left behind by some careless campers. I grind my teeth in frustration with stupid people who can�t be bothered to clean up after themselves, pick it up, and throw it away.

Q4: I see a small silver key in the dirt, probably a house key or bike key. I pick it up, and hope that I run into the person who lost it.

Q5: Next, I see a medium-sized lake with small streams feeding into it and running away from it. It has clear water, filled with small fish, birds, salamanders, frogs, butterfies, dragonflies, and other aquatic animals. There are plenty of green algae growing from the bottom, although not enough to cloud the water. The bottom of the lake and the area surrounding it is covered in sand and large, smoothed rocks. The water is clean enough, so I wade in, and swim to the other side where the island is.

Q6: I am now on an island, and a thunderstorm is coming. I gather up large branches that are on the ground to build a makeshift lean-to against a boulder. I cover the lean-to with leaves and bark I have gathered. It is not ideal shelter, but I can crawl under and keep at least partially dry. I also stuff leaves in my clothing and under my shelter to provide a little extra insulation from the cold.

Q7: I come to a wall, and think how the heck such a thing would be built out here. I look at it and try to determine what kind of material it is made of. I chip at it to take a sample of the wall material with me. Then I shrug, turn around, and head home because I had a good adventure and now I�m hungry.

@Jasper: I know perfectly well what "choice" entails. I don't need a reminder, I'm not stupid.

1: The path is well worn, and littered with the debris from the travelers who used it before me. Broken hopes and dreams, songs of the road, memories of fun, laughter, and merriment all lay in the ground as I walk towards the woods. There is a valley shrouded in the shadow of Death, and I carry a big stick to defend myself. When I reach the woods, the trees are ancient, filled with wisdom and memories that come from centuries of being the sentinels of this place. There is light, and darkness, good, and evil, in this forest. Yet, it all balances itself out.

2: There is a large dragon guarding the entrance of the forest. I befriend him, and he turns me into a dragon using mystical dark magic.

3: An old, battered tankard that magically fills itself with whatever I thirst for. Whiskey, ale, water, anything. It is made from black onyx stone, and has chips and scratches all over it.

4: I put the key around my neck on a chain that I possess. Later, I use it to unlock the secrets of my past, my future, and the secrets of life as we know it.

5: I come to a large body of water that spans a great distance. The water is clear and blue, and you can see the life it harbors. Because I don't know how far it goes, and if my dragon form would be able to fly that far, I transform into a crocodile and swim across.

5B. I come to an old tree. I don't really know what trees do, but I do know it involves breezes, branches, and leaves. I turn into a dragon and torch the sucker.

6: I turn into an armadillo and burrow into the ground, about six feet under, to wait out the storm. When the storm reaches its peak, I crawl out, turn back into a human, and ride out the rest of it, laughing into the winds and basking in the sheer destructive power nature has.

7: I sit by the wall, and wait a few days. I climb it, try to fly over it, and dig under it. Finally, I decided to break on through to the other side, and that's where I've been since I started 10 years ago.

Hey, MK.

Don't worry about my answers. I haven't even had a chance to answer...the last two, I think, and I'm still trying to get my work done for tomorrow.

Oh you guys,

You're answers are amazing! ! !

Okay, we still need Alyssa's, Midnites, Heather4Life, Jen C.'s (and HeatherB., there is still time)...

The problem is that once I post the answers no one else can play, so I have to wait...

Can't decide if we should take them one at a time or just post them all at once...

Any preferences?

Mary, JM, Cameron and SoMG,it's not too late to jump in.

These are not trick questions. At the very least, answer them for yourselves. You might learn things about yourself that you didn't know...you don't have to post the answers, though I'd really love to see them.

You can always email them to me...mum's the word!

Jill, if you're reading this, you can post yours too!
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Alright, I promised I didn't look at anyone's answers and got to the post where MK said we could finally put our answers down. I will just have to go back up top to see what mine mean. :)

1: I'm walking down a old, dusty dirt road lined with maple trees. The road gets narrower as I approach the wood, until it turns into a simple footpath trail into the forest dominated by pines and maples. It's a beautifully sunny, summer day, around noon-1:00. Bright and fluffy clouds are everywhere and wild morning glories and butterflies dot the landscape haphazardly.

2: I come to an old, rickety wooden fence that once looked like it was used to keep horses from going further. I clamber over it, avoiding splinters as much as possible.

3: I come across a shiny, gold-glinting chalice encrusted with rubies. I use my shirt to clean it and buff it to a gorgeous shine. I put it in my pocket to bring home and show to my mom.

4: I find an old, rusty skeleton key on the path. I look at the dilapidated old teeth on it and wonder if it would fit into the old doors in my 200-year old farmhouse. I plan to take it home and try.

5: The body of water I come to is a small pond, filled with tadpoles and water lilies. Since it's so calm and shallow, I walk gently through it so that I don't disturb the tadpoles. The old footpath continues on the other side.

6: The island lacks much foliage except for ferns and a few large willow trees. I grab a lot of ferns fronds and cover myself with them while huddling in the hollow of one of the willows. I know that these trees aren't particularly tall, so the maples/pines in the surrounding forest are more likely to get hit by lightning. I use this time to examine my key and chalice. I use the chalice to catch some of the rain and drink it, since I had been walking so long.

7: At the wall, I take out my key and start walking along the side. Chances are that I might come to a door along the way. I look for cracks in the wall and admire the graffiti on the side of it. I then add my initials and the date to it by carving them with the back end of the key. I want to leave my mark on the wall like so many before me.

Oooh, Rae, I am jealous. You gave a really pretty answer. *pouts*

And Danny, very impressive. Almost felt like throwing unicorns into my story, but it wasn't my first gut instinct. (I'm a huge fan of them, and I will be getting a black unicorn tattoo sometime in the future).

You people here are very deep. Awesome. :)

1. It is fall, and the leaves are just turning that pretty red, purple, and orange color. The trees overlay the road and no sun is shining in. All I see is the dirt road and the beautiful tree leaves. It is almost sunset as I see a bare spot in the leafy heavens I am looking at.

2. As I come to the end of the road (& at the edge of the woods) there is a huge tree that has fallen in my path. I can not walk around it and it is too high to simply step over. I have to find a way to climb over this huge tree. I find a limb that is close to the ground and I hoist myself up on it and find another branch to latch on to. As I get to the top I must now find a way to climb back down. I find more branches to lower myself back down to the dirt ground.

3. It is silver with small sapphires on it for decoration. I put it in my back pocket to keep for when I might need it.

4. The key is small and round. It is silver, but tarnished a little from the weather. It has a small hole in it (the back of the key). I put it in my other pocket and continue into the woods.

5. I come across a large creek, although it�s not big enough to be a river. It is a clear sparkling blue. It is moving down stream, but not at a fast pace. I am thirsty from my adventure, so I dip my cup into the water to get a drink of the cool water. I wonder up stream until I find a spot that