Last night's Aurora City Council Meeting on Planned Parenthood

by Fran Eaton and Jill Stanek



Comments:

I hope this clinic stays closed.

Posted by: Heather at August 29, 2007 1:59 PM


Jill,

Thank you. You did a great job on that video. Loved the music! You captured all the highlights and I am thrilled that the mayor is taking this seriously!


Hooray! My hero and BFF!

Posted by: mk at August 29, 2007 2:02 PM


Great job Jill as usual ( on the video and wnd piece). I wonder if the 2 people from "NOW" got down and prayed too?

Posted by: jasper at August 29, 2007 2:17 PM


Well, I thought pro lifers were the "losers" according to some. I sure can't tell.

Posted by: Heather at August 29, 2007 2:19 PM


Doubt it Jasper,

But it look like some of the council member did!

Posted by: mk at August 29, 2007 2:19 PM


Beautiful! Great choice of music, too.

Posted by: John Jansen at August 29, 2007 2:26 PM


Heather, I rented "office space", that was very funny...thanks.

Posted by: jasper at August 29, 2007 2:27 PM


jasper, glad you liked it. You've got to see it like 5 times.....get's even funnier. You should hear my impression of Milton and Lumberg. LOL!

Posted by: Heather at August 29, 2007 2:29 PM


"You should hear my impression of Milton and Lumberg. LOL!"

was Milton the guy who was obsessed with the red stapler? he was hillarious... LOL

Posted by: jasper at August 29, 2007 2:32 PM


yes! LOL!

Posted by: Heather at August 29, 2007 2:33 PM


Abortion accounts for 3% of Planned Parenthood's services. Of the other 97%;

How many MORE abortions are you going to generate by denying women access to birth control?
How many women are you going to kill by denying them pap smears and breast exams?
How many women are you willing to kill by denying them HIV, STD, and Hepatitis testing - not to mention how many of these diseases would be spread without access to free or inexpensive condoms?
Yeah, close the clinic. I bet the thought of letting those sinners die slowly of cancer and infection gives you a self-righteous THRILL!

Posted by: Laura at August 29, 2007 3:50 PM


Abortion can contribute to breast cancer. As far as other screenings for STD's, see a doctor. 3%? I don't buy that.

Posted by: Heather at August 29, 2007 3:55 PM


How many more babies will die from abortion?

Posted by: Heather at August 29, 2007 3:56 PM


Off topic question:

Thinking down the road on Christian morality class and our final paper. Would like to talk about a facet (narrowed down topic) of abortion. But I'm thinking this far ahead because we write it in sections throughout the semester and I want to order some books now while I can.

Anyone have experience in one particular area that would be easy to write 10 pages about?
Are there any abortion scenarios depicted in classical literature that you have read?

Posted by: prettyinpink at August 29, 2007 4:02 PM


Planned Parenthood, with 164 affiliates operating 915 clinics, is the largest abortion provider in the United States. Although not all clinics perform abortions, all refer and counsel for them.

Planned Parenthood performed 134,277 abortions in 1993. In contrast, a mere 9,943 women recieved prenatal care and Planned Parenthood's 1994 Service Report does not even mention adoption.


Posted by: Heather at August 29, 2007 4:04 PM



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Planned Parenthood: More Abortions, Fewer Clinics
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(CNSNews.com) - The Planned Parenthood Federation of America, the nation's most frequent provider of abortions, is performing more of the procedures than ever -- albeit in fewer clinics -- and relying increasingly on the revenue generated from abortions, according to its Fiscal Year 2004 annual report.

With other services becoming marginalized in Planned Parenthood's overall business, the organization relied on abortion for 34 percent of its clinic income from July 1, 2003, to June 30, 2004, up from 32 percent in Fiscal Year 2002 and FY 2003.

After a spike in private contributions two years ago, Planned Parenthood saw those donations drop 17 percent last year, but U.S. taxpayer assistance in the form of government grants reached record levels.

Numerous calls to Planned Parenthood offices in both New York City and Washington, D.C., seeking comment for this article, were not returned, but a survey of newspaper stories regarding the closing of 11 of the organization's clinics during Fiscal Year 2004 revealed a common cause.

Posted by: Heather at August 29, 2007 4:09 PM


BTW, years ago I did go to PP for a pap test and breast exam. I also had some bloodwork done. IT WASN'T FREE! I had to pay cash!!

Posted by: Heather at August 29, 2007 4:22 PM


Amen

Posted by: Marybeth T. Hagan at August 29, 2007 4:24 PM


Jill - my daughter, Therese, and I left Elmhurst with plenty of time to get to the council meeting (we are cheesed that girls from York H.S. might go to Aurora's mill as there are so many amenities; they may even be serving popcorn in the recovery rooms for the guests during the horror show right?), but because of three traffic jams we encountered, we didn't arrive until 6:45. By that time, a sizeable line had formed outside and we could see there would be a hefty wait as it wasn't moving at all. (No one was leaving which is good!) Anyway, Therese had signed up to talk which would have helped the age curve :) (she is 16), but she will be in attendance at the youth rally on Saturday. Hope you don't mind that we put your video on our site. (Credits are in place.) Awesome, awesome job!!!

Posted by: Jeanette at August 29, 2007 4:52 PM


Sharon Osbourne, Wife of rock singer Ozzie

Jennifer O'Neill, Actress and Model and National Spokeswoman for the Campaign

Dr. Alveda King, Civil Rights Activist and National Spokeswoman for the Campaign

Georgette Forney, Campaign Co-Founder [RealAudio]

Jonathan Flora, award-winning producer

"I Killed a part of myself..." Actress Bette Davis speaking about her abortion in Vanity Fair, March 2006

After abortion my marriage was never the same. Something was gone. It broke my heart. -- Judie Garland

The abortion itself was painful, and there was nothing to ease the pain. The procedure is demeaning; the poor woman lies flat on her back, legs up in those hateful stirrups with an impersonal tool ready to enter her body and remove something very personal. After it was over, I went in and sat in a chair and sobbed -- partly from physical pain, partly because I felt totally devastated. Since then, Ive wondered how well a man could endure such an experience. -- Gennifer Flowers (had an abortion with Bill Clinton)

I sat in the womens clinic waiting room, wondering what was going on just three rooms away as doctors (were) tearing out the brains of our child with a pair of forceps. -- Marilyn Manson

See more testimonies at the Priests for Life website

Posted by: Heather at August 29, 2007 4:54 PM


bortion can contribute to breast cancer. As far as other screenings for STD's, see a doctor. 3%? I don't buy that.

Posted by: Heather at August 29, 2007 3:55 PM

According to the American Cancer Society, you are wrong.

From the Beacon:

'Staff will offer comprehensive women's health services, including gynecological services, birth control counseling and prescriptions, testing and treatment for sexually transmitted infections, pelvic exams and Pap smears, cervical cancer testing, educational sessions for parents, community organizations and teens -- and abortion services, which already have the clinic embroiled in controversy.

Educational sessions for parents, youth and community groups will be offered on topics such as how to talk to children about sex, sex education, saying "no" to sex, dating violence, and emotional issues involved in dating and sex.'

Still have a problem with 3%?

As for your flippant remark that women can just see a Dr, well way to say that you feel that poor women deserve to die from from disease and gyn problems. Nice.

Posted by: Sally at August 29, 2007 5:47 PM


BTW, years ago I did go to PP for a pap test and breast exam. I also had some bloodwork done. IT WASN'T FREE! I had to pay cash!!

Posted by: Heather at August 29, 2007 4:22 PM

Did you pay the same amount that a private Dr and screening labs would have charged you?

Posted by: Anonymous at August 29, 2007 5:54 PM


You bet! I was stunned @ the grand total.

Posted by: Heather at August 29, 2007 5:55 PM


Sally, I didn't say that it was okay for poor women to die. You can go to the Free Clinic.

Posted by: Heather at August 29, 2007 5:57 PM


How many MORE abortions are you going to generate by denying women access to birth control?
How many women are you going to kill by denying them pap smears and breast exams?
How many women are you willing to kill by denying them HIV, STD, and Hepatitis testing - not to mention how many of these diseases would be spread without access to free or inexpensive condoms?/i>

Ah Laura, Laura, Laura, I was waiting for your alarmist reply. Your argument presents the False Delimma fallacy

Women all of a sudden won't stop being able to receive these services, even low-income women. In addition to a number of private ob/gyn practices which take Medicaid and offer various means of assistance of their own, a number of communities also have public family planning (which do not provide abortions) and health clinics operated through local hospitals. Yes, I do believe women should be able to receive low-cost primary care, gynelogical, and prenatal services. Why not support clinics which provide these necessary services, but which do not loudly politically lobby nor provides abortion services.

Yeah, close the clinic. I bet the thought of letting those sinners die slowly of cancer and infection gives you a self-righteous THRILL!

Tsk, tsk, tsk, bitter, are we? Don't forget we're human beings too, with similar lives, jobs, and interests, eventhough we may hae differing political views. Don't be so niave and quick to put misleading/false words in our mouths and paint us as monsters.

Posted by: Rachael at August 29, 2007 5:58 PM


Educational sessions for parents, youth and community groups will be offered on topics such as how to talk to children about sex, sex education, saying "no" to sex, dating violence, and emotional issues involved in dating and sex.'

Do you mean information like This, this, and this from their Teen Wire website?

Posted by: Rachael at August 29, 2007 6:08 PM


Sally, I didn't say that it was okay for poor women to die. You can go to the Free Clinic.

Posted by: Heather at August 29, 2007 5:57 PM

What free clinic? Where would that be? In your imagination?

Posted by: Sally at August 29, 2007 6:46 PM


Ah, WE HAVE THEM IN MY STATE!

Posted by: Heather at August 29, 2007 6:47 PM


Sally, "Paris Hilton is jealous of me." LOL! In your imagination!

Posted by: Heather at August 29, 2007 6:51 PM


Sally,
As I pointed out, a number of communities also have public family planning (which do not provide abortions) and health clinics operated through local hospitals. One such example are the clinics operated by Cardinal Health Systems in East Central Indiana

Open Door/BMH Health Center
905 S Walnut Street
Muncie, Indiana 47302
765-286-7000

Open Door Prenatal/Right Start Clinic
3715 S. Madison Street
Muncie, Indiana 47302
765-286-7000

Open Door Family Planning Clinic
424 W. Jackson St.
Muncie, IN 47305
765-281-4263

Open Door Family Planning Clinic
215 W. 19th St.
Anderson, IN 46016
765-641-1185

Or how about the larger, Clarion Health system serving Indianapolis and surrounding counties:
Volunteers in Medicine (VIM) provides services to several community clinics in the greater Indianapolis area which specialize in serving the indigent population (click on the above link for a listing)

These are just a few examples of those low-cost clinics which can be found in communities across the nation.

Posted by: Rachael at August 29, 2007 7:01 PM


Sally, you might get some respect if you gave some. Why must you always come on swinging? I get tired of your snide remarks.

Posted by: Heather at August 29, 2007 7:02 PM


Jill and Mods, many of my posts with links I think are going automatically into a spam folder or overlooked, for they aren't being approved even after a week!

Posted by: Rachael at August 29, 2007 7:04 PM


Rachael, I think a lot of us were having trouble. Mine was posting slow.

Posted by: Heather at August 29, 2007 7:10 PM


Educational sessions for parents, youth and community groups will be offered on topics such as how to talk to children about sex, sex education, saying "no" to sex, dating violence, and emotional issues involved in dating and sex.'

Do you mean information like This, this, and this from their Teen Wire website?
Posted by: Rachael at August 29, 2007 6:08 PM

Posted by: mk at August 29, 2007 7:33 PM


Sally,
As I pointed out, a number of communities also have public family planning (which do not provide abortions) and health clinics operated through local hospitals. One such example are the clinics operated by Cardinal Health Systems in East Central Indiana

Open Door/BMH Health Center
905 S Walnut Street
Muncie, Indiana 47302
765-286-7000

Open Door Prenatal/Right Start Clinic
3715 S. Madison Street
Muncie, Indiana 47302
765-286-7000

Open Door Family Planning Clinic
424 W. Jackson St.
Muncie, IN 47305
765-281-4263

Open Door Family Planning Clinic
215 W. 19th St.
Anderson, IN 46016
765-641-1185

Or how about the larger, Clarion Health system serving Indianapolis and surrounding counties:
Volunteers in Medicine (VIM) provides services to several community clinics in the greater Indianapolis area which specialize in serving the indigent population (click on the above link for a listing)

These are just a few examples of those low-cost clinics which can be found in communities across the nation.
Posted by: Rachael at August 29, 2007 7:01 PM

Posted by: mk at August 29, 2007 7:33 PM


There ya go!

Posted by: Heather at August 29, 2007 7:36 PM


Rachel,

I'm so sorry. I can fix 'em and repost 'em, but I don't know why it's happening. Always let us know if it happens. It's just a matter of me telling the computer that it's okay to publish them...

I've reposted them here to make sure people see them!

Posted by: mk at August 29, 2007 7:37 PM


Rachel,
You're links didn't show up...if anyone wants to see them you'll have to scroll up to where they were originally posted.

Posted by: mk at August 29, 2007 7:38 PM


May this clinic stay closed or just perform real women's care, not killing of babies.

I think its absolutely ridiculous that someone would consider denying a women abortion the same as denying them a pap smear or treatment for cancer. Pregnancy isn't a disease, it the creation of a human being. Sadly, too many people have yet to understand that and label it with scientific terms that they absolutely know nothing about. They never look at is what's there, and just like they generalize pro-lifers they are generalizing everything that can be done on a woman as woman's care, even though it can be detrimental to their health.

Refer to the Woman's Right to Know handbook, where PP agreed to disribute medical accurate data that concludes a 3rd trimester abortion is more dangerous than actual child birth. Just type in search and Woman's Right to Know handbook - Minnesota Dept of Public Health and you will receive what millions of women in Illinois are being denied when they go to an abortion clinic.


JILL PRO-LIFERS OF ILLINOIS NEED TO PUSH FOR A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO KNOW. IT HAS PROVEN TO REDUCE ABORTIONS, WOMEN AT LEAST WOULD BE REQ'D TO READ WHAT IS SUCKED OUT WHEN AN ABORTION IS PERFORMED. I CAUSED MYSELF TO MISCARRY WHEN I WAS 16 YEARS OLD, AND DIDN'T FEEL THE PAIN UNTIL I HAD MY 2ND BABY. THESE WOMEN MAY THINK THAT ITS ALL GOOD, UNTIL THEY DO HAVE CHILDREN (IF THEY CAN MY SISTER WAS AN UNFORTUNATE SCARRED VICTIM OF RU-486)AND START TO REALIZE THAT EACH BABY IS DIFFERENT EVEN IN THE WOMB.

Posted by: Jennifer at August 29, 2007 8:03 PM


Sally, "Paris Hilton is jealous of me." LOL! In your imagination!

Posted by: Heather at August 29, 2007 6:51 PM

You are a jealous and insecure sillyhead now aren't you? I'm quite attractive and the one and only time that I came in contact with Paris she gave me the distinct impression that she would have liked to join the party I was a part of. I felt bad for her. Not enough to join my daughter's wedding celebration.

Posted by: Sally at August 29, 2007 8:04 PM


Ah, WE HAVE THEM IN MY STATE!

Posted by: Heather at August 29, 2007 6:47 PM

Groovy for you and you conscience. You don't have to do anything but sit back and pontificate.

Posted by: Sally at August 29, 2007 8:08 PM


If there isn't baby killin going on, Sally isn't happy. She's one cold individual.

Posted by: jasper at August 29, 2007 8:10 PM


Sally,
As I pointed out, a number of communities also have public family planning (which do not provide abortions) and health clinics operated through local hospitals. One such example are the clinics operated by Cardinal Health Systems in East Central Indiana

Open Door/BMH Health Center
905 S Walnut Street
Muncie, Indiana 47302
765-286-7000

Open Door Prenatal/Right Start Clinic
3715 S. Madison Street
Muncie, Indiana 47302
765-286-7000

Open Door Family Planning Clinic
424 W. Jackson St.
Muncie, IN 47305
765-281-4263

Open Door Family Planning Clinic
215 W. 19th St.
Anderson, IN 46016
765-641-1185

Or how about the larger, Clarion Health system serving Indianapolis and surrounding counties:
Volunteers in Medicine (VIM) provides services to several community clinics in the greater Indianapolis area which specialize in serving the indigent population (click on the above link for a listing)

These are just a few examples of those low-cost clinics which can be found in communities across the nation.

Backed off the free assertion now have you? I don't live in Indiana. I wouldn't want to.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 29, 2007 8:27 PM


If there isn't baby killin going on, Sally isn't happy. She's one cold individual.

Posted by: jasper at August 29, 2007 8:10 PM

You are Johnny one note. Dumber than a box of rocks. Nothing to say beyond abusive shit. Yes, your type frosts me up.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 29, 2007 8:35 PM


Sally, you might get some respect if you gave some. Why must you always come on swinging? I get tired of your snide remarks.

Posted by: Heather at August 29, 2007 7:02 PM

I find it fascinating that children call their elders disrespectful for not bowing down to a brat head's re-invention of religion and childish concept of life. I come up swinging because I have been put in the position of needing to do so. Why do you feel that you want to put me in that position?

Posted by: Anonymous at August 29, 2007 8:54 PM


Sally,

would you ever consider being an abortionist?

Posted by: jasper at August 29, 2007 8:58 PM


Let's see if she has the courage to answer (yes or no)

Posted by: jasper at August 29, 2007 9:00 PM


"childish concept of life"

yes, I do have a childish concept of life, what little child would think abortion is OK.

Posted by: jasper at August 29, 2007 9:08 PM


Sally,

would you ever consider being an abortionist?

Posted by: jasper at August 29, 2007 8:58 PM

Yes of course. I would have liked to have been drawn to the medical field that might have saved my gr grandma's life and my mother's suffering over giving birth to dead 'babies'. Much more, I would have liked to have saved them death and emotional trauma by providing such services.
What would be your agenda be if you could attain a medical liscense of any kind?

Posted by: Anonymous at August 29, 2007 9:17 PM


Backed off the free assertion now have you? I don't live in Indiana. I wouldn't want to.

Actually, if you'd gone beyond snide comments and visited the links, you'd see that these clinics serve the poor and homeless and offer services for free and based on a sliding fee scale (funded by public taxes) similar to PP's. I'd gladly financially support the efforts of these clinics (if I weren't poor myself) or volunteer my time.


Posted by: Rachael at August 29, 2007 9:27 PM


Thank you for re-posting my posts, MK, and fortuantly the posts in their entirity (including links did appear above) :-)

Posted by: Rachael at August 29, 2007 9:30 PM


Sally,
You're the one calling us childish names, talking condescendingly, and acting full of herself and yet claiming to be the mature one. Just a word of advice, age doesn't always reflect maturity, as in your case. Now can we get back to an adult conversation?

Posted by: Rachael at August 29, 2007 9:33 PM


I come up swinging because I have been put in the position of needing to do so. Why do you feel that you want to put me in that position?

I don't see anyone here physically threatening you, nor resorting to your childish name calling. Tell me, are you threatened by others *gasp* holding world views different than your own? And no one is responsible for your words actions, but you. After all, isn't that what the pro-choicers are always crying for, "personally responsibility" that is except for when it comes to themselves.

Sorry, mods, I know I shouldn't feed the troll, but it's so fun!

Posted by: Rachael at August 29, 2007 9:38 PM


Jasper: "Sally,would you ever consider being an abortionist?"

Sally: "Yes of course."

Thank you for your honesty Sally.

Posted by: jasper at August 29, 2007 9:52 PM


Sally,
You're the one calling us childish names, talking condescendingly, and acting full of herself and yet claiming to be the mature one. Just a word of advice, age doesn't always reflect maturity, as in your case. Now can we get back to an adult conversation?

Posted by: Rachael at August 29, 2007 9:33 PM

Sorry little Rachael I have not called anyone a 'name'. Intereresting that you would resort to such an inference. So desperatly immmature of you.
If you want adult disscusion prove you are an adult capable of such.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 29, 2007 10:34 PM


I want to tell you what an awesome job you did. My mother and I stayed until the last person spoke. I am sure there are many more that could not attend. My little girl once told me at another abortion mill that we were praying at, "Mommy, I wish there were enough people to go around the building and pray the Rosary, then it will fall down." I only wish that could happen at PP and you can bet your a** that I want to be there!

Posted by: ST at August 29, 2007 10:41 PM


Sally,

Since you agreed that you would in fact consider being an abortionist, would you have done this abortion:

http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/aborted01-22.jpg

Posted by: jasper at August 29, 2007 10:42 PM


Jasper: "Sally,would you ever consider being an abortionist?"

Sally: "Yes of course."

Thank you for your honesty Sally.

Posted by: jasper at August 29, 2007 9:52 PM

Nice chop job dishonest freak,

Posted by: Anonymous at August 29, 2007 10:50 PM


Per Sally:

"Sorry little Rachael I have not called anyone a 'name'."
____________________

Sorry Sally you've been busted. Pull the car over.

Per Sally:
"You are a jealous and insecure sillyhead now aren't you?"

"You are Johnny one note. Dumber than a box of rocks."

Posted by: Sandy at August 29, 2007 11:03 PM


Sorry little Rachael I have not called anyone a 'name'. Intereresting that you would resort to such an inference. So desperatly immmature of you. If you want adult disscusion prove you are an adult capable of such.

It is you, Sally, who has displayed immaturity in this and other threads and is hiding behind anonimity to make your posts. Your actions speak louder than your words (see post 3 posts down by Anonymous at August 29, 2007 10:50 PM)

Posted by: Rachael at August 29, 2007 11:06 PM


Thank you, Sandy!

Posted by: Rachael at August 29, 2007 11:07 PM


bortion can contribute to breast cancer. As far as other screenings for STD's, see a doctor. 3%? I don't buy that.

Posted by: Heather at August 29, 2007 3:55 PM

According to the American Cancer Society, you are wrong.

From the Beacon:

'Staff will offer comprehensive women's health services, including gynecological services, birth control counseling and prescriptions, testing and treatment for sexually transmitted infections, pelvic exams and Pap smears, cervical cancer testing, educational sessions for parents, community organizations and teens -- and abortion services, which already have the clinic embroiled in controversy.

Educational sessions for parents, youth and community groups will be offered on topics such as how to talk to children about sex, sex education, saying "no" to sex, dating violence, and emotional issues involved in dating and sex.'

Still have a problem with 3%?

Yes, I do...and here's why...

Here is the website for the 2005-2006 report http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/Annual_report.pdf

The total number of services provided was 10,112,642
However the total number of clients served was 3,051,144
That is a discrepancy of 7,061,498 This means on average one client averaged more than 3 services.


Since it is not very likely, although it does happen, that a person would have 2 abortions in a year, we will assume that the abortion clients did not duplicate any numbers for the abortion. This means that 8.6% of services are for abortion. (take the number of abortions and divide by clients served to get percentage)

Now - since all abortions have to have a pregnancy test done, there is a duplicate. AND most abortion clients go on some sort of contraception after the abortion so that is another duplicate. So, take the number of abortions and multiply by three and then you get that they actually do 7.8% of services are abortion. (The number multiplied by three is then divided by the total services)

But wait...there's more!

So based on generalization the percentages of abortions is around 8% and not 3%. However, that number is probably a lot higher because the abortion clients probably had more services than just this. Can we say STD testing? Also, how do they compile there contraception numbers? Is it counted as 1 for every patient on the pill for a year, or is it counted as 12 for the number of contraception prescriptions wrote for one patient? The higher the number of services, the lower the percentage on the procedures. This would make the abortion percentage significantly higher. Just look at all the services and see how many of them may not be duplicated. Some of the Pap's may have been a one time, one service visit. This means that one of the other clients would have had 5 services to make up for the lost 2 services for the one time only client.. Make sense? How many abortion clients have 5 services and not 3? etc.....

Statistics are so easily manipulated it is scary. Unless all the data received is based on absolute facts, any number can be "proven" as a statistic.

Someone needs to look at the Freedom of Information Act and find out if we are able to get the complete itemized report. This will let us know the true number.


Posted by: mk at August 30, 2007 6:20 AM


Morning MK,
Great info. They keep trying to use the 3% figure like it's nothing, but the Aurora clinic stated (I believe) that they will plan on doing 9000 abortions in that clinic alone per year. Those are no small numbers. They will have abortion seeking women running through that mill like a candy factory.

Not to mention, how many women who are raped get abortions? Something like .000001%, yet they keep harping on that statistic like it's HUGE.

The income brought in by abortion makes up over 30% of their total revenue, which has been brought up many times over but that figure doesn't seem to be taken seriously by the PCers

Posted by: Sandy at August 30, 2007 8:42 AM


Sally, please get over yourself.

Posted by: Heather at August 30, 2007 10:18 AM


thanks Sandy,

But the credit goes to Val...I'm just the messenger!

Posted by: mk at August 30, 2007 2:37 PM


Sally,

Since you agreed that you would in fact consider being an abortionist, would you have done this abortion:

http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/aborted01-22.jpg

Posted by: jasper at August 29, 2007 10:42 PM

Well yes child. Never mind that it would be illegal wih HIPPA laws to to google this idiocy, you run with it. Run child. Run.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2007 8:25 PM


Sally, please get over yourself.

Posted by: Heather at August 30, 2007 10:18 AM

As soon as you get over me child.

Posted by: Sally at August 30, 2007 9:03 PM


"Sally, please get over yourself."

She can't Heather, she's narcissistic and a Nazi to boot. .....brrrr, theres that cold wind blowing again...

Posted by: jasper at August 30, 2007 9:16 PM


Sally,
You're the one calling us childish names, talking condescendingly, and acting full of herself and yet claiming to be the mature one. Just a word of advice, age doesn't always reflect maturity, as in your case. Now can we get back to an adult conversation?

Posted by: Rachael at August 29, 2007 9:33 PM

What name have I called you Rachael? Are you always so abusive to your elders? What does your church tell you about that?
If you are capable of an adult conversation these little tirades don't make an example for such. Sounds like you are stomping your heels and having some kind of childish hissy to me. You certainly don't have anything of any importance to say. Grow up little missy.

Posted by: Sally at August 30, 2007 9:19 PM


Ah, WE HAVE THEM IN MY STATE!

Posted by: Heather at August 29, 2007 6:47 PM

You have free clinics in your state? Who provides the funding? I'm sure that you will look into it and get back to me. @@

Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2007 9:24 PM


ally,
As I pointed out, a number of communities also have public family planning (which do not provide abortions) and health clinics operated through local hospitals. One such example are the clinics operated by Cardinal Health Systems in East Central Indiana

Open Door/BMH Health Center
905 S Walnut Street
Muncie, Indiana 47302
765-286-7000

Open Door Prenatal/Right Start Clinic
3715 S. Madison Street
Muncie, Indiana 47302
765-286-7000

Open Door Family Planning Clinic
424 W. Jackson St.
Muncie, IN 47305
765-281-4263

Open Door Family Planning Clinic
215 W. 19th St.
Anderson, IN 46016
765-641-1185

Or how about the larger, Clarion Health system serving Indianapolis and surrounding counties:
Volunteers in Medicine (VIM) provides services to several community clinics in the greater Indianapolis area which specialize in serving the indigent population (click on the above link for a listing)

These are just a few examples of those low-cost clinics which can be found in communities across the nation.
Posted by: Rachael at August 29, 2007 7:01 PM

Posted by: mk at August 29, 2007 7:33 PM

Once more. Indiana is not the nation. If you could get Jill to talk honestly, she will tell you that Indiana doesn't exist. Peorians invented foil hats and conspiracy theories.

Posted by: Sally at August 30, 2007 9:35 PM


Sorry little Rachael I have not called anyone a 'name'. Intereresting that you would resort to such an inference. So desperatly immmature of you. If you want adult disscusion prove you are an adult capable of such.

It is you, Sally, who has displayed immaturity in this and other threads and is hiding behind anonimity to make your posts. Your actions speak louder than your words (see post 3 posts down by Anonymous at August 29, 2007 10:50 PM)

Posted by: Rachael at August 29, 2007 11:06 PM

Really chid. Point out my immaturity. Show me how you are older and more mature. Put the Kool Aid down, Pull up you Pull Ups and tell me all about what a big ole' grown up you are.

Posted by: Sally at August 30, 2007 9:46 PM


Sally,

May I ask you what your religon is? Just to get a little perspective. Why are you so angry?

Posted by: jasper at August 30, 2007 9:55 PM


"Sally, please get over yourself."

She can't Heather, she's narcissistic and a Nazi to boot. .....brrrr, theres that cold wind blowing again...

Posted by: jasper at August 30, 2007 9:16 PM

I'm a Nazi little boy? My daddy earened 4 bronze stars during and after the Battle of the Bulge. Try to figure out how to pull up your socks simple minded fool.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2007 9:55 PM


"Try to figure out how to pull up your socks simple minded fool."

I put one sock on at a time, I put my toes in first, then I pull the sock around the heel and up.....How'd I do?

Now leave your Daddy out of this, you're a grown women Sally.

Posted by: jasper at August 30, 2007 10:02 PM


Jasper -LOL! Sally wrote "I am quite attractive you sillyhead.".... Gee I haven't heard "sillyhead" since the 3rd grade or so. You may be attractive, but you're also very self absorbed and selfish. Beauty fades, and then what have you got?

Posted by: Heather at August 31, 2007 9:16 AM


Really, Sally, would you be this verbally abusive and condescending to someone in person? I say not (because chances are you'd get punched for saying thatt someone's face), but rather you hide behind the anonimity of the internet to make snide comments and insults.
Rachael

Posted by: Anonymous at August 31, 2007 12:04 PM


Sally, at 50 years old, you sure have a lot of growing up to do.

Posted by: Heather at August 31, 2007 1:09 PM