Excellent video Jill! That really ROCKS! I also like the background music by "Queen".

I noticed event after event there are hundreds and sometimes over 1,000 Pro-Lifers who show up to protest Aurora Planned Parenthood. Yet when I watch the news coverage in the mainstream media (CBS, NBC, ABC and the rest) and there camera coverage only shows around 4-10 protestors.

Are the mainstream media cameramen or camerawomen biased against Pro-Lifers OR should they be replaced by those putting together these You Tube Video's of the fight against Planned Parenthood?

Being a protester there many times I know there are hundreds and sometimes over 1,000 at each event in the fight against Aurora PP. All are Pro-Lifers.

It's been long obvious to me there has been a bias for 34 years against those who fight for the right to life!

Mike

Jill, Nice video! I liked the sign about: DOES YOUR FRIEND CONGRATULATE YOU ON THE FETAL TISSUE OR THE BABY? Before coming to this blog, I'd never met ANYONE who didn't call a pregnancy a baby. Even if it was an unwanted one. My post abortive friends even admit it, they just don't seem to see that it was wrong.

Are the mainstream media cameramen and camerawomen biased against Pro-Lifers OR should they be replaced by those putting together these You Tube Video's of the fight against Planned Parenthood?

I meant to use "AND" not "OR when connecting the two questions.

Mike

Showers of Generosity

Wow! Where do I even begin? The Community Baby Shower was a great success! As most of you know, things move pretty quickly when it comes to the Families Against Planned Parenthood campaign so, when a friend of mine from church suggested this idea to me, I quickly passed it on.

By the time we got the final “thumbs up” we had only 4 days to make this idea a reality. Yes, you read right, 4 days!

So, this morning as we set up empty playpens adorned with pink and blue balloons, we had no idea what kind of response we would receive. Would anyone respond to our call to help women and families in need? How many playpens would we fill? We quickly found out that the answers were YES and MANY! Here’s what the generous and caring people of our community donated with only a few days notice – 120 packs of diapers, 56 boxes of wipes, 30 baby blankets, 70 baby toiletry items, 70 outfits and onesies, 48 items of baby food and formula, 62 baby care items including bottles, pacifiers, feeding supplies, etc., as well as a crib mattress and bedding set, baby monitor, floor gym, and a $50 gift card for a local maternity clothing store! I can not tell you the gratitude of the women who were there working on behalf of the 3 organizations who will benefit from these donations. Which, by the way, are Project Gabriel, the Pregnancy Information Center , and Catholic Charities. What a blessing these items will be to so many mothers and babies!

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Here’s what the generous and caring people of our community donated with only a few days notice – 120 packs of diapers, 56 boxes of wipes, 30 baby blankets, 70 baby toiletry items, 70 outfits and onesies, 48 items of baby food and formula, 62 baby care items including bottles, pacifiers, feeding supplies, etc., as well as a crib mattress and bedding set, baby monitor, floor gym, and a $50 gift card for a local maternity clothing store!
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Your community couldn't even come up with enough stuff to care for 2 infants for a year, and you want to close Planned Parenthood?

Laura,

What did you donate?

Mike, that is awesome for such short notice, if I had known about it I would have brought a whole bunch of stuff that I have.

Awww... lokk at that cute baby in yellow! I've never seen a cuter baby, well, yeah cuz she's mine, hehe!

I was just thinking the same thing Rosie...cutest little baby I ever saw!

Is it funny that I find it ironic that Jill set this video to Queen?

Other tha that, it was good. Hope y'all had fun. One day I shall show up to protest your protest though. Just look for the southern girl with the funny accent who is really really cold in IL.

Here's another VIDEO of the Jerico March. This was done by fightingirishthomas.net

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_aV_4J7njZY

Mike

This is so cool! I so wanted to be there, but we were washing cars to donate the money to Local Crisis' Pregnacy Centers. We made over $500 and got a ton of "honks" from our "honk if you're pro-life sign". We united with you in spirit! We must keep praying...

I was the person who made the poster asking...
When you have a friend who's pregnant, do you ask her, "How's your fetal tissue?" or "How's your baby?" This came about because at the first Pro-Life rally on August 25 I was standing at the corner of New York and Eola Road. Included in our group was a very sweet elderly women in her 70s. A woman in a car was clearly upset with our presence and SCREAMED vulgar words and gesters at us and yelled "It's just tissue!" Her anger was scary and yet I felt sorry for her. We were a threat to her. All Pro-Life people know these are children who are being killed and cannot turn our backs and pretend we don't know the truth. Many of the supporters of abortion cannot see past their anger that women are carrying another human being inside them. I tried to think of words that even one person would read and say....gosh....I do call it a baby when I talk to my pregnant friend. Because these aborted children cannot speak for themselves....we cannot turn a blind eye. We are all our brother and sisters keepers....especially the most vulnerable. Most of the people I have met at the Planned Parenthood site have never been involved in a protest before but felt they must get involved......this abortion clinic is our backyard and Planned Parenthood has been arrogant, deceitful, and IS NOT WELCOME!

Laura...who made a comment about how much "stuff" it takes to support a child. Why, when someone does something good do you find negative? Almost all of the Pro-Life people I know also are involved in helping women who need assistance after choosing not to have an abortion. They are also involved in feeding and sheltering the homeless. They use their vacation time to build houses in Mississippi and New Orleans. Respecting life is also aiding those alive. Please take a moment to reflect on how you have helped others.

When are you all ever going to learn? We're not pro choice because we hate or resent pregnant women.

My usual response when someone tells me they're pregnant- congratulations!

.....that's a response just dripping with hate.....

Does anyone see an unusual shadow on fightingirishthomas video around 2:33 to 2:40 into the video?

What do you see?

http://familiesagainstplannedparenthood.org/blog/2007/0916/jericho-march/#comment-200

Mike

JKeller. I think you misunderstood. No one thinks pro-choice people hate or resent pregnant women. What we differ on is that the human being in the pregnant woman deserves the right to life and not be surgically or chemically killed.

Jeanne,

These are your own words:

"Many of the supporters of abortion cannot see past their anger that women are carrying another human being inside them."

Why should I be angry that a woman who wants a child is pregnant and planning on giving birth? Good for her, I say let her do what she wants.

JKeller-- The fact that you have to keep clarifying your words that you post makes me believe you have doubts about your stand/ beliefs on this issue. I do hope you do congratulate the woman who is going forward with her pregnancy. Something also tells me you had the chance to do so and perhaps got scared, confused or both---believe me we are human--it happens to all of us--but the doubt does pass and I thank my Creator because I know I could not live with the fact that I made the decision for another living, breathing human being--to snuff out his/her life so that I can have temporary comfort?
Please take care--

Laurie Meisch-Paulson

@Jill,

... love your visual montage .... though I do have all kinds of problems with Queen's 'We Are the Champions'. When I first heard this tune (and ever since), I have wondered if this tune is about victory or about taunting-the-loser. Achieving 'bragging rights' seems appropriate here.

I was wondering if this dichotomy was just an old man's thoughts, so I purposely asked a friend about this song. And she saw no difference at all and even wondered why I saw this split.

Turns out the singer of this song has since died. He was from Cornwall, England as was she.

Really hate making this sort of stance, but this really incensed me (even more than the crassness of some of the posts). I will refrain from posting again because I cannot be part of such blatant pride. .... faith-based, am so "anti" pride it hurts !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Laurie,

Thank you for your kind words, but the reason that I have to keep clarifying my words is because every time someone new posts here their posts are filled with stereotypical pre-conceived notions about people who call themselves pro-choice. Words like heartless and bloodthirsty get thrown around. We are accused of being lapdogs of the "liberal" MSM, proponents of racism, genocide and the extermination of the human species. Our parents are accused of being horrible ones just because they "allowed" us to grow up to think for ourselves. People think we want to grab every happily pregnant woman and tie her down on an abortion table.

You can see maybe why I don't want my name slandered like this, and why it would be cause for me to clarify my position over and over.

People think we want to grab every happily pregnant woman and tie her down on an abortion table.

I understand what you're saying, but that's really not what we think, JK. Just think of it this way. If you supported people being able to "choose" to abuse their children, you wouldn't be necessarily saying you wanted ALL children to be abused. Just that when it came to children being cared for, parents know best, no matter what, in your opinion. Therefore, in this situation, you could try to convince me that you were pro-choice, not pro-child abuse. But does it really matter if you support it in one case or in all cases?
Either way, children suffer and you're part of the problem, if you supported child abuse in even 1 situation.

You need not want ALL people to have abortions to be pro-abortion. You simply need to think it's okay for people to make a choice to kill an unborn baby. Even supporting 1 of those cases, makes you pro-abortion. It doesn't imply you want it in all cases, simply that you support abortion at all.
Does that help clear it up?

I know its not what you think Bethany, or many of the other regulars here. Its the pro-lifers that come here and drop their one-liners that I'm talking about.

Personally, I really think it is none of my business what people choose to do in their lives. That's why it would feel wrong to me to tell a woman that she shouldn't have an abortion just because I might think it's wrong if she thinks it is the right thing for her. Because at the end of the day I won't be the one raising her kid, she will. In the same way I would never tell a woman that she should have an abortion, because it is not my place to make decisions for her, or enforce things on her that I may think is in her best interests, but she may think otherwise.

I think in order to consider yourself pro abortion, you would have to be able to say, "yes, I think you should have an abortion, I think it is the right thing". I would never say that, thus I don't consider myself pro abortion.

I think in order to consider yourself pro abortion, you would have to be able to say, "yes, I think you should have an abortion, I think it is the right thing". I would never say that, thus I don't consider myself pro abortion.

But if you support a woman's decision to abort, that means that you are actually supporting the abortion itself, right?
This is what would make you pro-abortion. Just like, for instance, I am opposed to using cigarettes. But only for myself. I don't care if anyone else wants to use them. However, if we were on an anti-smoking board, I would expect them to call me "pro-smoking", and I would allow it with no argument, because I support a person's right to choose to smoke, and I would acknowledge that my support of a person's choice to use them made me pro-smoking.

Unless you feel that abortion is a negative thing, I do not see why it would be such an insult to be considered pro-abortion anyway? Before they started using the euphemism "choice", it was pro-abortion or anti-abortion.

Choice is just a nice sounding word to mask what we're really arguing about... I love freedom of "choice" when the choice isn't abortion. But never would support a person's right to choose to kill anyone.

JK,

You also have to realize that you are a rather moderate pro-choicer. There are a few here, I won't mention any names (SoMG, Doug, Laura) who are rabid pro-choicers, even to the point where I, who never use the term, would call them pro-aborts.

It's what I was saying about people that are pro-life all believe the same thing. Life is sacred from the womb to the tomb.

But the pro-choice side is all over the place. So I might one day refer to Doug as soulless or Laura and conscienceless or SoMG as diabolic...but I don't carry those thoughts over to you or midnite or Rae...but it would be awfully clumsy if everytime I said something like that I had to qualify it by eliminating you guys and clarifying my position about those guys and...well you know.

I KNOW you have a conscience. I KNOW you have a soul. I don't know that about SoMG and Laura and Doug...they really haven't shown a drop of compassion for anyone (other than horses) since they've been on here.

I apologize if I have EVER come across as judging you that way...

MK,

I thank you :-)

Bethany,

If you were a vegetarian and you supported your friend's choice to order a hamburger at lunch, would that make you pro-meat and thus considered not a vegetarian?

No one has to take such black and white stances about every issue, and I think that is where we differ. Not caring whether or not your friends smoke when you yourself don't have any desire to smoke, to me, is taking a neutral stance on the issue, not taking a pro-smoking stance. Pro smoking activists are people who actively protest things like city smoking bans and higher taxes on cigarettes. Anti-smoking activists are people who actively push for city smoking bans and put up posters of autopsied lungs and file lawsuits against cigarette companies.

As far as your example about parents who "choose" to beat their children. Child abuse is illegal, if someone were breaking the law not only would I tell them that they shouldn't, in this case I would probably turn them in. In the same way I would tell a drunk person that they shouldn't get behind the wheel of a car (as driving under the influence is a crime) or I would take their keys. If abortion were ever criminalized I would advise women not to break the law by having an abortion.

If you were a vegetarian and you supported your friend's choice to order a hamburger at lunch, would that make you pro-meat and thus considered not a vegetarian?

Of course! I would be pro-meat, but a vegetarian as well. (Unless I was so deeply opposed that I wanted others to recognize it, and was working to stop the animal killing by legal means...then I would be anti-meat.)

Just like I could be pro-smoking, but a non-smoker. Pro meaning "supportive of"

I also have to agree with MK that you are a much more moderate pro-choicer than many others here, by the way.

I agree with you 2 Bethany and MK.

MK to JK: You also have to realize that you are a rather moderate pro-choicer. There are a few here, I won't mention any names (SoMG, Doug, Laura) who are rabid pro-choicers, even to the point where I, who never use the term, would call them pro-aborts.

Baloney. Being for the legal choice of abortion is not the same as being "pro-abortion." If you find somebody that is actually "for abortion," as simple as that, then they are anti-choice, not pro-choice.

"Yes or no" is not the same as "yes." Amazing how something so simple can be so hard for some to understand.

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It's what I was saying about people that are pro-life all believe the same thing. Life is sacred from the womb to the tomb.

But the pro-choice side is all over the place. So I might one day refer to Doug as soulless or Laura and conscienceless or SoMG as diabolic...but I don't carry those thoughts over to you or midnite or Rae...but it would be awfully clumsy if everytime I said something like that I had to qualify it by eliminating you guys and clarifying my position about those guys and...well you know.

I KNOW you have a conscience. I KNOW you have a soul. I don't know that about SoMG and Laura and Doug...they really haven't shown a drop of compassion for anyone (other than horses) since they've been on here.

That's false, and you're really just giving up, there.

"An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to an irrelevant characteristic about the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim."

Doug