What I find amusing is the fact a couple of weeks ago on this very blog is was preached that women should keep their babies and not place them up for adoption. That mothers should try everything in their power to keep the child. Now you are promoting a movie where Juno places her child up for adoption. Now I haven't seen the movie, perhaps Juno decides to keep the child. I am not sure. I do plan to see the movie. It looks cute.

The movie is not anti-choice. The girl chooses to gestate. Big deal. But the movie is touted as being quite amusing.

I am still confused at why so many people on here liked the movie Knocked Up. I loved that movie but it was full of drugs and sex. And a lot of other things Christians usually disagree with. I thought it was hilarious!

Aaaaaaaaah...
Teenage motherhood:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3982864&page=1

Oh yes laura cause ALL teenage mothers prostitute themselves. Get a life.

Her parents did get off too easy. Probably scarred her for life.

Maybe the PTSD her parents inflicted upon her has lots to do with this.

Or maybe the cut-off relationship based on their racism did. They could have helped her out and supported her so maybe she wouldn't be prostituting. Not that I'm excusing the prositution at all.

What I find amusing is the fact a couple of weeks ago on this very blog is was preached that women should keep their babies and not place them up for adoption. That mothers should try everything in their power to keep the child.

No.... I think Jill's point was that we should not pressure women to give their babies up, just because it's one alternative to abortion. She was trying to make the point that there is another alternative which is the best alternative..and that is, keeping the child. Mothers and their own children are naturally meant to be together.

However, adoption is the next best thing, if the woman does not want to keep the child.

Jill certainly is not against adoption. If choosing between adoption or abortion, I'm pretty sure I know what her choice would be.

I am still confused at why so many people on here liked the movie Knocked Up. I loved that movie but it was full of drugs and sex. And a lot of other things Christians usually disagree with. I thought it was hilarious!

I only got a chance to see that a couple of weeks ago. I agree, it could have done without all the profanity and other stuff.

I don't think that the point of Jill's posts about the movies is that they are perfect, by any stretch of the imagination. It is that they are life affirming. And that is a very positive thing. :)

Its sad really because I'm sure things like this happen all the time.

My grandfather, who died way before I was born was racist. He's probably rolling over in his grave right because two of his grandchildren married african americans.

"Jill certainly is not against adoption. If choosing between adoption or abortion, I'm pretty sure I know what her choice would be."

Very true... although it makes me wonder. If abortion is ever completely illegal in the US if you and everyone who is anti-choice would start advocating against adoption and forcing mothers to keep their children.

Well, where is your outrage at the woman's parents, Laura?

JM said,
"My grandfather, who died way before I was born was racist. He's probably rolling over in his grave right because two of his grandchildren married african americans."

Yeah, what is with that? My grandfather, dead now, (soul probably NOT resting) was a HUGE racist, too! If there was a tv program on that had an African American in it...anywhere..he would swear then change the channel. He was such a jacka--! None of us liked him much!

AB Laura,

My grandfather wouldn't allow my mother to go to a concert where multiple bands were playing because one of the bands was an african american band.

Very true... although it makes me wonder. If abortion is ever completely illegal in the US if you and everyone who is anti-choice would start advocating against adoption and forcing mothers to keep their children.

JM, what would make you say that? We believe that all mothers should have the right to choose the life they want to live with their own families. Do you not realize how much pressure a mother can sometimes go through, when deciding to adopt her child out? If not, start working at a pregnancy center and start talking to some of the teens who come in.

Jill was not at all advocating forcing mothers to keep their children, if they want to place them for adoption, nor would she ever. Where do you get that from what she said?

What she was saying, was that if a mother wants to keep her child, even if it is a young mother, she should be given the opportunity to do that, without feeling pressured to adopt out.

How do you go from a motive of trying to prevent a mother from feeling pressured to do something she doesn't want to do, to a motive of trying to force a woman to do something she doesn't want to do?

Abortion is the same thing. We don't think that unborn children should be forced to die. We would rather see them ALIVE and in ANY home, than dead and unloved. Abortion does not involve only a mother. It involves a mother and a child...which is the whole reason we are involved.

Sad, but a woman I know just aborted about 3 months ago. She already has a son who is bi-racial. She is white and the father is black. She had become pregnant again from another black man. She chose to have an abortion. Her exact words were, "My parents will kill me if I have another mixed baby."....Prior to the abortion, her mom had a change of heart. I also pleaded with her to reconsider. She did it anyway. It made me sad.

Very sad indeed, Heather!

JM,
Wow! Was his name Donald by any chance? Sounds just like my jacka-- bioligical grandfather!

Bethany,

I said I was just wondering if that would be the next step for anti-choicers if abortion became completely illegal.

You say that "How do you go from a motive of trying to prevent a mother from feeling pressured to do something she doesn't want to do, to a motive of trying to force a woman to do something she doesn't want to do?"

By making abortion illegal you are FORCING many women to do something she doesn't want to do. Carry the child to term. Do some women feel pressured to abort, yes I'm sure there are. But there are also some that don't feel pressure as well.

I'm sure every person who decides to place their child up for adoption goes through a period where they just aren't sure, or they are scared. etc. So yes, lets help those women. But don't sit and try and talk them out of placing their child up for adoption.

AB Laura, she is so good with her son. I just don't understand. She called me as soon as she found out about her pregnancy. She was crying and hysterical. I tried to console her as she repeated "I can't do this." My response was "Of course you can." "You have done it before." We spoke several times before she had the procedure. Sometimes, all we can do is try.

Actually pro lifers believe in choices too. We aren't anti choice. Adoption is an option.

I find it strange that Heather knows about a dozen women who have had abortions. I don't know a single one.

Heather,
It seems like every other month you are telling us about a new friend who had an abortion.

JM, we have 1.3 million abortions a year. On my daughter's life, they are all true stories!

Heather,

Still anti-choice just like I'm labeled "pro-abort" even though i'd never have one myself and wish people wouldn't have them but believe in a women having the option if she wants it.

Heather...You tried as hard as you could. If anyone could have talked her out of it, I have no doubt that person would have been you. Sometimes, people just make up their minds, and there's nothing we can say or do. Hopefully, God will use this in her life as something positive. Who knows.

JM, you don't know anyone who has ever had an abortion? Come on.

Heather,
It seems like every other month you are telling us about a new friend who had an abortion.

Posted by: JM at December 13, 2007 8:20 PM
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Most of Heather's friends have 2-3 abortions a week. It turns out that if you hold your nose when you sneeze, you ovulate.
It's a little-known medical phenomenon...

Heather,

Honestly,
No. Perhaps some of the people I know have had them but never talk about it.

JM, A lot of the women I have told you about are not "friends." Some are. Some have been acquaintances, co-workers, neighbors, etc. I am actually an excellent listener, so perhaps that's why some women feel comfortable opening up to me. I honestly DO know a woman who is sterile after 7 abortions. I also know a woman who did have 9 of them. What's the big deal? It's just a choice. It was actually the stories from these post abortive women that helped me to become pro life.

Laura,
What I've stated before that you had no comment for, I'll state again:

Maybe it's just that Heather has a huge friend/acquaintance pool and you cannot understand that because maybe, just going out on a limb here, you don't?

True story...I was sitting at work one day. A lady sat down beside me. She exclaimed "I'm pregnant, and I'm gonna go get me an abortion." Then she let out this loud, drawn out yawn. I thought to myself *cartoon cloud over head* "What a pathetic slob."

AB Laura, thank you for your support. I do know a lot of people.

Heather,

Where do you work?

And I hope those people are HONORED to know you!
(cuz they should be...you're awesome!)

Here's a better question. With 1.3 million abortions a year, how could you NOT know them?

JM,
I'm pro-choice, but anti-abortion!

Well, I am an LPN, so my profession is predominately female. I am actually going back to school in January for my RN.

BTW JM, are you back in MN?

Well there you go. Now it makes sense to me that you come across many women who may have had an abortion.

I have spent most of my career in geriatrics and hospice. I have cared for a lot of people like Terri Schiavo.

Heather,

Yes, I have been back in MN for about a month now. A total of five teachers have left the school I worked at, myself included.

JM, I can't really explain it to you, but I have always just felt that abortion was wrong. Nobody ever had to tell me so. It was just a feeling. So, when I began to meet women who talked about their abortion[s] like a walk in the park, it began to bother me.

I'm sorry Heather for being all snippy. Its been a rough last couple of months.

JM, don't mention it. I have been the same way. I have a bad sinus infection. Z Pack is doing the trick though. I love that stuff! I've been cranky. I hope you like being home.

JM,

That's why we never introduced my dad's mom to my daughter and she is dead now..cause my daughter is half-black and my grandma is racist from what I understand. I have actually experienced more prejudice from black people because my daughter is half-black ironically. Oh well what are ya gonna do?

JM, Oh girl I had such a horrible migraine a few weeks ago. I also luurve my Imitrex!!

Elizabeth, I hear that often. It's a shame.

Heather,

I do enjoy being home. I start a new job at a bank on Monday.

HEATHER! I take Imitrex too! Although I haven't been able to afford it lately with the insurance I have. But with my new job I am hoping the insurance I have there will cover it.

Isn't it though? I mean we live in freaking 2007 for crying out loud. You think people would get over it by now.

JM, good for you. Are you back with the b/f?

Elizabeth,

So sad isn't it?

Isn't it though? I mean we live in freaking 2007 for crying out loud. You think people would get over it by now.
Posted by: Elizabeth at December 13, 2007 9:05 PM

I feel the same about homosexuality... but please lets not get into that discussion tonight.

JM, I remember that we talked about that!! I just call that stuff "The wonder drug." My headaches are like ice picks to the skull.

Heather,

I was with my boyfriend up until monday. I applied for jobs both by him and by my parents. I ended up getting a job by my parents. He's only 130 miles away now. Which is a lot better than 1800 miles. I'll see him on weekends and he might come to my house for christmas eve then go to his parents the next day

Heather, I thought we may have talked about that before. My usually start in my shoulders, move up my neck and into my head.

JM and Heather,

You should see some of the looks I get from people when they see me being white and then look at my daughter. It goes from puzzled to irritated..someone has even asked me if she was really my kid!

Elizabeth,

that's crazy

Heather: "Sad, but a woman I know just aborted about 3 months ago. She already has a son who is bi-racial. She is white and the father is black. She had become pregnant again from another black man. She chose to have an abortion. Her exact words were, "My parents will kill me if I have another mixed baby."....Prior to the abortion, her mom had a change of heart. I also pleaded with her to reconsider. She did it anyway. It made me sad."

Heather, this is one you were upset about a few months back, correct?. God, that's sad. Her son could've had a baby brother to play with. We live in a sick world.

Elizabeth, my friend gets them too. She's told me about it. Get this, I know a couple who have 7 children. They are extremely PL! "Judy" was telling me about a recent trip to the grocery store. She had all of her children in tow. She received so many dirty looks, and some lady even approached and said, "Get your tubes tied." The nerve! Some people look at children as a curse.

jasper, it's so nice to see you!! I keep missing you. Yes, that's the one.

I also blame a lot of this on society. Everyone puts education first. Women feel pressured into abortions in order to "finish school." It's a sad message to send.

Heather,

Theres a women at my parents church that have like 10 kids... but there of them are adopted. All of them are sisters.

Sorry, three of them are adopted.

Heather,

I am amazed at how obnoxious strangers can be for NO reason.

I also have another friend with 4 kids. She had an abortion. She gets lots of dirty looks when she's in public with her kids.

I want to see this movie sooo bad! It's not coming to STL until january!

"I am still confused at why so many people on here liked the movie Knocked Up"
Just got it in from Amazon Tuesday :) VERY excited.
Yeah the Catholic press was not amused.

"My grandfather wouldn't allow my mother to go to a concert where multiple bands were playing because one of the bands was an african american band."
My family is pretty liberal in that respect but my grandma still calls African Americans "negros."

Actually, my parents were cool. They weren't racist at all. Everyone on the street wanted parents like mine:]

I want to marry Taye Diggs.

Unfortunately Idina Menzel snagged him first.

They are my fav. interracial couple..mainly cause I'm a broadway kid at heart. And they met and fell in love during the original b'way cast of RENT. :sigh:

Hi Heather, all,

nice to hear from you guys again. I've been busy at work lately....

"My family is pretty liberal in that respect but my grandma still calls African Americans "negros.""

PIP, thats because "negros" use to be normal back in the day. My mom (who is 80) sometimes refers to black people as "colored".

jasper,

Yeah, that does make sense. It just sounds odd to me, living in different times and all that.

Fave interracial couple? Iman and David Bowie.

Used to be Carmen Electra and Dennis Rodman.

Heidi Klum and Seal.

Heather, I LOVE them!

Heidi Klum and Seal that is..carmen and dennis HAHA!

I thought Heidi would be a major bore in an interview. She surprised me on Jimmy Kimmel! She was so damn funny and well spoken. She was also pregnant at the time.

She got so freaking skinny after she had her baby..I was pretty jealous. I still have stretch marks 2 years later. :(

That beotch! LOL!

My favorite interracial couple is Deacon Harold Burke-Sivers and his wife Colleen.

My favorite interracial couple would be me and Shemar Moore....

;-) Just kidding!!

girls, don't worry about the stretch marks, something good came from that......it's no big deal anyway.

John,

I seen an interview with that guy on EWTN, he was pretty-good.

Ahhhhh, Elizabeth, I totally identify with being a broadway chick. I am in the same boat. I thought Juno looked funny, though I didn't get the chance to see it, though I can't really imagine that it was better than Hairspray, which is probably the best musical adaptation I've ever seen, or Across the Universe, which was phenomenal, or Sweeney Todd, which is probably the most amazing thing Sondheim ever touched, which is saying a lot considering how I worship that man.

Also, Taye Diggs is GORGEOUS. He and Idina need to start making some babies. Those would be some FINE looking babies. With incredible voices. *shudder* AMAZING.

I KNOW, Erin...oh how jealous I will be when they have the prettiest babies..physically and vocally!

Jasper,

I like to call them "battle scars" HAHA.

Hairspray was great. I really like John Travolta as Edna.

Jkeller,

Shemar Moore is BEAUTIFUL.

But Tyson Beckford takes the cake for me...that is one beautiful man I tell ya.

Ooooo, speaking of pretty black dudes and Hairspray, Elijah Kelley is my new crush. He's from my area, he played Seaweed in that movie. Totally yummy.

Chuck Hayes.

He is sexy and awesome, and has a great heart.

http://www.ukathletics.com/img/catspy_042803_hayesdemoss.jpg

He's cute, Jkeller!!!

You can't even see how buff he is in that picture..

but this one...

http://sports.tom.com/uimg/2006/11/14/wangtao/Chuck-Hayes-2006111400_52058.jpg

I think all of my insides just melted at that picture. He is quite pretty! errr..I mean masculine, manly, strong, haha!

Erin,

I've never seen sweeny todd in real life but when I saw the commercials it looked...odd. Like Depp's voice and the music went together weird or something. I'm not quite sure I can explain it.

PIP,

My brother wants to go see that movie on Christmas..I'm like..a movie about a demon barber on Christmas? mmmm..i'll pass HAHA.

PIP, it's a Sondheim, which explains a lot. His work is generally rather dark, but incredibly beautiful. The entire story of Sweeney Todd is twisted, but in a way where you can't really tell who you should be encouraging. Sondheim does a ton of work on the gray areas between our perception of evil and actual evil. Into the Woods was a fantastic example of that too. Just...absolutely stunning. Music and stories like that can open up entire new perspectives. And this is why I am such a mighty theatre geek.

Also, for any of those people on here who might see the title of Sweeney Todd and flip out (ZOMG, HE'S A DEMON!), he is not actually a demon. He's a barber who was wrongfully imprisoned by a corrupt government official who wants his daughter. Sweeney breaks out years later, comes back to find his daughter held hostage by the same man, and his wife gone. He then goes on a streak of revenge killings. Erm...and the lady who lives downstairs makes the people into pies. Which is kinda creepy. But...yeah. He's not a demon. In fact, I think Ms. Lovett is a more creepy character.

Erin,

Some of my friends have Sweeny Todd on their list of favorites. I guess I"m not sure whether I should wait to see it in theatre first? Just looking at the commercials the movie may be disappointing. Depp may be a fox, but can he sing?

Elizabeth- LOL. Kind of an interesting choice for Christmas. I thought Juno would be out on Christmas but I am not sure it is showing here where I live and I think STL will be showing in January :(
A lot of the other christmas movies look so lame!

PIP- I'd recommend seeing just about any film adaptation of a musical on the actual stage first, just because I consider it an unparalleled experience. Depp has a good voice- he was in a band before he became such a famous actor- and he's not bad as Sweeney, from the clips I've found on YouTube. He does a lot of alterations to the original style of Sweeney's voice to compensate for some of his lack of classical ability, but it still looks pretty neat. The cinematography, at the very least, is going to be dynamite!

I said I was just wondering if that would be the next step for anti-choicers if abortion became completely illegal.

Well, in answer to your question, no. Your question really doesn't even make sense. I mean, suppose infanticide were legal, and we were fighting to make it illegal (note: would we be "forcing" mothers not to kill their infant children?), our "next step" wouldn't be to force them and other women to keep their children as opposed to adopting them out. That is kind of absurd line of thought, don't you think?

By making abortion illegal you are FORCING many women to do something she doesn't want to do. Carry the child to term. Do some women feel pressured to abort, yes I'm sure there are. But there are also some that don't feel pressure as well.

Oh good grief, JM. When we have laws to prevent rape and murder, are we "forcing" people not to rape and murder? I wouldn't say we're forcing them not to rape and murder, we are telling them that there will be a penalty if they decide to do it, and we are trying to deter them from doing it, in order to protect innocent life!

We are protecting the innocent from harm, as much as is within our power to do. Why do you feel that we should not want to protect the innocent unborn from death, simply because their mother may not want them? Which is worse, loss of temporary convenience or loss of life itself?

I'm sure every person who decides to place their child up for adoption goes through a period where they just aren't sure, or they are scared. etc. So yes, lets help those women. But don't sit and try and talk them out of placing their child up for adoption.

Where do you see anyone saying we should talk anyone out of placing their children from adoption, JM? Where was it implied? Honestly.

alright, Erin, I'll try to see it when it comes to the Fox then!

I wanted to be the 100th comment.

Hahaha, that's awesome, heather.

Heather doesn't pull her punches.