Abortion rights are safe with most of the Republicans and all of the Democrats. No need to worry.

*grins* You want internal bickering, you should take a gander at HisMan and Kristen on the weekend question.

What I want to know is how can they favor Obama or Clinton over the other? It just seems impossible for either of them to be "more" pro-abortion. Do the Obama supporters really believe that Clinton is going to someone "undermine" abortion in anyway, or are they just sticking to their personal favorite in regards to other issues? It makes no sense, fo shizzle.

Yeah, fo shizzle. Nathan promised me saying fo shizzle would elevate me to the ranks of cool when he and I met this weekend in Oregun (not to be confused with Oregone).

Nathan and his pro-life girl posse took Bobby Schindler and I out for yummy organic food - and organic beer! - Saturday night.

Hey Nathan!

I know elements of NOW, which supports Clinton, and Planned Parenthood, which supports Obama, have been sniping. Love it.
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Gee, I belong to both organizations, and haven't heard a bit of "sniping" on either side.

I have, on the other hand, watched war between the "incrementalists" and "all-or-nothing" types on the pro-life side break out. Didn't Colorado Right to Life leave the National Right to Life altogether? Haven't the State factions endorsed 3-4 candidates - including one who's already washed out of the race (Thompson)?
When Pat Robertson endorsed Giuliani you had to know that the factions were fragmented. Mitt Romney signed a bill in Massachusets last year that provided $50 state-funded abortions, and you guys worship him as a "pro-life" candidate. McCain supports embryonic stem cell research once a week and he's still a "pro-life" candidate.

Please, Laura..it's not like you would admit it if you had. (Which I'm not so sure you haven't)

This blog is so cool! Fo Shizzle.

OK, people..this needs to end now! NO ONE should ever say fo shizzle. Ever.

lol

Elizabeth, et al, I have connections to both organizations, too. To call differing candidate endorsements at this point in the primary process "sniping" wreaks of wishful thinking, especially when you look at Democratic vs Republican vote totals. Few people out there seem excited about ANY of the candidates on your side.

According to WHO, Ray?

Erin: *grins* You want internal bickering, you should take a gander at HisMan and Kristen on the weekend question.

Have to laugh - yes indeed, Erin. (Like I said - some of the best arguments I have ever seen have been between Protestants and Catholics.)

To call differing candidate endorsements at this point in the primary process "sniping" wreaks of wishful thinking, especially when you look at Democratic vs Republican vote totals. Few people out there seem excited about ANY of the candidates on your side.

Posted by: Ray at January 28, 2008 3:24 PM
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The Democrats' Turnout Triumph
Friday, Jan. 25, 2008
By RANI MOLLA/WASHINGTON
TIME Magazine

As the Super Tuesday mother lode of primaries and caucuses fast approaches, both the Democratic and Republican races for the presidential nomination are equally tight, with no clear front-runner emerging for either party. Most hypothetical matches for the general election are looking similarly close. But so far in at least one key respect, the Democrats are clearly beating their G.O.P. counterparts: voter turnout.

Voters are showing up at Democratic primaries and caucuses in record numbers, doubling, tripling or even quadrupling the turnout totals recorded in the last fully contested two-party election in 2000. Overall, Democrats have so far outnumbered Republicans at primary polling places by a rate of about 7 to 5.

So far four states have held primaries or caucuses that both parties actively contested, and in each, Democratic turnout is outrunning participation by Republicans:

— In Iowa, some 239,000 Democrats turned out at the caucuses, almost twice the all-time record. Republicans doubled their turnout in Iowa, as well, but still only reached 114,000.

— In New Hampshire, some 287,000 Democrats turned out to vote, up from 156,862 in 2000, while Republican turnout decreased slightly to 238,000.

— In Nevada, more than 116,000 voters attended Democratic party caucuses in a state where, eight years ago, the gatherings attracted only about 1,000 votes. Republicans, too, broke turnout records. But their total of 44,315 votes was about a third the size of the Democrats'.

— In South Carolina, a predominantly Republican state, a record of 532,227 voters showed up to help give Barack Obama a resounding win in the Democratic primary Saturday. By contrast, G.O.P. turnout in the South Carolina primary the week before fell from 573,101 in 2000 to about 431,000 - a drop of nearly 25%.

In total, in the four states where there have been two-party contests — Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina — 1,174,227 Democrats have turned out to vote compared to 827,315 Republicans, a ratio of 7 to 5. As of now, the level of primary participation is nearing the levels seen in general elections.

These margins matter because Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada are all closely contested swing states in presidential elections. A switch of less than 10,000 votes in any of the three in 2004 would have handed each state's electoral college votes to a different party.

Meanwhile, where only Republican contests have been held, such as in Michigan (where Democratic candidates refused to campaign) GOP turnout is running behind levels recorded in 2000.

At least four factors are driving turnout: wide-open races for both party's nominations, the historic candidacies of both a black man and a woman, a general concern about the direction of the country and rising economic anxiety. Michael McDonald, a political scientist at George Mason University who studies voter participation, pointed in particular to Barack Obama, whose age and cross-party appeal has helped attract unusual numbers of independents and young people to Democratic contests. As of now, he says, independents are breaking for Democrats by a ratio of two to one. "One of the reasons why independents and young people are voting in a Democratic nomination process where they normally would not be involved is that there is an attractive candidate for them," said McDonald. He added that Obama's impact on turnout could be a cautionary tale for Democrats and Clinton. "I'm not sure if Clinton can replicate the same sort of magic that Obama has in mobilizing young voters and Independents to participate," said McDonald. A spokesperson for the Clinton campaign, Isaac Baker, believes Clinton will be able to pull from those groups in the general election. "Hillary has the ability to inspire new voters to go to the polls and help her make history in November," said Baker.

As for why Republican turnout is lagging Democratic so far, most observers point to a general sense of fatigue in the conservative movement after seven years under President Bush. Not only has the war and a growth in government sapped the party of its enthusiasm, but the grass roots has reservations about each of the leading Republican candidates, from McCain and Romney to Giuliani and even Huckabee.

Still, Republicans are playing down the impact of the turnout numbers on their own party's fortunes in the fall. Mike Duncan, chairman of the Republican National Committee, said, "There is not a direct correlation between turnout in primaries and who is elected President." But he acknowledges, "In the last 35 years, turnout in the presidential primary favors the party out of power."

So far, at least, 2008 is no exception to that rule.

All three candidates endorse the Freedom of Choice Act which would codify Roe and protect the right to choose for future generations....

Here's hoping it passes - taking some of the "edge" off the debate, perhaps, but further protecting the freedom that pregnant women have in this matter.

FF: I have, on the other hand, watched war between the "incrementalists" and "all-or-nothing" types on the pro-life side break out.

Laura, seen it right on Jill's blog, too. IMO the incrementalists have the advantage, i.e. that approach is so much more practical and likely to get toward what they want.

The "all or nothings" are very likely guaranteeing themselves the "nothing," and also, IMO, their motivation can at times be suspect, a la Zeke.

Doug

Laura,

OF COURSE that's how the Democrats are going to spin it lol. Maybe something a little less biased next time would suffice.

According to the NUMBERS, Elizabeth. To date, Democratic contests have garnered approximately TWICE the votes of Republicans ones, and in South Carolina, Obama received more votes than McCain and Huckabee COMBINED.

It was particularly irksome to me, an Edwards supporter, earlier in the race, when Edwards was receiving less press coverage than some of the Republicans, when despite having come in third, he had received more votes than any of them.

After eight years of one of the worst presidencies ever, a lackluster field of Repug...oops, Republican candidates is simply not inspiring conservatives to get out the polls.

And I might add that right wing pundits seem to be sitting this one out, too. The Limbaughs etc have not issued endorsements, and seem to be simply chattering about the results, wondering who will come out on top, not particularly energized by an of them.

The "all or nothings" are very likely guaranteeing themselves the "nothing," and also, IMO, their motivation can at times be suspect, a la Zeke.

Doug

Posted by: Doug at January 28, 2008 3:50 PM
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When the "all or nothings" rant about outlawing popular contraceptives - or better yet denying abortion to rape and incest victims - my heart soars.
When you can't pass an abortion ban in SOUTH DAKOTA, you should at least try to get a clue.

OF COURSE that's how the Democrats are going to spin it lol. Maybe something a little less biased next time would suffice.

Posted by: Elizabeth at January 28, 2008 3:51 PM
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How would you spin THIS?;

"Voters are showing up at Democratic primaries and caucuses in record numbers, doubling, tripling or even quadrupling the turnout totals recorded in the last fully contested two-party election in 2000."

Hal,

Abortion rights are safe with most of the Republicans and all of the Democrats. No need to worry.

Posted by: Hal at January 28, 2008 2:20 PM

Not all dems are dems for death.

http://www.democratsforlife.org/

Doug,

Here's hoping it passes - taking some of the "edge" off the debate, perhaps, but further protecting the freedom that pregnant women have in this matter.

Posted by: Doug at January 28, 2008 3:47 PM

Won't change the debate. They thought after the Roe decision, people would get used to human sacrifice, yet we haven't. It is the same egregious human rights violation it always was.

We, as those who opposed slavery, will never surrender or retreat.

Hippie, understood. I was just talking about the presidential canidates.

Laura,

How would you spin THIS?;
*
"Voters are showing up at Democratic primaries and caucuses in record numbers, doubling, tripling or even quadrupling the turnout totals recorded in the last fully contested two-party election in 2000."

I'd have to say that they are turning out in record numbers for some reason other than the abortion issue. Why? Because you told me that it's a non issue...over and over and over...

18 Reasons Why I Will Vote for Ron Paul

1. He is a Statesman, and not just a politician.

2. He is honest.

3. He believes that life begins at conception.

4. He is opposed to euthanasia.

5. He is a Constitutionalist.

6. He was the only one in Congress to speak up for the Indianapolis Baptist Temple when it was attacked by the IRS.

7.He wants to eliminate the Federal Reserve and return to an honest monetary system.

8. He wants to eliminate the IRS.

9. He wants to reduce government spending and balance the federal budget.

10.He opposes the Iraq War.

11.He opposes President Bush's scheme to merge the United States into a North American Union (NAU) with Mexico and Canada.

12. He will fight the Bush administration efforts to make illegal aliens who have returned to Mexico eligible for U.S. Social Security benefits and oppose amnesty.

13. He opposes the United Nations Law of the Sea Treaty (UNLOST).

14. He is a medical doctor and opposes socialized medicine.

15. He is not a member of the Council on Foreign Relations or the Trilateral Commission.

16. He is a proven money raiser at over $20 Million.

17. He has a clear testimony as a born again believer and has lived a life of Christian service to exemplify his faith.

18. He doesn't insult us by using his religious faith to pander for votes.

Ron Paul would be the first to tell you that he is not some miracle worker and that he can only do so much even if elected, and we all know that it will be a miracle if some one with his convictions would win in the present political climate. But folks, this may be the only chance in our life time for a candidate like this, so let's give it all we've got. We owe it to our families, neighbors, friends, churches, and nation. Go Ron Paul!

I'd have to say that they are turning out in record numbers for some reason other than the abortion issue. Why? Because you told me that it's a non issue...over and over and over...

Posted by: mk at January 28, 2008 4:27 PM
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Yup. They're turning out over the war and the economy.
I never said that they were turning out over abortion. Check out the debates on Wednesday and Thursday. Abortion is seldom or never mentioned.

*gigglefit*

Jill said fo' shizzle!

Fo' sheezy mah heezy dawg. :D

What up in the hizzle y'all?

It would certainly be mentioned more if the 50 million+ people killed by it could talk.

You remember, the babies...and some of their mothers, like these women:

Diane Adams, 28, died 1992
Eurice Agbagaa, 26, died 1989
Leigh Ann Alford, 34, died 2003
Demitrice Andews, 22, died 1988
Mickey Apodaca, 28, died 1984
Gloria Aponte, 20, died 1986
Charisse Ards, 20, died 1989
Barbara Auerbach, 38, died 1981
KB, age 19, died 1988
Jacqueline Bailey, 29, died 1977
Brenda Banks, 35, died 1989
Myrta Baptiste, 26, died 1989
Lisa Bardsley, 26, died 1995
Junette Barnes, 27, died 1988
Deanna Bell, 13, died 1992
Brenda Benton, 35, died 1987
Rosario Bermeo, 30, died 1983
Janet Blaum, 37, died 1974
Cassandra Bleavins, 20, died 1971
Linda Boom, 35, died 1995
Diane Boyd, 19, died 1981
Mary Bradley, 41, died 1985
Dorothy Brown, 37, died 1974
Chanelle Bryant, 22, died 2004
Dorothy Bryant, 22, died 1986
Belinda Byrd, 37, died 1987
Janeth Caldwell, 36, died 1987
Geneva Calton, 21, died 1979
Joan Camp, 22, died 1985
Marla Cardamone, 18, died 1989
Teresa Causey, 17, died 1988
Claudia Caventou, 33, died 1988
Patricia Chacon, 16, died 1984
Colleen Chambers, 34, died 1984
Sandra Chmiel, 35, died 1975
Gwendolyn Cliett, 29, died 1980
Margaret Clodfelter, 19, died 1980
Pamela Colson, 31, died 1994
Geneva Colton, 21, died 1979
Andrea Corey, 31, died 1993
Liliana Cortez, 22, died 1986
Edith Cote, 38, died 1991
Sheryl Cottone, 23, died 1981
Twila Coulter, 21, died 1972
Carol Cunningham, 21, died 1986
Betty Damato, 26, died 1980
Mary Ann Dancy, 32, died 1990
Angel Dardie, 22, died 1982
Barbaralee Davis, 18, died 1977
Glenda Davis, 31, died 1989
Kathy Davis, 26, died 1987
Margaret Davis, 33, died 1971
Sharon Davis, 17, died 1983
Marina DeChapel, 34, died 1978
Arlin dela Cruz, age 19, died 1992
Synthia Dennard, 24, died 1989
Alerte Desanges, 36, died 1994
Barbara Dillon, 22, died 1981
Jane Doe of Newark, 20, died 1993
Laniece Dorsey, 17, died 1986
Tamika Dowdy, 22, died 1998
Gwendolyn Drummer, 15, died 1972
Duarte, Anjelica, 21, died 1991
Evelyn Dudley, 38, died 1973
Sherry Emry, 26, died 1978
Georgianna English, 32, died 1980
Maureen Espinoza, 16, died 1997
Gladyss Estanlisao, 28, died 1989
Erna Fisher, 18, died 1988
Bonnie Fix, 38, died 1974
Sharon Floyd, 18, died 1975
Linda Fondren, 21, died 1974
Janet Forster, 18, died 1971
Cristella Forte, 16, died 1986
Glenna Jean Fox, 17, died 1989
Jammie Garcia, 14, died 1994
Josefina Garcia, died 1985
Marie Gibson, 34, died 1980
Christen Gilbert, 19, died 2005
Kathleen Gilbert, 29, died 1985
Christina Goesswein, 19, died 1990
Gaylene Golden, 21, died 1985
Maria Gomez, 39, died 1976
Edrica Goode, 21, died 2007
Shary Graham, 34, died 1982
Doris Grant, 32, died 1971
Debra Gray, 34, died 1989
Laura Grunas, 30, died 2006
Carolina Gutierrez, 21, died 1996
Angela Hall, 27, died 1991
Sharon Hamplton, 27, died 1996
Arneta Hardaway, 18, died 1985
Gracalynn "Tammy" Harris, 19, died 1997
Wilma Harris, 17, died 1974
L'Echelle Head, 21, died 2000
Sheila Hebert, 27, died 1984
Donna Heim, 20, died 1986
Lou Ann Herron, 33, died 1998
Moris Helen Herron, 26, died 1983
Rhonda Hess, 20, died 1982
Betty Hines, 21, died 1971
Shirley Hollis, 30, died 1991
Denise Holmes, 24, died 1970
Barbara Hoppert, 16, died 1983
Mary Ives, 28, died 1983
Karretu Jabbie, 24, died 1989
Louchrisser Jackson, 23, died 1977
Sandra Kaiser, 14, died 1984
Patricia King, 24, died 1987
Giselene Lafontant, 25, died 1993
Minnie Lathan, 41, died 1978
Barbara Lerner, 30, died 1981
Susan Levy, 30, died 1992
Cora Lewis, 23, died 1992
Sara Lint, 22, died 1970
Maria Lira, 19, ded 1974
Suzanne Logan, 34, died 1992
Diana Lopez, 25, died 2002
Linda Lovelace, 21, died 1980
Elva Lozada, died 1964
Deborah Lozinski, 17, died 1985
Dawn Mack, 21, died 1991
Michelle Madden, 18, died 1986
Sharon Margrove, 25, died 1970
Haley Mason, 22, died 2001
Gail Mazo, 27, died 1979
Sophie McCoy, 17, died 1990
Rita McDowell, 16, died 1975
Myria McFadden, 28, died 1987
Evangeline McKenna, 38, died 1974
Kathy McKnight, 36, died 1993
Kendra McLeod, 22, died 1998
Lynn McNair, 24, died 1979
Dawn Mendoza, 28, died 1988
Yvonne Mesteth, 18, died 1985
Natalie Meyers, 16, died 1972
Sandra Milton, 23, died 1990
Mitsue Mohar, 31, died 1975
Ruth Montero, 23, died 1979
Denise Montoya, 15, died 1988
Beverly Moore, 15, died 1975
Sylvia Moore, 18, died 1986
Christine Mora, 18, died 1994
Maura Morales, 25, died 1981
Shelby Moran, 60, died 1999
Katherine Morse, 20, died 1970
Kelly Morse, 32, died 1992
Loretta Morton, 16, died 1984
Kathy Murphy, 17, died 1973
Dorothy Muzorewa, 25, died 1974
Guadalupe Negron, 33, died 1993
Kimberly Neil, died 2000
Germaine Newman, 14, died 1984
Sara Niebel, 15, died 1994
Maria Ortega, 23, died 1970
Joyce Ortenzio, 32, died 1988
Venus Ortiz, 29, died 1998
Linda Padfield, 28, died 1973
Mary Ann Page, 36, died 1977
Mary Paredez, 26, died 1977
Holly Patterson, 18, died 2003
Shirley Payne, 33, died 1983
Mary Pena, 43, died 1984
DaNette Pergusson, 19, died 1992
Erika Peterson, 28, died 1961
Katherine Pierce, 27, died 1989
Katrina Poole, 16, died 1988
Yvette Poteat, 26, died 1985
Vanessa Preston, 22, died 1980
Dawn Ravenell, 13, died 1985
Jacqueline Reynolds, 22, died 1986
Erica Richardson, 16, died 1989
Luz Rodriguez, 40, died 1986
Magdalena Rodriguez, 23, died 1994
Rosael Rodriguez, 21, died 1986
Adelle Roe, age 26, died 2002
Amanda Roe, 19, died 1970
Alice Roe, 31, died 1970
Amy Roe, 35, died 1971
Annie Roe, 29, died 1971
Andrea Roe, 26, died 1971
Anita Roe, 23, died 1971
April Roe, 17, died 1971
Audrey Roe, 44, died 1971
Barbara Roe, 35, died 1971
Becky Roe, 18, died 1971
Beth Roe, 35, died 1971
Betty Roe, 29, died 1974
Beverly Roe, 21, died 1978
Brenda Roe, 31, died 1974
Cherish Roe, died 2005
Christi Roe, 29, died 1972
Cindy Roe, 25, died 1972
Colleen Roe, 31, died 1972
Connie Roe, 31, died 1972
Danielle Roe, 18, died 1972
Dawn Roe, 29, died 1972
Denise Roe, 27, died 1977
Donna Roe, 18, died 1973
Dorothy Roe, 44, died 1973
Eleanor Roe, 20, died 1973
Ellen Roe #1, 22, died 1974
Ellen Roe #2, 18, died 1983
Erica Roe, 20, died 1974
Faith Roe, 21, died 1974
Faye Roe, 18, died 1979
Gail Roe, 23, died 1975
Gloria Roe, 35, died 1976
Isabel Roe, died 1981
Judy Roe, 42, died 1970
Julie Roe, 14, died 1972
Kimberly Roe, 25, died 1970
Lori Roe, 17, died 1970
Malorie Roe, 35, died 1974
Mary Roe, 19, died 1971
Melissa Roe, 27, died 1992
Molly Roe, 21, died 1975
Monica Roe, 31, died 1971
Nadine Roe, 32, died 1978
Nancy Roe, 16, died 1972
Pamela Roe, 38, died 1974
Patricia Roe, 16, died 1975
Robin Roe, 21, died 1972
Roseanne Roe, 37, died 1971
Roxanne Roe, 17, died 1972
Sandra Roe, 18, died 1971
Sara Roe, 22, died 1972
Serena Roe, 22, died 1980
Sherri Roe, 20, died 1975
Sheryl Roe, 23, died 1970
Susan Roe, 21, died 1992
Tammy Roe, 33, died 1971
Tara Roe, died 2005
Teresa Roe, 19, died 1974
Terri Roe, 43, died 1991
Vanessa Roe, 35, died 1973
Vicki Roe, 23, died 1971
Wanda Roe, died 2006
Wendy Roe, 23, died 1972
Yvonne Roe, 19, died 1999
Julia Rogers, 20, died 1973
Rhonda Rollinson, 32, died 1992
Allegra Roseberry, 41, died 1988
Sharonda Rowe, 17, died 1981
Rhonda Ruggiero, 29, died 1982
Stacy Ruckman, 23, died 1988
LaSandra Russ, 20, died 1971
Tamia Russell, 15, doed 2004
F.S., 16, died 1970
Stella Saenz, 42, died 1968
Angela Sanchez, 27, died 1993
Angela Satterfield, 23, died 1990
Carole Schaner, 37, died 1971
Angela Scott, 19, died 1979
Oriene Shevin, 34, died 2005
Gloria Small, 43, died 1978
Deloris Smith, 15, died 1979
Diane Smith, 23, died 1976
Laura Hope Smith, 22, died 2007
Margaret Smith, 24, died 1971
Teresa Smith, 31, died 1988
Laura Sorrels, 30, died 1988
Kathryn Strong, 26, died 1972
Jennifer Suddeth, 17, died 1982
Tami Suematsu, 19, died 1988
Yvonne Tanner, 22, died 1984
Michelle Thames, 18, died 1987
Ingrid Thomas, 28, died 1994
Magnolia Thomas, 36, died 1986
Hoa Thuy "Vivian" Tran, 22, died 2003
Elizabeth Tsuji, 21, died 1978
Cheryl Tubbs, 29, died 1975
Iris Valazquez, 20, died 1987
Cycloria Vangates, 32, died 1976
Veal, Latachie, 17, died 1991
Brenda Vise, 38, died 2002
Cheryl Vosseler, 17, died 1969
Gail Vroman, 20, died 1979
Pamela Wainwright, 37, died 1987
Lynette Wallace, 22, died 1975
Debra Walton, 35, died 1989
Nicey Washington, 26, died 2000
Sheila Watley, 31, died 1987
Diane Watson, 27, died 1987
Ingar Weber, 28, died 1991
Robin Wells, 27, died 1981
Chivon Williams, died 1996
Ellen Williams, 38, died 1985
Nichole Williams, 22, died 1997
Sandra Williams, 30, died 1984
Shirley Williams, 30, died 1980
Tanya Williamson, 28, died 1996
Carole Wingo, 22, died 1974
Virginia Wolfe, 33, died 1998
Darlene Wood, 23, died 1982
Gail Wright, 29, died 1986
Stacy Zallie, 20, died 2002

(Those killed prior to 1-22-73 were killed by abortions done in states where it was already legal.)

Ron Paul would be a miracle worker if he managed to pull off a campaign victory....

(Those killed prior to 1-22-73 were killed by abortions done in states where it was already legal.)

Posted by: Anonymous at January 28, 2008 4:52 PM
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1) I assume all of your "Roe" names never existed. If you don't even know their names, how do you know how they died?

2) Pregnanct and childbirth are 11x more lethal that abortion. When are you going to post THOSE women's names?

Primary turn-out has never been indicative of general election results. Primaries draw the most committed on either extreme -- party devotees. It is a vetting process for each party. Also primary election laws are very uneven --- one doesn't have to be a resident of NH to vote there.

I'm not sure what will happen on the Republican side, but I'm surely enjoyind the Dem candidates pushing each other to the Left. Whichever candidate that comes out of that fray will be heavily bruised from the fight and will truly have to back pedal to get anywhere near the center. The center is where most voters side --- you know the vast majority of voters that don't bother to vote in primaries.

Trying to sell the American public on higher taxes (for mandatory poor health care) and offering timid defense rhetoric will be hard for the left, especially since none of the dems have any practical experience with anything beyond debating and cashing government checks.

I've never heard of 'pregnanct'. Perhaps a good dose of STFU is in order until you learn to spell.

Andy,

Oh please. Typos happen, get off your high horse. They're a normal part of writing, with and without a keyboard (though then they'd be misspellings).

If you're going to say anything, join in the discussion. Don't just attack someone for making mistakes, or attack anyone for that matter.

I've never heard of 'pregnanct'. Perhaps a good dose of STFU is in order until you learn to spell.

Posted by: Andy at January 28, 2008 5:51 PM
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The "T" key is right next to the "Y" key.
You couldn't figure that out?

Andy, do you actually have anything to say about....abortion?

Nathan and his pro-life girl posse took Bobby Schindler and I out for yummy organic food - and organic beer! - Saturday night.
**********************************************

What do you mean by organic food? And beer?

Here's a link to a Feministing post (just a few hours old) criticizing the NY chapter of NOW for criticizing Ted Kennedy for endorsing Obama.

Snipe snipe.

"Mitt Romney signed a bill in Massachusets last year that provided $50 state-funded abortions, and you guys worship him as a "pro-life" candidate."

Fetish facist, you don't know what you're talking about, this was mandated by the liberal Massacchusetts court.

"Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL, has called on pro-abort presidential candidates and groups to reserve slicing and dicing to preborn children and not one another."

LOL!

(FOCA) Won't change the debate. They thought after the Roe decision, people would get used to human sacrifice, yet we haven't. It is the same egregious human rights violation it always was.

Hippie, who is "they"? It's not me, that's for sure. I understand how you feel.
.....

We, as those who opposed slavery, will never surrender or retreat.

Big difference, though. There's no significant argument on slavery, but with abortion it's of course not that way. There are still people oin earth who are for slavery, but nothing like the abortion debate.

Slavery legal or not is pretty much an either/or deal. With abortion, you have most people being against elective abortions after viability. Quite a few being against them after a certain point in gestation. A minority being against them in the first trimester.

Those who would pretty much ban all abortions are a small slice of the pie - like 5% or 8% or 12%.

I can see why Jill felt it was wrong to let born, sentient babies suffer - and I don't think there's really much debate there either. But to from there to go all the way to banning even first trimester abortions is a huge leap.

Doug