Denver rocks..we REALLY need to take some notes.

Right on, Elizabeth...and rock on, Denver prolifers!

While gratuitous effrontery is rude, crude, inappropriate and unbecoming to civilized people, I disagree with Troy Newman (in the quote of the day) that the graphic abortion photos are bad for a community. If abortion is being openly and legally committed/sought in any country, city, or neighborhood, then that locale loses all fair claim to being regarded or referenced as civilized people.

They may not be good for business; but what's bad for a community is to cover up serial killings in progress. Deal with the killings; then you can legitimately dispense with the graphic evidence of them; but not before.

Children (and, for that matter, businesses) can get over seeing "those pictures"; what no one ever recovers from is BEING "those pictures".

I've also sometimes sat and wondered, (in my artless, Japanese way) just how many contractors and construction workers have been killed, in utero, by PP and ilk. Well, seems there's a way to estimate: the equivalent of the total population of some 17-18 states has been killed by reported legal induced abortion since 1973. Seems all you'd need to do is take 17-18 states whose populations total 50 million, and add up the number of contractors and construction workers in that sector, and you'd be close enough to count...

"Who would want to put up with this?" I agree. And they certainly don't have to.
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Yes, they should change their behavior and lifestyle so that you will approve of them and stop making them miserable.
If we all obeyed Osama and acquiesced to his demands, he would be happy with us and not make us miserable.
Will you be renouncing Christ and converting to Islam today? The faster we make Osama happy, the better our lives will be!

Laura,

you could be next in line, I'm working on getting your address.

It would be one thing if Laura presented us with any evidence that she posts for any other reason than to try to get prolifers to change their behavior so that she will approve of us/acquiesce to her demands, taunts, etc., renouncing showing the graphic truth of the violence of abortion, and make her and the rest of the proabortion cartel happy.

And, it would be another thing, too, if we, like Osama, were targeting the innocent for destruction. But, again, that's the abortion cartel's top priority...which is why they want the evidence suppressed

Laura,

you could be next in line, I'm working on getting your address.

Posted by: jasper at January 8, 2008 4:20 PM
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I cannot - for the life of me - figure out what you'd do with that information.

"I cannot - for the life of me - figure out what you'd do with that information"

protest, like the one above. LOL!

protest, like the one above. LOL!

Posted by: jasper at January 8, 2008 4:28 PM
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Fabulous idea!
My evil minions are raising money for NARAL, NOW, Emily's List, and a host of pro-choice lobbyists, and your activism amounts to lounging in front of my home?

The next President will appoint 2 - and as many as 4 - Supreme Court Justices. Why don't you hang out in front of my home while I raise money and volunteer for the Democratic Party?

Amazing that abortion on demand has been legal for 35 years.

"Amazing that abortion on demand has been legal for 35 years."

yes, it is. and if it weren't for the fact that my Mothers doctor talked her out of it, I would've been one of the victims of this holocoust.

yes, it is. and if it weren't for the fact that my Mothers doctor talked her out of it, I would've been one of the victims of this holocoust.

Posted by: jasper at January 8, 2008 4:46 PM
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Gee, if I live on a small Indonesian Island instead of in California, I could have been a victim of that giant tsunami!
I'm starting a group called "Survivors." If you weren't killed in the 911 strike, Hurricane Katrina or the giant tsunami, you are free to join. Mostly we just stand around and whine about things that never happened to us.

Jasper,
God bless your mother's doctor! I'm glad you're here!

This break, I visited my Grandma and saw some goats and chickens. My younger cousin raises chickens, he makes his own cartons and labels and sells the eggs to his mom and grandma. I ate one, it was delicious. then I went hiking and bouldering with my boyfriend. I went to my friends New Years Eve party. Oh we also had a Christmas party. One with my family, one with my friends. It's been good.

Directed to Jasper -- 'Want you to know I'M GLAD YOU WERE BORN!!! Btw, give me a hollar when you attain that address. Thanks for the laugh!!

Well, the senior VP of the Rocky Mountains did email me back, for those who didnt see that in the other thread, thanking me for the email and the support.

IYmYm: I've also sometimes sat and wondered, (in my artless, Japanese way) just how many contractors and construction workers have been killed

Some, likely, same as for serial killers, rapists, all-around all-purpose nasty buggers, etc.

We don't know how the person resulting from a continued pregnancy would turn out, but we sure know that some pregnancies are unwanted.

Interesting: All the protesters in your photograph are men.

"Jasper,
God bless your mother's doctor! I'm glad you're here!"

Thanks Laura! me too! I never knew how close I came to being copped to pieces....

jasper,
If you don't mind me asking, how on earth did you find that out?

Maybe she was like, "I had a chance to abort, damn I should have taken it." So Jasper want's to force everyone to have stupid, mean children.

Anon,
Even though your post seems cruel & vicious to jasper, I just want you to know that I understand....I love you....

"jasper,
If you don't mind me asking, how on earth did you find that out?"

Oh yes, I 'll tell you Laura. About 9 months ago (recently) my wife was on the phone with my Mom and they got into a conversation pregnacy etc, and my Mom told my wife "oh yes, I asked the doctor if I could get an abortion with Steven but he talked me out of it" (jasper is my dogs name) ...and she went on about how I was her seventh child, etc, etc...to my wife.

Wow! How awesome, though that you have that many brothers & sisters! Your mom made the right choice...the only one in "my book". Did you ever talk to your mom about it?

Interesting: All the protesters in your photograph are men.

Posted by: SoMG at January 8, 2008 7:33 PM
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Here's our hopeless Commander-in-Chimp signing the "partial-birth" abortion ban.
Notice anything interesting?

http://www.ronlim.com/worldarchive/bush_abortion_ban_11.5.03.jpg

Jasper,

Either your mother is weak minded or she wished to be talked out of aborting. Either way, she had a choice and made it.

No! Your Mom was pro-choice? How are you here! I mean, doesn't it go, "If it wasn't for your Mom being pro-life you wouldn't be here."
Did your Mom mean for you to hear it? Also, do you hate your Mom now that you knew she considered abortion? Don't you consider that the same as her saying, "I hate you and want you to suffer and die." I mean you must think terribly of her considering what you thought she was going to do to you.

"Notice anything interesting?"

The one on the left looks kinda preggers.

The one on the left looks kinda preggers.

Posted by: Jess at January 8, 2008 8:27 PM
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You are evil. I like that in a person.
(LOL!)

K cool, lets take over the world.
You get the rocket launchers, I'll get the pandas.
> )

"Did you ever talk to your mom about it?"

Laura,

no, I never did.

K cool, lets take over the world.
You get the rocket launchers, I'll get the pandas.
> )

Posted by: Jess at January 8, 2008 8:44 PM
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I only want THESE pandas:
http://www.owensworld.com/funnyimages/files/kiss_big.jpg

They'll have to do.
Just make sure they've already eaten and pooped, we don't want to have to deal with THAT.

"Did you ever talk to your mom about it?"

Laura,

no, I never did.

Posted by: jasper at January 8, 2008 8:46 PM
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Why?

"No! Your Mom was pro-choice? How are you here! I mean, doesn't it go, "If it wasn't for your Mom being pro-life you wouldn't be here."

My Mom was talked out of it by a pro-life Doctor.

"Did your Mom mean for you to hear it?"

No, I don't thinnk so, but the wifey told me.

"Also, do you hate your Mom now that you knew she considered abortion?"

No, and I don't hate women who had abortions. But I want to warn them about the abortion industry and tell them the truth about abortion.

"Don't you consider that the same as her saying, "I hate you and want you to suffer and die."

No, when have I ever said that about Mothers who abort?

"I mean you must think terribly of her considering what you thought she was going to do to you."

No, because I believe she was being duped by the lying abortion industry ( and radical feminists ) who have cleverly pursuaded women that abortion is Ok. But now, with the new media (internet, etc) the pro-aborts don't have the MSM to cover up their lies anymore.

"Why?"

I'm not sure why, she's 80 years old now....

"Maybe she was like, "I had a chance to abort, damn I should have taken it." So Jasper want's to force everyone to have stupid, mean children.

Jess, why are you posting as anon? No need to hide your comments.

"Why?"

I'm not sure why, she's 80 years old now....

Posted by: jasper at January 8, 2008 9:31 PM
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Wow! She's 80? That would have made her pregnant with you in her 40s. Small wonder she considered induced abortion.
Talk to her. She's a person that has lived in a time that you know nothing about but what you are told. She lived it. Honor her for who she is and what she has lived.

she was 40 at the time, I'm 40 now.

why, Mothers have children in the early 40's safetly. whats your point exactly? kill the child if it's unwanted?

she was 40 at the time, I'm 40 now.

why, Mothers have children in the early 40's safetly. whats your point exactly? kill the child if it's unwanted?

Posted by: jasper at January 8, 2008 9:58 PM
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If you are 40 you were born in 1967. Your mother did not have access to a legal abortion. She had no choice but to gestate you. You might want to ask why she considered an illegal abortion. Knowledge is wisdom.

Jasper,

No, because I believe she was being duped by the lying abortion industry ( and radical feminists ) who have cleverly pursuaded women that abortion is Ok. But now, with the new media (internet, etc) the pro-aborts don't have the MSM to cover up their lies anymore.

Posted by: jasper at January 8, 2008 9:09 PM

For every 1000 europeans in 2000 there will be 230 in 2100.

The abortion industry duped an entire continent into virtual cultural suicide.

I hope the immigrants appreciate the invitation to repopulate. Wonder who they will be.

Why should europe fear terrorists? They kill themselves far faster and hand their nations over to whoever is willing to be their temporary underclass.

Yes, she considered an illegal abortion.

again, what are trying to say.. If I wasn't wanted, she should've had the right to sentence me to death?

Carol,

Abortion was legal in some states before Roe v. Wade. She could just get on a bus and go.

Again, I would like to point out to the cyber powers that jasper is under a ruthless siege and responding like a complete gentleman…one can only wonder how long he will hold out before he is labeled “snippy” and “rude”…

Yes, she considered an illegal abortion.

again, what are trying to say.. If I wasn't wanted, she should've had the right to sentence me to death?

Posted by: jasper at January 8, 2008 10:26 PM
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Your mother discussed an illegal abortion with her doctor when abortion was illegal? That is what you stated. Do you just make crap up or what? What are you? 12?

mk? Hello? Are you watching this?? Just wondering...

Carol,

Abortion was legal in some states before Roe v. Wade. She could just get on a bus and go.

Posted by: hippe at January 8, 2008 10:26 PM
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Jasper isn't presenting a hypothetical version of his truth-----or is he? He said that his mother asked her doctor to perform an abortion back in 1967. Quick! Scramble around and find a hypothetical place she could have asked her doctor for and received one in 1967. You folks are liars.

Carol,

would you like to call my wife? I'll give you her cell-phone number. She's in bed now, but you can call tomorrow OK?

Ok…this is too damn much. We get a lecture for being snippy and rude and mere hours later jasper is under attack on one thread from Carol and Sandy is defending herself from Laura….and they both are maintaining composure while the other side is resorting to lambasting and cruel sarcasm.

I’ve had it. If the PL’ers who run this site think it’s good form to slap us into submission while enduring this garbage spewing from the usual suspects then this blog isn’t worth the time it takes to read it, let alone post here. I’ll go find someplace where I can speak with friendlies.

Thanks anyway…I think ABL was right. The radical pro-aborts are driving us out.

Have fun with them.

"He said that his mother asked her doctor to perform an abortion back in 1967."

No, I said she told the doctor she wanted to get an abortion (not from him).

Ohhhh...there you go jasper, snippy and rude.

Shame on you and your vicious name calling.

Next thing you know I'll be calling you a Colts fan...

LOL Hooves.... Hopefully the colts will make it past the Chargers....

as far as the pro-aborts, they don't phase me a bit, they can me any name in the book.

we have the Truth on our side.

Good for you...wish my skin was as thick. Thanks for forwarding ABL and Carrie's emails...I'm going to stay in touch with them, but tonight has been the kicker for me on this site...had my fill.

I will be sure to send you a nice, big horseshoe e-card in a couple of weeks!!

Take care jasper...enjoyed your posts.

(I'm glad she didn't nuke you too...and bold of you to share, thank you!)

fetusfasces,
Ive only been on the blog a few days but Iv'e seen you get a quite a few people upset. You appear to enjoy it. Did someone close to you who you were dependent upon treat you that way. You blogs seem to be insensitive to others and you appear to either be blind to it or enjoy it.
Relax. Take a deep breath.

Carol, and Jess are you Fetisfishy's cohorts in corruption. Let me ask you all a question. Isn't it awesome what they are doing in Denver? Aren't those guys great!! Shining the light on the truth and exposing the abortionists and the people who support them. It's a shame they were able to snake their way into Aurora undetected isn't it? Looks like they had some inside help from the mayors ofice to get in undetected. Isn't it exhilirating and exciting. Just seeing those pictures of them makes me wanna grab a "Planned Parenthood lies to you" sign and head down to Oakhurst drive.

Hooves,

If I had been on when that was going down, I probably WOULD have spoken up, but I was feeding the kids and putting them to bed...

At any rate, I don't expect as much from the other side as I have said. They are our guests. Remember the scene in "To Kill A Mockingbird" when that kid poured maple syrup all over his roast beef?

The point is, I'm not here to babysit. And I'm sorry that you saw my posts as lectures. As I said, this site has been molded to be a place where the other side can come and not be ganged up on. That can change. If the majority of posters want this to become just another insult swap filled with nastiness and meanness, I won't stop them. I just won't be part of it.

I can't believe you left over this.

I can't believe everybody is pickin' up their gumeyeballs and goin' home.

What does that say about us? When it gets unpleasant or tough or requires a little effort on our part, we quit?

I'm sorry you're leaving. If there is anything I can say, tell me. You've have made me laugh so many times I can't count them.

I told Rae on Sunday that you were the funniest person on this board. So I'm really crushed that it has come to this.

Moderating is not easy. You guys think it's hard being attacked by pro choicers? Imagine how it feels to be put in a position where your own side is angry with you. My job is too keep things at a certain level. When I see it escalating to a point that people are leaving, I intervene. I try to speak to both sides. But if I'm not here I can't do that. I missed the above exchange, and regardless, Jasper handled it like the gentleman that he is. He didn't need my help. And as you can see, by the end a perfectly reasonable exchange was taking place.

At any rate, I think I'll just back off and whoever stays, stays, whoever leaves, leaves. Obviously moderating is not possible if there are no "players" left...

I hope you reconsider and stick around. I look forward to the smiles you bring to my face.

I'll give you a gumeyeball...

It would seem that the Choicers are all for creating strife and chaos on this site. They know that they can come here and "start something" and if it gets us riled up-GOOD! They seem to love what they do. Spreading hate. They are wrong and deep down they know it.

I've been a little out of the loop the last 2 days, sorry. 2 wakes and a trip to Chicago.

MK tells me some pro-lifers are riled by her general reminder not to provoke. She and I had discussed the fact Monday that one pro-lifer on this site habitually does that (provokes without being provoked), and we thought issuing a general appeal would do the trick. I've asked MK to email that person directly.

To those upset, please don't leave. We've enjoyed, learned, and been encouraged by your posts.

I agree some pro-aborts here can hurl low blows, and in that case we all can certainly respond, debate, and refute. I also appreciate when we turn the other cheek. I take what they say in stride. I would rather we talk, even if at some points we are treated uncivilly, than not talk. That's why we rarely delete.

So please stay. I would be very sorry to see any of you go. And I'm sorry, MK, that you took heat because I wasn't here to help.

Abortion was legal in Colorado in 1967, and I think in California too (by 1968 or so if not 67). Maybe elsewhere.

Carol,

would you like to call my wife? I'll give you her cell-phone number. She's in bed now, but you can call tomorrow OK?

Posted by: jasper at January 8, 2008 10:45 PM

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Why not go directly to the source? Your wife wasn't privy to your mother's confidence back in 1967 was she?

Abortion was legal in Colorado in 1967, and I think in California too (by 1968 or so if not 67). Maybe elsewhere.

Posted by: Ed at January 9, 2008 8:07 AM
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Governor Ronald Reagan signed the Country's most liberal abortion laws into effect in Califorinia. The year was 1967.

Your mother discussed an illegal abortion with her doctor when abortion was illegal? That is what you stated. Do you just make crap up or what? What are you? 12?

Posted by: Carol at January 8, 2008 10:33 PM

Carol most illegal abortions were done by doctors. So talking to her doctor about having one isn't far fetched.

Hippie (I think that's who said it) is correct that abortion was legal in some states before Roe V Wade.

And your last two sentences on the above post just show your lack of intelligence and lack of respect that MK was talking about. Proving Hooves correct - it's not all the PLers.

Thanks for an awesome post Jill. I feel the same way about Pro Lifers who come in to my forum on Facebook.

It can never hurt to just be civil.

And sorry about the wakes...

MK is a perfect moderator, because she makes ALL of us stop and think about our behavior and how it reflects on us.

Carol - prior to Roe V Wade, most illegal abortions, as well as legal ones, depending on which state, were performed by doctors and midwives who also ran normal practices but let the word spread that they also performed abortions.

NYC is a good example of this - which is one of the misconceptions PP spreads which annoys me. Its in the history books - abortions performed by untrained hacks were FAR more rare than abortions performed by fully qualified medical professionals - its just that the methods back then were not as safe or effective as they are today, and a lot of times doctors or nurses would perform abortions outside of their medical office and in less sanitary environments, one of the most infamous being a convent where a group of Nuns ran an underground railroad of sorts.

A good book to read if you want a more accurate HISTORY of abortion in America without the propaganda from PP OR Pro Life Organizations is "Abortion Wars" - I forget the author, but its on Amazon.com

That chanting in the video was POWERFUL! I mean, you could hear the one person protesting so clear! What a bunch of wackjobs. Fine a pair of skis. Go give some speeches on abstinence.

SoMG,

There were certainly women at all 5 of the New Years Day
protests. They may have been out of camera's range
in these snaps.

I was at 3 of the later in the day events and there were 4
or 5 women present.

Not that it matters. Anyone willing to protest those helping
PP slaughter the innocents is a champion of the faith in my book.

Interesting: All the protesters in your photograph are men.

Posted by: SoMG at January 8, 2008 7:33 PM

I can tell you that at PP Aurora, most of the time women out number the men. I was there yesterday and in the 2 hours I was there we had 9 women and 5 men. Women are a big part of the protests in Aurora.

So what exactly is your point SoMG?

Why does everyone think that jasper is rude? LOL! He's a far cry from it.

Tara,

I'm so happy to see that YOU haven't left...

Jasper can be rude when it appeals him.

Then again, everyone on here can be rude when they want to.

MK & me have had many a "verbal throwdowns" in our past, especially the whole Dahmer conversation (hahaha, I love you MK), and then we had a party where Cam married Queen (or was Queen the musical guest)?

And of course, HisMan and I have thrown verbal punches as well.....
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But we all try to get along.

hello midnite and mk! typing while eating.

you could be next in line, I'm working on getting your address.

*******
Disgusting - truly disgusting

what the heck happened yesterday?

Hi Heather!

::tuumy growls::

I think I should eat as well, hmmmmmm.

MK, you got anymore lemming pizza?
Or Captian Morgan Rum???

As for what happened, I've got no clue really. Although, I am happy to say I didnt start it :-)

Disgusting - truly disgusting

Posted by: TexasRed at January 9, 2008 10:02 AM------------ What are you talking about?

midnite, I'm eating corn dogs. I'm glad it wassunt me either:]

Heather:

Jasper is trying to find Laura's home address for reasons unknown to the rest of us.

Remember the HUGE stink HisMan caused b/c Cam joked about getting his address.

That's not funny and is considered a threat...

Yes, she considered an illegal abortion.

again, what are trying to say.. If I wasn't wanted, she should've had the right to sentence me to death?

Posted by: jasper at January 8, 2008 10:26 PM
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Yes, she did have that right. And you, as mindless insensate nonviable oblivious tissue and cell structure would have never known the difference. And if she hadnt told them, no one around her would have known the difference either. My mother considered abortion too. Her pregnancy was high risk, there were complications, she already miscarried twice and had been told she couldnt carry to term. She decided to try. But I never held it against her that she considered abortion. And I certainly dont obsessed about it decades after the fact or try to pretend that total strangers have some obligation to continue unwanted pregnancies just because I 'could have been' aborted.

heather:

mmmmmm, my co-worker just went to get me waffle house breakfest, YUMMY....

This is why I dont wake up early, I get hungry at 10....

we have the Truth on our side.

Posted by: jasper at January 8, 2008 10:52 PM
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No. You only have your opinion. And your opinion isnt more important than the opinion of the woman who is actually going to deal with the pregnancy. If YOU arent the one pregnant then YOU arent part of the decision making process. THAT is the TRUTH.

midnite, HMMMMM. I was scrolling through the other threads. Looks like things got a wee bit heated. My mood is calm today. Well, so far.

No. You only have your opinion----------------------------- And that's all you've got too.

That was to Texas Red. *points up*

It would seem that the Choicers are all for creating strife and chaos on this site. They know that they can come here and "start something" and if it gets us riled up-GOOD! They seem to love what they do. Spreading hate. They are wrong and deep down they know it.

Posted by: Carla at January 9, 2008 6:21 AM
*******
What is WRONG is the hate that the antichoicers exhibit time after time after time. You have someone threatening to come to a pro choicers house and attack her as soon as you find her address. You think that terrorist threats and tactics are commendable and admirable. And harassing someone and attacking someone at their home is exactly that - its a terrorist attack. You want to try to abuse and bully and blackmail and intimidate and harass people to do what you want them to do and you think the end justifies the means. You dont care about anyone but yourselves and your personal unstable neurotic obsessions. The whole antichoice position is beneath contempt. Whimpering about pro choicers 'attacking' antichoicers on this site is about as laughable and hypocritical as it gets.

Yeah, I'm already in a "not good" mood, so I am going to stay out of the internet fights today. I've got other, more important things to worry about...

OOOOH, and I am meeting up with Bethany on Saturday, so MK your next on my list!!

Oh Bethany and Midnite....I'm so jealous. And happy for you both. I wish I could be there! Will you be doing "breakfast"?

1967

California Therapeutic Abortion Act enacted. Allows a physicians' committee to approve abortions in cases where there is substantial risk that continuance of the pregnancy would gravely impair the physical or mental health of the woman, and in cases of rape and incest. Requires all abortions to be performed in accredited hospitals. Prohibits abortions after 20 weeks gestation. Also, causes Penal Code sections on abortion to be amended to exempt abortions which are in compliance with this act.

http://www.ppacca.org/site/pp.asp?c=kuJYJeO4F&b=139490

Disgusting - truly disgusting

Posted by: TexasRed at January 9, 2008 10:02 AM------------ What are you talking about?

Posted by: heather at January 9, 2008 10:07 AM
**************
Since I QUOTED what I was talking about youve got egg on your face again.

midnite, cool!!!!

No. You only have your opinion----------------------------- And that's all you've got too.

Posted by: heather at January 9, 2008 10:14 AM
*************
My position is the OPINION of the woman who is pregnant is the one that should matter. YOU fantasize you should be making the decision and what the pregnant woman thinks, feels, believes, needs or wants just doesnt matter. Her welfare, her health, her situation just isnt as important as YOUR opinion. YOU are the only one who should be important. The only one whose opinion should matter is YOURS because why? youre so much more important than she is? you know so much more about her life than she does? youre such an authority on what is best for her?

No. You only have your opinion----------------------------- And that's all you've got too.

Posted by: heather at January 9, 2008 10:14 AM
*************
My position is the OPINION of the woman who is pregnant is the one that should matter. YOU fantasize you should be making the decision and what the pregnant woman thinks, feels, believes, needs or wants just doesnt matter. Her welfare, her health, her situation just isnt as important as YOUR opinion. YOU are the only one who should be important. The only one whose opinion should matter is YOURS because why? youre so much more important than she is? you know so much more about her life than you do? youre such an authority on what is best for her?

Hooves, AB, Carrie etal,

See now, there is always an exception to the rule...

This would be the time to let loose with the sarcasm and vitriol...there are few people that seem hopeless to me...but TR qualifies..

Have a ball.

No. You only have your opinion----------------------------- And that's all you've got too.

Posted by: heather at January 9, 2008 10:14 AM
*************
My position is the OPINION of the woman who is pregnant is the one that should matter. YOU fantasize you should be making the decision and what the pregnant woman thinks, feels, believes, needs or wants just doesnt matter. Her welfare, her health, her situation just isnt as important as YOUR opinion. YOU are the only one who should be important. The only one whose opinion should matter is YOURS because why? youre so much more important than she is? you know so much more about her life than she does? youre such an authority on what is best for her?

Where are my warriors when you need them?

Texas Red, I would be happy to answer you, but I have no idea what you're talking about.

midnite and Bethany, let us know how it goes!! That is really cool!

Sorry about the multiple posts - dont know what happened

Texas Red, I would be happy to answer you, but I have no idea what you're talking about.

Posted by: heather at January 9, 2008 10:39 AM
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Thats alright. You never have any idea what ANYONE is saying, including yourself.

WHO a woman could go to for an illegal abortion depended on WHO she knew and how much money she had. A woman with money had options. A poor woman with little money wasnt going to be able to go to another country, or go to a doctor who performed abortions at a clinic or a hospital.

Texas RED, what are you talking about?

MK,

We'll be doing lunch... I dont eat breakfest that often, lol.

You got in plans in March? I have a break and need to come see Chicago

midnite, I think that's great. I can't believe that friendships are really forming here. I'm glad you're keeping an opened mind:]

TexasRed -

here's the thing - theres absolutely nothing wrong with someone trying to encourage a woman to make the choice that they believe is the best one. If you are truly pro CHOICE, you would respect that some women will CHOOSE to go to a Pro-Life organization for help or advice, while other women will CHOOSE to go to Planned Parenthood or another organization that is not opposed to abortion.

So you can't fault those who are there to help women and coming from an anti-abortion point of view. They have every right to.

....HOWEVER... that being said, there is a Huuuuuuuuuuuge difference between being available as a CHOICE for a woman who may be pro life or leaning towards pro life, and someone who thinks its okay to protest at someone's home for being pro choice or associating with a pro choice organization.

To Sandy and any other people who get attacked by pro-aborts. Keep in mund that many of the PC people who come to this blog are really insincere. They know pro-life people care and like to counsel and and they'll get you to open up so they can have fun ridiculing you. The personas they use are not real and they are not really disingenuous. Always remember that you never know if the people on the other side of an Internet chat are being genuine. I had a 6 hour chat with somebody the other night before determining they had been using a completely fictitious profile just to try and ridicule us.
I will do my best not to engage in personal attacks. So far the worst I have done is intentionally misspell the moniker of somebody who I believed to be insincere.
God bless you all and the peace of Jesus Christ be with you always.

Wow -

Texas Red got out on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Really do you need to be so nasty so early in the morning?

Tara, it's not just early morning. It's noon as well as PM. Well, you get it:]

Heather -

I worry about her blood pressure with all that stress. To be that angry all the time isn't healthy on the body.

Heather,
You must be on the East Coast...good day:)

Truth, I am.

hehehe, I'm in the SouthEast...

urgh, I should have eaten when I took my meds this morning, I feel nausiated (sp?)....

midnite678 -

Feeling sick in the morning is the worst. I hope it doesn't last long!!:)

It shouldnt, but you never know with medication.

So before there is any confusion.

(1)I am not preggers
(2)I dont have "morning sickness",
(3) I didnt eat with my medication like I should have....

midnite678 -

I did not assume that you were "perggers":) I understand what it feels like to take meds without eating in the AM and it really stinks. You just have to wait until the nausia goes away.

Oh Tara,

I know you didnt.

But I am sure someone would read what I wrote and assume that I am preggers and have morning sickness.

Midnite,

why would you be pregnant? you shouldn't be sleeping around unless you're commited to the man your with.

See Tara...

Enough said.

Jasper shut the _____ up. I'm in mood to mess with you today. No I am not pregnant. I am sick from taking medication w/o food this morning...

I love how feeling sick in the morning = pregnant = sleeping around.

Talk about making leaps and bounds to some ridiculous conclusions...

Midnite - I've always found Ritz crackers to be a miracle cure for nausea.

Midnite,

I was just warning you about bad behavoir, please don't take offense.

Thanks Amanda.

I'll go buy some of those on my lunch break...

Jasper:

I dont need you to shove your morals down my throat. KThanx!

And being pregnant and not married does not equal a whore who sleeps around...

"And being pregnant and not married does not equal a whore who sleeps around..."

who said that Midnite? not me. I was simply trying to say that if one is not commited in a relationship, it's best not to have sexual relations with him/her. would you agree?

Feeling sick in the morning? Time to visit a CPC?

Ahhhhhh...I kill me.

Okay, okay...I was only kidding...

Hey, sorry to disrupt the conversation and all that but I didn't know where else to post this. I am building a page to list pictures of commenter's here (so we can put faces with names), and I would love to have people here participating! Please send your picture to add to the page...

Click the link below see what I have so far:
http://www.preciousinfants.com/whoswho.htm

And on the top of the page you'll see a link where you can email me with your picture if you'd like to be included! Thank you! :)

mk:

LOL!!:)

midnite678 -

Believe it or not green grapes help. I don't know why but it settles the stomach.

"there is a Huuuuuuuuuuuge difference between being available as a CHOICE for a woman who may be pro life or leaning towards pro life, and someone who thinks its okay to protest at someone's home for being pro choice or associating with a pro choice organization."
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Not nearly as huge as the difference between a living child and a butchered one.

MK, Ill send you a picture once I take a new one, somehow I think me dressed as a pirate wouldnt be the best one to put up there ;)

Sorry, BETHANY, I'll send you the picture.

With everything going on here I think I just had MK on my mind.

Hehe Dan, that's okay! Just take your time...the page will still be around for a while. I hope many people will put their pictures in. I think it would be GREAT to know what everyone looks like.

Bethany -

I dont have any pictures on my harddrive at work and I can't really email them from my office email either...

But you can just save any of these ones right off the web. (I'll let you pick)

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=71g73a0&s=1
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=815v4ph&s=1
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=8bgj98o&s=1

What a cute idea ;)

Aww Amanda, those are soooo cute! So hard to choose!!

I guess I'll go with the second one! :)

It's up now :)
http://www.preciousinfants.com/whoswho.htm

oooh, my face looks a little chunky in that picture. I might e-mail you a different one when I get home from class tonight.

MK:

I'll be learning about Dahmer tonight, lol. I'am taking a class on America's Serial Killers :-)

"(has exchanged her love for lemmings to a new love for mullets)"

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA

MK, this ones for you:
http://img.timeinc.net/surf/content/images/mullet_2003usopen.jpg

(sorry - that was me - forgot to enter my name again... jasper dont beat me up!!!)

ok midnite, no problem!

Oooo, midnite, that class must be fascinating.

Erin,

I sure hope so. Tonight is the first one!!

TexasRed -

here's the thing - theres absolutely nothing wrong with someone trying to encourage a woman to make the choice that they believe is the best one. If you are truly pro CHOICE, you would respect that some women will CHOOSE to go to a Pro-Life organization for help or advice, while other women will CHOOSE to go to Planned Parenthood or another organization that is not opposed to abortion.

So you can't fault those who are there to help women and coming from an anti-abortion point of view. They have every right to.

....HOWEVER... that being said, there is a Huuuuuuuuuuuge difference between being available as a CHOICE for a woman who may be pro life or leaning towards pro life, and someone who thinks its okay to protest at someone's home for being pro choice or associating with a pro choice organization.

Posted by: Amanda at January 9, 2008 10:54 AM
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I AM pro choice and I freely admit that abortion would be a bad choice for a whole lot of women. What is the best option for one woman can be the very best option for someone else. If a woman is pregnant and wants to continue her pregnancy then more power to her. If she knows she isnt in a position to deal with the demands of a pregnancy then Im not going to try to pretend I know more about her situation than she does. Each woman has the right to do what THEY think is best. I think BOTH women deserve to be told the truth, and not fed propaganda and misinformation. And I agree there is a huge difference between 'being there' if someone wants to COME to you for help and harassing someone and trying to intimidate them at their own home.

Heather -

I worry about her blood pressure with all that stress. To be that angry all the time isn't healthy on the body.

Posted by: Tara at January 9, 2008 11:15 AM
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Why do you need the delusion that Im angry? Its another example of antichoicers telling lies because the truth doesnt suit them. And it shows that you dont have any trouble telling lies. I had my b/p taken yesterday, in fact - was 92/78 and Id just run up a flight of stairs to get to the dentists office.

Texas Red got out on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Really do you need to be so nasty so early in the morning?

Posted by: Tara at January 9, 2008 11:06 AM
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'Nasty' is harassing someone at their home to try to blackmail and bully them into being obedient to YOUR wishes.

Midnite,

MK:
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I'll be learning about Dahmer tonight, lol. I'am taking a class on America's Serial Killers :-)

NO WAY! That is just too funny. Tell them my theory!

There is a special on National Geographic tonight about morality and "evil"...

I'll watch that while you take on Dahmer...

Amanda,

YUCK! lol...not the hair, the fish! Are you going to post your picture?

Amanda,

Ahhh I see it now. We need a permanent link on this site to the pictures...

You guys are really beautiful...and young, God, so young...why, when I was your age...

I don't like this y'all. We have to do what we can within our legal, ethical rights to save babies from dismemberment, but protesting at people's homes just makes prolifers look like assholes.

While I appreciate (on a very thin line) that their our Operation Rescue types out there, there are very distinct reasons why I can't count myself among them.

"but protesting at people's homes just makes prolifers look like assholes."

why is that Jacque?

Why do you need the delusion that Im angry? Its another example of antichoicers telling lies because the truth doesnt suit them. And it shows that you dont have any trouble telling lies. I had my b/p taken yesterday, in fact - was 92/78 and Id just run up a flight of stairs to get to the dentists office.

Posted by: TexasRed at January 9, 2008 4:07 PM
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CHILL!! I was only kidding.

You made a very serious accusation about me. PROVE IT!!

I would NEVER CALL someone a liar unless I knew them and had proof. You really are nasty and mean. But that's obviously how you wish to have people perceive you. You really need some help.

Jasper,

Why does that not make y'all look like assholes?

Do you think it makes you a saint or a marytr? B/c it doesnt.

midnite678,

Are you feeling better?

Oh Midnite, I want to apoligize to you, I said something earlier that came off the wrong way...I know you're a nice girl.

...when the protestors go the homes of people who are building the death mills, they are warning them that they are making a big mistake. They're not doing it to be assholes. they would leave in second if they stopped the construction.

Tara,

I am, thanks for asking! How are you this evening?

Jasper,

The problem with protesting outside a persons home is actually endless.

(1)You're punishing their family and neighbors
(2)You're not taking relevant cirumstances into debate (i.e. they gotta feed they're family too)
(3)You're punishing this person (or blackmailing them) b/c they have a different opinion than you. Or they could even be PL, but as I said earlier, they have to feed their family as well...

midnite678,

Except for Texas Red's rudeness, I'm doing well. Just put my kids to bed and getting ready to study for my class on Monday.

Tara,

Take a deep breath, have a glass of wine and then study. Always helps me wind down before studying :-)

Texas Red,
Isn't it awesome what they are doing in Denver? Aren't those guys great!! Shining the light on the truth and exposing the abortionists and the people who support them. It's a shame the abortionists were able to snake their way into Aurora undetected isn't it? Looks like they had some inside help from the mayors ofice to get in undetected. Isn't it exhilirating and exciting to see those pictures of what is going on in Denver. You don't have to be mean. Did your loved ones always show you their affection by abusing you. Makes me wanna grab a "Planned Parenthood lies to you" sign and head down to Oakhurst drive.

midnite678,

That's a great idea. I just bought a bottle of Pino this weekend. Have a great night. Off to the books:)

Party? Party? Mullets? Lemmings? Johnny?????

It's been way too long since our last blowout. I'll pull the boa out of storage...clean any stains off...you know, like rum/olive/champagne?

I'll be learning about Dahmer tonight, lol. I'am taking a class on America's Serial Killers :-)

Posted by: midnite678 at January 9, 2008 3:14 PM
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If you dont already know about it, check out the CourtTV web page - its a great source of information about crime in general and has a very impressive store of information about serial and spree kililers

"but protesting at people's homes just makes prolifers look like assholes."

why is that Jacque?

Posted by: jasper at January 9, 2008 7:03 PM
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It shows that antichoicers are selfish, self absorbed, self centered, rude, inconsiderate, and think no one matters but them. They think they can do anything they want to anyone they want and its ok because the end justifies the means. Harassment, intimidation, blackmail, all are somehow justifiable and excusable.

CHILL!! I was only kidding.

You made a very serious accusation about me. PROVE IT!!

I would NEVER CALL someone a liar unless I knew them and had proof. You really are nasty and mean. But that's obviously how you wish to have people perceive you. You really need some help.

Posted by: Tara at January 9, 2008 7:19 PM
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Whining 'I was only kidding' is passive aggressive avoidance. You try to hide behind 'humor' because you cant take the heat from your original statement so you try to pretend 'I didnt really mean it'. You said I was angry. Thats a lie. That makes you a liar. Trying to pretend youre in a position to decide who 'needs help' is more than a little amusing. I wouldnt view you as an authority on what flavor of ice cream to buy, let alone on something significant.

Whining 'I was only kidding' is passive aggressive avoidance. You try to hide behind 'humor' because you cant take the heat from your original statement so you try to pretend 'I didnt really mean it'. You said I was angry. Thats a lie. That makes you a liar. Trying to pretend youre in a position to decide who 'needs help' is more than a little amusing. I wouldnt view you as an authority on what flavor of ice cream to buy, let alone on something significant.
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Get a grip. You are angry, nasty, and mean when you post. That is not a lie. Talking about high blood pressure was. Quite frankly I don't care if you listen to me or not. Don't respond to me then!

"That's a lie. That makes you a liar."

Not necessarily. What makes you a liar is making a statement you know, or have good reason to believe, to be false. One could be honestly misinformed/mistaken/misled,...you know, like the women misled by coathanger waving proaborts into believing that legal abortions would be safe abortions. Like these women, who all died from their "safe & legal" induced abortions (Deaths dated prior to Roe v. Wade were from abortions done in states where it was already legal):

Diane Adams, 28, died 1992

Eurice Agbagaa, 26, died 1989

Leigh Ann Alford, 34, died 2003

Demitrice Andews, 22, died 1988

Mickey Apodaca, 28, died 1984

Gloria Aponte, 20, died 1986

Charisse Ards, 20, died 1989

Barbara Auerbach, 38, died 1981

KB, age 19, died 1988

Jacqueline Bailey, 29, died 1977

Brenda Banks, 35, died 1989

Myrta Baptiste, 26, died 1989

Lisa Bardsley, 26, died 1995

Junette Barnes, 27, died 1988

Deanna Bell, 13, died 1992

Brenda Benton, 35, died 1987

Rosario Bermeo, 30, died 1983

Janet Blaum, 37, died 1974

Cassandra Bleavins, 20, died 1971

Linda Boom, 35, died 1995

Diane Boyd, 19, died 1981

Mary Bradley, 41, died 1985

Dorothy Brown, 37, died 1974

Chanelle Bryant, 22, died 2004

Dorothy Bryant, 22, died 1986

Belinda Byrd, 37, died 1987

Janeth Caldwell, 36, died 1987

Geneva Calton, 21, died 1979

Joan Camp, 22, died 1985

Marla Cardamone, 18, died 1989

Teresa Causey, 17, died 1988

Claudia Caventou, 33, died 1988

Patricia Chacon, 16, died 1984

Colleen Chambers, 34, died 1984

Sandra Chmiel, 35, died 1975

Gwendolyn Cliett, 29, died 1980

Margaret Clodfelter, 19, died 1980

Pamela Colson, 31, died 1994

Geneva Colton, 21, died 1979

Andrea Corey, 31, died 1993

Liliana Cortez, 22, died 1986

Edith Cote, 38, died 1991

Sheryl Cottone, 23, died 1981

Twila Coulter, 21, died 1972

Carol Cunningham, 21, died 1986

Betty Damato, 26, died 1980

Mary Ann Dancy, 32, died 1990

Angel Dardie, 22, died 1982

Barbaralee Davis, 18, died 1977

Glenda Davis, 31, died 1989

Kathy Davis, 26, died 1987

Margaret Davis, 33, died 1971

Sharon Davis, 17, died 1983

Marina DeChapel, 34, died 1978

Arlin dela Cruz, age 19, died 1992

Synthia Dennard, 24, died 1989

Alerte Desanges, 36, died 1994

Barbara Dillon, 22, died 1981

Jane Doe of Newark, 20, died 1993

Laniece Dorsey, 17, died 1986

Tamika Dowdy, 22, died 1998

Gwendolyn Drummer, 15, died 1972

Duarte, Anjelica, 21, died 1991

Evelyn Dudley, 38, died 1973

Sherry Emry, 26, died 1978

Georgianna English, 32, died 1980

Maureen Espinoza, 16, died 1997

Gladyss Estanlisao, 28, died 1989

Erna Fisher, 18, died 1988

Bonnie Fix, 38, died 1974

Sharon Floyd, 18, died 1975

Linda Fondren, 21, died 1974

Janet Forster, 18, died 1971

Cristella Forte, 16, died 1986

Glenna Jean Fox, 17, died 1989

Jammie Garcia, 14, died 1994

Josefina Garcia, died 1985

Marie Gibson, 34, died 1980

Christen Gilbert, 19, died 2005

Kathleen Gilbert, 29, died 1985

Christina Goesswein, 19, died 1990

Gaylene Golden, 21, died 1985

Maria Gomez, 39, died 1976

Edrica Goode, 21, died 2007

Shary Graham, 34, died 1982

Doris Grant, 32, died 1971

Debra Gray, 34, died 1989

Laura Grunas, 30, died 2006

Carolina Gutierrez, 21, died 1996

Angela Hall, 27, died 1991

Sharon Hamplton, 27, died 1996

Arneta Hardaway, 18, died 1985

Gracalynn "Tammy" Harris, 19, died 1997

Wilma Harris, 17, died 1974

L'Echelle Head, 21, died 2000

Sheila Hebert, 27, died 1984

Donna Heim, 20, died 1986

Lou Ann Herron, 33, died 1998

Moris Helen Herron, 26, died 1983

Rhonda Hess, 20, died 1982

Betty Hines, 21, died 1971

Shirley Hollis, 30, died 1991

Denise Holmes, 24, died 1970

Barbara Hoppert, 16, died 1983

Mary Ives, 28, died 1983

Karretu Jabbie, 24, died 1989

Louchrisser Jackson, 23, died 1977

Sandra Kaiser, 14, died 1984

Patricia King, 24, died 1987

Giselene Lafontant, 25, died 1993

Minnie Lathan, 41, died 1978

Barbara Lerner, 30, died 1981

Susan Levy, 30, died 1992

Cora Lewis, 23, died 1992

Sara Lint, 22, died 1970

Maria Lira, 19, ded 1974

Suzanne Logan, 34, died 1992

Diana Lopez, 25, died 2002

Linda Lovelace, 21, died 1980

Elva Lozada, died 1964

Deborah Lozinski, 17, died 1985

Dawn Mack, 21, died 1991

Michelle Madden, 18, died 1986

Sharon Margrove, 25, died 1970

Haley Mason, 22, died 2001

Gail Mazo, 27, died 1979

Sophie McCoy, 17, died 1990

Rita McDowell, 16, died 1975

Myria McFadden, 28, died 1987

Evangeline McKenna, 38, died 1974

Kathy McKnight, 36, died 1993

Kendra McLeod, 22, died 1998

Lynn McNair, 24, died 1979

Dawn Mendoza, 28, died 1988

Yvonne Mesteth, 18, died 1985

Natalie Meyers, 16, died 1972

Sandra Milton, 23, died 1990

Mitsue Mohar, 31, died 1975

Ruth Montero, 23, died 1979

Denise Montoya, 15, died 1988

Beverly Moore, 15, died 1975

Sylvia Moore, 18, died 1986

Christine Mora, 18, died 1994

Maura Morales, 25, died 1981

Shelby Moran, 60, died 1999

Katherine Morse, 20, died 1970

Kelly Morse, 32, died 1992

Loretta Morton, 16, died 1984

Kathy Murphy, 17, died 1973

Dorothy Muzorewa, 25, died 1974

Guadalupe Negron, 33, died 1993

Kimberly Neil, died 2000

Germaine Newman, 14, died 1984

Sara Niebel, 15, died 1994

Maria Ortega, 23, died 1970

Joyce Ortenzio, 32, died 1988

Venus Ortiz, 29, died 1998

Linda Padfield, 28, died 1973

Mary Ann Page, 36, died 1977

Mary Paredez, 26, died 1977

Holly Patterson, 18, died 2003

Shirley Payne, 33, died 1983

Mary Pena, 43, died 1984

DaNette Pergusson, 19, died 1992

Erika Peterson, 28, died 1961

Katherine Pierce, 27, died 1989

Katrina Poole, 16, died 1988

Yvette Poteat, 26, died 1985

Vanessa Preston, 22, died 1980

Dawn Ravenell, 13, died 1985

Jacqueline Reynolds, 22, died 1986

Erica Richardson, 16, died 1989

Luz Rodriguez, 40, died 1986

Magdalena Rodriguez, 23, died 1994

Rosael Rodriguez, 21, died 1986

Adelle Roe, age 26, died 2002

Amanda Roe, 19, died 1970

Alice Roe, 31, died 1970

Amy Roe, 35, died 1971

Annie Roe, 29, died 1971

Andrea Roe, 26, died 1971

Anita Roe, 23, died 1971

April Roe, 17, died 1971

Audrey Roe, 44, died 1971

Barbara Roe, 35, died 1971

Becky Roe, 18, died 1971

Beth Roe, 35, died 1971

Betty Roe, 29, died 1974

Beverly Roe, 21, died 1978

Brenda Roe, 31, died 1974

Cherish Roe, died 2005

Christi Roe, 29, died 1972

Cindy Roe, 25, died 1972

Colleen Roe, 31, died 1972

Connie Roe, 31, died 1972

Danielle Roe, 18, died 1972

Dawn Roe, 29, died 1972

Denise Roe, 27, died 1977

Donna Roe, 18, died 1973

Dorothy Roe, 44, died 1973

Eleanor Roe, 20, died 1973

Ellen Roe #1, 22, died 1974

Ellen Roe #2, 18, died 1983

Erica Roe, 20, died 1974

Faith Roe, 21, died 1974

Faye Roe, 18, died 1979

Gail Roe, 23, died 1975

Gloria Roe, 35, died 1976

Isabel Roe, died 1981

Judy Roe, 42, died 1970

Julie Roe, 14, died 1972

Kimberly Roe, 25, died 1970

Lori Roe, 17, died 1970

Malorie Roe, 35, died 1974

Mary Roe, 19, died 1971

Melissa Roe, 27, died 1992

Molly Roe, 21, died 1975

Monica Roe, 31, died 1971

Nadine Roe, 32, died 1978

Nancy Roe, 16, died 1972

Pamela Roe, 38, died 1974

Patricia Roe, 16, died 1975

Robin Roe, 21, died 1972

Roseanne Roe, 37, died 1971

Roxanne Roe, 17, died 1972

Sandra Roe, 18, died 1971

Sara Roe, 22, died 1972

Serena Roe, 22, died 1980

Sherri Roe, 20, died 1975

Sheryl Roe, 23, died 1970

Susan Roe, 21, died 1992

Tammy Roe, 33, died 1971

Tara Roe, died 2005

Teresa Roe, 19, died 1974

Terri Roe, 43, died 1991

Vanessa Roe, 35, died 1973

Vicki Roe, 23, died 1971

Wanda Roe, died 2006

Wendy Roe, 23, died 1972

Yvonne Roe, 19, died 1999

Julia Rogers, 20, died 1973

Rhonda Rollinson, 32, died 1992

Allegra Roseberry, 41, died 1988

Sharonda Rowe, 17, died 1981

Rhonda Ruggiero, 29, died 1982

Stacy Ruckman, 23, died 1988

LaSandra Russ, 20, died 1971

Tamia Russell, 15, doed 2004

F.S., 16, died 1970

Stella Saenz, 42, died 1968

Angela Sanchez, 27, died 1993

Angela Satterfield, 23, died 1990

Carole Schaner, 37, died 1971

Angela Scott, 19, died 1979

Oriene Shevin, 34, died 2005

Gloria Small, 43, died 1978

Deloris Smith, 15, died 1979

Diane Smith, 23, died 1976

Laura Hope Smith, 22, died 2007

Margaret Smith, 24, died 1971

Teresa Smith, 31, died 1988

Laura Sorrels, 30, died 1988

Kathryn Strong, 26, died 1972

Jennifer Suddeth, 17, died 1982

Tami Suematsu, 19, died 1988

Yvonne Tanner, 22, died 1984

Michelle Thames, 18, died 1987

Ingrid Thomas, 28, died 1994

Magnolia Thomas, 36, died 1986

Hoa Thuy "Vivian" Tran, 22, died 2003

Elizabeth Tsuji, 21, died 1978

Cheryl Tubbs, 29, died 1975

Iris Valazquez, 20, died 1987

Cycloria Vangates, 32, died 1976

Veal, Latachie, 17, died 1991

Brenda Vise, 38, died 2002

Cheryl Vosseler, 17, died 1969

Gail Vroman, 20, died 1979

Pamela Wainwright, 37, died 1987

Lynette Wallace, 22, died 1975

Debra Walton, 35, died 1989

Nicey Washington, 26, died 2000

Sheila Watley, 31, died 1987

Diane Watson, 27, died 1987

Ingar Weber, 28, died 1991

Robin Wells, 27, died 1981

Chivon Williams, died 1996

Ellen Williams, 38, died 1985

Nichole Williams, 22, died 1997

Sandra Williams, 30, died 1984

Shirley Williams, 30, died 1980

Tanya Williamson, 28, died 1996

Carole Wingo, 22, died 1974

Virginia Wolfe, 33, died 1998

Darlene Wood, 23, died 1982

Gail Wright, 29, died 1986

Stacy Zallie, 20, died 2002

Apparently the coathangers waved by proaborts in advocacy of legal abortion have probably killed more women than coathangers used in self-induced abortion attempts. Again, the bitter irony...

jtm -

Where did you find this list?

JTM, nobody told you that zero women died from having abortions. Of course, many more women die from continuing pregnancies and giving birth, both in raw numbers and as a percentage.

Any objection to abortion on the basis of "risk to the woman" can only logically be an even greater condemnation of giving birth.