I called Lila Rose, The Advocate's leader, who explained, "We handed copies of our winter issue directly to the vice chancellor and other officials under the chancellor's office. My suspicion is they contacted YouTube because our video reflected very poorly on them."

Interesting, isn't it, how birth control inevitably leads to damage control?

"We handed copies of our winter issue directly to the vice chancellor and other officials under the chancellor's office.

God bless them & their courage!!!

It showed UCLA "health center" faculty enabling a planned boat orgy by stocking a student with enough condoms to raise the craft if it were sinking.

Jill,
between that and the title for this piece, you are one, clever gal! LOL!

I don't have a problem with condoms. I don't usually use them, since I'm on birth control and in a monogamous relationship and we have both been tested by our doctors for STD's, STI's, and HIV and were both negative (except for the mild case of HPV my doctor found in my last pap smear). I did accept some novelty protection from my college just for a little kick next time I go home. I trying to keep this post from getting inappropriate. It was glow in the dark.

Funny thing Jess is that you don't seem to see how you as a woman are once again bearing the brunt of the sexual revolution.
Your "partner" is free of any problems (so it seems) but you have a "mild case of HPV" whatever that means.
How lovely. I'm glad you can be so forgiving and ambivalent about it all.
Your post is not inappropriate, just a sad example of how much the sexual revolution has negatively impacted women's health and made them like men.

No we both have that mild form of HPV. It doesn't have any outward symptoms though, the only reason she found anything was abnormal cells on my pap smear. She said it was just three little lesions that would clear up in a few months but could reappear if my immune system gets low. It doesn't hurt or anything and doesn't effect my fertility, so I consider myself lucky considering how many other, worse things could happen to me (with or without ever having sex).

"has negatively impacted women's health and made them like men."

Are you saying men are unhealthy? One good thing about the sexual revolution is that I find it is more acceptable to talk about sex and a persons sexual history. Also communicate that I, as a woman have needs that go beyond emotional. Even if it's just holding hands, I desire physical contact with my partner. For example.

except for the mild case of HPV my doctor found in my last pap smear

Oh you mean the mild HPV that can cause genital warts? Or cervical CANCER?

Oh...and you don't just get warts in the genital area either...they can come orally as well. Better let your bf know that..and why you would allow him to be exposed to HPV I'm not really sure. Cause if you guys break up and he has unprotected sex with someone..he gives them the HPV too.

No we both have that mild form of HPV.

So your bf gave you an STD? That's like the gift that keeps on giving.

It doesn't hurt or anything and doesn't effect my fertility, so I consider myself lucky

It doesn't hurt except when they have to get the warts burned off your genitals.

And it won't affect your fertility until it possibly turns into cancer and you may have to have a hysterectomy.

Wake up.

"So your bf gave you an STD? That's like the gift that keeps on giving."

or she gave it to him.

My gynocologyst said it was safe to have sex, and that probably 95% of sexually active people have the strain of HPV I have. There are many different strains.

"and why you would allow him to be exposed to HPV I'm not really sure."

I don't think I exposed him to it, we don't know who gave it to who, but we have had several long talks about it, how we feel about it and how it affects the relationship. Since it won't effect my fertility and I have always gotten regular pap smears and I always plan to so I think we're doing fine.

It doesn't hurt except when they have to get the warts burned off your genitals.

And it won't affect your fertility until it possibly turns into cancer and you may have to have a hysterectomy.
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It doesn't cause external warts and it isn't the kind that causes cervical cancer. I'm not stupid. Yes we weren't each others first but we're together now and we're working on improving our relationship day by day.

Jess,

Like I've said..it may not affect your fertility RIGHT NOW..but let's say it turns into cervical cancer and you have to have a hysterectomy..THAT certainly would.

Jess, as per my 4:30 post I think we posted at the same time so I didn't see your post about it not being the kind that causes cervical cancer.

How exactly do they know that it isn't one of those strains? I mean I know they can tell the more likely ones but I would imagine it would be hard to tell since there are about 84 different strands out there.

Well, now I know I have to keep on top of getting regular pap smears so we can catch anything before it turns that bad. My gyno said even if in the future they did find cancer then would be able to remove it from my cervix without affecting my fertility. I know a woman who had that done and she had a baby five years later. Also I know people who are virgins who have had cervical cancer and abnormal pap smears.

When they did the biopsy they said there could be cancer underneath the lesions but the HPV itself didn't cause cancer. I am currently getting the vaccine for the four types of HPV that causes most cervical cancer. When they did the biopsy they confirmed it wasn't that type. But anyone can get cervical cancer anyway, that's why it's important to get regular pap smears.

It doesn't hurt except when they have to get the warts burned off your genitals.

And it won't affect your fertility until it possibly turns into cancer and you may have to have a hysterectomy.

Wake up.

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 28, 2008 4:24 PM
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You're in NURSING SCHOOL!? Really?

I am currently getting the vaccine for the four types of HPV that causes most cervical cancer.

After I had myself vaccinated, my pap smears went back to being normal. :) I had my first normal pap smear in almost 3 years this past October. :))))))))

So your bf gave you an STD? That's like the gift that keeps on giving.

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 28, 2008 4:22 PM
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Like the one your boyfriend gave you?

You're in NURSING SCHOOL!? Really?

3 more science classes and I will be. Although my school does it on a lottery system so I may have to wait an extra semester.

What's your point FF?

Like the one your boyfriend gave you?

Yup. But I'm not with him anymore.

"After I had myself vaccinated, my pap smears went back to being normal. :) I had my first normal pap smear in almost 3 years this past October. :))))))))"

Why what was wrong?

Like the one your boyfriend gave you?
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HPV vs. Baby
One day I hope to have both : )

My daughter's father gave me HPV too...we found out after I was preggo that I had it. That was when my first abnormal pap was...and this past October they went back to being normal. I am not sure if that means the HPV has worked its way out of my system, but I keep on top of it anyway.

It's been determined that chronic HPV infections are the ones that cause cervical cancer. In other words, it the low level infection that apparently some women have all the time that is the problem. I read this recently online and that this makes the HPV vaccine useless. It's not so much the virus as the fact that some women can't get rid of the darn thing.

That's interesting Patricia.

I haven't read the latest info. on HPV, I just know what my doctor has told me about it and what I've read on the internet about it in the past.

Well, guys, I have to go to my biology lab now...I'll respond to anything later!

Elizabeth,
I'll try to find the article. I've been trying for about 10 minutes but I read it recently (in the last 5 months or so) and it was surprising to me.
God bless,

You're in NURSING SCHOOL!? Really?

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 28, 2008 4:43 PM

RFF,
Get bit by a rabid dog again?

You're in NURSING SCHOOL!? Really?

3 more science classes and I will be. Although my school does it on a lottery system so I may have to wait an extra semester.

What's your point FF?

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 28, 2008 4:47 PM
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The point would be that cervical cancer is easily treated if a woman has her regular exams detecting the cancer before it has invaded enough tissue to warrant a hysterectomy. But heaven forbid any woman get her gyn healthcare at PP. Better she die. @@

You're in NURSING SCHOOL!? Really?

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 28, 2008 4:43 PM

RFF,
Get bit by a rabid dog again?

Posted by: Sandy at February 28, 2008 5:09 PM
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Someone leave you off your leash again? : )

Someone leave you off your leash again? : )

Posted by: Sally at February 28, 2008 5:17 PM

Sally,
Don't quit your day job. Whatever that maybe.

" I am not sure if that means the HPV has worked its way out of my system, but I keep on top of it anyway."

HPV stays in your system forever. It's like a cold sore you get on your mouth, the virus stays in your system and you only see the sore when you have a lowered immune system. So as long as you eat right, get enough rest generally take care of yourself and it should go away and stay away for awhile, just like a cold sore.

Don't quit your day job. Whatever that maybe.
Posted by: Sandy at February 28, 2008 6:08 PM
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Sandy,
You are outstanding in your field. And that's where you should be. Out standing in your field. Isn't this fun? Wanna play paper dolls now?

HPV stays in your system forever. It's like a cold sore you get on your mouth, the virus stays in your system and you only see the sore when you have a lowered immune system. So as long as you eat right, get enough rest generally take care of yourself and it should go away and stay away for awhile, just like a cold sore.
Posted by: Jess at February 28, 2008 6:11 PM
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Are you sure about this? I was sure that I read that HPV can be cleared.

No it's a virus. Viruses, like HIV, can never be cured.

"Sandy,
You are outstanding in your field. And that's where you should be. Out standing in your field. Isn't this fun? Wanna play paper dolls now?"

YOMANK!!!! I just spit my brains out of my nose, lol.

Sally: I miss paper dolls. They were so much fun.

I thought they said the HPV vaccine could only be given to girls BEFORE they became sexually active. That's why there was a big push to make it mandatory awhile back for (I think) 13 yr. olds.

As far as I've heard HPV has upwards of 90 strains and all of them can potentially cause cancer.

No it's recommended BEFORE because it takes a while and the shots are within a few months of each other. Anyone can get the vaccine though.

Totally Off-Topic:

This is just the kind of crap that made Mainstream America learn to HATE animal rights activists, and is the same sort of thing that's causing them to back away from pro-life activists. Showing up at someone's home makes you a designated cretin and can only make your cause look like a parade of freaks:

FBI joins investigation into attack on Santa Cruz researcher

Thursday, February 28, 2008

The FBI is investigating possible links between animal-rights activists in Southern California and a weekend attack on the home of a University of California, Santa Cruz researcher.

Patti Hanson, an FBI spokeswoman, said the bureau was looking into possible connections to "domestic terrorism."

A demonstration by six masked protesters in front of the UCSC scientist's Westside home Sunday afternoon turned violent when the group pounded on the door and were confronted by the researcher's husband, police reported.

The incident invited comparison to recent attacks on UCLA researchers that were linked to animal-rights groups.

No one has claimed responsibility for the Santa Cruz attack, and police have made no arrests nor confirmed the Sunday incident was connected to any animal-rights organization.

"We're still trying to identify the people and what the motive is," Santa Cruz police Lt. Rudy Escalante said.

Escalante said the UCSC researcher's husband heard yelling in the front yard, looked out the front door window and saw protesters early Sunday afternoon. At the time, the family was having a birthday party for one of their children.

"By that time he hears pounding," Escalante said. The man returned to the front door, locked the dead bolt, checked on the kids and went back to the door. "He can see the (door) frame moving."

At some point, someone from the home dialed 911 but didn't speak.

"It was an open line with some sort of disturbance," Escalante said. "There was a woman screaming in the background and children crying."

Police were dispatched to the address associated with the phone number. Meanwhile, the man opened the front door and confronted the protesters.

He was hit on the hand once or twice by an unknown object, and fought back throwing a punch or two, according to police.

Eventually, the group of six ran to a car parked around the corner and drove away.

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Information from: Santa Cruz Sentinel, www.santacruzsentinel.com

hello

hey all, we had a victory in Ohio. Well, sort of. Former police officer Bobby Cutts Jr. was charged with two murders. His pregnant wife and his unborn child..."baby Chloe"..yes!! NOT 1, but 2 murders!! He was slammed with 57 years!! HA!

Sally: I miss paper dolls. They were so much fun.

Posted by: Carrie at February 28, 2008 6:35 PM
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I agree! I have some vintage 60's paper dolls stashed in Grandma's hope chest. I bet no one remembers Dorothy Provost.

Information from: Santa Cruz Sentinel, www.santacruzsentinel.com

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 28, 2008 7:32 PM
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I guess there are fanatics of all stripes. Clearly becoming fixated upon one issue can make some loose their grip on the big picture.

hey all, we had a victory in Ohio. Well, sort of. Former police officer Bobby Cutts Jr. was charged with two murders. His pregnant wife and his unborn child..."baby Chloe"..yes!! NOT 1, but 2 murders!! He was slammed with 57 years!! HA!

Posted by: heather at February 28, 2008 8:15 PM
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I guess it's a real big victory if a man is convicted of murdering his wife. Why you feel that the woman needs to be pregnant when murdered for there to be such a conviction is very odd. Or telling. You don't care about murdered women.

I meant that they are finally realizing that an unborn child IS a human being. That one is for all of you e/z/f fans.

BTW, I feel bad for both of the murder victims. I'm glad my state recognized it as such.

Bobby Cutts Jr. receives life in prison for Jessie Davis' murder
Jury rejects death penalty following 'long and grueling process' Thursday, February 28, 2008James Ewinger, April McClellan-Copeland and Patrick O'DonnellPlain Dealer Reporters
Canton- Jurors didn't really buy Bobby Cutts Jr.'s story about how he accidentally killed Jessie Davis last summer.

But they were quick to decide he should not die for the crime, said juror Charles Patrick Gillespie of Canton.

"His testimony seemed awfully calculated to give a reason for everything that might be damaging to him," said Gillespie, one of the few jurors who agreed to talk after Wednesday's sentencing. And once prosecutors questioned Cutts at trial, Gillespie said, he appeared shocked, thrown off and even less convincing.

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"It was like he was a different character in the second half," he said.

The six-man, six-woman jury spared Cutts' life Wednesday afternoon.

A Stark County judge then sentenced Cutts to life in prison with no chance of parole for 57 years. Cutts would be 87.

Common Pleas Judge Charles E. Brown Jr. gave him 30 years to life for the death of Davis' unborn daughter, Chloe. The jury had other options: a death sentence, life without parole, or life with possible release after 25 years.

The same jury convicted Cutts earlier this month of the aggravated murder of Chloe, the murder of Davis and other related charges. Jurors spent 11 hours this week deliberating the sentence. It was a task they didn't take lightly.

"It was a long and grueling process," juror Andrew Walters of Louisville said in a phone interview. "It wasn't easy."

Gillespie said there were tears at times as the jurors deliberated the senten

Why was he only sentenced for 57 some years? Wouldn't every other cut and dry murderer get life or something similar?

"Also I know people who are virgins who have had cervical cancer and abnormal pap smears."

This is virtually impossible, unless these "virgins" have had genital skin-to-skin contact without actual intercourse. It has been proven that essentially all cervical cancer cases are caused by high-risk genital HPV, and genital HPV is an STD.

Or, are you saying that they were virgins, but now they are with one partner. If this is the case, then the partner had been sexually active prior to being with the virgin and given it to her.

It is virtually impossible for a woman to get genital HPV and therefore cervical cancer if she has remained a virgin and she marries a man who is a virgin. This is why abstinence (for both parties) is the only 100% way to prevent this disease.

The bottom line is you can't get an STD if you have not been sexually active.

Ellie not the case for genital herpes. Can be spread via self-inoculation.

"As far as I've heard HPV has upwards of 90 strains and all of them can potentially cause cancer."

This is not so. There are around 100 strains. Most are NOT sexually transmitted and are harmless (warts on hands and feet), BUT about 40 are sexually transmitted and these are different. Out of those 40, about 14 are high-risk (cancer causing), and the rest are low-risk (genital warts).

My understanding is the low-risk (warts) will show visible signs, but the high-risk (cancer) don't, but if they persist, will eventually show up on a pap.

The vaccine targets two high-risk strains that cause 70% of cancer and two low-risk strains that cause 90% of genital warts.

"Can be spread via self-inoculation."

Sorry for the ignorance, please explain.

http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/40001766/

The basic idea is that it can be spread mouth-to-genitals. So you can get it if you received oral sex from someone with a sore on their mouth but similarly you can give yourself genital herpes if you have a sore, touch it, and then touch your genitals.

Jess,

I'm pretty sure my doctor said that it can work its way out of one's system. I don't quite remember, though..I will have to ask him at my next pap smear. At any rate, I'm glad my pap smears went back to normal after being abnormal for almost 3 years. I think it's a step in the right direction. :)

Over 90% of adults have been exposed to HIV-1, I think.

LOL not HIV-1. HSV-1

The basic idea is that it can be spread mouth-to-genitals. So you can get it if you received oral sex from someone with a sore on their mouth but similarly you can give yourself genital herpes if you have a sore, touch it, and then touch your genitals.

So wait..you can get genital herpes if you have a cold sore on your mouth and touch it and then touch your genitals?

Good job Elizabeth!

Yes, but it will be an HSV-1 genital herpes infection, rather than an HSV-2.

hmmm...find out something new everyday..that is very interesting.

And thank you...I guess all those pep talks I give myself before my pap smears helped. :)

aw....my test in exercise phys did not turn out well :(

But I got a 95 on my evolution test. Would you say that makes it up?

lol Elizabeth it's cool, almost scares me how well versed I am at gynecology sometimes, and I"m a virgin.

ummm definitely! I got an 88% on my first biology test..well the scantron portion..the essay portion is still up in the air..but I'm sure I killed it lol. woo hooo!

lol Elizabeth it's cool, almost scares me how well versed I am at gynecology sometimes, and I"m a virgin.

Haha well you have the time to be well versed in it since you're not wasting your time with it! Which IMO is a GREAT THING!

PIP: "....but similarly you can give yourself genital herpes if you have a sore, touch it, and then touch your genitals."

Thanks for the explanation. I would still maintain that you can't get an STD if you are not sexually active. This scenario would have to be an extremely rare exception.

Too late to think about it now though, I'll have to look into this some other time....

Thanks :)

I'm so sad about that test though. It was my first bad grade of the year. I was hoping I did a little better. Apparently a lot of people did better, because he didn't even curve it. Ugh. I just want to give up in that class. I won't have a chance at getting straight As this semester, now.

awww pip, don't give up. I will say a prayer to help you do better OR that your teacher starts grading on a curve lol.

On a side note, I have to hand in this self-concept speech outline tomorrow and for the speech we have to bring in 3 items that show what makes us who we are. Well...I've got a picture of my baby of course..I've got my first pointe (ballet) shoes..and the third one my mom suggested I wear a pro-life tshirt or something and explain how I got involved because I believe passionately about the cause..and because I myself faced an unplanned pregnancy. Does it sound like a good idea or no? I am not sure if I want to put myself out there like that..so any thoughts would seriously help since I'm writing the outline ummm NOW. lol.

speaking of HIV, anyone hear about htis?

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/health/2008/02/28/dnt.patients.exposed.to.hiv.kvvu?iref=videosearch

Yeah that's a great idea!

Yeah. I think it might have been a mistake. I'm not necessarily a biochemistry person, you could say.

Ok good I was just feeling a little apprehensive about it, but I think I will do it!

good!

@PiP: Biochemistry sucks. *feels your pain*

Thanks, ari-chan

*feels it all too much and needs more morphine*

"LOL not HIV-1. HSV-1"

Yeah you kinda worried me there : ) I have always had the worst cold sores since I was a little girl.

"But I got a 95 on my evolution test. Would you say that makes it up?"

I'd say you have suffered brain damage just from taking the class.

Sally,

I agree! I have some vintage 60's paper dolls stashed in Grandma's hope chest. I bet no one remembers Dorothy Provost.

I don't know what name she worked under, but my cousins husbands mother, Ava Dooley, made paper dolls for I believe Queen Holden...she did some of the Dionne Quintuplet ones...I'll have to ask what name she used.

You can still get them (repros, obviously) from Dover Books.

HPV Virus: Information About Human Papillomavirus
WebMD
http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/hpv-genital-warts/hpv-virus-information-about-human-papillomavirus

HPV virus is common and infects at least 50% of all people who have sex at some time in their lives. Often, people don’t have any symptoms and the HPV infection goes away on its own. Some types of HPV can lead to cervical cancer or cancer of the anus or penis.

Facts About HPV Virus:
HPV stands for human papillomavirus (pronounced pap ah LO mah), but there are actually more than 100 related viruses in this group. Each HPV virus is given a number or type. The term "papilloma" refers to a kind of wart that results from some HPV types.

HPV viruses live in the body's epithelial cells. These are flat and thin cells found on the skin's surface and also on the surface of the vagina, anus, vulva, cervix, penis head, mouth, and throat.

Of the 100 HPV types, about 60 types cause warts on areas such as the hands or feet. The other 40 or so types of HPV are sexually transmitted and are drawn to the body's mucous membranes, such as the moist layers around the anal and genital areas.

How HPV Virus Spreads:
These sexually-transmitted HPV viruses are spread through contact with infected genital skin, mucous membranes, or bodily fluids, and can be passed through intercourse and oral sex. HPV can infect skin not normally covered by a condom, so using a condom does not fully protect you from the virus. Also, many people don’t realize they’re infected with HPV and may have no symptoms, so neither sexual partner may realize that the virus is being spread.

High-Risk HPV, Low-Risk HPV:
Not all of the 40 sexually transmitted HPV viruses cause serious health problems. High-risk HPV viruses include HPV 16 and 18, which cause about 70% of cervical cancers. Other high-risk HPV viruses include 31, 35, 39, 45, 51, 52, 58 and a few others.

Low-risk HPV viruses, such as HPV 6 and 11, cause about 90% of genital warts, which rarely develop into cancer. Genital warts can look like bumps or growths. Sometimes they are shaped like cauliflower. The warts can show up weeks or months after exposure to an infected sexual partner.

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http://yourtotalhealth.ivillage.com/hpv-women.html

Human papillomavirus (HPV) is a common infection that affects skin and mucous membranes. The term HPV refers to a group of viruses. They are called papillomaviruses because certain types may cause warts, or papillomas.

The term HPV actually refers to a group of viruses. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), about 100 types of HPV have been identified, over 30 of which are passed through sexual activity. The type of HPV that infects the genitals is called genital HPV, which is a sexually transmitted disease (STD). The CDC estimates that at least 50 percent of all sexually active people will develop HPV at some time in their lives.

HPV is not genital herpes, another STD. Both are caused by a virus, but HPV can cause genital warts (known as condylomata acuminatum) and herpes can cause blisters or sores. Certain types of HPV may also cause cervical dysplasia (precancerous changes in the cervix). In both cases, the patient may experience no symptoms. There is no cure for either disease, but in most cases of HPV, the body’s immune system fights off the infection, and is able to eradicate the virus from the system. With herpes, the virus lays dormant in the body and can recur.

HPV is the most common sexually transmitted disease in the United States. According to the CDC, approximately 20 million people are infected with HPV. About 6.2 million Americans get a new genital HPV infection each year, but the vast majority of people are unaware of it. The virus typically causes no symptoms or health problems in the majority of cases, according to the National Women’s Health Resource Center.

Some HPV types cause warts in areas such as hands and feet. A few types cause genital warts (single or multiple growths or bumps that appear in the genital area and can be cauliflower shaped). Certain types of genital HPV, known as high-risk HPV, are a major risk factor for cervical cancer. Several studies have suggested that HPV infection plays a role in cancers of the anus, vulva, vagina and penis, as well as some cancers of the oropharynx (the middle part of the throat that includes the soft palate, bases of the tongue and tonsils).

Almost all cases of precancerous changes in the cervix are caused by HPV. An estimated 10,000 cases of invasive cervical cancer will be diagnosed in the United States in 2006, according to the American Cancer Society and nearly 4,000 women will die from the disease. Although most people are exposed to the cell-changing types of HPV at some point in their lives, not everyone will develop abnormal cell changes.

Most women who have had genital warts in the past (but no longer have them) will not experience problems during pregnancy or childbirth. If genital warts develop during pregnancy, they may grow and/or bleed. Genital warts that grow larger during pregnancy can make it difficult for a woman to urinate. Genital warts during pregnancy may require removal by a physician. In addition, warts may very rarely block the birth canal, requiring the physician to perform a Caesarean section to deliver the baby.

In rare instances, a pregnant woman may pass HPV to her baby. As a result, warts may develop in the baby’s throat (laryngeal papillomatosis). This is a potentially life-threatening condition that requires repeated laser surgery to prevent blockage of the breathing passages. Fortunately, this is extremely rare, occurring in only one per 30,000 cases of HPV infected mothers.

It is unknown when a person with HPV can transmit the virus, how long a person with HPV is able to transmit it and why some people exposed to HPV gets warts while others do not.

Mods, got an informative medical post with lots of links. Thxs!

So wait..you can get genital herpes if you have a cold sore on your mouth and touch it and then touch your genitals?

I think it's pretty rare -- like if you touched a cold sore during your first outbreak and then touched your genitals, which would provide genital contact before your body had time to build up antibodies; or if you were immunocompromised. Most people's cold sores are HSV-1, which your body will build antibodies to after the first outbreak (like chicken pox -- you only "get" chicken pox once, but this is because it actually never leaves -- it is always in your body). Once you have antibodies, assuming normal immune system health, you could have sex with someone who has HSV-1 genital herpes and not contract HSV-1 genitally. It is very rare for someone to have the same strain of herpes in two different locations.

What can happen is: you can have sex with (or kiss) someone who has HSV-2 (oral or genital) and contract THAT strand, or you can transmit your HSV-1 herpes to someone else by kissing or having oral sex with them.

Ellie:

Thanks for the explanation. I would still maintain that you can't get an STD if you are not sexually active. This scenario would have to be an extremely rare exception.

How do you think most people get oral herpes? Most get it from a family member or other adult, as children, when someone kisses them.

speaking of HIV, anyone hear about this? (links follows

That'a horrible and they should be shut down. Those are very serious diseases which can lead to life-threatening health problems, they shouldn't of been playing russian roulette with their patient's health.

Shoot, even though we use Universal Precautions were I work, because of the possibility of unexpected exposure to bodily fluids (a client may suddenly throw or smear blood, genital secretions, fecal matter, etc) exposure to HIV and Hepatitis B/C is always a concern on the back of our minds.

Common Pleas Judge Charles E. Brown Jr. gave him 30 years to life for the death of Davis' unborn daughter, Chloe. The jury had other options: a death sentence, life without parole, or life with possible release after 25 years.

*Please note this part*..They are regognizing the unborn child as a person. Trust me. He will never see freedom again. Think about this. A woman who has an abortionist murder her baby has no murder charges to contend with. Why? Where is the justice?

Isn't it Rachael? It's so worrisome, I'm sure this happens at more clinics than this one.

Rachel,

Your links are up!

Heather, it's good to see you again. Thanks for sharing the story about that man in your state!

Bethany, thanks for the welcome!! I sent you an e-mail. I have been without a computer since 1-23. I found it a bit refreshing that we can actually call an unborn child a CHILD.

I live about 40 minutes from Canton, so I just saw this man sentenced on TV a few days ago. Never once was there any dispute over the unborn child being a person. The judge added this "Mr. Cutts, you have taken 2 innocent lives." "As long as I'm on this bench, you will never see freedom again." SLAM!

Bethany, thanks for the welcome!! I sent you an e-mail. I have been without a computer since 1-23. I found it a bit refreshing that we can actually call an unborn child a CHILD.

Heather, can you try resending the email? Idon't think I got it. My email address is up on the sidebar. :)

. The judge added this "Mr. Cutts, you have taken 2 innocent lives." "As long as I'm on this bench, you will never see freedom again." SLAM!

Now THERE is a judge I can respect!

Bethany, I agree, and I will resend.

Heather,

I am so glad you are back..I have missed your witty comments on here!

Alright! I was wondering where you had gone, Heather. Nice to see you back.

Hip-hip-hooray!!!!

HEATHER'S BACK!!!!

Thanks guys! I hope you are all doing well!

Better now that you're back!

:)

;} *this is a wink*

Hey, how was the March For Life. I saw that all of you gals went. I watched for you on TV. Sorry I couldn't be there. How was the turn out??

A wink of wit! LOL!

HEATHER'S BACK!!!!

Posted by: JLM at February 29, 2008 10:45 AM
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OK, who said "Beetlejuice?"

I know you missed me, FF. Your mystical powers drew me back.

FF, did you catch the footage about the abused cattle? Any thoughts?

"Now THERE is a judge I can respect!"

Hear hear!

I know that some of our local news anchors couldn't stomach watching that. I couldn't look either. No wonder the media really doesn't like to discuss abortion. WAY too unpleasant.

PIP, I second that!

Thanks for the info Rachel!

Is SOMG still around?

HHMMMM, I see that you guys have already seen the cow slaughter. I missed it. FF, what happened to you?

Hi Heather!

How's my girl doing? LOL...

hi jasper. Did you get my e-mail?

Heather,
Oh, not yet. I'm at work.....

Posted previously, that is to say - not at this time but at a time prior to this: ;} *this is a wink*

Oh yes, that was by Heather.

I think this is the deal:

; )

That's a bold move, Doug.

Is SOMG still around?

Not since Hillary started taking a nosedive....

JLM: That's a bold move, Doug.

One does what one can, Holmes.

; )

Not a problem, Jess! Just thought I'd clear up a few questions and misconceptions. :-)

JLM, Oh she is SOOOOO nosediving! Somg, I thought you said she'd be signing FOCA soon. Bad call.

"JLM, Oh she is SOOOOO nosediving! Somg, I thought you said she'd be signing FOCA soon. Bad call."

So, Obama will sign it instead.

Hal, no guarentees there. I know a heck of a lot of people who are not voting for him. We'll see.