According to the TimesOnline March 16:

Women may be at risk of mental health breakdowns if they have abortions, a medical royal college has warned. The Royal College of Psychiatrists says women should not be allowed to have an abortion until they are counselled on the possible risk to their mental health.

This overturns the consensus that has stood for decades that the risk to mental health of continuing with an unwanted pregnancy outweighs the risks of living with the possible regrets of having an abortion....

The Royal College of Psychiatrists recommends updating abortion information leaflets to include details of the risks of depression. "Consent cannot be informed without the provision of adequate and appropriate information," it says.

Several studies, including research published in the Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry in 2006, concluded that abortion in young women might be associated with risks of mental health problems.

This report is problematic for other side. Guttmacher used RCPsych's old report to substantiate its claims that abortion does not negatively impact a mother's mental health.

Will Guttmacher amend its study? I'll answer that. No. It will either quietly delete reference to the outdated RCPsych report or ignore the new one.

But that was just an aside. Earlier ths year the Los Angeles Times attributed a remarkable statement to the president of the American Psychiatric Association, Nada Stotland:

It may be, she said, that women who have abortions are more emotionally unstable in the first place.

Stotland, a lesbian feminist and member of the Physicians for Reproductive Choice and Health, was trying to make the case that any mother demonstrating mental health problems following abortions had them all the time. She was nuts to begin with.

Nada should then agree pregnant mothers be informed of the mental health risks. Stotland should actually encourage mental health sceening, no?

[HT: readers Laura Loo, seaof7, and Lisa J.]

unless pregnancy itself is a new psychiatric depression disorder calling for some costly meds. Never mind the suicide, and homicide ideation that accompanies many of these meds as side-effects: http://www.naturalnews.com/022853.html

John

This is a tough one. I tend to agree that a lot of post abortive women are emotionally unstable to a degree. However, some people are emotionally unstable for plenty of other reasons. I definitely don't think that abortion helps matters. I believe that an abortion is an assalt on a woman's mind, body, and soul.

That's why it's so good to see 'Abortion healing groups' advertised in the phone book:]

Sadly, the conclusion they drew is to move the time during
which abortions may be done to earlier in the pregnancy - which
is completely arbitrary.

That is the result of a culture that has denied that life is
a sacred gift from God.

The only solution to the mental illness, resulting from killing
our posterity, is to legally protect all innocent life, from the
moment of fertilization.

Personhood Now !!

One more point. Here's where the poor women get confused. The PC side says that there is nothing to grieve about. Be stoic. You chose this. The pro life side wants to help women, but the PC side warns that we are the enemy. Talk about confusion to add to the woman's despair.

It would be a good thing to counsel mother about the insanity of choosing abortion.

Hear this, all you peoples! Give ear, all who inhabit the world,
You of lowly birth or high estate, rich and poor alike.
My mouth shall speak wisdom, my heart shall offer insight.
I will turn my attention to a problem, expound my question to the music of a lyre.
Why should I fear in evil days, when my wicked pursuers ring me round,
Those who trust in their wealth and boast of their abundant riches?
One cannot redeem oneself, pay to God a ransom.
Too high the price to redeem a life; one would never have enough
To stay alive forever and never see the pit.
Anyone can see that the wisest die, the fool and the senseless pass away too, and must leave their wealth to others.
Tombs are their homes forever, their dwellings through all generations, though they gave their names to their lands.
For all their riches mortals do not abide; they perish like the beasts.
This is the destiny of those who trust in folly, the end of those so pleased with their wealth. Selah
Like sheep they are herded into Sheol, where death will be their shepherd. Straight to the grave they descend, where their form will waste away, Sheol will be their palace.
But God will redeem my life, will take me from the power of Sheol. Selah
Do not fear when others become rich, when the wealth of their houses grows great.
When they die they will take nothing with them, their wealth will not follow them down.
When living, they congratulate themselves and say: "All praise you, you do so well."
But they will join the company of their forebears, never again to see the light.
For all their riches, if mortals do not have wisdom, they perish like the beasts.

above post was Psalm 49

For the sake of argument, let's just say they're right; that mothers who seek abortion are already a little "off" to begin with.

What does that say about the act of abortion?

Talk about insulting your "client base"...

But, I do find it encouraging that more and more mainstream groups and media are getting on board and giving credence to PASS by publicizing that there is even a debate going on. At least it's getting the general public thinking and talking about this apparently widespread problem.

This is HUGE!

Most of these studies are released by biased organizations which make it easier for mainstream to ignore the facts.

"The Royal College of Psychiatrists is the main organization in the UK and Republic of Ireland responsible for representing and certifying psychiatrists, psychiatric training and providing high quality public information about mental health problems."

This isn't going to be a study that will be easy to ignore.

There are record linkage studies associating abortion with a significantly higher suicide rate compared to all women, pregnant woman, and women who have miscarried. Elliot institute has links as well as its own articles. http://www.afterabortion.info/PAR/V8/n2/finland.html

If a woman is unstable or depressed or bipolar etc before she ever got pregnant then pregnancy isnt going to change things and neither is a birth or an abortion. If a woman is mentally ill and/or emotionally unstable is she really a good candidate for trying to take care of a child? The long term, wide spread ramifications of an unstable mentally ill woman having children is a lot greater than the ramifications of her having an abortion. I feel sympathy for any woman who has an abortion and regrets it. But 'abortion shouldnt be legal because the woman might regret it later on' is an irrational argument. I also feel sorry for the woman who has a child and realizes it was a mistake and whether or not antichoicers want to admit it, that DOES happen. But Im not going to try to pretend women should be forced to undergo counseling and therapy before she's allowed to continue a pregnancy and give birth.

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/members/currentissues/mentalhealthandabortion.aspx

This is the actual statement from the Royal College of Psychiatrists web page - its significantly different from what was posted in the article and states that:
*The specific issue of whether or not induced abortion has harmful effects on women’s mental health remains to be fully resolved. The current research evidence base is inconclusive – some studies indicate no evidence of harm, whilst other studies identify a range of mental disorders following abortion.*

It also addresses gestation as well as abortion

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Position Statement on Women’s Mental Health in Relation to Induced Abortion
14th March, 2008
In the Government Response to the Report from the House of Commons Science and Technology Committee on the Scientific Developments Relating to the Abortion Act 1967, the following request was made:

“In view of the controversy on the risk to mental health of induced abortion we recommend that the Royal College of Psychiatrists update their 1994 report on this issue”

The College has undertaken a literature review to inform the following position statement, which includes the recommendation that a full systematic review around abortion and mental health is required.

The Royal College of Psychiatrists is concerned to ensure that women’s mental health is protected whether they seek abortion or continue with a pregnancy.

Mental disorders can occur for some woman during pregnancy and after birth.

The specific issue of whether or not induced abortion has harmful effects on women’s mental health remains to be fully resolved. The current research evidence base is inconclusive – some studies indicate no evidence of harm, whilst other studies identify a range of mental disorders following abortion.

Women with pre-existing psychiatric disorders who continue with their pregnancy, as well as those with psychiatric disorders who undergo abortion, will need appropriate support and care. Liaison between services, and, where relevant, with carers and advocates, is advisable.

Healthcare professionals who assess or refer women who are requesting an abortion should assess for mental disorder and for risk factors that may be associated with its subsequent development. If a mental disorder or risk factors are identified, there should be a clearly identified care pathway whereby the mental health needs of the woman and her significant others may be met.

The Royal College of Psychiatrists recognises that good practice in relation to abortion will include informed consent. Consent cannot be informed without the provision of adequate and appropriate information regarding the possible risks and benefits to physical and mental health. This may require the updating of patient information leaflets approved by the relevant Royal Colleges, and education and training to relevant health care professionals, in order to develop a good practice pathway.

These difficult and complex issues should be addressed through additional systematic reviews led by the Royal College of Psychiatrists into the relationship between abortion and mental health. These reviews should consider whether there is evidence for psychiatric indications for abortion.

Further information on how the College came to this view.

Please dont try to pretend The Elliott Institute can be used as a valid reference. Reardon - whose 'degree' comes from a diploma mill that doesnt even require coursework - is the same person who tried to say diagnosis of bipolar disorder and schitzophrenia was evidence of mental illness after an abortion when obviously those conditions existed before the woman was ever pregnant, and tried to use required pre abortion counseling as part of his 'proof' that women who had abortions made more use of mental health care than women who gave birth. The man has no professional credibility and is a laughingstock.

It would be a good thing to counsel mother about the insanity of choosing abortion.

Posted by: truthseeker at March 18, 2008 12:19 AM
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How about the insanity of having a child you dont want and cannot take care of?

How about the insanity of having a child you dont want and cannot take care of?

Posted by: TexasRed at March 18, 2008 11:14 AM

How about adoption. There are thousands of parents waiting to adopt.

How about the insanity of having a child you dont want and cannot take care of?

Posted by: TexasRed at March 18, 2008 11:14 AM

How about the insanity of actually choosing NOT to have sex and NOT to make UNWANTED babies that you don't want to take care of????

How about the insanity of actually choosing NOT to have sex and NOT to make UNWANTED babies that you don't want to take care of????
Posted by: heather at March 18, 2008 12:14 PM

That's just crazy talk, Heather.

why?

Hal, here's crazy talk for ya.... have sex, make babies, kill babies, have sex, make babies, kill babies.

How about the insanity of having a child you dont want and cannot take care of?

Posted by: TexasRed at March 18, 2008 11:14 AM

How about adoption. There are thousands of parents waiting to adopt.

Posted by: Sandy at March 18, 2008 12:04 PM
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What part of 'does not want to be pregnant' is too confusing for you to understand? I personally dont view having a child you dont want then turning it over to total strangers and just hoping for the best to be really sane or responsible.

How about the insanity of having a child you dont want and cannot take care of?

Posted by: TexasRed at March 18, 2008 11:14 AM

How about the insanity of actually choosing NOT to have sex and NOT to make UNWANTED babies that you don't want to take care of????

Posted by: heather at March 18, 2008 12:14 PM
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How about the insanity of insisting that sex is only for making babies and if you dont want to make babies then you shouldnt have sex? That attitude is irrational and ridiculous.

why?

Posted by: heather at March 18, 2008 12:27 PM
***********************
Insisting that sex is only for reproduction is irrational and absurd.

Hal, here's crazy talk for ya.... have sex, make babies, kill babies, have sex, make babies, kill babies.

Posted by: heather at March 18, 2008 12:52 PM
*****************************
Killing babies is illegal heather. Youre frothing at the mouth again.

Why do you always mention that Nada Stotland is a lesbian?

"Insisting that sex is only for reproduction is irrational and absurd."

Right, that's what I was trying to say.

Texas Red, Abortion is killing babies.

What a load of govno. They have no control--no group of women who have been forced to give birth to unwanted babies, to see how THEIR mental health is affected.

heather said:
Hal, here's crazy talk for ya.... have sex, make babies, kill babies, have sex, make babies, kill babies.
Posted by: heather at March 18, 2008 12:52 PM
******

Heather,
The pro-aborts are willing to risk the chance of pregnancy even though they aren't ready for children. The fact is they go into sex with the intention of aorting and children. The pro-abort mentality is vile so a Christian will have difficulty understanding the "how" or the "why" cause we could almost never justify abortion, let alone put ourselves in a position where we plan on a knee raising tree to the abortion mill. Almost nobody would be "proud "of their abortions, that is except for SoMG, Hal and TexasRed.

Excuse the spelling errors in the previous post:
The pro-aborts are willing to risk the chance of pregnancy even though they aren't ready for children. The fact is they go into sex with the intention of aborting any children they may conceive. The pro-abort mentality is vile so a Christian will have difficulty understanding the "how" or the "why" cause we could almost never justify abortion, let alone put ourselves in a position where we plan on a knee raising tree to the abortion mill.

Texas Red, maybe you can analyze the actual studies rather than make an unsubstantiated claim about the person who accumulated the studies and reviewed them.
Tell us about Gissler's register linkage study in Finland, and the similar one done in California using the medicaid records. Both show an increased suicide rate associated with abortion, compared with pregnancy overall, and with live deliveries.

The advantage of these studies is that hard endpoints are collected and tabulated using cohorts of women treated for pregnancy. They're not surveys evaluating the feelings of selected participants, (the the type of data produced by the proabortion side.)

Maybe instead, you'll stay consistent with your current behavior and disparage the peer reviewers who approved the studies for publication in medical journals instead of addressing the data and conclusions.

Texas Red, Abortion is killing babies.

Posted by: heather at March 18, 2008 3:58 PM
************************
I dont agree. I dont agree anyone can rationally or intelligently say that oblivious nonviable is a 'baby'.

Texas Red, maybe you can analyze the actual studies rather than make an unsubstantiated claim about the person who accumulated the studies and reviewed them.
Tell us about Gissler's register linkage study in Finland, and the similar one done in California using the medicaid records. Both show an increased suicide rate associated with abortion, compared with pregnancy overall, and with live deliveries.

The advantage of these studies is that hard endpoints are collected and tabulated using cohorts of women treated for pregnancy. They're not surveys evaluating the feelings of selected participants, (the the type of data produced by the proabortion side.)

Maybe instead, you'll stay consistent with your current behavior and disparage the peer reviewers who approved the studies for publication in medical journals instead of addressing the data and conclusions.

Posted by: kb at March 19, 2008 7:05 AM
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KB - for starters the study in Finland didnt take into consideration a history of depression or previous attempts at suicide. And Finland has one of the highest incidences of suicide in the world. That negates the whole study.

The California study did NOT address suicide - it addressed women on public assistance who took advantage of mental health care services and it also used required pre abortion counseling in tabulating its totals.

Just how many Elliot Institute studies make their way into credible professional journals?

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